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== Initial documentation ==
This template easily formats wikilinks to [[warship]] articles so as to synchronize [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships)|Wikipedia's article titling policy]] with common body-text usage.  It cuts the amount of piping to a minimum, inserts italics in the appropriate place, and (arguably) makes deciphering the markup somewhat easier.

To insert a wikilink to warship, insert the below string:
 '''<nowiki>{{Ship|prefix|name|hull number}}</nowiki>'''
For example, to create {{Ship|HMS|Vanguard|S28}} (which is automatically linked to [[HMS Vanguard (S28)]]), insert
 '''<nowiki>{{Ship|HMS|Vanguard|S28}}</nowiki>'''
Or, to create {{Ship|USS|Nimitz|CVN-68}} (linked to [[USS Nimitz (CVN-68)]]), insert
 '''<nowiki>{{Ship|USS|Nimitz|CVN-68}}</nowiki>'''

[[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:14, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

== [[Main page]] usage ==

Shouldn't this template be protected, since it is transcluded onto the main page? [[User:ANNAfoxlover|<span style="background:lightblue"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="color: #c000ac;">A•N•N•A</span></span></span>foxlov]][[User:ANNAfoxlover/MSE|'''e''']][[User talk:ANNAfoxlover|<big>r</big>]] [[User:ANNAfoxlover/Autographs|<small><span style="color: #c0c0e0;">'''''hello!'''''</span></small>]] 20:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

== Alternatives ==

You may want to use {{tl|USS}} or {{tl|HMS}}.  They are a bit shorter to type, and now offer some (optional) flexibilty about what to display.
  <nowiki>{{Ship|USS|Enterprise|CVN-65}} would be equal to {{USS|Enterprise|CVN-65|6}}</nowiki>.
It really gets shorter if you want to display the hull number, such as {{HMS|Repulse|1916}} from.
  <nowiki>{{HMS|Repulse|1916}}</nowiki>
More reasoning on [[Template talk:USS]]. --[[User:J Clear|J Clear]] 23:20, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== Apparently Meaningless Terminal 6 ==
In the example <nowiki>{{USS|Enterprise|CVN-65|6}}</nowiki>, the final '6' has meaning?  If so, what?

Yours utterly baffled.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] 20:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

:Option 6 looks like a feature used in {{tl|HMS}} and {{tl|USS}}, but not in ''this'' template.  --[[User:Kralizec!|Kralizec!]] ([[User talk:Kralizec!|talk]]) 00:51, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

== Feature request ==

The question above from {{User|Toddy1}} got me thinking.  Could someone with a better understanding of template parser functions add some of the functionality of {{tl|HMS}} and {{tl|USS}} into this template?  Specifically I feel the following optional display control parameters would be very useful (note that #6 below works as the default on HMS/USS, while option #6 on HMS/USS works as the default on {{tl|warship}}):

{|style="border-style:solid;border-width:1px;border-color:#000000;background-color:#EFEFEF" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" width="100%"
 |- style="background-color:#FCFCFC" align="left"
 ! Template usage
 ! Equivalent wikicode
 ! Final result
 |-
 | <nowiki>{{Ship|Russian battleship|Petropavlovsk|1914|2}</nowiki>}
 | <nowiki>[[Russian battleship Petropavlovsk (1914)|''Petropavlovsk'']]</nowiki>  
 | [[Russian battleship Petropavlovsk (1914)|''Petropavlovsk'']]
 |-
 | <nowiki>{{Ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|1}}</nowiki>
 | <nowiki>[[HMCS Kootenay (H75)|H75]]</nowiki>
 | [[HMCS Kootenay (H75)|H75]]
 |-
 | <nowiki>{{Ship|SMS|Oldenburg|1910|6}}</nowiki>
 | <nowiki>[[SMS Oldenburg (1910)|SMS ''Oldenburg'' (1910)]]</nowiki>
 | [[SMS Oldenburg (1910)|SMS ''Oldenburg'' (1910)]]
 |-
 | <nowiki>{{Ship|French submarine|Le Redoutable|S 611|5}}</nowiki>
 | <nowiki>[[French submarine Le Redoutable (S 611)|French submarine (S 611)]]</nowiki>
 | [[French submarine Le Redoutable (S 611)|French submarine (S 611)]]
 |}

Thoughts?  Suggestions?  Volunteers?  [[Image:Smiley.svg|15px]]  --[[User:Kralizec!|Kralizec!]] ([[User talk:Kralizec!|talk]]) 01:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

==Transclusion cost/benefit?==
I recently edited the [[Tribal class destroyer (1936)]] page to replace many confusing links to vessels with this template, however these were reverted shortly afterward and the editor pointed me toward the [[:Wikipedia:Transclusion costs and benefits]] while noting on my talk page that this template is too taxing for server processing.  Does anyone have any thoughts about this?  I would argue that the benefits of standardizing and simplifying links to articles on vessels, not to mention the kilobytes saved, would trump any minuscule increase in server effort....Thanks!  [[User:Plasma east|Plasma east]] 15:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

:If I may make a suggestion ... bring this up at the [[WP:SHIPS]] talk page.  That ways it will be seen by heaps more eyes!   --[[User:Kralizec!|Kralizec!]] ([[User talk:Kralizec!|talk]]) 15:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

== Standardization ==

I've asked [[User:TomTheHand|TomTheHand]] to modify this template's syntax to include the optional display parameters used in {{tl|HMS}}, {{tl|USS}}, and {{tl|USNS}}. To bring this template in agreement with the others, after the change, the default output ''will'' display the prefix, name, and pennant/hull number. (This change of default output will not adversely affect existing articles, as the syntax of preexisting transclusions will be modified to produce the same output as before.) More important, of course, is that you'll be able to control display using parameters that are familiar from our other templates. [[User:Maralia|Maralia]] ([[User talk:Maralia|talk]]) 15:20, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I posted the following to Maralia's talk, but figured I'd post it here too to get better exposure.  Please give feedback!  Once we're all satisfied I'll copy it from my user space to here.
I've done a little work on the {{tl|warship}} issue, but I've run into some problems.  First, the good news:
{|cellpadding=5
!Template usage
!Equivalent wikicode
!Final result
|-
|<nowiki>{{User:TomTheHand/warship|USS|Enterprise|CVN-65}}</nowiki>
|<nowiki>[[USS Enterprise (CVN-65)|USS ''Enterprise'' (CVN-65)]]</nowiki>
|{{User:TomTheHand/warship|USS|Enterprise|CVN-65}}
|-
|<nowiki>{{User:TomTheHand/warship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|6}}</nowiki>
|<nowiki>[[HMCS Kootenay (H75)|HMCS ''Kootenay'']]</nowiki>
|{{User:TomTheHand/warship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|6}}
|-
|<nowiki>{{User:TomTheHand/warship|HMCS|Ottawa|H60|3}}</nowiki>
|<nowiki>[[HMCS Ottawa (H60)|''Ottawa'']]</nowiki>
|{{User:TomTheHand/warship|HMCS|Ottawa|H60|2}}
|-
|colspan=3|Essentially, if you supply it with a prefix, ship name, and classification symbol, you can then use the same spiffy output configuration options as in {{tl|USS}}.
|-
|colspan=3|Now, the bad news:
|-
!Template usage
!Equivalent wikicode
!Final result
|-
|<nowiki>{{User:TomTheHand/warship|Japanese battleship|Yamato|2}}</nowiki>
|<nowiki>[[Japanese battleship Yamato (2)|Japanese battleship ''Yamato'' (2)]]</nowiki>
|{{User:TomTheHand/warship|Japanese battleship|Yamato|2}}
|-
|<nowiki>{{User:TomTheHand/warship|Japanese battleship|Yamato|4=2}}</nowiki>
|<nowiki>[[Japanese battleship Yamato|''Yamato'']]</nowiki>
|{{User:TomTheHand/warship|Japanese battleship|Yamato|4=2}}
|-
|colspan=3|You can't just supply it with a prefix, a ship name, and an output type.  The third parameter you pass in is interpreted as the classification symbol.  You've got to specifically set the fourth parameter (output type).  I'd like for it to accept something more intuitive, like disp=2, but I'm not sure how to do that while still making it automatically understand four parameters if you supply it that way. [[User:TomTheHand|TomTheHand]] ([[User talk:TomTheHand|talk]]) 01:56, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
|}
:I think this is more intuitive:
::<nowiki>{{User:TomTheHand/warship|Japanese battleship|Yamato||2}}</nowiki> produces {{User:TomTheHand/warship|Japanese battleship|Yamato||2}}
:It's less characters than '4=2' or 'disp=2' also. [[User:Maralia|Maralia]] ([[User talk:Maralia|talk]]) 06:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Oooh... I didn't realize you could do that.  Spiffy.  Ok, I'll copy the updated template from my user space tonight. [[User:TomTheHand|TomTheHand]] ([[User talk:TomTheHand|talk]]) 21:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Change request for parameter audit ==

{{tlx|editprotected}}

Request that the line

<nowiki>-->]]</includeonly><noinclude></nowiki>

be changed to read

<nowiki>-->]]{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|HMCS|{{voidd|{{WP Ships HMCS instances}}}}}}</includeonly><noinclude></nowiki>

This modification would make no visible change to the template's operation, but [[Help:Template#Monitoring_parameter_usage|helps generate a list]] of occurrences of <nowiki>{{ship|HMCS}}</nowiki>.  Cheers. <span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;"><span style="color:Blue;" >[[User:Haus|<big>H</big>aus]]</span><sup><small>[[User_talk:Haus|<span style="color:Green;">Talk</span>]]</small></sup></span> 19:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, please use [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Ship/sandbox&oldid=255269218 this version] of the sandbox template (less the sandbox notice). It incorporates Haus' request plus additional code for tracking the parameters ''USS'', ''HMS'', ''HMAS'', and ''HMNZS''. I have tested the code on the [[Template:Ship/testcases|testcases]] page. This version also eliminates the text that displays on the template page that is now superfluous with the current template documentaion. — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 20:34, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

::[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP -->. --[[User:Kralizec!|Kralizec!]] ([[User talk:Kralizec!|talk]]) 22:46, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

=== Links for parameter audits ===
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WP_Ships_HMAS_instances HMAS]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WP_Ships_HMCS_instances HMCS]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WP_Ships_HMNZS_instances HMNZS]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WP_Ships_HMS_instances HMS]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WP_Ships_USS_instances USS]
— [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 23:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

{{tlx|editprotected}}
Please update the template to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Ship/sandbox&oldid=266556927 this version] in the [[Template:Ship/sandbox|sandbox]] (less the sandbox template notice at the top). This eliminates the code snippet:

:<code><nowiki>{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|HMCS|{{voidd|{{WP Ships HMCS instances}}}}}}{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|HMAS|{{voidd|{{WP Ships HMAS instances}}}}}}{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|HMNZS|{{voidd|{{WP Ships HMNZS instances}}}}}}{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|USS|{{voidd|{{WP Ships USS instances}}}}}}{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|HMS|{{voidd|{{WP Ships HMS instances}}}}}}</nowiki></code>

that was intended to track usage of this template with certain prefixes. Example: when ''USS'' is used as a prefix, the [[redlink]]ed template {{tlx|WP Ships USS instances}} is transcluded, which, in theory, allows one to determine usage (by looking at "What links here" for use {{tlx|WP Ships USS instances}}). Then the specific {{tlx|USS}} could be used instead of this, the more generic template. However, since {{tlx|USS}} and others of the same functionality already themselves call {{tlx|Ship}}, the redlinked template is called for all uses of the prefix whether through {{tlx|Ship}} or {{tlx|USS}} making it impossible to determine which template was invoked, and making this bit of code unnecessary and needlessly complicating many pages. — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 17:35, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

:Done, though if you look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Ship&action=edit the source code], does the sandbox notice need to be removed as well? Thanks, [[User:Woody|Woody]] ([[User talk:Woody|talk]]) 17:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

::Yes, it should. :) — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 17:58, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Done, regards, [[User:Woody|Woody]] ([[User talk:Woody|talk]]) 18:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

== Another edit request ==

{{tlx|editprotected}}
Please replace this second line of the template code:
* <code><nowiki>-->[[{{{1}}} <!--</nowiki></code>
with this line:
* <code><nowiki>-->{{#if:{{{up|}}}|{{{1}}}&amp;#32;}}[[{{{1}}} <!--</nowiki></code>
This will add the capability for optional output with the ship prefix unlinked. This is useful for situations where the prefix is of the sort like "Japanese battleship". So if the desired output is:
* Japanese battleship [[Japanese battleship Yamato|''Yamato'']]
one will be able to type:
* <code><nowiki>{{ship|Japanese battleship|Yamato||2|up=yes}}</nowiki></code>
rather than:
* <code><nowiki>Japanese battleship {{ship|Japanese battleship|Yamato||2}}</nowiki></code>
The new optional parameter is a named (vs. numbered only) parameter and should not affect any uses of the template unless explicitly invoked. Thanks. — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 17:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:{{Done}}, regards, [[User:Woody|Woody]] ([[User talk:Woody|talk]]) 18:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::Wow. That was fast. Thanks, Woody. — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 18:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Ignore leading/trailing spaces in parameters ==

An editor recently accidentally put a space before the second parameter, as in <code><nowiki>{{ship|Japanese battleship| Musashi }}</nowiki></code>. This resulted in an extra space being put between "battleship" and "Musashi." While I realize that the error is easily correctable, it would seem desirable to have the code self-correct such errors. Would it be possible for this template to ignore leading spaces in parameters? [[User:Mamyles|Mamyles]] ([[User talk:Mamyles|talk]]) 22:15, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

==Module:WPSHIPS utilities==
{{anchor|Notes}}
@[[User:DePiep|DePiep]]: Sometime ago I wrote some Lua code in [[Module:WPSHIPS utilities]]:
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75}}
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|1}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|1}}
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|2}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|2}}
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|3}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|3}}
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|4}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|4}}
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|5}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|5}}
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|6}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|6}}
it fixed the {{para|up}} bug:
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|up=yes}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|up=yes}}
and does a better job of error reporting than the current live version:
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship||Kootenay|H75}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship||Kootenay|H75}}
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay||1}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay||1}}
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS||H75|2}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS||H75|2}}
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay||3}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS|Kootenay||3}}
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship||Kootenay|H75|5}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship||Kootenay|H75|5}}
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS||H75|6}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:WPSHIPS utilities|ship|HMCS||H75|6}}
You might want to have a look and perhaps implement that module function.  I think that all that it is missing is categorization.

—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 11:58, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
:I see. I've noted (written down) several more quirks to look at. - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 12:03, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks {{U|Trappist the monk}} for pointing me to this. This is my opinion: sure the template should use this Lua module in the long run. However, as of today the module needs more development and full testing. But currently I don't have the time & resources to dive into this. I propose this:
::1. I finalize edits & tests in the /sandbox, then announce it (at this talkpage), to go live in a few days.
::2. Any time after this, someone can finalize and test the module code, then switch to Lua by proper process.
::The point is, I am almost done editing & testing code, and using a refined parsing version does no harm. Especially not wrt switching over to the module any time later. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 10:54, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
* FWIW: there are two types of template: {{tl|ship}} including {{tl|HMS}} shortcuts, and {{tl|MV}} which has its own code (as have all the propulsion templates SV, SS, SV, SP, MY, MS). There is also the {{tl|Sclass}} set. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 14:57, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

===Sclass===
* [[Zumwalt-class destroyer]] does not use a template in its lede. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 23:50, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

===Slashing MS into M/S===
For the record. The module should notice (functional change).

* I have turned {{tlf|MS}} into calling '''regular {{tlf|ship}}''' code [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:MS&diff=830731679&oldid=577888778]. As those other 50 {{tlf|USS}}, {{tlf|HMS}} shortcuts do.

* Next to {{tlf|MS}} I have created '''{{tl|M/S}}'''. The slash alters the label (what shows), but not the target page. There are seven slashed prefix templates like this.

Before today, the slash was a extra numbered option in {{tlf|MS}} (8, 14). Now, even {{tlf|M/S}} follows the 1&ndash;6 label options. And the tracking categories. No backlog usage existing (all previous usages of such 8 and 14 have been edited). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 22:20, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Proposed template changes ==

I propose to make the following changes to {{tl|Ship}}. See also the [[Template:Ship/testcases|/testcases]]. Please don't feel intimidated by this brick of text ;-). Most of it is quite obvious, also I tried to demo it etcetera. Please comment [[#Comments|below]].

===Useful links and language===
:See [[Template:Ship/testcases|/testcases]]
:'''Prefix''' shortcut templates: found ~50 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3AShip&namespace=10]; {{tl|WPSHIPS shortcut templates}} is incomplete and possibly outdated.
:'''Tracking categories''', new. <small>(Both, while in test phase, are not used. They will be populated when this goes live -- for mainspace pages only)</small>:
::{{cl|WPSHIPS: Template Ship parameter errors}}
::{{cl|Pages using Ship with unknown parameters}}
:'''Wording''':
:''page'', ''label'' (targetpage and wikilabel): parts of the wikilink <code><nowiki>[[page|label]]</nowiki></code>
:{{para|1}}: prefix ("HMS")
:{{para|2}}: name ship's name ("Invincible")
:{{para|3}}: disambiguator, like: hull number, year of launch, ... ("H75")
:{{para|4}}: format setting. Options: {{para|4|(blank), (omitted), 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}}

===Content===
* '''C1''' (format=4): When format {{para|4|4}}: no error, no message, treat as default ({{para|4|(blank)}}). IOW: treat as regular option, no exception calling in /documentation. See [[Template:Ship/testcases#Test_up=yes,_no,_blank|demo]].
* '''C2''' (format=5): When no name is used in the label, then don't add brackets to hull number (format code 1 vs 5).
::Also: in these cases, show hull number (ID) in italics (See [[#Comment]] by Trappist the monk).
:{|class=wikitable style="font-size:90%"
|-
! id
! Template usage
! Current result
! Sandbox version
|-
| format=none (basic)
| <nowiki>{{ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75}}</nowiki>
| [[HMCS&#32;Kootenay&#32;(H75)|HMCS&nbsp;''Kootenay''&nbsp;(H75)]]
| {{ship/sandbox|HMCS|Kootenay|H75}}
|-
| format=1 ''(italics)''
| <nowiki>{{ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|1}}</nowiki>
| [[HMCS&#32;Kootenay&#32;(H75)|H75]]
| [[HMCS&#32;Kootenay&#32;(H75)|''H75'']]
|-
| format=5 ''(changes)''
| <nowiki>{{ship|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|5}}</nowiki>
| [[HMCS&#32;Kootenay&#32;(H75)|HMCS&nbsp;(H75)]]
| [[HMCS&#32;Kootenay&#32;(H75)|HMCS&#32;''H75'']]
|}
:{{small|1=Results are hardcoded to maintain the point}}

* '''C3''' (no subst): Remove option "<nowiki>{{subst:Ship}}</nowiki>"
::1. Many of the shortcuts do ''not'' apply it (do not pass through), so they fail to subst with ugly result.
::2. subst is counterproductive: we ''loose'' the tracking of that ship.

* '''C4''' <s>(page parameter): Add new parameter {{para|page}}. It will overwrite as target page, label formatting unchanged. Allows to solve any link-vs-formatting issue, that is: formatting job still usable, without having to evade the template. IOW: another ship's name catched for tracking, instead of an editor going handcoding ;-)See [[Template:Ship/testcases#Parameter:_page|demo]].</s> ''withdrawn, see [[#Comment]]s.'' 

* '''C5''' (nolink): ''Not in sandbox, asking for opinions only'': Add option "Do not wikilink, format as instructed" (new options {{para|4|10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16}}). This invites the editor to use standard formatting throughout, and allows us to track more ships. Would yield "HMCS ''Kootenay'' (H75)": well-formatted, not linked, and tracked through {{tlf|Ship}}. Opinions?

* '''C6''' (hull number missing): When {{para|3}} was required and missing, the message "Hull Number Missing" appeared in the article. This message is removed (and the page is categorised)

:{|class=wikitable style="font-size:90%"
|-
! Row id
! Template usage
! Live version
! Sandbox version
|-
| format=1
| <nowiki>{{ship|HMCS|Kootenay||1}}</nowiki>
| {{ship|HMCS|Kootenay||1}}
| {{ship/sandbox|HMCS|Kootenay||1}}
|-
| format=3
| <nowiki>{{ship|HMCS|Kootenay||3}}</nowiki>
| {{ship|HMCS|Kootenay||3}}
| {{ship/sandbox|HMCS|Kootenay||3}}
|-
| format=5
| <nowiki>{{ship|HMCS|Kootenay||5}}</nowiki>
| {{ship|HMCS|Kootenay||5}}
| {{ship/sandbox|HMCS|Kootenay||5}}
|}

:''Please [[#Comment]] below''

===Maintenance===
* Use {{cl|WPSHIPS: Template Ship parameter errors}} (new and dedicated)
:Also lists warnings (that is: to be checked, not an error per se).
:Warning/error types result in sort values (no name=N; {{para|up|foo}}=U, etc.).
* No error message inline (see {{para|4|4}} change)
* {{para|up}}: when {{para|up|yes, y, 1, true}}, prevent repeating the prefix (remove waring from documentation).
: Track & edit ambiguous option {{para|up|foo}}
* Tracked:
:{{para|up}} Should be yes/y/1/true; no means no; +categorise when unclear like {{para|up|foo}}
:{{para|4|4}} Was: "Invalid Optional Parameter" error message. Now: returns the default ({{para|4|&lt;blank>}}, and categorise
:{{para|4|(omitted), (blank), 1,2,3,4,5,6}}, otherwise categorise
:{{para|2|(missing)}}: ship's name missing, categorise
:{{para|3|(missing)}} AND {{para|4|1,3,5}}: ship's (disambiguator) missing while explicitly asked for, categorise
:{{para|page|(used)}} New parameter, track to check
* Use {{cl|Pages using Ship with unknown parameters}} (new and dedicated) (See [[Template:Ship/testcases#Unknown_parameter_used|tests]])

* Adjust documentation (and remove two elaborate distracting warnings).

:''Please [[#Comment]] below''

===Postponed===
This is a first sweep of easy checks and changes, the low hanging fruit. In the near future, [[Module:WPSHIPS utilities]] could be finalised and used (see also [[#Module:WPSHIPS utilities|above]]). It can introduce smarter checks. For example:
:Error checking: returns redlink (expensive)?
:Error checking: returns DAB page (expensive)?
:Any true logic on missing parts (when is "HMS D123" identifying and so missing name is no error)?
:Can hardcoded prefix variants, like {{tl|MV}}, be brought under {{tlf|Ships}}?
:Use more specific error categories
:...

* -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 14:35, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

===Comments===
I have these thoughts and comments:
I have these thoughts and comments:
#I have changed the pseudo heading 'Links and language' to an actual heading
#move {{cl|Pages using Ship with unknown parameters}} to {{cl|WPSHIPS: Template Ship using unknown parameters}} so that WPSHIPS error categories are similarly named
#Good point about format control value <code>5</code>; [[WP:NCSHIPS#Ships with hull number only|WP:NCSHIPS]] says that ship names that consist of prefix and hull number italicize the hull number (as if the hull number were a 'name') so:
#:<code><nowiki>{{ship/sandbox|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|5}}</nowiki></code> should render as:
#::<code><nowiki>[[HMCS&#32;Kootenay&#32;(H75)|HMCS&#32;''H75'']]</nowiki></code>
#:::[[HMCS&#32;Kootenay&#32;(H75)|HMCS&#32;''H75'']]
#I concur that this template should not be subst'd
#I'm not sure that I see much benefit in {{para|page}}.  We have redirects that do the same thing in a standardized way.  I don't see a need to astonish readers when they land on {{HMS|Belfast|C35}} when they click {{HMCS|Kootenay|H75}}.
#providing a way to render an unlinked output seems sensible;  perhaps with the generically common {{para|link|no}}
#for the format control value <code>4</code>, the template currently renders 'Invalid Optional Parameter' linked to the ship article; the text we not 'No hull number' as described in §[[Template_talk:Ship#Maintenance|Maintenance]]
#There being rather more page watchers at [[WT:SHIPS]], you might consider posting a notice there.
—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 18:34, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
:At §[[Template_talk:Ship#Maintenance|Maintenance]], this is wrong:
::{{para|4|4}} Was: "No hull number" error message. Now: returns the default ({{para|4|&lt;blank>}}, and categorise
:should read:
::{{para|4|4}} Was: "Invalid Optional Parameter" error message. Now: returns the default ({{para|4|&lt;blank>}}, and categorise
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 13:29, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Please stop editing my posts.  I have extracted your replies below.
—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 15:01, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

::{{U|Trappist the monk}} Are you serious? How do you expect me reply to an 8-threaded post? You think readers/editors really gonna solve the puzzle which-reply-belongs-to-which-number? I say this: leave my replies alone, they are replies (''not'' edits to your post). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 22:03, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

*Below are my replies to the [[User:Trappist the monk]] post. Against [[WP:TPO|Talkpage convention]], Trappist the monk set them apart so they are made senseless this way. - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 22:15, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

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:I took the pattern from {{cl|Unknown parameters}}, but I will change this if it is supported. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 14:37, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:
:Linking to ''Belfast'' is just an extreme example, incidentally {{HMCS|Kootenay|H75}} already links to a redirect (to another name). This parameter is useful when the article name does not follow the pattern, like [[Spray (sailing vessel)]]. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 14:37, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:
:OK. This is for format 1 and 5 then? - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 14:37, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
::There may be cases where it is desirable to link just the hull/pennant number though I'm not sure what those cases might be.  Regardless, I don't think that <code><nowiki>{{HMCS|Kootenay|H75|1}}</nowiki></code> should render a stand-alone hull/pennant number in italics.  My comment above was only for <code><nowiki>{{HMCS|Kootenay|H75|5}}</nowiki></code> which should comply with [[WP:NCSHIPS#Ships with hull number only|WP:NCSHIPS]].
::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 15:32, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:Will add that one. Using the same parameter looks easier when copy/pasting the code. - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 14:37, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
::Then, perhaps instead of format codes <code>10</code>–<code>16</code>, prefix (or suffix) the code with a hyphen:
:::<code><nowiki>{{ship/sandbox|HMCS|Kootenay|H75|-5}}</nowiki></code> renders as:
::::<code><nowiki>HMCS&#32;''H75''</nowiki></code>
:::::HMCS&#32;''H75''
::But, neither of these 'solutions' will work for the default no-format-code condition which then suggests that {{para|link|no}} is the correct parameter.
::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 15:32, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:OK. Changed. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 14:24, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
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* I have withdrawn the proposal to "add {{para|page}}" that would allow linking to a non-systematic ship's article title. It appears that using {{para|3}} (hull number, aka disambiguation term) nicely covers wikipage DAB pagenaming, while option format=2 can show the clean label form. I understand that is no need or possibility for ''this'' form: article title has no ()-DAB needed, but label wants to show the hull number? Like: <code><nowiki>[[HMS Foo|HMS Foo (F123)]]</nowiki></code> {{nay}}. - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 14:19, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

===Result===
* {{yellow tick}} -- ready to go live. Todo: adjust documentation. - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 01:23, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

*{{done}}. Could use a red error warning in {{button|Preview}}. - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 16:37, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

:<noinclude>Warning in Preview: added.</noinclude> - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 18:37, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Created: tempaltes that add a slash: M/S ==

I have created a set like {{tl|M/S}} next to existing {{tl|MS}}. {{tlf|M/S}} shows a slashed prefix (the target page stays unslashed).

Before, this could be done by using format code 8 or 14 in {{tlf|MS}}. Now, both templates use the standard set of format options (numbers 1&ndash;6).

* use {{tl|MS}}: {{MS|Antenor|1957}}
* use {{tl|M/S}}: {{M/S|Antenor|1957}} (Target page unslashed: <nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[MS Antenor (1957)]]]])
* When the target pagename has a "/" slash, use {{tl|Ship}}:
:Target: <nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[S/Y Manitou]]]]
:Use: <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>ship|S/Y|Manitou}}</code> &rarr; {{ship|S/Y|Manitou}}

The template pairs are:
:{{tl|MV}}, {{tl|MS}} {{tl|MY}} {{tl|RV}} {{tl|SV}} {{tl|SY}}
:{{tl|M/V}}, {{tl|M/S}} {{tl|M/Y}} {{tl|R/V}} {{tl|S/V}} {{tl|S/Y}}

- [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 18:29, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Unlink option? ==
{{edit template protected|answered=yes}}
Is there an unlink option?  This would be useful where the name is to appear in section headings. In many cases, the name is then repeated in the following body text and the normal use of the template, and link, occurs there. Having an unlink option would allow both appearances to be made with (almost) the same wikitext, unlike at present where one is hand-coded and formatted. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 11:35, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
:{{reply|Andy Dingley}} prepared in sandbox: {{para|wl|no}} &rarr; unlinked & same format. See [[Template:Ship/testcases#The_default|/testcases]] and [[Template:Ship/testcases2|/testcases2]]. OK?
:Asking {{U|Ahecht}} to add safesubst to the sandbox ({{tl|Yesno}} is added in two places).
:When live & stable in {{tl|Ship}}, the [[Template:Ship/sandbox#See_also|prefix shortcuts]] like {{tlf|HMS}} can get the pass-through for {{para|wl}} (see {{tl|HMS/sandbox}}). - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 13:25, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Andy Dingley|DePiep}} [[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;'''Done'''<!-- Template:ETp --> --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 13:40, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
:This template must always be substed when used in section headings because links from watchlists and article histories to section headings that contain templates do not work.
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 13:50, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
::OK. {{para|wl|no}} can also be used in inline, when a ship's name is repeatedly used. - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 14:08, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
:::{{U|Ahecht}} Is safesubst working correct now? I have added some code (in the sandbox), <code><nowiki>{{Yesno|...}}</nowiki></code> (twice). If I understand <code>#safesubst:</code> well, these {{tlf|yesno}} additions need some <code>#safesubst</code> code too. I refer to your edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Ship/sandbox&diff=837921636&oldid=834073136&diffmode=source]. - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 14:08, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
::::{{ping|DePiep}} {{tl|Square bracket open}}, {{tl|Square bracket close}}, and {{tl|main other}} aren't substable, so I didn't bother fixing it. One of the dependent templates isn't substable. I will work on it a bit and see if I can figure it out. --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 14:18, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
::::<s>{{ping|DePiep}} I got it mostly working, but {{tl|main other}} will still show up when substed. --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 14:22, 30 July 2018 (UTC)</s>
::::{{ping|DePiep}} I did one final update, and it should subst cleanly now. Let me know if you see any other issues. --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 15:47, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for cleaning this up. - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 10:38, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

== Template making all subsequent text small ==
{{edit template protected|answered=yes}}
All pages invoking this template appear to be causing the rest of the text on the page to appear as small. Look on any page (including this talk page) to see that all of the text that follows an invocation of the template becomes small. I doubt this behavior is intended; any chance it can be fixed? [[User:Sheahunter1|Sheahunter1]] ([[User talk:Sheahunter1|talk]]) 04:56, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
:Try purging your browser and see if that helps. I had the same problem, and it ''seems'' to have solved the issue for me. See [[Wikipedia:Purge]] for more information. However, I don't know if purging is a permanent solution or not. - [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 05:33, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

:The problem has been resolved. It appears to be an issue with the "Close Square Bracket" template (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Square_bracket_close&diff=855421939&oldid=855419715). [[Special:Contributions/2601:601:1001:E120:4C16:D71C:9F09:C2DB|2601:601:1001:E120:4C16:D71C:9F09:C2DB]] ([[User talk:2601:601:1001:E120:4C16:D71C:9F09:C2DB|talk]]) 06:16, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ETp --> No changes necessary. [[User:Enterprisey|Enterprisey]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Enterprisey|talk!]]) 07:53, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 2 August 2019 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Ship|answered=yes}}
Please amend the template to {{tl|nowrap}} the ID parameter in the link text output. This is particularly necessary for hull numbers of American ships, in cases such as {{tnull|ship|USS|Maddox|DD-731}}, in which a line break may be unsuitably placed immediately before "731". &mdash;&nbsp;<span style="font-family:'Trajan Pro','Perpetua Titling MT',Perpetua,serif">'''[[User:Ravenpuff|<span style="color:#22254a">RAVEN</span><span style="color:#996e00">PVFF</span>]]'''</span>&nbsp;<b>&middot;</b> ''[[User talk:Ravenpuff|talk]]''&nbsp;<b>&middot;</b> 15:36, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
:{{Done}} — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 16:47, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

== Redirects to sections ==
{{Edit template-protected|answered=yes}}
If an invocation of {{tl|ship}} results in a redirect which redirects to a ''section'' of an article, then clicking the link takes the reader to the ''top'' of the article, not the specified section. For example:
*[[ISS Enterprise (NCC-1701)]] is a redirect to [[Starship Enterprise#Mirror universe]].
*But if you click the link produced by <nowiki>{{ship|ISS|Enterprise|NCC-1701}}</nowiki> (= {{ship|ISS|Enterprise|NCC-1701}}), it takes you to the ''top'' of [[Starship Enterprise]], not the nominated section. Can this be remedied?
[[User:DH85868993|DH85868993]] ([[User talk:DH85868993|talk]]) 03:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}} (by {{u|Trappist the monk}}) [[User:DH85868993|DH85868993]] ([[User talk:DH85868993|talk]]) 13:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)