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==Words or phrases?==
In a recent efit, [[User:Instantnood]] added this template to the redirect [[Rail gauges and power supply of Hong Kong rails]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rail_gauges_and_power_supply_of_Hong_Kong_rails&diff=25731856&oldid=25726009]. Which leads me to wonder if this template is applied to the most ridiculous cases. What exactly will the intent of this category or template be, if anything practically long enough to be a sentence still appears here? A look at [[:Category:Redirects from related words]] shows up a lot more dubious entries. Is this what the template/category is really for?--[[User:Huaiwei|Huaiwei]] 11:48, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

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Please change 'alternate' to 'alternative'. It is currently incorrect grammar and should be 'alternative' like is used in every other redirect template. '''[[User:Mclay1|<span style="color:red;">McLerristarr</span>]]&nbsp;/&nbsp;[[User talk:Mclay1|<span style="color:blue;">Mclay1</span>]]''' 15:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
:{{done}} [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  17:31, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== R-related redirect ==

{{to|Sangdeboeuf}} had to revert your good faith retargeting to {{tl|R to related topic}} because that rcat can only be used in mainspace. This rcat, the {{tl|R from related word}} template, can be used in any namespace, so your edit threw a whole lot of redirects into {{cat|Pages with templates in the wrong namespace}}. &nbsp;'''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''<small>&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;</small>&nbsp;<small>14:54, 7 May 2018 (UTC)</small>

== Requested move 28 November 2019 ==

{{discussion top|result=Withdrawn (operator error). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 13:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)}}
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[[:Template:R from related word]] → {{no redirect|Template:R from related term}} – "Word" is too narrow; this template (or one of many redirects to it) is used on a massive number of multi-word redirects (I wouldn't be surprised if they actually accounted for a majority of the redirects using this template).  "Term" is broad enough to include both multi-word and single-word terms, by definition. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 09:55, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The target is a redirect to {{tl|R to related topic}}, not {{tl|R from related word}}. A move there will result in many improperly tagged redirects. [[User:Wugapodes|Wug·]][[User talk:Wugapodes|a·po·des]] 03:35, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
*:Derp. My bad. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 13:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
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== Template-protected edit request on 16 December 2019 ==

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Remove the Requested move template from the top. Thanks. ~~ [[User:CAPTAIN MEDUSA|<samp><b>CAPTAIN MEDUSA</b></samp>]]<small>[[User talk:CAPTAIN MEDUSA|<mark><sup>'''''talk'''''</sup></mark>]]</small> 16:41, 16 December 2019 (UTC) ~~ [[User:CAPTAIN MEDUSA|<samp><b>CAPTAIN MEDUSA</b></samp>]]<small>[[User talk:CAPTAIN MEDUSA|<mark><sup>'''''talk'''''</sup></mark>]]</small> 16:41, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ETp --> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 16:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
== "Template:R from verb tense" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect [[:Template:R from verb tense]]. The discussion will occur at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 4#Template:R from verb tense]] until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> [[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 18:55, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

== Requested move 30 May 2021 ==

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:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. ''

The result of the move request was: '''Not moved'''. {{tq|This will break a far greater number of redirects than it will potentially fix}}, and this should be the main concern when renaming templates.   [[User:No such user|No such user]] ([[User talk:No such user|talk]]) 12:43, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
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[[:Template:R from related word]] → {{no redirect|Template:R from related term}} – "Word" does not capture that this rcat applies also to related phrases, so "term" is a much better descriptor. The proposed move target currently redirects to [[Template:R from related topic]], but "term" refers to a word or phrase, not necessarily a topic, and could serve as a better differentiation between the similar rcats ("topic" for words or phrases that could be separate articles, "term" for words or phrases unlikely to warrant separate treatment and are not alternative names). The previous requested move above was withdrawn due to fear of miscategorization of redirects, but many redirects are already improperly categorized as {{tl|R from related topic}} which would be ''fixed'' by this move. In any case, the affected redirects have been boldly retargeted between the two several times over the years apparently without any issue. This move will improve categorization of redirects going forward. [[User:Mdewman6|Mdewman6]] ([[User talk:Mdewman6|talk]]) 02:34, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

*'''Support''' it should be term, since if it's a pair of words, that a term, instead of a word -- [[Special:Contributions/67.70.27.180|67.70.27.180]] ([[User talk:67.70.27.180|talk]]) 04:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom. [[User:Egsan Bacon|Egsan Bacon]] ([[User talk:Egsan Bacon|talk]]) 19:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose.''' [[#Requested move 28 November 2019|Please see previous RM above.]] There are about 1200 redirects where the rcat redirect, {{-r|Template:R from related term|R from related term}} is transcluded. That redirect presently targets {{tl|R to related topic}}, which is very different from {{tl|R from related word}}. So if this page move is granted, all those backlinks will need to be fixed. There is no good reason to rename this template to a name that for years has categorized redirects to the very different {{cat|Redirects to related topics}} (rather than its current {{cat|Redirects from related words}}). '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&nbsp;&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>22:19, 31 May 2021 (UTC)</small>
** A term does not a topic make, there are many terms that are not topics in and of themselves, in the Wikipedia sense. Thus anyone using "term" are not clearly requesting topic redirects, so they have always been miscategorized. Any term that is also a topic should have both Rcat templates. -- [[Special:Contributions/67.70.27.180|67.70.27.180]] ([[User talk:67.70.27.180|talk]]) 03:19, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose:''' confusing to users who are unaware of the change and mistakenly tag articles with {{tl|R from related term}} &#8213;<span style="background:#8FF;border:solid 1px;border-radius:8px;box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px">&nbsp;[[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="color:#C00">Qwerfjkl</span>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User talk:Qwerfjkl|𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂]]&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;<small>(please use&#32;{{tlx|reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply)</small><!--Template:Please ping--> 21:23, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
* '''Leaning support''': the proposal itself is logical ("from [X] word" is much closer in meaning to "from [X] term" than "to [X] topic"), but someone would have to go and fix all the existing transclusions. --[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 22:40, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose.''' This redirect already shows itself as "From a related word or phrase". As of today, this redirect has been successfully used on 7,533 pages. Taken together, does not seem to be all that much confusion nor lack of clarity as to what this redirect means nor how to use it. Be bold, just add "or phrase" to the '''Usage''' column, and perhaps an example of such in the '''Example(s)''' column of the entry for this redirect in [[Wikipedia:Template index/Redirect pages]]. I have not done it right now out of respect for the fact that this discussion is currently underway, but that should cover any concern of a new editor trying to find the appropriate redirect to use in these situations. [[User:Jmg38|Jmg38]] ([[User talk:Jmg38|talk]]) 09:15, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
::I argue, admittedly without direct evidence, that many (perhaps even a majority) of those ~7500 uses of this redirect occur on redirect pages that should really be categorized as {{tl|R from related word}} rather than {{tl|R from related topic}}; as I said above these would be fixed via this move. [[User:Mdewman6|Mdewman6]] ([[User talk:Mdewman6|talk]]) 00:22, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
:::Perplexing. You want to rename {{tl|R from related word}} to {{tl|R from related term}}, the latter of which redirects to {{tl|R to related topic}}, an entirely different redirect category template. I can confirm after more than 10 years of working with these templates and redirects that the vast majority of backlinks (if not all of them) from the ''R from related term'' rcat template are not to related words but to related ''topics'', and all of those would have to be updated if this request is granted. Virtually none of them would be automatically fixed by this move, which would break virtually all of them. Why not read the [[#Requested move 28 November 2019|previous move request]] above and the section above that. I'm hopeful that info might persuade you to withdraw this request. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&nbsp;&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>09:30, 25 June 2021 (UTC)</small>
:::[[User:Mdewman6|Mdewman6]], your response above (00:22, 25 June 2021 (UTC)) shows that you agree with me, not sure that is what you intended but does make my point. If, as per your statement, the existing template is correct since "many (perhaps even a majority) of those ~7500 uses of this redirect occur on redirect pages that should really be categorized as {{tl|R from related word}}", then I am still not sure why you want to break {{tl|R from related word}} and move it to "R from related term". As I wrote earlier, this would mean that your remaining minority of the ~7500 are covered by the fact that the full explanation of {{tl|R from related word}} already includes the words "or phrase". I just don't see where any editors are being mislead by the existing {{tl|R from related word}}, and would reiterate that adding a few words in the '''Usage''' and '''Example(s)''' columns of the entry for this redirect in [[Wikipedia:Template index/Redirect pages]] (many of the entries there have extensive "Usage" and "Example(s)" detail) will provide any remaining guidance to editors who might (but not really) be confused.[[User:Jmg38|Jmg38]] ([[User talk:Jmg38|talk]]) 06:45, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Paine Ellsworth and Jmg38. This will break a far greater number of redirects than it will potentially fix. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:20, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
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== "Template:R from related concept" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect [[:Template:R from related concept]]. The discussion will occur at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 12#Template:R from related concept]] until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> <span style="font-family:courier;font-size:90%"> <span class="nowrap">-- [[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]]</span></span><span class="nowrap"> (she/they)</span> &#124; <span class="nowrap">[[User talk:Tamzin|o toki tawa mi.]]</span> 20:02, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

== Outdated move discussion notice ==

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The template still includes the notice about a move discussion, even though it ended on 14 July. [[User:Kleinpecan|Kleinpecan]] ([[User talk:Kleinpecan|talk]]) 16:14, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{done}} FYI {{u|Wbm1058}}. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 19:25, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
== "[[:Template:Redirect to related]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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The redirect <span class="plainlinks">[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Redirect_to_related&redirect=no Template:Redirect to related]</span> has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|redirects for discussion]] to determine whether its use and function meets the [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirect guidelines]]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 21#Template:Redirect to related}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|1234qwer]][[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|1234qwer]][[Special:Contribs/1234qwer1234qwer4|4]] 16:47, 21 September 2023 (UTC)