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== Simplifications ==
As simlar to main, I have made a multi-purpouse template for see also, located at [[User:AzaToth/See also]], Do you think this and sibling templates should be replaced? [[User:AzaToth|AzaToth]] <sup>[[User_talk:AzaToth|talk]]</sup> 21:50, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Example:
<pre>
{{User:AzaToth/See also}}
{{User:AzaToth/See also|1}}
{{User:AzaToth/See also|1|2|3}}
{{User:AzaToth/See also|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}
</pre>
<nowiki>{{User:AzaToth/See also}}
{{User:AzaToth/See also|1}}
{{User:AzaToth/See also|1|2|3}}
{{User:AzaToth/See also|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}</nowiki><small>commented out pending maintenance. —[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 09:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)</small>

Simlar for '''see'''
<pre>
{{User:AzaToth/See}}
{{User:AzaToth/See|1}}
{{User:AzaToth/See|1|2|3}}
{{User:AzaToth/See|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}
</pre>
<nowiki>{{User:AzaToth/See}}
{{User:AzaToth/See|1}}
{{User:AzaToth/See|1|2|3}}
{{User:AzaToth/See|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}</nowiki><small>commented out pending maintenance. —[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 09:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)</small>

And for '''main'''
<pre>
{{User:AzaToth/Main}}
{{User:AzaToth/Main|1}}
{{User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3}}
{{User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}
</pre>
<nowiki>{{User:AzaToth/Main}}
{{User:AzaToth/Main|1}}
{{User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3}}
{{User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}</nowiki><small>commented out pending maintenance. —[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 09:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)</small>

All this templates are using the generic template [[User:AzaToth/Links]], so if subst, the code is not too strange.

By using <code><nowiki>{{subst:User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3}}</nowiki></code>
you get
<pre>
:''Main article{{if|2|s}}: {{User:AzaToth/Links|1|2|3|{{{4|}}}|{{{5|}}}|{{{6|}}}|{{{7|}}}|{{{8|}}}|{{{9|}}}|{{{10|}}}|{{{11|}}}|{{{12|}}}|{{{13|}}}|{{{14|}}}|{{{15|}}}|{{{16|}}}|{{{17|}}}|{{{18|}}}|{{{19|}}}|{{{20|}}}}}''
</pre>
if the Links code is included, you would get more code if it's substed:
<pre>
:''Main article{{if|2|s}}: {{if
  |test=1
  |then=[[1]]
}}{{if
  |test=2
  |then={{if|3|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[2]]
}}{{if
  |test=3
  |then={{if|{{{4|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[3]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{4|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{5|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{4|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{5|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{6|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{5|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{6|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{7|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{6|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{7|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{8|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{7|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{8|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{9|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{8|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{9|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{10|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{9|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{10|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{11|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{10|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{11|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{12|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{11|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{12|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{13|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{12|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{13|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{14|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{13|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{14|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{15|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{14|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{15|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{16|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{15|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{16|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{17|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{16|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{17|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{18|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{17|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{18|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{19|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{18|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{19|}}}
  |then={{if|{{{20|}}}|,&nbsp;|&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;}}[[{{{19|}}}]]
}}{{if
  |test={{{20|}}}
  |then=&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;[[{{{20|}}}]]
}}''
</pre>
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Oops, just had an edit conflict on the template, then immediately on this talk page.  We could demonstrate the usage and results of each template in the &lt;noinclude> section as below.  ''—[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2005-11-24&nbsp;21:59&nbsp;Z</small>''
:*remember that main and main2 are for the moment the same, consensus are waiting for final verdic. [[User:AzaToth|AzaToth]] <sup>[[User_talk:AzaToth|talk]]</sup> 22:01, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

<noinclude>
----

==See also==
* <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[template:Main |Main]] |article}} (takes up to twenty arguments)  {{Main |article}}
* <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[template:See|See]] |article}} {{See |article}}
* <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[template:See also |See also]] |article}} {{See also |article}}
</noinclude>

== Copied successful code from &#x7B;&#x7B;Main}} ==

I have copied the conditional code from {{tl|main}} which will allow for up to 9 parameters;
I have also added a test on the end which will alert a keen-eyed user who attempts to use more than that ;-):
 &#x7B;&#x7B;seealso|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10}}
gives you:
 {{See also|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10}}
HTH HAND [[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 17:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

== Piped links ==

What about piped links?  In [[Template:USCongDistState]], I've been using:
:<nowiki>''See also:'' [[U.S. Congressional Delegations from Massachusetts|Past and current delegations]] | [[U.S. Congressional Delegation from Massachusetts|Current delegation]] | [[List of United States Congressional districts|List of All United States Congressional districts]]</nowiki>

which was just replaced with:
:<nowiki>{{See also|U.S. Congressional Delegations from Massachusetts|U.S. Congressional Delegation from {{{state}}}|List of United States Congressional districts}}</nowiki>

But that killed my piped links.  Any suggestions? &mdash;''[[User_talk:Markles|Mark Adler <small>(markles)</small>]]'' 03:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

: [[WP:AUM|Don't use templates within other templates]].  -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 03:34, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

:* So what?  How would you suggest curing the piped links? &mdash;''[[User_talk:Markles|Mark Adler <small>(markles)</small>]]'' 04:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

::* Well, in this template, you can't use piped links. This is because it accepts one or more parameters, and parameters are separated by pipes.   [[Template:Further]] solves this by accepting only one parameter, which can include multiple piped or normal wikilinks. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 04:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

:::*Thanks!  Something to consider… &mdash;''[[User_talk:Markles|Mark Adler <small>(markles)</small>]]'' 05:12, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The semantics of this template should be changed.  It should be
: <nowiki>{{See also|[[article1]], [[article2]], and [[article3]]}}</nowiki>
I.e., the user provides the links and the commas.  There are three benefits to this change.  1) It avoids the current limit of 15 articles.  2) It doesn't require {{tl|qif}}.  3) You can do piped links however you want.  Note that MediaWiki is smart enough to interpret
: <nowiki>{{See also|[[article1|pipe1]], [[article2|pipe2]], and [[article3|pipe3]]}}</nowiki>
as you would hope.

There are around 1000 to 1500 articles that use Template:See_also.  Presumably these could be updated with a bot.  Do others think the change is a good idea?  [[User:Dbenbenn|dbenbenn]] | [[User talk:Dbenbenn|talk]] 21:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

:Yes, it is utterly brilliant of what is said in characteristic; I seriously endorse for this amelioration of functionality without any stint whatsoever. — <sup>[[User:Igni|ignis]]</sup> <span style="position: relative; left: -30px; margin-right: -30px;"><sub>[[User talk:Igni|''scri'']][[Special:Emailuser/Igni|pta]]</sub></span> 22:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

:Yes, since it is completely non-intuitive to have wikilinks in a template which don't use the standard wiki markup used in articles - the <nowiki>[[bracketed]]</nowiki> notation should be included. [[User:QmunkE|QmunkE]] 06:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

:Yes. Sounds like a great idea. --[[User:Rambutaan|Rambutaan]] 00:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

== What's the point? ==

So far as I can see, the main purpose of this is to make things difficult for new or infrequent editors.  It does nothing that the simple addition of a "See also" section doesn't.  --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]]  ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<span style="color:green;">Μελ Ετητης</span>]]) 20:07, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

: I tend to agree.  Also, this template is often used in sections where [[Template:Main article]] or [[Template:Further]] would be better. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 20:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::For the record, I disagree with both points; this template is intended for cross-reference from ''sections'', where a separate '''See also''' section would be too distant. It is not equivalent to either of Netoholic's suggested alternatives, since the wording differs, which will matter to some editors. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] 02:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


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== Broken indentation with left-floating images ==

[[Byzantine_Empire#Science_and_law]] - The "see also" template here, which has a left-floating image to the left of it, does not get indented like it does everywhere else. Is this a bug in this template, in MediaWiki, or in my browsers (Windows Firefox 1.5.0.1 and MSIE 6)? [[User:Hairy Dude|Hairy Dude]] 21:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

:The template seems fine, as the leading ":" should always work.  MediaWiki is generating
<pre>
    <div class="boilerplate seealso">
    <dl>
    <dd><i>
</pre>
just as it does everywhere else. So, I'd guess our browsers, as it works just fine with images off.  However, that image has nothing to do with the section it's in, and could easily be moved up or elsewhere.  And the page is much too long.  Summary style should summarize!
::--[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] 12:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

:For future reference, the problem was that only line boxes get compressed to avoid floats, not other types of boxes.  This is a rather obnoxious aspect of CSS 2.1 with no workaround that I know of except to give up and go back to tables.  The current working draft of the CSS3 box-model module defines a [http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-css3-box-20021024/#float-displace property] to correct this omission. —[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User talk:Simetrical|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Simetrical|contribs]]) 03:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Documentation update ==
I updated the template with the optional link-piping feature from {{tl|main}}, but I can't figure out how to properly display an example in the documentation. &ndash; [[User:Someguy0830|Someguy0830]] ([[User talk:Someguy0830|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Someguy0830|contribs]]) 20:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

==Punctuation issues with this template==

:''See also [[omphalology]].''

The final period above is necessary.

:''See also: [[omphalology]]''

Is it needed here?  I added it in an article.  It caused the link to fail!  Just a red link, where formerly a blue link appeared.

This template forbidding final punctuation annoys me because many people who edit Wikipedia think no final period is needed in thing like my first example above, and this may encourage that idea.  And I prefer the first format, in the interest of keeping things no more complicated than they really are. [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] 01:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

: Yes, it's cosmetic, but I think I'd prefer the template without the colon and with the period &ndash; or at least with the possibility of adding a period &ndash; especially when multiple parameters are used ("''See also [[Article X]], [[Article Y]][,] and [[Article Z]].''", etc). Regards, [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] <span style="font-size:90%;">([[User talk:David Kernow|talk]])</span> 07:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

==Make this Edit==
;unprotect/reprotect immediate edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Current_requests_for_significant_edits_to_a_protected_page change requested]: 

;What and why: Remove second link (Error message) to template talk--replace with link back to the template page, where the /doc page is displayed -- the current coding defeats the [[WP:DPP]] of minimal change impacts rippling through to the database. ('''Merely saving this page is going to affect the database in all those pages!!!)'''
:'''1)''' In the beginning logic, make the first error message read and link:<br/>{{spaces|2}}
'''<nowiki>[[Template:See also|Usage error: Template 'see also' must be given at least one ARTICLE Name(S)!]]</nowiki>'''
:'''2)''' Just make this verbatim edit replacement at '''''the 'IF# 16 line' through to the template logics nest if-then-else chain's end:'''''
<br>'''<nowiki>
}}{{#if:{{{16|}}}| -- '''[[Template:See also|<br>See also Usage Error#2: Too many links<br>MAXIMUM of 15 ARTICLES ALLOWED in this list<br>]]'''</nowiki>''' 

:'''3)''' The template call form '''<nowiki>{{/doc}}</nowiki>''' does not work on all Sister sites and I'm trying ready this for export (re: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject template sharing]]).<br/>{{spaces|2}}Hence please replace '''<nowiki><noinclude>{{/doc}}</noinclude> </nowiki>''' also with either string: '''<nowiki><noinclude> {{{{BASEPAGENAME}}/doc}}</noinclude></nowiki>''' or '''<nowiki><noinclude> {{{{PAGENAME}}/doc}}</noinclude> </nowiki>'''<br/>{{spaces|2}}Both are Magic words alternatives that will work on all sister projects while making the same edit.<br/>{{spaces|2}}Thanks... I'm suggesting other changes in the next section below, which need concensus. These two are 'no brainers'. Article space database updates should not link back to changes on talk pages! Best regards and thanks // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b>[[User talk:Fabartus|<span style="color:green;">nkB</span>]] 16:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
::Argh (clearing editprotected requests)! You've gone too technical for me.  Either wait for an admin with more knowhow to make the change, or please make it explicit on my talk page (put the exact section(s) of text that you want adding, and the exact section(s) of text that it needs to replace) and I'll do it. [[User:Proto|<span style="text-decoration:none">Proto</span>]]<i>::</i><small>[[User_talk:Proto|<span style="text-decoration:none">►</span>]]</small> 19:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

::Ditto, I'm baffeled. Maybe create your suggested replacement with a subpage of this talk and an admin can copy it (noting you in edit summary to comply to GDFL)! --[[User:Robdurbar|Robdurbar]] 09:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:::So Sorry -- I tried to be clear.<br/>{{spaces|2}}Look at the '''beginnings''' of the three <u>numbered '''lines'''</u> given as replacements above, and then match those to the template lines currently in place within an edit window.<br/>{{spaces|2}}Note: All changes involve a link, two of which are to the Template talk page, the other to the call to the '/doc' page. The pipe trick and message changed to a somewhat different one, but the [[curly braces]] are still the same... '''<nowiki>[[ A | B]] just becomes [[ C | D]] </nowiki>''' in the template proper. The [[Magic word]] 'PAGENAME' needs to precede '/doc' inside the [[WP:DPP]] fenced off call to the documentation.<br/>Replace said lines with the parts I have in BOLD above. If you can't match them, unprotect it for a few minutes and drop me a note and we can do that instead. (Can't blame you for the confusion--this many curly braces and pipes would give anyone pause). Regards // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b>[[User talk:Fabartus|<span style="color:green;">nkB</span>]] 16:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

== Error on template page ==

As of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:See_also&oldid=106505859 this edit], the template page reads: ''See also: '''Error: Template must be given at least one article name'''''. I thought templates were supposed to read something like ''See also: {{{1}}}''. —[[User:Frungi|Frungi]] 10:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
:Template pages usually read like that.  Subfields (or whatever they're called), like {{{1}}} here, aren't automatically provided, so the no-subfield error message is triggered.  --[[User:Zenohockey|zenohockey]] 22:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

== Can ==

Can we change this template so it can have infinite arguments? [[User:100110100|100110100]] 07:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

== "see also" cat ==

{{tl|editprotected}}

[[:Category:See also templates]] ∞[[User:Eep²|'''Σɛ<sub>Þ</sub>²''']] <sup>([[User_talk:Eep²|τ]]|[[Special:Contributions/Eep²|c]])</sup> 09:04, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
:{{tick}} '''Done'''. Note that you could have made this change yourself by editing {{tl|see also/doc}}. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 09:08, 28 June 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])

== Template for too big see alsos? ==
Do we have a template to indicate that a given see also section is too long (per MoS)?--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|&nbsp;Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&nbsp;]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></sub> 16:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== Punctuation ==

Shouldn't there be a full stop at the end?  --[[User:RFBailey|RFBailey]] ([[User talk:RFBailey|talk]]) 02:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:Why was a full stop added? I don't think there should be one, because it is not a complete sentence. {{tl|main}} does not have a full stop at the end, and I think that is the correct way to do it. [[User:Gary King|<span style="color:#02e;">Gary</span>&nbsp;<b style="color:#02b;"><i style="font-size:large;">K</i>ing</b>]]&nbsp;<span style="font-size:small;">([[User talk:Gary King|<span style="color:#02e;">talk</span>]])</span> 19:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
::Undone. -- <strong>[[User:Anonymous Dissident|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:DarkRed">Anonymous Dissident</span>]]</strong>[[User_talk:Anonymous Dissident|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span></sup>]] 21:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Great, thanks! Cheers. [[User:Gary King|<span style="color:#02e;">Gary</span>&nbsp;<b style="color:#02b;"><i style="font-size:large;">K</i>ing</b>]]&nbsp;<span style="font-size:small;">([[User talk:Gary King|<span style="color:#02e;">talk</span>]])</span> 21:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

== Added image? ==
:[[Image:Redirect arrow without text.svg|40px]]''See also:'' [[Banana|Bananas on Ice]]
Does anyone else think that adding an arrow like this might be a good idea? I notice that the ''See also:'' blends into the text and I think adding a small arrow like this one would be beneficial. Note that I just found that black redirect arrow on Wikimedia Commons, and I would gladly make a better one... perhaps one with a nice muted blue colour, and a little bit thicker. That black arrow is just there to get my idea across. Good idea? Necessary? -- [[User:Tkgd2007|Tkgd2007]] ([[User talk:Tkgd2007|talk]]) 21:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:Definitely not a good idea. Also, if this was added, you'd also have to bring it up for {{tl|main}}, {{tl|further}}, etc. because in my opinion, they should all be standardized to look the same in the case where you have a combination of them, then they don't stand out too much. Which brings me back to this; we want these links to not stand out that much; the italics works well, and should be enough to bring attention to them when they are needed. These templates already make noise by being placed immediately after section titles, so that should be sufficient. [[User:Gary King|<span style="color:#02e;">Gary</span>&nbsp;<b style="color:#02b;"><i style="font-size:large;">K</i>ing</b>]]&nbsp;<span style="font-size:small;">([[User talk:Gary King|<span style="color:#02e;">talk</span>]])</span> 07:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

{{[[Template:editprotected|editprotected]]}}<br />
Please apply {{diff|{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}/sandbox|213015355|213015280|this patch}}. [[User:16@r|16@r]] ([[User talk:16@r|talk]]) 10:41, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

:[[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]]<span style="display:none">Y</span> '''Done''' – [[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]]<sup>'''{'''<span class="plainlinks">[[User talk:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#000;">t</span>]].[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?user=Nihiltres <span style="color:#000">l</span>]</span>'''}'''</sup> 14:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

===another 080619===
{{tlx|editprotected}}

;purpose  and need:
* Expand so user can specify alternative wording (such as the {{tl|further}} and {{tl|see}} template's language:
<pre>
Simply Make:
    ''See also: {{#if:{{{1|}}} →
into:
→    ''{{{altphrase|See also}}}: {{#if:{{{1|}}} 
</pre>
Drop me a note when completed, and I'll handle the usage fix up. 
Thanks, <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b>[[User talk:Fabartus|<span style="color:green;">nkB</span>]] 15:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

:{{done}} [[User:PeterSymonds|PeterSymonds]] [[User talk:PeterSymonds|<small>(talk)</small>]] 21:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

== How to refer to sections ==

What's the preferred way to refer to a section?
{{See also|Foo#Bar}}
{{See also|Foo#Bar|l1=Foo: Bar}}
{{See also|Foo#Bar|l1=Foo, section Bar}}
Or something else entirely? I don't really like the first since it leaks HTML syntax to the reader. The second one is compact, whereas the third one is more explicit. What do you think? [[User:Gerbrant|Shinobu]] ([[User talk:Gerbrant|talk]]) 10:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:I made a similar request a few sections below (note, it's been almost a year...)  //[[USER:Blaxthos|Blaxthos]] <small>( [[User Talk:Blaxthos|t]] / [[Special:Contributions/Blaxthos|c]] )</small> 18:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

'''''Bump'''''. Couldn’t the template itself parse the referenced section and display it consistently? 16:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)~  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2A02:810B:240:DAC:C1EB:7592:3122:D996|2A02:810B:240:DAC:C1EB:7592:3122:D996]] ([[User talk:2A02:810B:240:DAC:C1EB:7592:3122:D996|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Edit protected ==

{{tlx|editprotected}}

On templates that use this, such as [[Template:Olympics bids]], the ''see also'' is preceded by an unnecessary colon. This can be corrected if the following is placed into the template

<pre>{{Namespace detect
| demospace = {{{demospace|}}}
| template =
| other = :}}</pre>

The effect: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&oldid=231640965 as it is now] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&diff=next&oldid=231640965 the diff] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&direction=next&oldid=231640965 the changed version]

This should replace the colon between ''<nowiki><includeonly></nowiki>'' and ''<nowiki><span class="boilerplate seealso"></nowiki>'' (at the beginning of the template). Thanks, <span style="font-size:80%;font-family:tahoma;">'''~ Ame<span style="font-family:arial;">I</span>iorate''' <sub>[[User:AmeIiorate|U]] [[User_talk:AmeIiorate|T]] [[Special:Contributions/AmeIiorate|C]]</sub> '''@'''</span> 06:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EP --> This will not work: it will correctly remove the colon on the template page itself, but wherever the template is transcluded, the {{tlx|namespace detect}} template will detect the ''local'' namespace and output the colon.  Although this issue does need to be solved, it can't be solved this way. [[User:Happy-melon|<span style="color:forestgreen;">'''Happy'''</span>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<span style="color:darkorange;">'''melon'''</span>]] 13:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

== Section link ==

Is it possible to direct this template to link a particular section within another article?  Something similar to <code><nowiki>{{See also|[[Article#section|text]]}}</nowiki></code>?  //[[USER:Blaxthos|Blaxthos]] <small>( [[User Talk:Blaxthos|t]] / [[Special:Contributions/Blaxthos|c]] )</small> 01:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

:Using today's TFA as an example, <code><nowiki>{{See also|Michael Tritter#storyline|l1=Storyline}}</nowiki></code> gives
{{See also|Michael Tritter#storyline|l1=Storyline}}
:which I assume is what you're after.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Tivedshambo|<span style="color:#7F0000">'''&nbsp;Tivedshambo&nbsp;'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User Talk:Tivedshambo|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Tivedshambo|c]]) 11:41, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

::Perfect!  Now if I could only remember what I wanted to use that for... :)  //[[USER:Blaxthos|Blaxthos]] <small>( [[User Talk:Blaxthos|t]] / [[Special:Contributions/Blaxthos|c]] )</small> 16:30, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Please clarify ... ==

I have been tempted to use this template at the very top of articles (e.g., see [[Judicial_review_in_the_United_States]]).  Another editor tells me I shouldn't do this, and points me to [[Wikipedia:Layout]] for the explanation -- however, no such explanation appears there.  The explanation on the project page says:
::"See also is used for small sets of see also information at the head of article sections according to Wikipedia:Layout."
Could you please modify this language to indicate whether or not it's permissible to use this template at the tops of articles?  Thanks [[User:Agradman|Agradman]]&nbsp;<small><sup>[[User talk:Agradman|cries when yelled at]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Agradman|makes occasional mistakes]]</sub></small> 03:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

:The links that appear at the top of articles are called hatnotes. Without exception that I know of, they are used only for disambiguating: see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation]]. The reason disambiguating links are allowed there is because they ''need'' to be immediately available to the reader; anywhere else and they'd be pretty much useless. There are two reasons "See also" (pointing to other potentially connected topics, which is not disambiguation) is ''not'' allowed:
:* There is a standard appendix called "See also" which (if it exists) should be reachable from the TOC, it's not necessary to put them at the top.
:* There can be ''dozens'' of "See also" links, Cluttering the start of the article is a Bad Thing - we want the reader to be able to find the lead section and get on with reading the article as quickly as possible. Allowing just one or two puts us on a slippery slope (see [[Zero One Infinity]]), so we just banish them completely from the top of the article.
:For the guidelines about hatnotes, see [[WP:HAT]]. [[User:Hairy Dude|Hairy Dude]] ([[User talk:Hairy Dude|talk]]) 03:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
::I've mentioned this case in [[WP:RELATED]]. [[User:Fgnievinski|fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 00:51, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

== Use of italics ==

It occurs to me that the formatting of this class of templates is less than ideal.  When printed, hyperlinks don't show, and it may read something like 
:''See also: Foo and Bar''
where it's not clear whether it's one article name or two.  One editor has suggested that article titles really ought to be in quotation marks, while I would prefer the article titles in roman:
:''See also'' Foo ''and'' Bar

In these cases we aren't using the article title as a normal word or phrase so they may be syntactically incorrect unless the [[use–mention distinction]] is observed.  Why is there a colon in this particular template anyway?  It is not logically required and varies both from what seems to be the standard format of hatnotes, and from inline cross-references (see below), neither of which use a colon.

There are article cross-references ("see also" section or hatnotes), section cross-references (like this template) and inline cross-references ({{xt|At this time France possessed the largest population in Europe (see [[Demographics of France]]}}).  I'm trying to start a discussion about the formatting of the last at [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#More italics clarification and inline .22see.22]] Please contribute there if you can.  --[[User:Cedders|Cedders]]<sup>[[User talk:Cedders|tk]]</sup> 16:03, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

:Remember that the template produces hyperlinks. Usually hyperlinked text is visually distinct from non-hyperlinked text, so we can tell the difference between "<nowiki>[[Foo]] and [[Bar]]</nowiki>" and "<nowiki>[[Foo and Bar]]</nowiki>" by the fact that "and" either is or isn't hyperlinked. Viz.:
:*[[Eric]] and [[Ernie]]
:*[[Eric and Ernie]]
:So I don't see that there's a problem. As for putting the titles in roman, that would suggest we would normally italicise them in the midst of roman text, which is not the case. [[User:Hairy Dude|Hairy Dude]] ([[User talk:Hairy Dude|talk]]) 03:27, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

==seealsolist|n==
It would be great to add a <nowiki>{{seealsolist|n}}</nowiki> template would agglomerate all see alsos at the foot of the article ala <nowiki>{{reflist|n}}</nowiki>.

== Please add cy ==

[[:cy:Nodyn:Gweler hefyd]]. -- '''[[User:Xxglennxx|<span style="color:green;">Xxglennxx</span>]]''' <sup>★''[[User talk:Xxglennxx|<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>]]''</sup><sub>''[[Special:Contributions/Xxglennxx|<span style="color:blue;">contributions</span>]]''★</sub> 23:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

== Editprotected request involving this template ==

This message is to inform people monitoring this talk page that there is an "editprotected" request involving this and several other templates at [[Template talk:!#Edit request from Cymru.lass, 28 December 2010|Template talk:!]] [[User:Cymru.lass|cymru.lass]] <sup>[[User talk:Cymru.lass|(hit me up)]]</sup>⁄<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Cymru.lass|(background check)]]</sub> 20:36, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== editprotect ==

{{tl|editprotected}}
This template shouldproduce a ''period'' at the and of the sentence (any sentence). So:
<pre>
{{{label 15|{{{l15}}}}}}}}]]
</pre>
should be like
<pre>
{{{label 15|{{{l15}}}}}}}}]].
</pre>
By the way, parameter 15 does not work out well. Which is quite relevant, since it is protected this tough. 
(now really, a <500 times used template is admin-only protected?)
-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 01:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:The template does not produce a compete sentence, so a period would not be appropriate. —'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]'''&nbsp;([[User talk:TheFarix|t]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/TheFarix|c]]) 19:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::Being a hatnote, it ''should'' produce a sentence, so end with a period -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 20:59, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Added, then removed [[Template_talk:See_also#Punctuation|in 2008]]. I'd like to see more support.--<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">[[User:Sphilbrick|<span style="background:#002868;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">SPhilbrick</span>]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|<span style="background:#ADD8E6;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">T</span>]]</span> 00:31, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Actually, it's quite heavily used — like you, I clicked WhatLinksHere for the template talk page and found fewer than 500 links.  However, [http://toolserver.org/~jarry/templatecount/index.php?lang=en&name=Template%3ASee+also#bottom this tool] shows the template as having 73,436 transclusions.  Its code doesn't really produce a sentence, so a period wouldn't be appropriate here.  [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 03:08, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
First: it ''is'' a sentence. Second: it should have a period as per [[Wikipedia:Hatnote#Format]]. Currently, it is the only hatnote that does not have a period (well, together with its brother {{tl|see also2}}). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 11:32, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

== Editprotect ==

{{FPER|answered=yes}}
;Request:
Replace all {{tl|see also}} code with all {{tlx|see also/sandbox}} code [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:See_also/sandbox&oldid=442189937 this] version)
;What has changed
See [[Template:See also/testcases]], pre-change
# I added the point to make it a complete sentence (in accordance with [[WP:Hatnote#format]], and congruent with almost [[:Template:Hatnote templates documentation|all other hatnote templates]]).
# Paramter #15, when used, gave wrong output; pipes added
# Removed second pipe in #14.
-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 12:11, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP --> -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<span style="color:green;">DQ</span>]][[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<span style="color:red;"> (t) </span>]] [[Special:EmailUser/DeltaQuad|<span style="color:blue;"> (e)</span>]] 13:15, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
:Where does it say that a period must end the hat note?  This hat note is a sentence fragment, not like some others which will make a sentence.  Other templates also are sentence fragments and do not use period for this reason.  This is just punctuation, which [[WP:MOS]] probably agrees.  I suggest removing the period, but I will let other editors opine.[[User:Curb Chain|Curb Chain]] ([[User talk:Curb Chain|talk]]) 08:56, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
::See [[WP:Hatnote#format]]. As noted in the edit request. And it ''is'' a complete sentence. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 16:29, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

== Remove dot ==
{{FPER|answered=yes}}

{{tl|Main}}, {{tl|see}}, {{tl|further}} and other similar templates do not have dots. There is no reason for this one (and {{tl|Category see also}}) to have one either. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|contribs]] / [[WP:PHYS|physics]] / [[WP:WBOOKS|books]]}</span> 23:29, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:I Object. [[Wikipedia:HATNOTE#Format]] says: ''A hatnote, being a sentence, ends with a period''. I nullify the editrequest. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 23:44, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
::[[WP:HATNOTE]] can say the Queen of England is named Willi Wonka, but it doesn't make it so. This hatnote is not a complete sentence, so should not take a dot. And it should especially not be inconstant with the other hatnotes like {{tl|Main}}, {{tl|see}}, {{tl|further}}, etc... <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|contribs]] / [[WP:PHYS|physics]] / [[WP:WBOOKS|books]]}</span> 00:00, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Controversial, so no change. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 00:13, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::By that logic, the change should never have been made in the first place, so should be reverted. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|contribs]] / [[WP:PHYS|physics]] / [[WP:WBOOKS|books]]}</span> 02:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

And I would also point out that it was you who added [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Hatnote&diff=435791167&oldid=432393344 the hatnote ends with period] thing to [[WP:HATNOTE]]. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|contribs]] / [[WP:PHYS|physics]] / [[WP:WBOOKS|books]]}</span> 02:38, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

:[[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]]<SPAN STYLE="display:none">Y</SPAN> '''Done'''  [[User:Bkonrad|older]] ≠ [[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 03:08, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

::Many thanks. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|contribs]] / [[WP:PHYS|physics]] / [[WP:WBOOKS|books]]}</span> 03:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Again, how is it not a sentence? -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 10:02, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:It is not a [[complete sentence]]. If you don't believe me, ask the mavens at [[WT:MOS]]. [[User:Bkonrad|older]] ≠ [[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 12:27, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

== Linking to subsections. ==

Linking to subsections looks quite ugly and unprofessional at the moment:
{{see also|Naked (Louise album)#Track listing}}

Could anyone fix this? [[User: Brightgalrs|'''<span style="color:#0645AD;">Brightgalrs</span>''']] (<span style="color:#0645AD">/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/</span>)<sup>[[User talk:Brightgalrs|<span style="color:#0645AD">[1]</span>]]</sup> 10:08, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

: I am assuming that the solution offered in the main template boilerplate (using a label l1,l2, etc. to hide the ugliness) doesn't work for you.  I have created a mock up of a possible solution in another template: <nowiki>{{See also subsection|features|conic section}}</nowiki> which displays as:

<nowiki>{{See also subsection|features|conic section}}</nowiki>

: As it stands it can only do one link which is probably a common enough case. If we wanted a more robust system that keeps everything in the same format then we might want to make a helper template that creates the 'section in article' phrase we need. For example if we create the helper template called <nowiki>{{sas}} then the following expression
{{seealso2|{{sas|features|equations|conic section}}|[[hyperbola]],{{sas|equations|ellipse}} will render as:</nowiki>

{{seealso2|[[conic section#features|features]] and [[conic section#equations|equations]] in the article [[conic section]]|[[hyperbola]]|[[equations#ellipse|equations]] in the article [[ellipse]]}}

: In the end though, I favor the simpler template following the philosophy that I saw on another software project 'Keep simple things simple and make complex things possible.'

:[[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]]) 18:03, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

== Conversion to Lua ==

I've created a Lua version of this template at [[Module:See also]]. It is mostly the same as this template, but has the benefits that an unlimited number of links are allowed, category and file links are automatically escaped with the [[Help:Colon trick|colon trick]], and links to sections are formatted as ''page § section'', rather than the MediaWiki default of ''page#section''. You can see some test cases at [[Template:See also/testcases]]. Would anyone object to me making the change? — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪ talk ♪]]</sup> 16:58, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
:See also related discussions at [[Template talk:Hatnote#Conversion to Lua|Template:Hatnote]], [[Template talk:Details#Conversion to Lua|Template:Details]], [[Template talk:Further2#Conversion of Template:Further to Lua|Template:Further]] and [[Template talk:Main#Conversion to Lua|Template:Main]]. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪ talk ♪]]</sup> 17:09, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
::WOW this is really causing some readability  problems on virtually  every page. Do we need the merger/deletion notice transcribed  multiple times on 4,499,655 articles? -- [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 18:00, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
:::Nope - I've noincluded it. (And [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Rellink&curid=21737712&diff=605633454&oldid=602647301 that was Steel1943], not I.) — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪ talk ♪]]</sup> 18:03, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

== How to add a description? ==

How can I add a description to a (or multiple) see alsos?

Here you can find an example of how it should look like (see the very top of the page): [[incremental search]].

If this isn't possible yet could the necessary parameters / templates please be created?

--[[:User:Fixuture|'''F'''ix'''uture''']] ([[:User talk:Fixuture|talk]]) 19:02, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

:The description you see may not fall in line with [[WP:MOS]]. But I think the feature you see is:
:*<code><nowiki>{{see also|Incremental search|altphrase=See the very top of the page}}</nowiki></code>
:which produces:
:{{see also|Incremental search|altphrase=See the very top of the page}}

:Perhaps this should be on the doc page. I'll add it. Surely there are no objections. &mdash;&nbsp;'''''[[User:Andy M. Wang|Andy&nbsp;W.]]''&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Andy M. Wang|talk]]&nbsp;&middot;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Andy M. Wang|contrib]])</small>''' 07:05, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

== Oxford Comma? ==

Why does this template not generate an Oxford comma when there are three or more items in the list? -- [[User:Mikeblas|Mikeblas]] ([[User talk:Mikeblas|talk]]) 19:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:No kidding! This template is very difficult to read sometimes.

:'''Proposal''':
:* Insert comma after next-to-last item when there are three or more.
:* Insert comma after next-to-last item when there are two or more (i.e., after first time) if the first item contains a section link.
:* Use semicolons if any values contain a comma
:This would resolve the problem that:
::{{tlx|see also|Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Article age|Wikipedia:Gaming the system#Gaming the consensus-building process}}
:generates hard-to-parse output like:
::''See also: [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Article age|Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions § Article age]] and [[Wikipedia:Gaming the system#Gaming the consensus-building process|Wikipedia:Gaming the system § Gaming the consensus-building process]]''
:instead of something much easier to read:
::''See also: [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Article age|Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions § Article age]], and [[Wikipedia:Gaming the system#Gaming the consensus-building process|Wikipedia:Gaming the system § Gaming the consensus-building process]]''
:Since this is processed by Lua now, it can also detect commas in the input and switch to using semicolons; made-up example:
::''See also: [[Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Article age|Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion, xenomorph, or chicken-nugget discussions § Article age]]; and [[Wikipedia:Gaming the system#Gaming the consensus-building process|Wikipedia:Gaming the system § Gaming the consensus-building process]]''
:<span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 13:20, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
::{{replyto|SMcCandlish|Mikeblas}} '''<s>Strong</s> support'''. Is anyone watching this page? Correct me if I'm wrong, but this involves a change to <code>mw.text.listToText</code>. (I currently don't have any experience in changing something like that. Anyone have any ideas?) &mdash;&nbsp;'''''[[User:Andy M. Wang|Andy&nbsp;W.]]''&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Andy M. Wang|talk]]&nbsp;&middot;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Andy M. Wang|contrib]])</small>''' 06:56, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Think I just found it. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual#mw.text.listToText According to this], just supply the second and third args (separator and conjunction). Check out the change in the [[Module:See also/sandbox|sandbox]]:
:::*{{See also/sandbox|Article}}
:::*{{See also/sandbox|Article|John Doe}}
:::*{{See also/sandbox|Article|John Doe|42 (number){{!}}Technology}}
:::*{{See also/sandbox|English Wikipedia#Pioneering edition|John Doe}}
:::*{{See also/sandbox|Veni, vidi, vici}}
:::*{{See also/sandbox|Veni, vidi, vici|John Doe}}
:::*{{See also/sandbox|Veni, vidi, vici|John Doe|42 (number){{!}}Technology}}
:::*{{See also/sandbox|English Wikipedia#Pioneering edition|Veni, vidi, vici}}
:::This probably needs more discussion before it can go live, though. &mdash;&nbsp;'''''[[User:Andy M. Wang|Andy&nbsp;W.]]''&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Andy M. Wang|talk]]&nbsp;&middot;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Andy M. Wang|contrib]])</small>''' 07:20, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
:: The change in sandbox looks good to me. I don't know what concensus you need to take it live -- maybe just be bold? -- [[User:Mikeblas|Mikeblas]] ([[User talk:Mikeblas|talk]]) 16:25, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
::: Will do. You didn't hear opposition otherwise. Did some tests in my own sandbox with the full proposal listed above implemented. I do like the comma after the first item if the first link has a section link (assumed to be long). &mdash;&nbsp;'''''[[User:Andy M. Wang|Andy&nbsp;W.]]''&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Andy M. Wang|talk]]&nbsp;&middot;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Andy M. Wang|contrib]])</small>''' 17:37, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
::::The output "See also: Veni, vidi, vici and John Doe" is not desirable. In any construction of "a and b", where "a" contains commas, "a" should be followed by a semicolon. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 06:23, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
{{od}}
In retrospect, I think being bold was being incorrect. We're currently not in sync about the Oxford comma (and sections/semicolons) with [[Module:Further]], [[Module:Other uses]], [[Module:Redirect hatnote]], and [[Module:Hatnote list]], and potentially one I was planning to make for {{tl|For}}. I'm refraining from reverting, because that is probably unnecessary server strain. Sorry &mdash;&nbsp;'''''[[User:Andy M. Wang|Andy&nbsp;W.]]''&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Andy M. Wang|talk]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Andy M. Wang|contrib]])</small>''' 18:28, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
:Discuss at '''[[Wikipedia talk:Hatnote]]'''. &mdash;&nbsp;'''''[[User:Andy M. Wang|Andy&nbsp;W.]]''&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Andy M. Wang|talk]]&nbsp;&middot;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Andy M. Wang|contrib]])</small>''' 18:43, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

== Using Module:Hatnote_list ==

<small>(''Pinging [[User:Andy M. Wang|Andy W.]] and [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] given Oxford comma discussion above'')</small>

I drafted a version of [[Module:See also]] at [[Module:See also/sandbox]] that applies the now-standard [[Module:Hatnote list]] to this template's implementation. Then, for some reason I don't remember, I stopped and left it alone for a month. I don't see any obvious problems with the version there, but would people mind taking a quick look just in case something's slipped my mind? Thanks, <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]] &#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]] &#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]}&#125;</span> 15:53, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Nihiltres|Nihiltres]], thanks, no issues with the code. Something on the side though: I think [[Module:Hatnote list]] (or [[Module:Hatnote]]?) should be aware of [[Module:Section link]] to be consistent with the standard way of making these links. Currently it's hard-coded at line 164. Recently, it was determined that "§" should be non-breaking on the right (i.e. {{code|&nbsp;}} for now), but that might change in the near future, since there's discussion of using narrower exotic spaces. If I personally have time to investigate, I can help out here and let you know if I do. — [[User:Andy M. Wang|'''''Andy W.''''']] <span style="font-size:88%">('''[[User talk:Andy M. Wang|<span style="color:#164">talk</span>]] ·''' [[Special:Contribs/Andy M. Wang|ctb]])</span> 17:07, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
::{{re|Andy M. Wang|label1=Andy}} That behaviour's in [[Module:Hatnote]], and [[Module:Hatnote list]] just pulls the function from it as needed. I'll take a look into that myself after updating [[Module:See also]]; tweaking the code to match or <code>require()</code> the section-link module seems trivial. Thanks for checking over the sandbox. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]]&#8202;&#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]]&#8202;&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]}&#125;</span> 20:14, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

== Migrating to Module:Labelled list hatnote ==

In an effort to standardize the features of various hatnote templates, I designed [[Module:Labelled list hatnote]] a while back, which implements any hatnote template that produces a list of pages prefixed with a colon-terminated label. Its primary advantage over [[Module:See also]] and family is that it implements a consistent feature set with regards to side features like labelling (e.g. using <code><nowiki>|l1=Label</nowiki></code> to change the display of the first page listed), letting us centralize code that's effectively duplicated right now across hatnote templates that generally behave the same. I've had a working version of this template sitting around in [[Template:See also/sandbox]] for a while now, and you can see at [[Template:See also/testcases]] that it produces the same output as the current template/module. I plan to also update similar hatnote templates in the same way.

Are there any objections to my implementing this change? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]] &#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]] &#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]}&#125;</span> 16:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

== Use interlanguage link template in see also template ==

I am trying to use the [[Template:Interlanguage link|Interlanguage link]] template for the field 1 in [[Template:See also|See also]]. Instead of getting "''See also: some link <small>(language code)</small>''", I am getting "''See also: <nowiki>[[</nowiki>:some link <small>(language code)</small><nowiki>]]</nowiki>''". How can I get rid of the brackets and the colon? Thanks. <span style="background-color:#cce4fa"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Fleon11|Fleon11]] ([[User talk:Fleon11|talk]])</span></span> 22:42, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
:The template is for internal Wikilinks only. Pls use external links section or ask for side bar intergration.--[[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 01:04, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
::Sorry for not specifying. I am using [[Template:Interlanguage link|Interlanguage link]] for an internal wikilink. So, to be more specific, I am trying to get "''See also: A wikipedia article <small>(language code)</small>''", but I am getting "''See also: <nowiki>[[</nowiki>:A wikipedia article <small>(language code)</small><nowiki>]]</nowiki>''".
::Please, note that, per [[Template:Interlanguage link|Interlanguage link]], the correct behavior for the link is:
::<blockquote> The red link is explicitly shown, followed by the non-English link(s). Hovering over the language code of a non-English link will display the name of the article on the non-English Wikipedia </blockquote>
::<span style="background-color:#cce4fa"><span class="nowrap">[[User:Fleon11|Fleon11]] ([[User talk:Fleon11|talk]])</span></span> 01:22, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
:::<p>{{re|Fleon11}} The template doesn't support that behaviour at present. ''Technically'' you can get around that with custom-text hatnotes by nesting {{tl|interlanguage link}} inside {{tl|see also2}}, but I'd discourage that as I've been trying to deprecate custom-text hatnotes in most cases.</p><p>It probably wouldn't be ''too'' hard to implement support for interlanguage links, but it's probably overkill in 99.9% of cases and we'd have to not only invent syntax for it but also implement it across most hatnote templates for consistency. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]]&#8202;&#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]]&#8202;&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]}&#125;</span> 14:07, 17 May 2017 (UTC)</p>
::::Came across another editor asking for this functionality at [[Tefillin]] after running into the same issue, wanted to add my +1 that this would be cool to implement someday. [[User:GordonGlottal|GordonGlottal]] ([[User talk:GordonGlottal|talk]]) 02:56, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

== Clarification, please ==

Why do we bother if the article in the {{tl|See also}} is linked n the text of the section? I see this usage time and again. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 11:15, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Anyone? - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 16:22, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

*{{re|Sitush}} Hatnotes are navigational elements, so they reflect signalling to the reader that a link is particularly relevant. If a link is provided in a hatnote and also in the body text, then probably one or the other should be removed as redundant. Which should be removed depends on how important it is to signal importance to the reader in the particular case. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]] &#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]] &#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]}&#125;</span> 14:31, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

:*Thank you. That is my opinion also. I'll hang on to see what others think. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 01:55, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

== A stray comma is generated by this template when a section link is used in the first parameter and only 2 parameters are used ==

This is really only an issue when only 2 pages are specified.  To illustrate the issue, compare:
:<code><nowiki>{{See also|Template:See also#Section 1|Template:See also#Section 2}}</nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki>{{See also|Template:See also#Section 1|Template:See also}}</nowiki></code>
which render as:
:*{{See also|Template:See also#Section 1|Template:See also#Section 2}}
:*{{See also|Template:See also#Section 1|Template:See also}}
to:
:<code><nowiki>{{See also|Template:See also|Template:See also}}</nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki>{{See also|Template:See also|Template:See also#Section 2}}</nowiki></code>
which render as:
:*{{See also|Template:See also|Template:See also}}
:*{{See also|Template:See also|Template:See also#Section 2}}
There shouldn't be a comma after "See also § Section 1" when a section is specified in the first parameter and only two pages are linked.
[[User:Seppi333|'''<span style="color:#32CD32;">Seppi</span>''<span style="color:Black;">333</span>''''']]&nbsp;([[User Talk:Seppi333|Insert&nbsp;'''2¢''']]) 20:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
::Ok, so this goes down to [[Module:Hatnote list]], which says that {{tq|-- Set the conjunction, apply Oxford comma, and force a comma if #1 has "§"}} {{u|Nihiltres}} wrote the module..unsure why that's there [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 17:27, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
:::The intention is to provide clarity on where the section title ends, especially as section titles can themselves contain conjunctions. While in practice you can usually tell precisely which part belongs to which by the styling of the link, the design is that you should be able to tell reasonably well where it ends using only the plain text. A comma helps do that; if a comma is present in the link then the code will use a semicolon as a fallback separator. Still, if people really want the behaviour removed, it should be established for ''all'' hatnote lists, since it's present in the shared functionality via [[Module:Hatnote list]]. Aside from that, if a consensus finds that the behaviour ought to be changed, I'd be happy to implement the change myself. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]]&#8202;&#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]]&#8202;&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]}&#125;</span> 03:51, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

== Please add a period ==

The results of this template should end with a period, as I see it:

::''See also [[Treatment of slaves in the United States]].''

and not the fragment

::''See also [[Treatment of slaves in the United States]]''


Note that the template 

::''Not to be confused with [[Prohibition in the United States]].''

does produce a sentence with a period.

[[User:Deisenbe|deisenbe]] ([[User talk:Deisenbe|talk]]) 16:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Deisenbe}}, the see also template does not produce a complete grammatical sentence and as a sentence fragment, it should not have terminal punctuation. Whether the {{tl|distinguish}} template does or does not produce a complete sentence is a matter for that template's talk page. [[User:Bkonrad|older]] ≠ [[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 16:19, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 4 February 2024 ==

{{edit template-protected|Module:Labelled list hatnote|answered=yes}}
When two articles are provided, the template produces a comma in front of the "and" as though there were more than two articles. See [[Proto-Semitic language#Phonology]], for example. The comma should be omitted in that case. [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 00:37, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
:From Paine Ellsworth's edit to the above template, I was led to the discussion where I learned that this is at a higher level ''and'' the current state of affairs, when the first item is a section link, is intentional. I can't say I ''agree'' with it but it is evidently not a bug, so never mind. Marking this answered. [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 11:53, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 3 January 2025 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:See also|answered=yes}}
replace <code><nowiki>|See also</nowiki></code> 
with 
<code><nowiki>|See also|ifexists=true</nowiki></code> 
per [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_13#Template:See_also_if_exists]] [[User:NotAG on AWB|NotAG on AWB]] ([[User talk:NotAG on AWB|talk]]) 20:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ETp --> [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 20:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::I have modified this to <code><nowiki>|See also|ifexists={{{ifexists|true}}}</nowiki></code> so that the old behavior can be toggled on if needed (such as when linking to an anchor). <span class="nowrap">--[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User talk:Ahecht|<b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:middle;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</b>]])</span> 13:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Invoke "Compare" rather than "See also" ==

I would like a feature where it says "Compare: X" rather than "See also: X". This seems more fitting in certain situations. [[User:Blockhaj|Blockhaj]] ([[User talk:Blockhaj|talk]]) 10:12, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Link just disappeared in Examples section ==

I suggest cancelling the merge of 'template:see also' and 'template:see also if exists', or at least deleting 'ifexists=true' in this article's first line added during the recent change. </br>
Merger with 'template:see also if exists' harmed this article's Examples section. In the second recent revision, template normally functioned like any other template in the way the article that doesn't exist is exhibited in red link. However, adding ifexists=true just made the link disappear.</br>
There are two points of view that both can see this as a problem. First, if you put the link that doesn't exist, particularly [[Article1]], intentionally in order to show how the template works if being put redirects like them, just disappearing doesn't make any sense. If template are linked to article that doesn't exist, editors should create the page or change its domain to another existing relevant page. I think that implication is not enough with just tiny error message. I bearly found the blank where the code and actual writing didn't consist, and even diagnosing why it disappeared was very difficult, because, who could imagine, the article linked in the official page doesn't exist! I think others visited in this page also may have felt that, and it's not good for your intentional purpose.</br>
Second, if you mistakingly put the article that doesn't exist, the first to do is reconstructing this Examples section, but my suggestion still makes sense in this situation. Even if the 'if exists' doesn't match with your intention not to randomly pick dignified names and clutter the template with them, but to cite just an accurate page, original template and it must be divided. Most of editors can't be perfect in wiki grammar, and they can be helped editing by using if exists template. It can seem to be meaningless, but I think that's why wikipedia can be not only professional, but 'the free encyclopedia.' Also, other template version of 'if exists' might remain in such purpose, so why not for see also?</br>
And lastly, this is distinguished reason from above. I'm not sure using 'template:see also if exists' remain, or citing page unexisting under 'template:see also,' I suspect that every page in such case is not functioning well. I visited the page that collects template error, but I couldn't find this page even if I could see distinct error message at the above. Separating again might work for fixing such pages if exist.</br>
I also respect why administrators merged 'template:see also if exists' but I couldn't bear how that measure affected many pages. I suggest again, separating this 'template:see also' page and 'template:see also if exists' page for above reasons. [[User:Watsondoe|Watsondoe]] ([[User talk:Watsondoe|talk]]) 02:42, 3 May 2025 (UTC)