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== Welcomes ==
Hello there Cameron, [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|welcome]] to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to [[Wikipedia:wikipedians|stay]]. If you ever need editing help visit [[Wikipedia:How does one edit a page]] and experiment at [[Wikipedia:Sandbox]]. If you need pointers on how we title pages visit [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions]] or how to format them visit our [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|manual of style]]. If you have any other questions about the project then check out [[Wikipedia:Help]] or add a question to the [[wikipedia:Village pump|Village pump]]. BTW, nice work on [[Telemarketing]]. There is a message for you at [[Talk:Caller]]. Cheers! --[[user:maveric149|maveric149]]

Cheers Cameron - welcome. Nice to have another kiwi around the place. 
[[user:hawthorn|hawthorn]]

== Culture of New Zealand ==
Hi Cameron. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop by the [[Culture of New Zealand]] article you started earlier today and check that the copyediting I did just now has not made it say something you didn't intend it to say. I ''hope'' that I've just made your original thoughts a little clearer, not changed them - a grand total of two weeks in the South Island 20-odd years ago does not qualify me as an expert on NZ culture. (Except for DB Brown - I got to know DB Brown rather well!) [[User:Tannin|Tannin]]

Logs in eye & etc. - yes, a good point, and one that applies in equal measure to me - having done the [[Culture of Australia]] thing a week or so ago, I fully appreciate how difficult they are to write! [[User:Tannin|Tannin]]

:Hi, I like your article on Culture in NZ, a very challenging subject.  I added another aspect to the section on NZ Attitudes but am not really sure if it is appropriate, what do you think, it might be a bit too much POV?  [[User:Ping|Ping]] 07:41 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)
::Re [[Culture of New Zealand]] - Cultural Cringe - I think it makes a good addition to the topic. Concerning NPOV - much of the Culture area is opinion and it is very hard to obtain a completely NPOV - I think some opinion and humour is necessary, provided it is not too excessive. If anyone else disagrees thy can always change it! - [[User:Cameron Dewe|kiwiinapanic]] 09:22 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)

== Eastbourne ==
How big is [[Eastbourne, New Zealand]]?
* Pop. 4600 est. - Updated the page.

== Fellowship of the Ring ==

My reasons in favor of an entry entitled [[The Fellowship of the Ring (movie)]] are listed on the talk page [[Talk:The Fellowship of the Ring (movie)]]. -- [[User:Modemac|Modemac]]

I don't really care which way it goes... I made the changes I did, because a parallel set of articles were already being developed already under the "... (movie)" names (which seems to be the usual standard here for movies that might be confused with books). I just tried to make thing consistant. I made the [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]] a disambiguation page because I thought it should ''definitely'' stay, but '''does''' apply to both the book and the movie. But as far as I am concerned... do whatever you want... just make sure it is ''consistant'' everywhere (it is a lot of paqes to visit and change, I know! I'm not even sure I found them all myself...). -- [[User:RTC|RTC]] 17:07 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)

== Maori Wars ==

Hi Cameron, thanks for your help with the Tauranga Campaign.   I have been keeping a full bibliography on the end of the "mother article", the Maori Wars.    Most of the Tauranga campaign comes from Bellich and Maxwell, hopefully later on I will be able to go through other accounts and broaden the perspective somewhat, that is the advantage of constant editing.     I will look at the List of Battles later on also.
Ping [[User:Ping|Ping]] 07:58 25 Jun 2003 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Dear Cameron:
Hi, I always do the articles I start based on careful researching. After Ive researched, I write what I have found out with my research. I cannot add or substract from what I have found out, because then the article would not be historically correct, and probably also subject to a point of view discussion. If I say a singer had a crush on the wife of another singer , without them admmitting it or without any credible info on how it happened or anything, that would be adding to the subject. This is one of the biggest challenges wikipedians face: While you can not, of course, copy someone else's article and put it here because its not legal, at the same time, we can only write based on what we have found out about the individual or history.

I found out in a site that some Robert Scott made flying history, and I included it, based on what I found in that place, but not copying what I found in that place. Whether if its that Robert Scott or the one you sent me, I dont know. But looking at the one you sent me, his biography says nothing of being a pilot.

Thanks for rweading the article, and [[God]] bless you!

Sincerely yours,
''[[User:AntonioMartin|Antonio Ginger-Ale Martin]]''

== Maori Articles ==
You know, the links off the Maori pages, where Maori is spelled using these special chars like so [[M&#257;ori]]   doesnt work for my browser. does it work for yours ? although i normally use mozilla, im using IE at the moment. reply here  10:21, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

:The special characters are known as [[Macron (diacritic)|macron]]s.  These are horizontal bars above the vowels a, e ,i, o, and u.  See [[Maori language]] for more information about ''macrons'' in ''maori''.  These characters work for me in my browser and I am using Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 2. You may need to download a special character set to get macrons to work.

:In my opinion, macrons should '''not''' be used in the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/ english Wikipedia]] because of the very problem you are experiencing.  It also screws up text searches.  Please feel free to raise this problem on the [[Talk:Maori|talk page]] of any and every [[Maori]] article that you encounter in Wikipedia.  Edit the pages to remove macrons if you cannot read them.   Macrons should '''only''' be used in a maori language website, such as the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/ Maori Language Wikipedia]], or web page where both Maori and English are used. --- [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] 10:44, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hello and kia ora! I think we corresponded briefly a while ago. Thanks for your contribution to "[[Maori language]]" - are you aware that there is now some real content (ie articles) on the [http://mi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hau_K%C4%81inga Maori Wikipedia]? I'd love to see a few more contributors. One doesn't need to speak Maori to contribute. But if you have any acquaintances who speak it or are studying it, please let them know. - [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 07:56, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

== Article Licensing ==

Hi, I've [[User:rambot#Free the Rambot Articles project|started a drive]] to get users to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the [[Creative Commons]] Attribution-Share Alike  (''CC-by-sa'') v1.0 and v2.0 [[Creative Commons License|License]]s or into the [[public domain]] if they prefer.  The ''CC-by-sa'' license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the [[GFDL]], but it allows '''other projects''', such as [[WikiTravel]], to use our articles.  Since you are among the [[Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits|top 1000]] Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at ''minimum'' those on the geographic articles.  Over 90% of people asked have agreed.  For More Information:
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: Done -- [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] 04:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

== Ride theory ==

I removed some material you added to [[Ride theory]] because I believe the quoted source may have been engaged in a hoax or satire:
:''[[Trevor Blake]], publisher of obscure [[OVO Magazine]], claims an article by [[Ignatz Topo]], (or [[Ignatz Topolino]]), titled ''The Psychogeography of Disneyland: Exerpts and Analysis of Formulary for a New Urbanism'' is one of the first published examples of ''Ride Theory''. [http://wsmf.org/archives/ovo/ovo_web/site/about4.html], [http://wsmf.org/archives/ovo/ovo_pdf/ovo013.pdf](40MB download) The article presents an October 1953 Situationalist text about an (unidentified) tourist city that appears to be a parallel description of Disneyland. Even though at that time the amusement park was still only on a (secret) drawing board in Disney studios. Later examples appeared in the ''Journal of Ride Theory'' published by [[Dan Howland]].''
"Ignatz Topo" or "Ignatz Topolino" sounds like a fake name in that "topo" is the Italian word for "mouse", "Topolino" is the Italian name for [[Mickey Mouse]], and Ignatz was the mouse character in the comic strip [[Krazy Kat]]. Furthermore, the two cited links in this paragraph do not go to any page that contains the information described here.  --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

:Thank you for the advice. However, you should explain yourself on the [[Talk:Ride theory|Ride theory talk page]]. While I agree that the quoted source is satire, I disagree that my comments are inaccurate. Consequently I intend to revert the edit, at least until it is discussed on the talk page. -- [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] 08:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

== Murder v. Homicide ==
;I asked [[User:Taco325i|Taco325i]] : ''From [[Talk:Murder|your comments on Murder]] and [[User:Taco325i/to do|your to-do list]], you appear to be on a crusade to replace [[Murder]] with [[Homicide]]. I think you are wrong to hold such a position. [[User talk:Taco325i/to do|Please explain]] why you believe all references to ''murder'' should be replaced with ''homicide'', before making any changes. In my opinion there are very important differences between murder and homicide that means the two terms should be kept separate. So I think the first two bullets on [[User:Taco325i/to do|your to-do list]] are misguided. One effect of this is that moving [[List of countries by murder rate]] to [[List of countries by homicide rate]] has invalidated the statistics, because the definitions of ''murder'' and ''homicide'' are different. -- [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] 13:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)''

I think we're in agreement, but just not realizing it.  Murder and Homicide have distinct definitions.  Murder is a kind of homicide, but homicide is not murder.  My crusade is to ensure the correct use of the word "murder", because in everyday language we often use murder to describe all kinds of killings.  For example, no jurisdiction in the US publishes "murder statistics" or "murder rates", though we often call it that.  The proper term would be homicide rates.  -[[User:Taco325i|Taco325i]] 19:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:I understand that the FBI Uniform Crime Reports actually publish statistics for ''Murder and non-negligent manslaughter'' (see http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/reports/2002/intl-comparisons-crime/section-5.html ), so using homicide is also inaccurate, as accidental homicides, such as motor vehicle accidents are excluded from the statistics. Perhaps the term ''criminal homicide'' (rate) is closer. I agree with you wanting to use the precise term, but your mission seems to have picked up a few followers who do not understand your intent, as they have tried to change '''ALL''' references to murder, when sometimes it '''is''' the applicable term. Perhaps you need to modify your mission slightly to only change ''inappropriate'' uses of the word ''murder''. -- [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] 11:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== New Zealand Government ==

I am thinking about changing [[New Zealand Government]] to a new article. (It is a redirect.) 
;'''New Zealand Government''' : ''New Zealand Government'' is a brand of the [[State Services Commission]]. It is part of the All-of-Government brand initiative. (See http://www.ssc.govt.nz/govt-brand)

:I made that note at 21:46(UTC) on 8 July 2007 and I am still thinking about it - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 23:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

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==[[Rural]]==
I notice that while [[urban]] is a disambiguation page, [[rural]] redirects to [[rural area]]. I wonder why? So intend to [[Talk:Rural|discuss this issue]]. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 23:14, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

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== Brooks Bros ==

Hi Cameron! I noticed that you did some sorting on the "crime" template here: [[Talk:Brooks Brothers riot]]. This was the first time I noticed that someone had placed the crime template on that talk page. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brooks_Brothers_riot&diff=prev&oldid=987673294 Here's that diff]. I want to say that this template probably doesn't actually belong on that talk page at all and I will open up that conversation over on that talk page. But no offense to your edit! [[User:Novellasyes|Novellasyes]] ([[User talk:Novellasyes|talk]]) 15:24, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

== [[First Four Ships]] Copyvio ==

Hi, I saw that you added the potential copyright violation tag to [[First Four Ships]] back in January. Do you know what sources you think you found the copyvio from? I'm checking in-article sources, but nothing's coming up since there was no source listed for me to use. Thanks in advance, [[User:Sennecaster|Sennecaster]] ([[User talk:Sennecaster|talk]]) 03:18, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Sennecaster}}: In the second general reference at the bottom of the article, at this [https://web.archive.org/web/20080305104543/http://archived.ccc.govt.nz/sites/tp2000/index_bak.asp?CurrentPage=http%3A%2F%2Farchived.ccc.govt.nz%2Fsites%2Ftp2000%2Fgroups%2Fheritage%2F150th_celebrations%2Foverview.htm] Wayback machine url. Around the the sixth paragraph down, which starts "''July 1849 ...''", you will find the wording I tagged as a copyright violation in about the third or fourth sentence. I had tagged it as a reminder and intended to go back and fix it when I found a better source but I haven't discovered one, yet. I didn't remove it at the time because the page was only available in the archive, not on the main City Council website. I now realise the cleanup tag does not have a provision to identify the copyright source material. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 07:28, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks for your help! I went and preemptively removed it regardless and left a note on the talk page. I do have to say in jest, New Zealand copyright law is far easier than my native one! [[User:Sennecaster|Sennecaster]] ([[User talk:Sennecaster|talk]]) 10:43, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

== Franc affair ==

In what way does the [[Franc affair]] article fail coverage and accuracy as well as referencing?--[[User:Catlemur|Catlemur]] ([[User talk:Catlemur|talk]]) 09:22, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
:I haven't check those aspects of the article, so haven't assessed them yet. I couldn't get past the lead without deciding it needs improving. The lead does not seem to be an appropriate summary of the article, in any case, so fails on both counts because while the lead section has no references, which is OK, it says something that appears inconsistent with the rest of the article, which is not OK. Please continue the discussion on the [[Talk:Franc affair|talk page]]. Get the lead right and I might change my mind. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 10:02, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

== Mohammed Shami ==

I asked the page [[Mohammed Shami]] to promote it to B class in a particular section. You have given me a long reply in the talk page. At first thank you. But I, being a new user, don't know how and where to change. I'll be glad if you kindly assist me in this context. Note that, the aforementioned article is already rated A class in two sections and GA class in the 'WikiProject Biography / Sports and Games' section.
: I think those ratings are misleading because if you examine the page history you will see that the article has not been through the proper independent peer review process by an independent reviewer. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 11:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I am trying to elaborate the article as much as I can. I'll be glad if you help and assist me in this context. Can you give me any suggestions about how to improve  the article we are talking about to promote it?

== Serial killer task force ==

I'm worried that you seem to have been adding this to various articles that have nothing to do with serial killing. The article [[serial killer]] says "A serial killer is typically a person who murders three or more people, usually in service of abnormal psychological gratification, with the murders taking place over more than a month and including a significant period of time between them." One off incidents at a single location, no matter how many people they kill, are not serial killings. Also, terrorist incidents where the motive was political or religious are not normally defined as serial killings. Bearing this in mind, could you revert these edits or I will have to do it myself.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 12:18, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{Reply to|ianmacm}} I assume you are talking about the changes I made to [[Talk:Omagh bombing]] and similar articles. All these articles were already members of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography/Serial Killer task force|WikiProject Serial Killer task force]] and appeared in the [https://wp1.openzim.org/#/project/Serial_killer-related/articles counts] in the [[User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Serial killer-related|assessment table]]. If you look at the changes I made to [[Talk:Omagh bombing]] you will see that I only gave the article an importance assessment (of ''Low''). The article was already assigned to the [[WP:SKILLER|Serial Killer task force]] and had been since 2018. The scope of the WikiProject is "''... to update and maintain all articles relating to '''serial killers''', '''mass murderers''', and '''spree killers'''. This includes all topics from criminal biographies to profiling and apprehension techniques.''" This is a somewhat broader definition that the name of the task force would suggest. This puzzled me too, initially. Personally, I think the task force name is misleading and it probably should be thought of as the Multi-Murder task force. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 21:30, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

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Should [[Talk:Death_of_Michelle_Go#Pushed_to_her_death]] use the phrase "one is one is"? --[[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 15:52, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
:{{Reply to|Jax 0677}} Oops! My mistake, I have repeated using "one is". I must have been moving some text around in preview and duplicated the words. I have corrected and clarified my comments. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 22:04, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

== Small note ==

Glad we had an amicable discussion at [[Talk:Dream/Killer]]! I wanted to share a small note. While I recognize that you were bold in making the move and finalizing the issue, I think we could have let the relatively-new editor make the move themselves and learn from that. (Checking their move log, they have never moved anything before, so it could have been a good opportunity.) Obviously the matter is past now, but I had wanted to recommend in the future to let newer editors make changes themselves (and to encourage them whenever possible). [[User:Erik|Erik]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Erik|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 14:42, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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== Example for bare URL==

Hello. Thank you for the recent edit on [[Amhara genocide]] article. Could you please share an example for the bare URL? (newbie here:)). I started making changes and got a little confused. [[User:Petra0922|Petra0922]] ([[User talk:Petra0922|talk]]) 12:16, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
:{{Reply to|Petra0922}} Have a read of [[Wikipedia:Bare URLs]] to understand what I am talking about. For the [[Amhara genocide]] article, a bare URL would look like either [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amhara_genocide] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amhara_genocide . 
: Essentially a bare URL is the website page address (or Uniform Resource Locator = URL) that appears in your web browser address, without any descriptive text for the website link or immediately next to it. Some citation styles permit a bare URL to appear in the citation, but the surrounding text needs to describes the URL. Other citation styles link the title of a web page using a hidden or hyperlinked URL, which you only see when you click on or hover over the linked hyper-text. Search engines often use the linked text to derive their search terms, so you can find a page when you search for a web page. The problem is that a URL can be changed or may disappear, so if you have no idea what the URL referred to it can be difficult to find a replacement or alternative, even in an internet archive. If that happens your citations become useless, or dead. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 12:44, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
::I see. So helpful! You may have seen my other response about merging and extra texts on the [[Amhara genocide]] talk page. I would appreciate any suggestion, to ideally combine extra texts with  Citation style 1. Thank you! [[User:Petra0922|Petra0922]] ([[User talk:Petra0922|talk]]) 13:13, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

== Checking with for Citation quality  ==

I am here in case you havent seen the note I added in my talk page. You had recommendations related to Citation styles. I have worked through the citation style and clean up, and wanted to check if the quality of the article is reasonable enough to adjust the rating. Through this process, I have been appreciating your feedback.  I believe, it  helped me to become a better editor and helped improving the article. Please let me know if there is any issue or improving ideas for this [[Amhara genocide]] article. Thank you. [[User:Petra0922|Petra0922]] ([[User talk:Petra0922|talk]]) 20:16, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
:{{Reply to|Petra0922}} I have updated the B-class checklist for the [[Amhara genocide]] article. I noticed a couple of small issues with [[Wikipedia:External links|external links]] in the body text, which is not recommended (per [[WP:ELPOINTS]]), so I have added in-line cleanup tags. Keep up the good work. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 12:43, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
::{{Reply to|Cameron Dewe}} Thank you so much! This is great news. I now removed the external links (converted them to inline reference). Please let me know if you see any issue.  
::I noticed the rating still shows "C". I am assuming it takes some time to update. I just want to confirm if bugs are causing that (?). Thank you again, Cameroon for you help- your approach of helping someone to develop important skills is quite inspiring. I appreciate it:) [[User:Petra0922|Petra0922]] ([[User talk:Petra0922|talk]]) 14:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
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== "lang" versus "Romanized script-title" ==

Hello. I noticed that the "lang" works better for shorter foreign (Amharic) terms but it was giving me error messages for longer video titles. The romanized script-title seems to work better for longer foreign titles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Citation_Style_documentation/title. The romanized titles are italicized per this guideline. Just checking if there other tools that works for both short and long scripts. I am not sure if you have noticed, but I also fixed the external link issue. Thank you [[User:Petra0922|Petra0922]] ([[User talk:Petra0922|talk]]) 17:39, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
:{{Reply_to|Petra0922}} I haven't used the [[Template:Lang|Lang template]] a lot, but, quoting the documentation, "''The purpose of this template is to indicate that a span of text belongs to a particular language.''" I mentioned using that template in the context of isolated foreign words enclosed in brackets or parentheses in the text of an article, based on [[MOS:FOREIGNITALIC]] recommendations. I hadn't thought about using it with citations.  However, when you are dealing with citations, embedding templates in the text of the citation often doesn't work because you have templates within templates. To get around the problem you should use the advice given in the [[Template:Citation_Style_documentation|citation documentation]] for [[Template:Citation_Style_documentation/title|titles]]. That means you can provide the original title in the original script and language and an English translation. Part of the reason for this is that these template insert browser code that tells a web browser that some of the text is in a different language. This may mean a web browser has to switch to displaying different fonts to display the text concerned. For example: In my country we use a lot of {{lang|mi|Māori}} words that have macrons over vowels, often in the context of place names but also other concepts. These macrons are frequently omitted when a Maori word has been borrowed into New Zealand English and used in English text. The orthography and language is different but the word meaning or place has not changed. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 23:41, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
::"Templates within templates. I see now why  all those error messages were showing up. Somehow, even within the citations, the lang template seemed to work alright, if the foreign terms are really short. Thank you for sharing the link! I will check it out. 
::I like ("aroha") your example about  ''Māori'' words''.'' So beautiful.  Best, [[User:Petra0922|Petra0922]] ([[User talk:Petra0922|talk]]) 04:14, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

== About Indian Predator: The Butcher of Delhi ==

Hello there! I know you hav some misunderstanding under the title of the series. The series title Indian Predator The Butcher of Delhi is the official title from Netflix media center and their official website. The tag "The Butcher of Delhi" is not a part of the single episode but the whole 3 episodes revolves around the same story of one person Chandrkant Jha Serial Killer. The Butcher of Delhi is the title and the tag line of his story and the premise of the series. It's not like a anthology documentary which in every episode has different story. This series has nothing to do with that. Hope you understood. You can check the title of another netflix docu series named "House of Secrets: The Burari Deaths" which has 4 episodes where all episodes deals with the same story.
You can consult me for further details and misunderstanding on this topic. Good day:) [[User:Morgankarki|Morgankarki]] ([[User talk:Morgankarki|talk]]) 13:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:{{Reply to|Morgankarki}} Thank you for attempting to enlighten me about the [[Indian Predator: The Butcher of Delhi]] article. I previously viewed the Netflix website and had already concluded this was a single story told in 3 episodes, just as you have explained. I will continue this discussion on the article's [[Talk:Indian Predator: The Butcher of Delhi#About the Title Misunderstanding|talk page]], not here. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 09:42, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

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*[[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7D:F01A:7900:9C9A:5C02:6C41:29AC|2A02:C7D:F01A:7900:9C9A:5C02:6C41:29AC]] on 27 December from 08:45 to 09:52
Examining [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&end=&namespace=1&start=&tagfilter=&target=2A02%3AC7D%3A0%3A0%3A0%3A0%3A0%3A0%2F32&dir=prev&limit=500 contributions to talk pages from the whole CIDR range for 2A02:C7D:0:0:0:0:0:0/32] suggests this editing behaviour has been going on since 2015, at least. Additionally, contributions for the range [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&target=90.197.57.160%2F21&namespace=1&tagfilter=&start=2022-01-01&end=2022-12-31 90.197.56.0/21] appear to have started in April 2022. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 11:33, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

==Conflicting sources==
Hi [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]],
I'm reaching out as I would like to get some information regarding a conflicting source issue with [[Carly Simon]]'s birth date.  In the majority of google searches her birth date appears as June 25, 1945 yet her birth date in her article says June 15, 1943.  There is a talk page regarding this matter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Carly_Simon and I have addressed my concerns under the subheading "Request for comment: age".  The consensus says that her birth year is 1943 but their sources are not verifiable.  They list sources from Ansestry.com and Goodreads.com, neither of which lead to any verifiable content.  And, one source lists her birth certificate number without a source.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  
Thanks so much [[User:Landplane123|Landplane123]] ([[User talk:Landplane123|talk]]) 21:17, 21 June 2023 (UTC)landplane321

:@[[User:Landplane123|Landplane123]]: I have responded at [[Talk:Carly Simon|the article's talk page]]. I can find at least [https://calendar.songfacts.com/browse/born-this-day/june/25/ one source that gives both dates] and explains which is supported by birth records. And this source came from the article history. To me, both dates are [[WP:V|verifiable]], but for different reasons. Why can't Carly Simon have two birth dates, if she want to? - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 10:48, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you for your feedback.  [[User:Landplane123|Landplane123]] ([[User talk:Landplane123|talk]]) 18:47, 23 June 2023 (UTC)landplane321

== Re: 1984 Dallas nightclub shooting ==

Hi! Thank you for helping me by giving criticism of my article. I agree with your criticisms and will be fixing them as soon as possible. I'd like to ask  your advice on how to fix a specific issue you pointed out, though.

Belachheb died October 19th, 2017. Considering that Belachheb is a fairly obscure case even in Dallas, no news reported it. The source on him being dead is [https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/197082413/abdelkrim-belachheb this]. While normally I would consider this website an unreliable source considering it can be added to by anybody, the specific uploader of the image of his gravestone and date of death is actually [[Gary Lavergne]], who probably knows more about Belachheb than anyone else and was the writer of the book that a large portion of the article uses as a source, so I consider it a reliable indication that he is dead. What am I supposed to do in this scenario? Am I supposed to just pretend he's not dead because I don't have any sources for it that are in the news? [[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]] ([[User talk:PARAKANYAA|talk]]) 03:13, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]]: I think this question is best posed on the [[Talk:1984 Dallas nightclub shooting|article's talk page]]. I will copy it there, so that the editor community can respond to it. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 21:12, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

== Speedy deletion nomination of Deaths of the Dickason Children ==

Hello Cameron Dewe,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged [[Deaths of the Dickason Children]] for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a [[Wikipedia:Namespace|namespace]] that's not for articles.

If you don't want Deaths of the Dickason Children to be deleted, you can <span class="plainlinks">'''[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title={{urlencode:Talk:Deaths of the Dickason Children}}&action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:Hangon_preload&preloadtitle=This+page+should+not+be+speedy+deleted+because...+ contest this deletion]'''</span>, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on [[User_talk:DreamRimmer|my talk page]] if you have questions. Thanks!

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:@[[User:DreamRimmer|DreamRimmer]]: Thanks for letting me know. I expected this to happen. The applicable article has been [[WP:DRAFTIFY|draftified]] and should remain so until the relevant case returns a verdict. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 04:48, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

== Re: Evaluation of Stochastic terrorism page ==

I am wondering why an article that is one month old and that already has a warning that it may require clean-up because it may be incomplete has been evaluated. This doesn't seem like a positive contribution. 

SG [[User:Schrodinger&#39;s gateau|Schrodinger&#39;s gateau]] ([[User talk:Schrodinger&#39;s gateau|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Schrodinger's gateau|Schrodinger's gateau]]: Just because an article like [[stochastic terrorism]] requires clean-up should not inhibit it being [[WP:ASSESS|assessed]]. If one reads the assessment criteria, those even mention that articles may have significant clean-up issues while being assessed. Clean-up is an assessment factor to consider and should be taken into account when assessing the quality of an article. Assessment is ongoing as an article is edited and can be reviewed and changed at any time by any user. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 07:23, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
:[[User:Schrodinger's gateau|@Schrodinger's gateau]] hustle [[Special:Contributions/2603:8000:1D00:ED00:2507:FA53:8CEB:51E3|2603:8000:1D00:ED00:2507:FA53:8CEB:51E3]] ([[User talk:2603:8000:1D00:ED00:2507:FA53:8CEB:51E3|talk]]) 07:53, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
::And your message to me is? .... - 08:11, 17 September 2023 (UTC) [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 08:11, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
:::Hi Cameron:
:::I didn't send a message.  What do you think this means?  Is my account compromised?
:::SG [[User:Schrodinger&#39;s gateau|Schrodinger&#39;s gateau]] ([[User talk:Schrodinger&#39;s gateau|talk]]) 19:53, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
:::It seems like a comment that mentions me. Ok, I think I understand the situation. [[User:Schrodinger&#39;s gateau|Schrodinger&#39;s gateau]] ([[User talk:Schrodinger&#39;s gateau|talk]]) 20:03, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
== Nomination of [[:Coal in New Zealand]] for deletion ==
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== RfC ==

Just a heads up, although maybe you noticed, but your last comment to me there was to a reply I made to MeltingDistrict, not you. The number of cases being something they mentioned. Thanks for the input. I disagree that NPOV doesn't come into it, but I'll leave it there rather than bludgeon the discussion. Cheers. [[User:Sirfurboy|Sirfurboy🏄]] ([[User talk:Sirfurboy|talk]]) 09:09, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Sirfurboy|Sirfurboy]]: Sorry, I suspect our replies crossed in the mail. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 09:15, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

== Invitation to an in-person meetup in Mohua / Golden Bay ==

[[File:Wikimedia-Meetup-GoldenBay-Mohua-v2 05.jpg|thumb|400px|[[Golden Bay Air]] are holding some seats for us until 21 November]]
Thinking about your summer break? Think about joining other Wikipedians and Wikimedians in [[Golden Bay / Mohua]]! Details are on the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Mohua_/_Golden_Bay|meetup page]]. There's heaps of interesting stuff to work on e.g. the oldest extant waka or New Zealand's oldest ongoing legal case. Or you may spend your time taking photos and then upload them.

Golden Bay is hard to get to and [[Golden Bay Air|the airline]] flying into [[Tākaka Aerodrome|Tākaka]] uses small planes, so we are holding some seats from and to [[Wellington Airport|Wellington]] '''and''' we are offering attendees a $200 travel subsidy to help with costs. 

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Hi, you introduced an error [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ccano_massacre&curid=75406247&diff=1186870980&oldid=1186860248 here], the article doesn't deal with serial killers. Just letting you know since I'm guessing you're making these edits in a semi-automated way. Thanks, [[User:Prezbo|Prezbo]] ([[User talk:Prezbo|talk]]) 13:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Prezbo|Prezbo]]: This is not a mistake. The article is within the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography/Serial Killer task force#Scope|scope of the task force]], and if you follow the task force link you will see the full scope explained. Also all edits I currently make are totally human decisions, with no automated assistance. Yes, I personally decided the ''serialkiller'' attributes needed to be added, my mistake was adding an incorrect edit summary. But thanks for letting me know how you have interpreted the attribute name and on flagging articles with the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography/Serial Killer task force|Serial Killer task force]] attributes. Clearly you have not realized that the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography/Serial Killer task force#Scope|scope of the task force]] includes [[Mass murder]] and "''... if the article is focused primarily on the event and not the perpetrator it is still in the scope.'' Perhaps an explanation on [[Talk:Ccano massacre]] is needed, as the name of the task force attributes are somewhat misleading. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 07:13, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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== Could you please take a look?  ==

Good evening. Sorry to trouble you out of the blue like this, but I've seen you are a crime editor God here so I think you might be the person to help with this, if you could. Over at [[Lucy Letby]], two editors who to me seem rather hellbent on portraying her as somehow contentiously convicted are insistent that the article shouldn't state that she is guilty or a killer(!), and should instead state straight away that she is appealing her conviction, since we should "avoid stating seriously contested assertions as facts". I'm a bit bemused - who says it is a 'seriously contested assertion'? Wouldn't it be editorialising to try and remove any suggestion that she is guilty? The relevant talk page discussion is here: [[Talk:Lucy Letby#Lucy Letby Introduction - Suggested edit]]. Surley, it is "innocent, ''until proven guilty''", and now she has been convicted it is perfectly compliant with [[WP:BLP]] to say she is a murderer? I'd be grateful if you could take a look. [[Special:Contributions/109.144.215.41|109.144.215.41]] ([[User talk:109.144.215.41|talk]]) 18:15, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

:I think this is a perfectly reasonable discussion of editors trying to find the most appropriate wording for an article lead section. What these editors are trying to do is avoid [[MOS:EDITORIAL|editorializing]] about the subject of this article. To put this in perspective, I think that [[MOS:LABEL|labelling]] [[Lucy Letby]] as a [[serial killer]] or [[murderer]] or saying that she '''is''', or '''is not''', [[guilty]] is a form of editorializing, because, strictly, that is applying the editor's opinion to the status of a person, not an expression of the facts of the case. While the verdict of the court is that Letby has been found guilty of the murder of seven infants and been convicted on those charges, interpreting [[WP:NPOV]] (strictly) requires someone to express an opinion that she is a [[murderer]] or [[serial killer]], as those are actually contentious labels that need proof such an opinion has been rendered. Ideally, that requires a [[WP:CITE|source to be cited]] for giving that opinion. The issue with this article appears to be that the primary sources reporting the case do not give that opinion.
:The issue about being "innocent, ''until proven guilty''" is considered at [[WP:SUSPECT]], as well as at [[WP:PERPETRATOR]], which states that: "''A [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#People accused of crime|living person accused of a crime]] is presumed '''not guilty''' unless and until the contrary is decided by a court of law. '''Editors must give serious consideration to ''not'' creating an article on an alleged perpetrator when no conviction is yet secured'''''". This is to protect the [[right to a fair trial]] and, I think, outweighs simple [[WP:BLP]] considerations, as this is intended to [[WP:HARM|avoid harm]], which is a higher social responsibility consideration for any Wikipedia article. Were this applied strictly, there would not be an article about [[Lucy Letby]] until after her conviction and her appeal were both settled. 
:Please remember [[WP:PILLARS|Wikipedia is]] an [[WP:WIAE|encyclopedia]] and these editors are [[WP:BUILDWP|building it]] and trying to achieve a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] about what the article should say, as the article is still a [[WP:WIP|work in progress]]. 
:As a [[WP:READER|reader]], and if you think differently, you are still welcome to comment on the [[Talk:Lucy Letby|article talk page]] and explain how you think the article can be further improved. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 22:43, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

== Re: redundancy in assessment on talk pages ==

While I personally have no issue with you doing this, it seems that the intent going forward is for the ability to add class assessments to the project banners individually to be [[User talk:Evad37/rater.js#Move article quality rating into banner shell|removed for projects that use the project-independent system]], see also [[Template talk:WikiProject banner shell#Update 2|here]] (ie most of them, including Crime) so I was just warning you of that so it doesn't end up a nasty surprise in the future. 

Thank you for all your work in assessing articles btw! [[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]] ([[User talk:PARAKANYAA|talk]]) 05:08, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]]: Thanks for the heads-up. I was wondering how long such a change was going to take. My argument is I currently do what the documentation says, and will keep doing so until it doesn't work any more. At present the documentation says put the class rating in any and all WikiProject banners, including in the banner shell. If it only needs to go into the banner shell then, so be it. I will wait until somebody updates the documentation or notice a robot removing the rating from everything else and leave the rating in the banner shell only. My current thinking is that this approach is is within the guidelines. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 10:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

== Refimprove tag ==

Regarding the refimprove tag on [[Fernanda Farias de Albuquerque]], is there something specific in the content which isn't backed up by the references? I have tried to make sure everything is backed up by the sources and that enough are used, but I'm aware that as a non-Portuguese and non-Italian speaker I am limited somewhat. Thank you for your help! {{(-:}} [[User:GnocchiFan|GnocchiFan]] ([[User talk:GnocchiFan|talk]]) 11:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:GnocchiFan|GnocchiFan]]: I will explain myself in more detail on the [[Talk:Fernanda Farias de Albuquerque|article's talk page]]. I, too, cannot speak nor read either Portuguese or Italian, but with the help of Google translate, I can read an English translation of the Wikipedia articles in both [[pt:Fernanda Farias de Albuquerque|Portuguese]] and [[it:Fernanda Farias De Albuquerque|Italian]], and can also see those articles cite different sources, depending on the language used. With few English sources to draw upon, the foreign language sources from both articles can be used to improve upon the English article. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 05:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[:Parlay Starr]] for deletion ==
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== Removal of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Law Enforcement]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Law]] from [[Operation Torpedo]] ==

@[[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]]
Reading the scope for articles that should be included and ranked within the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Law Enforcement#Scope|Wikproject Law enforcement#Scope]], I strongly believe that Operation Torpedo meets the requires for inclusion.

Wikiproject Law Enforcement Inclusion: Topics directly related to policing and law enforcement, including types of police, specialized roles, organisations, institutions, departments, agencies, uniforms and ranks, crime science theory and research, '''investigative techniques''' and procedures, tools, equipment and assets used, services provided, related statistics, governance, empowering legislation and administration, '''issues and controversies''', '''history''', pioneers and notable individuals. Offender rehabilitation, Victim support, Police and law enforcement employee related education, sports, recreation, off-duty activities and involvement in community service. Miscellaneous policing related topics.

Wikiproject law inclusion: aimed at creating a greater consistency among the law-related articles. Key areas of concern include consistency in defining concepts across multiple jurisdictions and proper categorization of articles.


The article [[Operation Torpedo]] represents one of the first operations to use a NIT, and also represents a significant redaction or sealing of documents to preclude the public from overseeing and understanding the methods that were used.  This operation was one of the first operations that authorized the government to spend two weeks distributing child pornography on the internet.  There are still significant legal controversies arising from this case and cases like it, whereby the U.S. government and other goverment's receive a lead/tip from a foreign government without submitting the method the tip/lead was obtained to the public for audit, or judicial review.  

As there were a great number of motions and appeals that occurred arguing questions of law during the prosecution of the defendants that were alleged to have accessed the alleged contraband websites, this qualifies for the Wiki Law project as well.[[User:Jiwhit01|eximo]] ([[User talk:Jiwhit01|talk]]) 22:39, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
:I am discussing this on the article's [[Talk:Operation Torpedo#Justification for being part of the Wikiproject Law and Wikiproject Law Enforcement|talk page]] - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 01:25, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

==Notice==
Hello, Cameron,

I was just reviewing [[Promoting Resilience and Efficiency in Preparing for Attacks and Responding to Emergencies Act of 2017]] which has been PROD'd and noticed that you posted lengthy comments on the article talk page. This article can be restored if you make a request at [[WP:REFUND]] if you would like to work on the content of the article. You can see the justification for the PROD in the deletion notice. If you have changed your mind about the importance of this subject than no further action needs to be taken, I just thought I'd let you know. Most PROD'd articles are years old and have no talk page activity so this one stood out. Thank you. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 01:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks for letting me know, @[[User:Liz|Liz]]! If I remember correctly, this was one of a number of items of proposed US legislation known as the "''Prepare Act''". My comments were largely devoted at explaining the article's deficiencies and how the article might be improved. Clearly, nobody felt the need to do so and, since it is failed US legislation, I don't feel the need to resurrect the article at the moment. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 20:38, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

== Hope you're doing well! ==

I see you around a lot in the same article topics and just thought I'd wish you well! [[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]] ([[User talk:PARAKANYAA|talk]]) 03:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

:Thank you @[[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]] for your well wishes. Unfortunately, I have been out of action for the last few weeks as a result of an acute medical event and surgery that needs some time to recover from. As a result I have been unable to edit Wikipedia until now due to some Information Technology limitations that has been complicated by a coincidental device failure. Hopefully, I am sufficiently recovered to resume editing Wikipedia, but please expect my activities to be at a lower level than previously because I still need to rehabilitate myself over the next few weeks. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 23:34, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
::I’m glad to hear that you’re doing better at least, I just saw you around a lot so I was worried something may have happened. Do whatever you need to do, better to prioritize your health than Wikipedia. I appreciate the work you have done around here, though [[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]] ([[User talk:PARAKANYAA|talk]]) 06:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for noticing my editing absence and worrying that something had happened. I suspect I will make editing Wikipedia part of my rehabilitation in order to keep me mentally active and alert, and prepare me for more taxing activities, like full time work. Now I have access to a decent keyboard and screen and am no longer confined to using a smartphone touch screen, I am feeling more confident in my recovery. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 07:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

== Reverting Edits  ==

Hi {{ping|Cameron Dewe}} I noticed you reverted a few edits, such as [[Category talk: Hindutva]] or [[Category talk: Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh]] or [[Category talk: Hindu nationalism]]. For your kind information, please read articles like [[Violence against Christians in India]], [[Violence against Muslims in independent India]], and [[Hindu terrorism]]. You will notice if you go through these articles as well as the sources, the majority of the academic sources state that violence against minority communities is predominately committed by Hindu right-wing groups that have affiliations with either Sangh Parivar or the RSS and their ideology is either [[Hindutva]] or [[Hindu nationalism]]. Hence, WP:Discrimination, WP:Crime, and WP:Terrorism can certainly be added to these respective categories of talk page and templates too. You can't go on a case-by-case basis to add these respective WP projects because the above articles clearly state that these organisations and their ideaology are the main cause of violence against minorities and their long history of violence. Just read the above articles; unless you read them, you won't understand. Nonetheless, I won't revert your edits; I just thought I should inform you on this matter. Thanks [[Special:Contributions/2409:40E0:101D:806D:9419:993D:8E7D:270B|2409:40E0:101D:806D:9419:993D:8E7D:270B]] ([[User talk:2409:40E0:101D:806D:9419:993D:8E7D:270B|talk]]) 12:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

:The reason I removed the WikiProjects from the '''Categories''' is due to [[WP:OVERBANNER]], not because of what activities these groups might participate in. At a category level one needs to ask the question do the WikiProject banners apply to every likely article in the '''whole''' category? Reading through the main articles for each category, I could see that there was some debate and criticism over these groups activities, but not to the extent that the whole group had been prosecuted for criminal activities, declared to be a criminal organization or banned as a terrorist organization. As far as I can tell, it is still legal to be a member of these political groups in India. When applying WikiProject banners one has to ask the question about what additional benefit will having the additional WikiProjects serve? In this case there is little to no benefit having extra WikiProjects beyond ones related to Indian politics. Please remember that WikiProjects are '''not''' categorisations classifications, they exist to improve the quality of articles. Adding WikiProjects to categories doesn't really assist in improving quality other than saying all the articles in a particular category should be examined for WikiProject membership. That means someone needs to go through and assess each article in the category to see if it fits the scope of each WikiProject. That is clearly not the case with these categories. Now if the category was about "'''Violence'''" or "'''Terrorism'''" by or against any group in India then those categories would fall into the scope of one or other, but not necessarily both, [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography|WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography]] or [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism|WikiProject Terrorism]]. I have left messages on the categories I edited to explain my thinking on this issue, as well as edit summaries with reasons.
:Unfortunately, as you choose to edit anonymously, all I can go on is your IP address, which seems to change randomly every couple of edits, so it is next to impossible to leave you a message, directly. If you want to seriously enter into debates on Wikipedia then you need to [[WP:REGISTER|register]] for a [[WP:ACCOUNT|user account]] and [[H:LOGIN|log on]] when you edit. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 19:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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== WP:DEATH ==

I've noticed you add [[WP:DEATH]] to pages on serial killer bios, but that's explicitly outside of the scope. I usually assess stuff for that project (like once a month ha). I think it should probably be in scope when the person was executed, but if not, I agree with its exclusion. [[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]] ([[User talk:PARAKANYAA|talk]]) 03:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]]: Sorry, I had not picked up on the subtle differences in exclusions for that project. The inclusion/exclusion list is somewhat confusing and inconsistent about what is in or out. This seems to be primarily based on the title of the article, not its contents, although that had not previously been made clear to me. Thus an article about a murder is ''in-scope'' but an article about a murderer, which describes all their their murders and names all their victims is ''out of scope''. It doesn't make sense to me to decide to include or exclude articles that way. Or am I reading the exclusion list wrong? What about criminals who are executed or commit suicide? To me, if the article describes death, I have been including it until now. But now you have pointed out the exclusions, I will be more attentive to which articles I add the banner to. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 04:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
::Yeah, I was never really certain about that. It used to say terror attacks weren't in scope, which seemed to me to be very arbitrary when other mass attack type crimes were, so I removed that. Might need to do the same here, but wasn't really sure since there isn't much activity there. [[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]] ([[User talk:PARAKANYAA|talk]]) 04:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]]: I would call the exclusion list inconsistent, not just arbitrary. If terrorist attacks were excluded, what about attacks involving suicide bombers? Suicide is a particular subset of death and it is technically not a crime in most jurisdictions. So if someone commits suicide by blowing themselves up in a terrorist attack, like New Zealand [[Neil Roberts (anarchist)|anarchist Neil Roberts]] did in the [[Wanganui Computer Centre bombing]], the act is included but the person is not, even though they commit suicide. This is completely inconsistent and does not make sense to me. I could understand if there were some principles involved that explained how to make inclusion or exclusion decisions based on content of an article, but not just the title. I don't think the inclusion/exclusion criteria have been thought through properly at all. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 05:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] Yeah, I agree with you it's pretty arbitrary. It may have been an attempt to narrow the scope given how big "death" is as a scope. But it may be time to broaden it a bit, given how many pages are already tagged like that, and it is quite arbitrary.
::::FWIW I think pings only work when you sign at the same time. I only saw this message now that I checked your talk page manually. [[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]] ([[User talk:PARAKANYAA|talk]]) 09:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]]: Nothing is more certain than Death (and taxes.) If this was an attempt at scope limitation, then I think it could have been expressed in a different way. I am not sure the scope needs to be broader, but perhaps clearer. Time for a project discussion, I think. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 17:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::I agree with that, it's not very logical. Then again I'm the only person who assesses for it, so might not be a whole lot of discussion. [[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]] ([[User talk:PARAKANYAA|talk]]) 06:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:PARAKANYAA|PARAKANYAA]]: We can cross that bridge if it comes to that. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 17:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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== Articles for deletion on FBI Most Wanted year by year ==

Hello Cameron, I seem to be having some issues with the FBI Ten most Wanted List and was wondering if you could assist? I am trying to nominate [[FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives by year, 1960]] for deletion given that [[FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives, 1960s]] has all the same information and follows the newer organizational standard set forth in the 1970s-2020s pages. I feel like i might have not done it correctly though. Any help would be greatly appreciated. [[User:DigitalPhantoms|DigitalPhantoms]] ([[User talk:DigitalPhantoms|talk]]) 18:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:DigitalPhantoms|DigitalPhantoms]]: I think the issue has been fixed by another user, by deleting additional text that should have gone on the page proposing deletion. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 19:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah I see. Thanks for letting me know. The process was a bit confusing at first but I think I got the hang of it now. [[User:DigitalPhantoms|DigitalPhantoms]] ([[User talk:DigitalPhantoms|talk]]) 19:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:DigitalPhantoms|DigitalPhantoms]]: Yes, the instructions at [[WP:AFDHOWTO]] are very specific and precise. If they are not followed exactly then I can see how things can go wrong. Although I have participated in deletion debates, I am not a [[Wikipedia:Deletion and deletionism|deletionist]], so I am possibly the wrong person to be asking about a process I have never used before. Sorry I could not help you more, but it looks like you got there in the end. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 20:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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:@[[User:Barry Wom|Barry Wom]]: Thank you for letting me know. I have contested the deletion. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 20:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

==[[Koskotas scandal]]== 
I noticed that you assessed the newly created article as "C," I thought it was closer to "B" (not that it matters at this stage). Could you please let me know what you think is missing from the article? I am hoping to get it ready and submit it for GA evaluation. But before doing so, I was hoping to get some feedback. You felt something was missing. I would appreciate any input/advice you could provide. [[User:A.Cython|A.Cython]] ([[User talk:A.Cython|talk]]) 23:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:A.Cython|A.Cython]]: The [[MOS:LEAD|lead section]] includes the claim that "''The trial is considered one of the most significant trials of modern Greece.''" While this has a citation, there is nothing in the article that analyses the trial in terms of its significance to modern Greek jurisprudence, Greek society, or any other context. Read [[MOS:LEAD]] and [[WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY]] to understand the purpose of the lead, which is to provide a brief summary of the article's important points. So if someting is mentioned in the lead, I expect to find more detailed discussion in the body of the article. I could potentially have tagged the article with the [[Template:Lead extra info|Lead extra info]] template. This issue may also be an indicator that the article is potentially lacking in some finer details. Articles that need this sort of clean-up are C-class, in my opinion. 
:Also, now that I dig deeper and look at the cited source for that claim, I find it is not available on-line, as far as I can tell, and the link that the citation provides only takes the reader to the book, not the text of the page in the book that is relevant to the claim. So I cannot easily [[WP:V|verify]] the claim by reading the source material directly. There are other issues with the sources, too, such as the need to subscribe to the New York Times to read an article not being indicated in the citation. The article might look nice, but if it cannot be verified it is not a quality article. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 08:35, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

::Your comments are constructive; it always helps to have an outsider's opinion. I think I know what you mean, explain the significance (with subsections on "background" & "significance/aftermath"), not just point to a page in a book. I hope this is not a problem that I focus far more on academic/book/journal sources than anything else. I need to focus on the accessibility issue as well. If there is any doubt, here is the quote from the particular book, Jones p. 229.
{{quotebox|quote=The trial, conducted by a Special Court that consisted of 13 Justices of the Supreme Court of Greece ['Arios Pagos'], lasted 10 months and has been called the 'trial of trials' and the most significant since the [[Trial of the Six|trial in 1922]] of some of the protagonists of Greece’s national catastrophe in Asia Minor.}}
::Thank you again.[[User:A.Cython|A.Cython]] ([[User talk:A.Cython|talk]]) 22:38, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

== JSYK ==

Hey, 
Just wanted to let you know that I removed some categories from your sandbox that had been placed there by page banner templates by adding a categories=no parameter to them; I was able to learn something new today, and it's not a big deal. Thought that I would drop by in case you were wondering why someone edited your sandbox. [[User:JuxtaposedJacob|JuxtaposedJacob]] <small>([[User talk:JuxtaposedJacob|talk]]) &#124; :) &#124; he/him &#124; </small> 21:55, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for that. I didn't realise using those banners added categories to the article. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 06:29, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

== Death ==

Hello @[[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] and thank you for rating all my newly created page and take time and effort to do it. I wanted to ask about the Project:Death that you removed from [[Adrienne Chailliey]] ; it's only for executed people ? Not for people who killed several other people ? Bc she wasn't executed but if she was the bomber, which seems highly likely - it would make her one of the main authors of the bombing, killing 5 people. I have no source about that but I think that this would make her the most lethal female terrorist of the 19th century - since the Narodnaya Volya ones did 'only' 1 kills each often times. So that's why I added the Death project but if it's only for executed people, then sorry I didn't know it. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 09:32, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]]: The [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Death#Scope|scope]] of [[Wikipedia:Wikiproject Death|Wikiproject Death]] is somewhat complex to explain, as it depends on the way an article is named. However, these exclusion rules has been pointed out to me by other project members. According to the scope statement, if an article is a biography of a person who is merely dead then the article is out of scope. Also out of scope are biographies of killers, including serial killers and murderers - they are criminals. However, the acts of criminals that cause death(s) are within scope. So an article about the "''[[WP:MURDEROF|Murder of a victim]]''" is in scope, as would be an article about a fatal terrorist bombing, but the biography of the terrorist bomber would not be. The scope statement does not mention if executed people are in scope or not, so it is a grey area to me, and I have argued for included them, in the past. But a literal interpretation of the scope statement would suggest even people who are executed are out of scope of WikiProject Death. Unfortunately the principles or thinking behind these rules has not been documented for our current understanding. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 07:52, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] Hello ! No worries, I just wanted to understand, and indeed, it’s clearly very complex. Well, the best thing is to let you (or someone else) make sure whether the project is correct or not because it's a bit too complicated for me – ngl. I’ll add it to new created page if they meet the criteria you just mentioned in the future, and if it's not the case, well, np. Anyway, thanks for the explanation and have a good day. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 11:15, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[Terry stop]] ==

I'm re-assessing as many legal stubs and articles as humanly possible. I assessed this as a B-Class. I see it's fairly complete and every paragraph has at least one citation. It will need updates for the past two to four years to get to a GA. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 01:51, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[:A Case for Solomon]] for deletion ==
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== [[Organized Crime Control Act of 1970]] ==

I ran across this as part of an assessments project. Would you mind if I rated this article as Mid-importance? [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 16:51, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Bearian|Bearian]]: I am not an expert in US law, and when I assessed the [[Organized Crime Control Act of 1970]] in December 2021, it was only rated as a Stub article, it has developed since then and my rating was partly based on the fact that the article was unassessed for importance at the time and "Low" is the minimum importance an article can have. Thinking about it now, after doing assessments like this for about 5 years, I might assess it differently. [[WP:BEBOLD|Be bold]] and reassess it, or any other article I have assessed as "Low" or "Stub" in the past, as I suspect you are working with better information than I have been up to now. I have always considered the assessments I give articles to be "my opinion", so if you have a different opinion, feel free to express it and change the rating. If I disagree strongly, we can always [[WP:BRD|discuss it afterwards]], but for relevant article, like this one, with "Low" ratings going to "Mid" ratings I probably won't have an objection. - [[User:Cameron Dewe|Cameron Dewe]] ([[User talk:Cameron Dewe#top|talk]]) 20:18, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::Ok. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 21:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)