View source for Template talk:Village pump page header

== Old discussions ==
===Newsect2 template===
I've put it back to the version not using the new section template because of it was still going over the 5 template limit on some pages (it uses that template in the header of each page too).  May as well have all of them as the non-template version rather than half and half. [[User:Violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 23:09, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

=== Category ===

I've removed the [[:Category:Wikipedia village pump]] link from this because people were using it on non-Pump pages (like user pages.  Will add the category to each pump page itself. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 07:26, 2005 May 7 (UTC)

===Use on user pages===
Many people were using this template on their user pages, but with the recent changes to this template, it now looks like s**t on said pages.  Why couldn't a new template be devised rather than changing this one? &mdash; [[User:Stevietheman|<span style="color:green">'''Stevie is the man!'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 02:27, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

===What about this new image, which has no background?===
{| width="95%" align="center" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border: 1px solid #99C; margin-bottom: 3px; background-color: #DDF;"
|-
|align="center" colspan="2" style="background-color: #AAC;"|<big>'''Village pump &ndash; {{{1}}}'''</big>
|-
|align="center" width="100%"|{{{2}}}
|align="center"|[[Image:Villagepump.png|100px|Village Pump]]
|-
|align="center" colspan="2" style="background-color: #CCF;"|
<span class="plainlinks">'''[[Wikipedia:Village pump|Main page]]'''
&middot;
[[Wikipedia:Village pump (news)|News]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28news%29&action=edit&section=new post])
&middot;
[[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)|Policy]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29&action=edit&section=new post])
&middot;
[[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)|Technical]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29&action=edit&section=new post])
&middot;
[[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)|Proposals]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29&action=edit&section=new post])
&middot;
[[Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance)|Assistance]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28assistance%29&action=edit&section=new post])
&middot;
[[Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)|Miscellaneous]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28miscellaneous%29&action=edit&section=new post])</span>
|}
-- [[User:SoothingR|SoothingR]]<sup><small>([[User talk:SoothingR|pour]])</small></sup> 22:15, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
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== Shortcut ==

The new third parameter allows to specify the 
shortcut, same idea as for guidelines, policies,
etc., see [[:Category:Wikipedia header templates|Wikipedia header templates]].
Qif magic for the shortcut is apparently unnecessary,
the template is (almost) only included on Village Pump
sections, and they all have WP:VPx shortcuts.

Joining the nav nox with the lead table could make
sense for very long intro texts, but that's not the
case, floating with the ToC is IMHO better. [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Omniplex|&#160;]]</small></sup> 12:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

For legacy browsers some padding / spacing helps
to separate the 2nd row (=&#160;2nd parameter) 
from the last row (=&#160;sig and posting info),
and to separate the left column (= text) from the
right column (= shortcut). {{Tl|Lorem Ipsum}} was
unrealistic for [[WP:VPS|VP section]] intro texts 
(= 2nd parameter), I replaced it by {{Tl|Lorem}}. [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Omniplex|&#160;]]</small></sup> 13:49, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

: I've reverted you. In both browsers I've tried it in (Firefox 1.5 and Internet Explorer 7.0) the shortcut box is aligned to the right with some padding around it. Which browser are you using that has the shortcut box in the wrong location? —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 04:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

:: I've added a colon to your comment because I didn't see it... ;-) I use an old [[Netscape navigator|mozilla 3]], CSS has zero effect with this monster. Stuff like <code>align=</code> works under certain conditions. If the cell padding / spacing is too big for your browser simply shrink it, but not to zero. Or overwrite it with CSS, then you get the CSS version, and I get the legacy version. The archive link is a PITA on the talk pages, maybe a Qif-talk link would be better, but I'm not yet sure how to do this, {{Tl|Sif}} or similar. [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Omniplex|&#160;]]</small></sup> 04:35, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

::: Ick.. you use this on purpose? =) It might be possible to detect the current namespace and omit the archive link on talk pages (AzaToth probably has a quick idea for that if you want to ask him). But seriously, unless you're using a 386/486 I think you should be able to use Firefox or IE 6.x (obviously I don't know your situation so maybe you are using a 386/486 or some odd hardware setup that doesn't support FF/IE) and then the whole issue would be kind of moot. =) 

::: In any event, I've self reverted for now. Ping AzaToth if you want to try and get the archive link worked out (unless you want to investigate that yourself of course). =) And sorry for not indenting my reply, don't know how I forgot that. :( —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 05:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

:::: Missing colon: that was a critical race, you did your rv magic before documenting it, I added the talk shortcuts at the same time, and my comment here (see below) came before your comment, therefore I missed it... ;-) Yes, I'm using the monster mozilla on purpose, OS/2 Warp 3 isn't tested with FF, and 2 GB isn't my RAM but the complete harddisk space. That's why I was so pissed by the [[WP:AUM]] war, [[WP:HIDE]] has simply no effect for me. [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Omniplex|&#160;]]</small></sup> 07:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

::::: Don't worry, you weren't the only one pissed off about [[WP:AUM]]. It's rejected at least now, and most people (yourself included I see) seem to agree [[WP:HIDE]] is an overall bad idea. =) I don't know if you've seen it, but take a look at [[User:Locke Cole/Don't use hiddenStructure]]. =) —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 10:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::: You could add [[Template talk:See#Caveats]] to your collection of ugly effects - inline PNGs are somewhat pointless for really old or text mode browsers &lt;gd&amp;r&gt; [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Omniplex|&#160;]]</small></sup> 13:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

=== Archive ===

If you clicked on one of the '''archive''' links
on the {{Lts|{{PAGENAME}}}} page you're redirected
to this page with the documentation &amp; discussion
of the template. I've created a mainly pointless
{{Tl|R to documentation}} for this purpose. [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Omniplex|&#160;]]</small></sup> 20:12, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

The archive link is certainly ugly on talk pages,
because it doesn't work there. But the shortcuts
<nowiki>[[WT:VPx]]</nowiki> are okay now, I'll add
them to [[Wikipedia:Shortcuts to talk pages]]. [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Omniplex|&#160;]]</small></sup> 04:07, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

: Okay, that works now, I didn't know that <code><nowiki>{{ns:Project}}:x</nowiki></code> results in <code>{{ns:Project}}:x</code>, or that anybody uses this template on other projects. Because I don't "see" inline PNGs (unless I click on them) or CSS colours I can only hope that [[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] got this right. As far as I'm concerned the right column needs no colours, and I certainly won't start any <code>&lt;font&#160;color="</code>[http://purl.net/xyzzy/colour.htm tricks]<code>"&gt;</code> ;-) [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Omniplex|&#160;]]</small></sup> 09:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

:: See [[Help:Variable]] for a list of MediaWiki variables. =) As for it's use on other projects/languages, it happens from time to time and little pre-emptive measures like this can make life easier on those copying/pasting it. =) (Of course it's doubtful they call their archive an "Archive", but it's one less thing to change). Agreed on the colors. —[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 10:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

== Explanations for Gennaro ==

Some issues: Apparently you tried to replace aling="center" and similar constructs by style="text-align: center". That's pointless, for modern browsers there's no difference, for old browsers it breaks the alignment. Very critical for left+right, old browsers take this as hint to start floating left+right. Just leave it as it is, and try your CSS magic on top of it: Modern browsers will ignore the legacy markup if there's better (real or wannabe) CSS. Old browsers never see the CSS.

I tried to repair it, but there were at least four critical (wrt backwards compatibility) changes. Please try it in smaller steps if possible. The &lt;hr /&gt; worked, but IMO it's kind of ugly. For anything you did '''only''' with CSS I can't judge it, just reinsert it if it was fine from your POV. Maybe say which problem you're trying to solve. Extremely long section titles in the ToC by chance? --&#160;[[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]] 09:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

==Added Tnavbar==
align=right| <nowiki>{{navbar|Template:Villagepumppages}} </nowiki> 
which created:
{{Tnavbar|Template:Villagepumppages}} [[User:Ikip|Ikip]] ([[User talk:Ikip|talk]]) 21:46, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

== Link to persisten proposals ==

The template links to [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Persistent proposals]] but since it's not been edited since early 2009 shouldn't the link be removed ? [[User:Cenarium|Cenarium]] ([[User talk:Cenarium|talk]]) 15:09, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

== Changed look of the brown header ==

Yesterday changed the look of the VP's page headers template. As it was sandboxed & testpaged, the notes were there. So now I'll just copy & quote my notes from there, to save them fomr the tespage. (of course, talk should be here next time). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 12:33, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
==Notes==
* Talk central here [[Template talk:Village pump page header/sandbox]] please.
* Some links may lead to non-sandbox places, please be ware.
* Used principles:
:- See [[Help:Color]] for the colorschemes of the main page etc., there's a pattern
:- Colored tables start with a dark colored titlebar (header)
:- Sub-titles get the medium-dark color
:- Bordercolor of a block is the background color of the one-step-darker block
:- Similar text go together
* What is changed?
:- Title is now in top row: '''Village pump policy'''
:- Repositioned the link "(New) post" near similar links
:- Top row (header) has the darkest color
:- Sub-heading rows (navigation) have the medium-light color
:- border-color rule as read above (1 step darker)
:- The 4th row, where the title was (sic), is deleted.
* Wat is unchanged:
:- All options & links unchanged
:- All params / variables unchanged (no change needed at the calling VP-pages)
:- Texts unchanged (moved only)
:- Background colors: the same color number
-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 17:06, 8 September 2010 (UTC) <small>Edits -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 08:36, 9 September 2010 (UTC)</small>

==Reordering==
Thumbs up from me to the restoration of the old tab order [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AVillage_pump_page_header&diff=549032640&oldid=548793501 here]. :) I've long preferred it, as it puts the village pumps more in order of priority, in my opinion. (When I read the VP, I have been going to the [[Wikipedia:Village pump]] page rather than using the tabs, since it stayed in the original order there.) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 14:53, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:An editor reverted, and I've re-reverted, because: It ''is'' based on another sequence: that at [[Template:Village pump]], which has years of stable precedent, in that order. –[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 22:55, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::re You both: "in order of priority, in my opinion" is not an argument, it is your preference at best (or a hobby, more likely). Also: "sequence: that at [[Template:Village pump]]" is self-serving. Of course we should put them alphabeticalay at [[WP:VP]] ''too'' -- I have not read arguments against. You both together have not given one single argument for the random sequence, except for 'habit'. By the way, Mrg, this 'old tab order' you cling to is one month old: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AVillage_pump_page_header&diff=544405893&oldid=537105144]. Guess who introduced it. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 00:05, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
:::"hobby"? I'm not sure what that means.
:::I seen no reason to overturn the precedent, beyond idon'tlikeit. 
:::I would guess that the existing order is based on age-of-original-creation, mixed with likely-relevance-to-searchers, mixed with raw-activity-levels, mixed with seriousness-of-ramifications-for-decisions-made-within.
:::But to find out for sure, we'd have to examine the years of (scattered/relevant) talkpage archives and page-history-edit-summaries, and/or ask. [[Template talk:Village pump]] and [[Wikipedia talk:Village pump]] are thataway. –[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 00:41, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
::::[[Hobby]] is an entry here at WP; nothing to add. Next you 'guess' five mixes. The onus is not on ''me'' to base the earlier sequence. Plain simple: why do you want that earlier one? Again I got not one argument. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 02:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::So, you wrote, "''Of course we should put them alphabeticalay at [[WP:VP]] ''too", 
:::::Yes, of course we should make them match, that '''is''' a good reason/argument!
:::::You also wrote, "''The onus is not on ''me'' to base the earlier sequence''". 
:::::If you want to change a years-long precedent, (to make the templates '''match''' each other, which is the main reason I reverted), then it is polite and often useful, to at least try to understand '''why''' the precedent exists, first. You have assumed (you wrote at least) that it is "random" - hence I offered some possible reasons as to why it is in that particular order. 
:::::Best wishes, –[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 02:28, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you even wrote ''five'' possibilities. Am ''I'' supposed to find the real one? My handsome rule is: if there is not logical sequence, use the alphabet. You, otoh, still keep pointing to a (possible) early habit or coincidence (or, five actually). And I am right to say: if you have no logic for the current sequence, it is correct to change all pages (i.e., the page WP:VP) consistently. My same logic for all pages. What could be wromg with that? 
::::::Now since you have no argument with content, I propose to set the sequence alphabetically. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]])
:::::::This template should match the other template. We agree on that.
:::::::I propose that a notification be left at [[Template talk:Village pump]] informing them of this discussion; or a fresh discussion started there. I will make that post if you insist, but you will not like the way I phrase it; therefor I'm ''trying'' to give you the opportunity and motivation to go make it yourself, and have the first-poster advantage.
:::::::"''Am ''I'' supposed to find the real one''" - No, but you ''are'' supposed to be curious. And you should not assume that a system is "random", simply because you don't recognize a pattern behind it. –[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 05:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

== Missing FAQ at VPT ==

I've recently noticed that the FAQ section is missing from [[WP:VPT]]. I've traced it to {{diff|Template:Village pump page header|prev|538694372|this edit}}. {{u|DePiep}}, why do you believe that it is an "idle row"? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 09:42, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
:As beliefs go: by mistake. Restored. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 10:05, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
::{{ty}} --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 10:08, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

== Nav links ==

What is the removal of the nav links: First discussion, End of page and New post? "keyboards have a button called "End"" isn't a good solution for tablets. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' &nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup></span> 22:27, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
* Not sure.  My cell phone/mobile device doesn't have a button called "End" either.  Support restoring the links. — <span class="nowrap">&#123;&#123;U&#124;[[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]]&#125;&#125; <sup>([[Special:EmailUser/Technical 13|e]] • [[User talk:Technical 13|t]] • [[Special:Contribs/Technical 13|c]])</sup></span> 02:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
::How do you handle a talkpage then? -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 02:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
:::I don't edit from mobile, but I do read. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' &nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup></span> 13:55, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

==Proposed addition==

See [[Special:Permalink/636583967]]

Adding a home icon to the splash page. Any views? --[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive; color:blue;">'''Mrjulesd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|<span style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive; color:orange;">(talk)</span>]] 22:29, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
:Needs alt text for accessibility. Are we using pure icons for navigation elsewhere? --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' &nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup></span> 23:29, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
:There's nothing ''there''. Why link to it? <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 23:34, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
::Why is the proposed version stuffed into a talk page thread, and not [[Template:Village pump page header/sandbox|sandboxed]]? See [[WP:TESTCASES]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 01:04, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks for your comments. 
:::@Redrose64 moved to the sandbox as suggested. Any comments on the proposal?
:::@Gadget850 you're right, alt text would be needed. I haven't any other proposals for pure icons, and the icon could be replaced with text if felt better. Would this be preferable?
:::@Edokter I agree with you to some extent, for experienced people such as yourself it doesn't link to anything particularly significant. But I don't think this is the case for newcomers, as I feel they may well find it helpful. Also, I feel that [[WP:Village pump]] acts as a home page for the Village Pump, and the ability to link back to it from the other pages is preferable, from a good UI point-of-view. The only way I am aware of doing it at present is to manipulate the URL. --[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive; color:blue;">'''Mrjulesd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|<span style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive; color:orange;">(talk)</span>]] 01:52, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
::::Now we can see exactly what [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AComparePages&page1=Template%3AVillage+pump+page+header&page2=Template%3AVillage+pump+page+header%2Fsandbox the proposed change] really is. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 09:53, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::OK I think that's most comments, thanks for them. Decision: not to proceed without greater consensus. --[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive; color:blue;">'''Mrjulesd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|<span style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive; color:orange;">(talk)</span>]] 17:06, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

== Languages ==

Why does this template show text in different languages? [[User:GeoffreyT2000|GeoffreyT2000]] ([[User talk:GeoffreyT2000|talk]]) 23:41, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
:{{Re|GeoffreyT2000}} This looks odd but is deliberate; you are seeing the output of the {{tl|Lorem ipsum}} template. This is placeholder text which is replaced by real text when the template is used at each of the village pump pages such as [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)]]. -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 06:29, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

== Add links "up" and (All) ==

I have just updated the sandbox and added links to the main VP page and also to the (All) page. Thoughts? — [[User:GhostInTheMachine|GhostInTheMachine]] <sup>[[User talk:GhostInTheMachine|talk to me]]</sup> 16:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
:Set the sandbox back to show the "up" and "all" menu. — [[User:GhostInTheMachine|GhostInTheMachine]] <sup>[[User talk:GhostInTheMachine|talk to me]]</sup> 14:44, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

== 2 search forms on one line. Will wrap to 2 lines on narrower screens ==

Method is described here:
*'''[[Help:Table#Side by side tables]].'''
Narrow your browser window to see the 2 search forms go from one line to two. On narrower screens they start off on 2 lines. --[[User:Timeshifter|'''Timeshifter''']] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 17:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

== Standard color scheme ==

I realize that this is just a personal irritation, but would anybody object to changing the background colors for this template so that they match the standard colors in [[Help:Using colours]]?  I don't really care which ones, just so long as it's not "unique".

In case it's helpful, here are the colors being used:
{{color swatch|#FFFAEA|Light "off" tabs}}{{color swatch|#EEE9D9|Main color}}{{color swatch|#BFB1A3|Border}}
{{-}}
Compare those to something like this from the standard options:
{{color swatch|#FFFBE6|Light "off" tabs}}{{color swatch|#F2ECCE|Main color}}{{color swatch|#BFBAA3|Border}}
{{-}}
If we wanted to do something really radical and lighten the whole scheme, we could switch to these (same colors, shifted one column):
{{color swatch|#FFFDF5|Light "off" tabs}}{{color swatch|#FFFBE6|Main color}}{{color swatch|#F2ECCE|Border}}
{{-}}
or switch to blue (our predominant color):
{{color swatch|#E6F2FF|Light "off" tabs}}{{color swatch|#CEE0F2|Main color}}{{color swatch|#A3B1BF|Border}}
{{-}}
What do you think? [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 22:44, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
:Here's a demo for suggested combinations: [[Template:Village pump page header/testcases#Demo 2023-08]]. It uses [[Special:Diff/1168773952|new parameters added to the sandbox]]. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 23:01, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks for making that, @[[User:Andrybak|Andrybak]].  I added a [[Template:Village pump page header/testcases#Demo "blue but lighten"|"blue but lighten"]] option.  In the beige-ish category, I think the existing (custom) cream and the standard cream colors are nearly indistinguishable, and therefore we could switch to the standard color without anyone noticing or caring.  For overall effect, I think I ''slightly'' prefer the lighter two options, but I'm not sure that the borders on them are dark enough (especially around the tabs).  What do you think? [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 01:45, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
:The variant "from the standard options" looks a bit like {{tl|Tmbox}}, but {{tl|Tmbox}} actually uses {{color box|#f8eaba|#f8eaba}} as background (defined in [[Special:Permalink/1097618699|Module:Message box/tmbox.css]]). And #f8eaba isn't in the table [[Help:Using colours]]. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 23:07, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
::Talk page templates use "coffee roll", selected in a discussion almost 20 years ago (=when MonoBook was the ''new'' skin).  I'd also be happy to change that (aiming for slightly lighter color/higher contrast, because it feels dark when there's a lot of banners at the top of a talk page, and higher contrast improves accessibility).  However, that would affect a h-u-g-e number of pages, and I think it would need a lot more planning.  They tell us [[Wikipedia:Don't worry about performance]], but when a change affects more than two million pages, we really wouldn't want the usual "Aaaagggghhhh, they changed it!  Change it back right now!" response.  If we get a backlash on this one, it's sort of unfortunate, but it only affects 23 pages.  The effect on the servers would be basically unnoticeable. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 01:39, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
:I think changing to the row of colors starting with #FFFBE6 is reasonable, since they are nearly identical to the old colors and would be uncontroversial. Any other color changes besides that should probably be done in a follow up. Low hanging fruit first, imo. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 03:51, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Moxy|Moxy]], I remember you knowing something about W3C contrast ratios.  Do you have any concerns about this? [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 21:07, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
:::looks good [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Colors]] <span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">[[User:Moxy|Moxy]]</span>-[[File:Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg|15px|link=User talk:Moxy]] 12:10, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
::I support the triple #FFFBE6 #F2ECCE #BFBAA3 "from the standard options" as well. These colors look more consistent between each other than the current live colors. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 21:41, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
:::Since nobody here seems to object, I've made this change.  [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 05:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Glad to see I'm not crazy for thinking the color changed. —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 03:33, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

:<small>Someone noticed!  We had a noticeable impact on the world!  Well, okay, on one person.  But still.  <code>;-)</code></small> [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 05:04, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

== Recent image addition ==

This doubles the height of the header at high browser zooms. Is everyone ok with this? I'm a little against it, but not enough to revert unilaterally. Thanks. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 08:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

:I've removed it again for now. The table is an accessibility problem, the page became impossible on mobile again and the search fields didn't clear the image. If people really want it back, I'll see if I can add it in a better way tonight or on Sunday. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 10:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC)