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'''Archived talk from December 2003'''

===• Vermont to the rescue ===
I am glad to help. [[User:Greenmountainboy|Greenmountainboy]]

===• Paul M. Simon ===
Sorry, didn't get your message yesterday. Someone else has already moved Simon to the mainpage in the meantime, apparently. -- [[User:JeLuF|JeLuF]] 06:42, Dec 10, 2003 (UTC)
:No problem at all, JeLuF -- this is one of the few times I've actually wished I was a sysop, but it's not a big deal, since someone was bound to do it soon enough. Thanks for the reply. -- [[User:Bcorr|BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; ]] 06:49, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

===• Adminship ===
You've been nominated for adminship! To accept the nomination, please leave a message at [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship]]. Cheers, [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 21:41, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
:Thanks for the notice, Cyan! -- [[User:Bcorr|BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; ]] 23:14, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
:: Congratulations on your nomination. I appreciate your helpful approach. [[User:Mkmcconn|Mkmcconn]]

===• PomPom ===
so Brion ! Thanks for the end of the translation and typos :-) That was a long time work (on fr, I started it about 1 year ago I think, but have really been working on it for a month now). Glad it is over, just with small touches left. Thanks a lot for your help all along.
:You're very welcome!

I edited your French article. It is quite good :-) I hope you do some more. If you wish me to edit them before, put them on my talk page or somewhere, I am on a leave of fr. [[User:Anthere|PomPom]]
:Merci! Est-ce que il y a preferré que je ne placer pas les articles inredactées? Si c'est vrai, je requêterai pour ta aide, d'accord; si non, je ne me moleste pas par les changes. -- [[User:Bcorr|BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; ]] 01:30, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

your french was near perfect. It was perfectly ok to put it directly, and you should not hesitate to do it again. I doubt anyone would complain honestly ! Just, if you prefer a check, just ask before. I will be glad to help :-) Now, to bed :-) [[User:Anthere|PomPom]]
:''';+)''' [[User:Bcorr|BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; ]]

===• Unencyclopedic ===

[[User:The Cunctator|Cunc]] and I are having a discussion about the use of the term "unencyclopedic" on the talk page of [[User:Cyan/Unencyclopedic]]. Since I've seen you use the term recently of VfD, perhaps you might be interested in our earlier comments - we've strayed rather off-topic. Cheers, [[User:Cyan|Cyan]] 03:13, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

:Hmmm...there's quite a bit of food for thought there! FYI, I agree with your perspective, but Cunc does (as usual) raise some valid points, and I will have to give more thought to my comments on VfD -- but I'm guessing that I will still fall back on "unencyclopedic." It has seemed like a rather succinct way of expressing a reason for deletion without having to go into specifics (I try to follow the advice of giving a reason I'm voting to delete a page), but maybe it's not accomplishing what I'm intending it to... Thanks, [[User:Bcorr|BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; ]] 03:57, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

made one :-) [[User:Anthere|PomPom]]

===• Innocence ===
Some people are complaining that I am not nice enough. Apparently also forgetting I am a human being with feelings myself, not a bot; I think there are not entirely wrong perhaps. I take things too much by heart. I like too much perfection, I can't bear lack of justice and stupidity, and I forget to be kind enough in front of this. To look at it, and just shake my head and tell to myself, "that's ok, you can forget this". I feel too much ownership and responsability toward that project, so have it hard to see people do what I consider spoiling it.

Yes I look back to nearly 2 years ago; at innocence. Look, I have no history of my innocence of fr, because it was in phase I, but this was one of my initial user pages here :  http://en2.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User:Anthere&oldid=338930

This past month, I grew so frustrated that I was a bit unnice to some. I wanted to leave the place mid november; but Alvaro convinced me to do otherwise. Alvaro seems to have gone. And I think about these hours, where I could have been doing other things than trying to help with building this project, which could give me happiness, but where I mostly feel exhaustion, uselessness and crying.

At the bottom, it was the first time I took a break from fr, a light break though.  ''Bonsoir, Anthère. A couple of days ago I was looking at the WikiFR-l mailing list, because I was curious about Tim Starling being involved in dealing with Chatterings. I understand enough French to see that you have had to deal with PP's endless vandalism, and at the same time people complaining that you are not nice enough (et c'est injuste et faux, dans mon expérience!). And it seems ironic for me personally, as I am enjoying translating articles for fr: and following the corrections that others make -- it helps my French a lot). And I completely understand. Sometimes it seems impossible to go back to the days of innocence -- whether at Wikipedia or in real life. I often wish that when I go to meetings or conferences, I could just sit in the audience and listen -- but usually I am organizing the meeting, or have a role in the conference. When I don't, it's very nice to relax. And I don't have advice for you: quitter ou ne quitter pas? Je ne sais pas ce qui est la décision "correcte". But I trust completely that you will make the correct decision. Dans l'esprit de la paix, BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085;  22:35, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)''

I thank you Brian. I think you understand what I feel, though you cannot know all the roots of it. I wrote and rewrote and rerewrote several times this comment to your message; but nothing appeared "right". I think the botton line is that I feel too much ownership and responsability on the fr pedia, that I have too strong certainties about what is good and what is not, that I have it hard to accept with a shrug and a smile what I personally consider actions spoiling wikipedia. So, I adopt a certain behavior that I do not necessarily entirely approuve. On top of that, people appear to assume I should always behave in a certain way, thus trying to restrict my own liberty. Instead of finding satisfaction, I grow more and more frustrated and acid; and I fail to see the big picture. And perhaps what we need most would be a kernel of key contributors, who have understood well the principals and can quietly and strongly use the arguments and each focus on one type of topic. Perhaps one would be more on npov, one on conflict, one on copyright, one on complaining to avoid groupthink, one on welcoming newbies, one on training futur sysops ect...right now, it is far too much of an anarchy and certainly lacking balance. When Tarquin threatened to leave fr as well, someone commented that it was not a solution. Yes, it is not a solution for fr, but perservation for me. I certainly need a break, I just dunno how long it will last. There is no correct solution unfortunately. I just need quiet now and I am sure you will be part of it :-)

:Je suis toujours à ton service à aider! And always feel free to email me if you need a sounding board (''conseil retentissant'') -- or just some support. -- [[User:Bcorr|BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; ]]

===• Consensus ===

I agree with everything you said, with the exception of your position on the list at the top of VfD, which is of course why you wrote me any of this to begin with ;). In my opinion avoiding debate and involvement of those who would clearly like to be involved (myself, and presumably [[User Talk:Anjouli|Anjouli]] and [[User Talk:Lir|Lir]]) is not the optimal way to build a concensus. It is of course, an ''easier'' way, but not one which I agree with. I have had VfD on my watchlist ever since I missed out on taking part in a vote for a page that ment alot to me, and which was deleted before I could become very much involved in the decision (see [[Talk:AKFD/redirect]] if you are interested). Whilst I can't say I am a deletionist or a inclusionist, an eventualist or an "imediatist", I would like to think I am a healthy combination of the above, and that my opinions are worthwhile, perhaps even necessary, particularly during a close vote. I have detected a certain elitist atmosphere at the wikipedia where some feel they and their vote (or opinion, etc...) are more equal than those of others, and that the opinions of ''some'' are not needed at all ;) It is my heartfelt opinion that I bring something of value and balance, and my intent to bring it as often as possible :D [[User:JackLynch|Jack]] 03:20, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I'm afraid you may have taken ''me'' the wrong way. I didn't at any time mean to suggest that you were intending to exclude me from voting, or that you are elitist, etc... I was actually refering to a comment that you didn't make (at least I don't think it was you!) that I saw soon after beginning editing at the wiki, (and which I don't have a link to, etc...) which essentially complained about new users voting, and the potential for them to be trolls ( I believe they were suspicious that this new user was some fellow named "micheal" in disguise). Anyways, its not really worth focusing much on that. My primary point is that I want to be on the search and rescue team, not the hit squad ;) I have almost never voted to delete, actually. I guess I am kinda a inclusionist, but some things (lists for example) annoy me, so I'm certainly not a purist inclusionist, whatever that means! [[User:JackLynch|Jack]] 03:57, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

What would be the ''''Very'''' best is if '''everyone''' were notifyed when a page were about to be deleted, so that they could vote if they felt a need. I just don't like the idea of pages on the fast track to deletion, w somebodies hard work and going to waste. [[User:JackLynch|Jack]] 04:02, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

===• Barnstable, Massachusetts ===

No worries! I'm just glad someone's paying attention to what I'm doing.  [[User:Ajd|AJD]] 18:03, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Right, let's move this discussion to [[Talk:Villages of Barnstable, Massachusetts]]. I'm in the middle of other stuff right now, but I'll get to it as soon as I can.  [[User:Ajd|AJD]] 21:18, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
===• Green parties merger ===

Hi, I tried to give a short explanataion on [[Talk:Worldwide green parties]]. We should continue to discuss there. -- [[User:Tillwe|till we *)]] 23:48, Dec 15, 2003 (UTC)

:Ja, ich ferstehe. Danke. -- [[User:Bcorr|BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; ]] 23:51, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

===• Comments on "Sport" reworking ===

Thanks Brian for your comments on Sport, it was getting me down to be so challenged, like some of the emotions expressed in other parts of this page.  I felt you stood  up for what is right, as I was trying to do, and I hope you don't stop doing that. 

I feel it would sometimes be so easy to walk away. But Wikipedia is so like life, which often makes me think no, let's accept and work with _everyone's_ contributions, nobody has the prerogative on truth.
 Best wishes

[[User:TonyClarke|TonyClarke]]

===• Urban renewal===

No need for thanks. This is everything an article should be; well written and structured, clear and informative. And not afraid to be '''long''' enough to cover the ground. Feel free to borrow anything you like from my userpage. Only wish I had the skills to add formatting like on yours. [[User:Bmills|Bmills]] 14:47, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

:Again, thanks (really are due, you know). And as far as formattting, I've just mucked around a bit with the page for a few months, and have fallen back on minimal [[HTML]] when necessary -- and I'm happy to answer any questions. -- Cheers, [[User:Bcorr|BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; ]] 14:52, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

===• Who indeed?===

You're now an administrator. -- [[User:Tim Starling|Tim Starling]] 08:19, Dec 18, 2003 (UTC)

: Is he?? Now *WHO* would vote for Brian?? ;-) - [[User:Mark Ryan|Mark Ryan]] 16:56, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

===• Brown paper bag test ===

Why do you refer to it as an idea instead of a real ritual? According to [http://www.sptimes.com/2003/08/31/Columns/The_paper_bag_test.shtml this article], it has been practiced.[[User:Eloquence|&mdash;Eloquence]] 18:28, Dec 19, 2003 (UTC)

:Yes -- I stand corrected. Perhaps I'm a little oversensitive about terminology around race, and my recollection of the scene in ''School Daze'' doesn't match the example in the article, but the article is a much better reference. -- [[User:Bcorr|BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; ]] 20:23, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)

===• It's all an illusion...===
about your irc comment, that was the least I could do. You did right in asking. I was probably of bad advice :-)

your work place looks very tidy, you are lucky :-)

:It worked! The picture is carefully cropped (coupée) to create the ''illusion'' of tidiness! Et l'avis n'est pas mal.

::I could try to crop the best I could, it would not work :-) At work, yes, at home, that is just hopeless. It is all wikipedia fault

:L'article a faire suivre immédiatment après l'undeletion...

::sorry, I did not understand that. But see...in the end, that was not even a question that I could answer to. (still on fr, I would have deleted it :-))

:::I'm getting help from Google this time: L'article a été "redirected" juste après qu'il a été repris.

::::ah, ok. I had not seen. That looks better to me. The previous title was weird. Not that the current does not seems weird to me as well, but well...

::::we would best say..hummm...après restauration, l'article a été redirigé vers...

:::::Ah! Merci...I will keep learning with your help :-)

::::::I will keep learning from you as well :-)

===• Rockport, Massachusetts ===

Not quite sure what you meant about my [[Rockport, Massachusetts|Rockport]] emendations, but maybe that's why you removed the comment.... The [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cities|template]] '''has''' demographics below history; that's why I put it there.  [[User:Ajd|AJD]] 06:57, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)

===• Wikipédia francophone ===

Oui, le Wikipédia des francophones est moins volumineux que le Wikipedia anglophone, c'est normal, mais avec le temps, ça se corrigera tout seul. '''French is a wordy language... ;-)'''

Non, je ne suis pas vraiment inquiet pour le contenu québécois à moyen et à long terme. Je sais qu'éventuellement des dizaines et des dizaines de Québécois et de québécophiles dans ton genre vont débarquer sur le net pour enrichir le côté francophone. 

Personnellement, je suis plus préocuppé par le contenu traitant du Québec du côté anglophone. J'ai décidé qu'il fallait que je m'y mette moi-même en lisant la $/$/"%/? de '''marde''' dans l'article [[Quebecois]]. On est jamais mieux servit que par soi-même. J'ai commencé [[Timeline of Quebec history]] and [[Culture of Quebec]] et j'ai bien l'intention d'écrire des articles sur le sujet jusqu'à ma mort! :-) -- [[User:Mathieugp|Mathieugp]] 03:31, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)

P.S.: Are you one of those Franco-Americans trying to reconnect with their roots? ([http://www.vigile.net/01-2/boston-globe-patois.html Freeing the silenced tongue]). -- [[User:Mathieugp|Mathieugp]] 03:31, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)

:Non -- Je suis simplement très intéressé par le Québec... -- [[User:Bcorr|BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; ]] 03:50, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)

:: C'est encore mieux : un vrai Yankee! ;-) Bravo pour la traduction de fr:Acadie, c'est très bon. En passant, si ça t'intéresse, tu peux m'aider avec la très difficile traduction du testament politique de notre [[Thomas Jefferson]] à nous, [[Louis-Joseph Papineau]]. Je t'invite à aller voir ma traduction à --> [http://english.republiquelibre.org/papineau/papineau-speech-institut.html Speech of Louis-Joseph Papineau at the Institut Canadien] et l'original à --> [http://english.republiquelibre.org/papineau/papineau-speech-institut-original.html Discours de Louis Joseph Papineau à l'Institut Canadien]. -- [[User:Mathieugp|Mathieugp]] 04:07, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)