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==漢語 vs 中文==
Can I ask if there is any specific reasons that the term "漢語" should be used?
It is clearly stated in the [[Wikipedia:Babel|Babel page]] that this is the template for zh - '''中文''' (Chinese). -- [[User:Gsklee|G.S.K.Lee]] 10:17, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

== 第一语言 ==
Non-Han ethnic Chinese people, they consider Chinese the first language not their mother tongue, because their monthers are usually bilingal or even don't speak Chinese. So is more neutral to use "第一语言" instead of "母語".

:This explanation is stupid. I doubt your Chinese Language level match up to this userbox indicates. [http://dict.moe.gov.tw/cgi-bin/dict/GetContent.cgi?DocNum=21782&Database=dict&QueryString=%A5%C0%BBy&GraphicWord=yes] Give me a reference to support your distorted, false interpretation of this phrase, or stop this meaningless edit war. -- [[User:Gsklee|G.S.K.Lee]] 07:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I think "第一语言" should be the correct translation of "native speaker". "母語" should be that for monther tongue. [[User:Edipedia|Edipedia]] 17:39, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

:The problem is in fact there's no difference between these terms: [[First language]], [[Native language]], [[Mother tongue]]. Read through the whole article and you will see it covers all your doubts on these phrases. Your explanation is overextended and that is where the problem came from.

:A little search on Simplified Chinese Google also yeild the following results:
:* "第一语言" 6690 results [http://www.google.com/search?hl=zh-CN&q=%22%E7%AC%AC%E4%B8%80%E8%AF%AD%E8%A8%80%22&btnG=Google+%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2&lr=lang_zh-CN]
:* "母語" 18300 results [http://www.google.com/search?hl=zh-CN&q=%22%E6%AF%8D%E8%AA%9E%22&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2&lr=lang_zh-CN]
:Hence if these two phrases are equivalent and one is more constantly used than the other, we of course have no reasons to opt for the uncommon one. -- [[User:Gsklee|G.S.K.Lee]] 04:17, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

There are subtle differences among [[First language]], [[Native language]], [[Mother tongue]]. Otherwise there should exist only one word. And in this circustance. I'm choosing the right word. "母語" is more frequently used than "第一语言" doesn't justify that "母語" is more appropriate than "第一语言" here. [[User:Edipedia|Edipedia]] 18:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

:You see this is the problem. According to that article's first sentence, "a person's '''first language''', '''native language''' or '''mother tongue''' is the language that was learnt first by the person." This definition I agree, which implies 第一語言 = 母語. However you believe otherwise, that there are "subtle differences" between these terms.

:How about we raise this question in that article's [[Talk:First language|talk page]] and let more experts on this topic examine the problem? Then we shall see whether this template needs to be remade to your version or not. 

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:This is the original Babel template for the -N rank.

-- [[User:Gsklee|G.S.K.Lee]] 08:57, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Simplified Chinese first ==
Mainland Chinese is the majority. So simplified Chinese should be put in the first place.  UN has decided not to use traditional Chinese anymore.


==Template:User ch==
* This template should be about Chamoru, as the Wikipedia language key says "ch" is [[Chamoru]]. As it was put up for [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion|TfD]], and likely to be deleted, a copy is placed here in case someone want to use the wording of the nonstandard chinese user template.

<div style="float:left;border:solid #6ef7a7 1px;margin:1px;">
{| cellspacing="0" style="width:238px;background:#c5fcdc;"
| style="width:45px;height:45px;background:#6ef7a7;text-align:center;font-size:14pt;" | '''[[Ｍandarin chinese|ch]]'''
| style="font-size:8pt;padding:4pt;line-height:1.25em;" | 這個用戶的母語是 ''' <!-- [[:Category:User ch| --> 國語 <!-- ]] -->'''.<!-- [[Category:User ch|{{PAGENAME}}]][[Category:User ch-N|{{PAGENAME}}]] -->
|}

<div style="float:left;border:solid #6ef7a7 1px;margin:1px;">
{| cellspacing="0" style="width:238px;background:#c5fcdc;"
| style="width:45px;height:45px;background:#6ef7a7;text-align:center;font-size:14pt;" | '''[[Ｍandarin chinese|zh]]'''
| style="font-size:8pt;padding:4pt;line-height:1.25em;" | 這個用戶的母語是 '''[[:Category:User zh|國語]]'''. [[:Category:User zh|{{PAGENAME}}]][[:Category:User zh-N|{{PAGENAME}}]]
|}
</div></div>{{clear}}

== Simplified/traditional ==

Does anyone know how/whether this template could include a switch to specify whether simplified or traditional characters are used? <b>[[User:Audacity|<span style="color:black;">Λυδ<span style="color:blue;">α</span>cιτγ</span>]]</b> 04:57, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

:OK, I think I figured it out. Change the info section to this:
<pre>
| info     = {{#switch:{{{char|}}}
 | simp = {{{4|该用户的'''[[:Category:User zh-N|母语]]'''是'''[[:Category:User zh|中文]]'''。}}}
 | trad = {{{4|該用戶的'''[[:Category:User zh-N|母語]]'''是'''[[:Category:User zh|中文]]'''。}}}
 | {{{4|該用戶的'''[[:Category:User zh-N|母語]]'''是'''[[:Category:User zh|中文]]'''。<br /><span lang="zh-Hans" xml:lang="zh-Hans">该用户的'''[[:Category:User zh-N|母语]]'''是'''[[:Category:User zh|中文]]'''。}}}}}
</pre>
:Then {{tld|User zh|char{{=}}simp}}, {{tld|User zh|char{{=}}trad}}, and {{tld|User zh}} will produce the following (note that the original remains unchanged):
{{User zh|char=simp}}
{{User zh|char=trad}}
{{User zh}}
{{clear}}
:Any objections to me making this change here, and similar changes to zh-0, zh-1, etc.? <b>[[User:Audacity|<span style="color:black;">Λυδ<span style="color:blue;">α</span>cιτγ</span>]]</b> 02:50, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
::Done. <b>[[User:Audacity|<span style="color:black;">Λυδ</span>]][[User talk:Audacity|<span style="color:blue;">α</span>]][[User:Audacity|<span style="color:black;">cιτγ</span>]]</b> 03:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC)