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== Bot discussion ==
There's been some discussion at [[Wikipedia_talk:Bots#Creating_a_Wikipedia_Bot]] about adding the new [[Template:R from plural]] to all applicable plural redirects. However, it was mentioned in that discussion by the Wikipedia database admins, that in large numbers that categories have big performance issues, whereas lists don't seem to. Is there some way that [[Template:R from plural]] can be modified to use lists instead of categories? -- All the best, [[User:Nickj|Nickj]] [[User talk:Nickj|(t)]] 08:29, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

*This template was listed on [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion|templates for deletion]], but there was no consensus to delete. See the [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log|log]]. ([[Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/August_2005#Template:R_from_alternate_name_and_others|archive entry]]) [[User:Ceyockey|Courtland]] 02:46, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

In concert with the descriptions on related templates, I've added a short bit about what to do with the link.  (Since the job queue has been implemented, template edits are not the concern that they were in the past.)
:--[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] 12:34, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

== Editprotect request ==

Please add text to document the alternative {{TL|R to singular}} (aliased by redirect)

<!--{{Editprotect}} asking User:Woohookitty direct for this given page counts involved. -->
<blockquote>
;replace the line:

This is a redirect from a [[plural]] word to the singular equivalent.
 
with:

This is a redirect from a [[plural]] word to the singular equivalent. <br/>You may use the aliased template {{tl2|R to singular}} to accomplish the same end.
</blockquote>

Sorry, but then you'll have to check the two wikipedia help pages, [[Wikipedia:Template messages/Redirect pages]] and IIRC [[Wikipedia:Redirects]] (or subpages of those! Check whatlinks here) and make sure they new text displays okay within the help tables...

# {{Y}} Handled left column, [[Wikipedia:Template messages/Redirect pages]] already, just check right pane display after your (my requested) edit.
# {{Y}} Handled right column, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirect#Spellings.2C_misspellings.2C_tenses_and_capitalizations]], check center after yours!

Thanks // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b>[[User talk:Fabartus|<span style="color:green;">nkB</span>]] 22:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

== Editprotect request ==

{{tl|editprotected}}

Please add the following to the bottom in between the &lt;noinclude&gt; and &lt;/noinclude&gt; tags. Thanks. [[User:Lightsup55|<b style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; text-transform:lowercase; color:#008000;">Lightsup55</b>]] <span style="font-size: x-small">( [[User talk:Lightsup55|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Lightsup55|C]] )</span> 11:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

<code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[:Category:Redirect templates]]<nowiki>|Plural]]</nowiki></code>
:Done, thanks. &ndash; <span style="font-family: Garamond">[[User:Luna Santin|<span style="color:#1E90FF;">'''Luna Santin'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Luna Santin|talk]])</span> 11:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Category:Unprintworthy redirects ==

I'm not sure sure this template should be adding this category, I'm sure there's many plural article titles that would be useful in a print encyclopedia, assuming that's what this category is for. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<span style="font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</span>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>&trade;</sup>]] 02:11, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:I tend to agree with this.  I just tried to add {{tl|R from scientific name}} and {{tl|R from plural}} to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mucosae&redirect=no Mucosae REDIRECT] that targets [[Mucous membrane]].  The first Rcat calls the Printworthy cat and the second Rcat calls the Unprintworthy cat.  Plurals are not always unprintworthy.  Therefore... 
{{tlx|editprotected}}
Please remove the [[:Category:Unprintworthy redirects]] from this Redirect category template per the above discussion. 

OR... 

add some markup that will allow editors to omit the Unprintworthy cat, as in 
 <code><nowiki>{{R from plural|1=printworthy}}</nowiki></code> or simply <code><nowiki>{{R from plural|printworthy}}</nowiki></code>
Thank you! &nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{loop15|1|&nbsp;}}</span>Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 21:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:I went with your second suggestion. Could you check that it works as intended? Also if you wouldn't mind documentating this new feature in the doc page. Thanks &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
::It works '''''great''''', Martin!  See the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mucosae&redirect=no Mucosae REDIRECT], where I tested it both ways.  The /doc has been updated.  On another Rcat (unprotected), I rm'd the unprintworthy cat many moons ago.  I think I'll go back and dig that one up and add this code to it.  Thank you so much! &nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{loop15|1|&nbsp;}}</span>Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 17:48, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

::I just noticed that the markup you added shows up on the diff pages, such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mucosae&diff=next&oldid=413326274 here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mucosae&diff=next&oldid=413326370 here].  It's not a big deal to me, because your edit is perfectly functional.  Just out of curiosity, is there a way to hide that "ifeq" text on the diff pages? &nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{loop15|1|&nbsp;}}</span>Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 17:48, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
:::You were quite right about the # sign. I had missed it off. So I don't see how the code could have been functional! Hopefully working now? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:42, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
::::It was functional because someone did create an {{tl|ifeq}} template.  It seems to have all the functionality of the Mediawiki [[mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions|#ifeq]] parser function, except that it does leave the text visible.  Excellent job, Martin, your edit still works great! &nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{loop15|1|&nbsp;}}</span>Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 08:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
{{od}}
This is to officially ask that this Rcat template be made to populate [[:Category:Printworthy redirects]] when necessary.  This will require the following change.  From this... 
 <code><nowiki>{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|printworthy||[[Category:Unprintworthy redirects]]}}</nowiki></code>
...to this...
 <code><nowiki>{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|printworthy|[[Category:Printworthy redirects]]|[[Category:Unprintworthy redirects]]}}</nowiki></code>
This will leave no question as to these particular plurals being printworthy. &nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{loop15|1|&nbsp;}}</span>Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 02:38, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:Or even the following? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:51, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 <code><nowiki>[[Category:{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|printworthy||Un}}printworthy redirects]]</nowiki></code>
::Yes!  I tested that on my personal pages, [[User:Paine Ellsworth/Sandbox3|Sandbox3]] & [[User:Paine Ellsworth/Sandbox4|Sandbox4]], and this modification works perfectly.  Magnificent, Martin! &nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{loop15|1|&nbsp;}}</span>Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 21:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::*'''PS.'''  I recently tried my solution on the related Rcat, {{tl|R to plural}}, and now I will go back and convert it to your more elegant code.
Okay, I made the change. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:Excellent.  Thank you! &nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{loop15|1|&nbsp;}}</span>Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 04:10, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
{{od}}
The /doc page has been updated, and [[Wikipedia talk:Twinkle#Courtesy FYI|Twinkle]] has been informed. &nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{loop15|1|&nbsp;}}</span>Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 17:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Interwiki ==

Please add the following interwiki:

<nowiki>[[ar:قالب:تحويلة من جمع]]</nowiki>

Thanks -- [[User:أحمد مصطفى السيد|أحمد مصطفى السيد]] ([[User talk:أحمد مصطفى السيد|talk]]) 09:53, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

:{{added}} -- [[User:OlEnglish|<span style="font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</span>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>&trade;</sup>]] 14:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

== Recent move ==

{{tl|editprotected}}
The new Redirect, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:R_from_plural&redirect=no R from plural], needs Rcats as follows: 
 <code><nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Template:Redirect from plural]]{{R from move}}{{R template}}{{R to redirect template}}</nowiki></code>
Thank you! &nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{loop15|1|&nbsp;}}</span>Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 18:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
*'''PS.''' <span style="color:red;">Question:</span>  Do we plan to change each and every Rcat like this? i.e., from "R" to "Redirect"?
*:Good question. In my opinion it would be beneficial because I think template names should be as clear as possible. But ... I am not sure there is consensus for this, so I have been testing the waters by moving a few of them. I started a [[Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages/Redirect_pages#Rename_templates|discussion]] last November but didn't get much response. Perhaps you'd like to contribute with your opinion? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:46, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I agree that clarity is important, especially for new editors' understanding of the Rcats.  It will be a fairly major project, though.  In addition to moving all the many Rcats to Redirectcats, those changes will also need to be reflected in the short [[Template:R help|functional index]], as well as in the longer [[WP:Template messages/Redirect pages|alphabetical index]].  And on top of that, consider that those of us who use these Rcats a lot will continue to see the "R from" templates as shortcuts to the longer "Redirect from" templates.  So it would also be prudent to place [[Template:Template shortcut|Template shortcut]]s in the /doc pages of all the Rcats for all the newer editors to use.  Is there a bot you can use to make this go quicker? &nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{loop15|1|&nbsp;}}</span>Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 09:52, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
:::'''PS.'''  I just had a thought that some of these Rcats have several Redirects to them that will have to be "fixed" (double redirects) when the move is made.  [[Template:R from alternative name|R from alternative name]] is an example, although it probably has more redirects than most.
:::'''PPS.'''  Since it appears that /doc pages are being built for all the Rcats, would it be possible to attain a close level of clarity by simply adding a note on all the /doc pages? perhaps in the Usage section?  A short ditty like: 
{{cquote|This is a '''Redirect category''' template and is only placed on Redirect pages.  Etc., etc.}}
:::That might be quicker and still provide the clarity without having to rename all the Rcats plus the other necessary changes that result from those moves? &nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{loop15|1|&nbsp;}}</span>Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp;

*'''HOLD.''' Maybe an answer to my question should be sought first? &nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{loop15|1|&nbsp;}}</span>Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 20:48, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I think this template should be moved back to [[Template:R from plural]]. Being the template with "R " is a known convention of redirect templates and it's a bit of unnecessary hassle to move every template. The average reader will never see the redirect templates so it doesn't matter if they do not understand them. '''[[User:Mclay1|<span style="color:red">McLerristarr</span>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User talk:Mclay1|<span style="color:blue">Mclay1</span>]]''' 03:35, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

===Gentle reminder===
{{tld|Editprotected}}

The still somewhat new redirect, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:R_from_plural&redirect=no R from plural], needs Rcats as follows: 
 <code><nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Template:Redirect from plural]]{{R from move}}{{R to redirect template}}{{R from shortcut}}</nowiki></code>
Thank you! &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 21:32, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

{{done}}. [[User:Feezo|Feezo]] <span style="font-size:x-small">[[User_talk:Feezo|(Talk)]]</span> 02:03, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
:Thank you very much, Feezo! &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 02:16, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

== From "template" shortcut ==

{{FPER|answered=yes}}
The recently created redirect, <span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:R_from_plural&redirect=no Template:R from plural]</span>, needs a slight change to put it in the correct shortcut category, as follows:

Present state...
 <code><nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Template:Redirect from plural]]{{R from move}}{{R to redirect template}}{{R from shortcut}}</nowiki></code>

Please modify to...
 <code><nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Template:Redirect from plural]]</nowiki><br />''(<small><nowiki>PLEASE LEAVE THIS LINE BLANK</nowiki></small>)''<br/><nowiki>{{Redr|from move|to redirect template|from template shortcut}}</nowiki></code>

'''Note:''' {{tl|Redr}} is just a new "shortcut" way to add redirect templates to redirects, so the only ''visible'' change that this modification makes is to remove the <span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:R_from_plural&redirect=no R from plural REDIRECT]</span> from the inappropriate [[:Category:Redirects from shortcuts|Redirects from shortcuts]] category and place it in the appropriate [[:Category:Redirects from template shortcuts|Redirects from template shortcuts]] category. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 22:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
*'''PS.''' Would someone please explain to me why most of these redirect templates are '''Fully Protected?'''  I could understand ''Semi-protection'', but not full protection.
:{{done}}. I guess these templates were considered "highly transcluded". This one had 5000+ transclusions which is quite substantial, but I've reduced the protection to semi. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:17, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you, Martin!  That would explain why some of them (the more highly transcluded) are fully protected and others (the less highly transcluded) are not protected.  So if you feel it prudent to add the full protection back in, that would be understandable.  These are all templates for admin use, so it follows that admin would want to stay on top of edits to the more highly transcluded Rcats.  If I remember correctly, on other types of templates I've seen the reason (highly transcluded) usually included as a separate explanation box, either on the edit page or the source page.  As a matter of fact, I just looked at another Rcat's "<span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=protect&page=Template:R_from_alternative_name protection log]</span>" and found the reason. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;)&nbsp; 22:07, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

== Namespace restriction ==

Why does this template enforce a restriction to article namespace? (See [[Wikipedia:Not editing because of Wikipedia restrictions]] for an example of supposed misuse.) Why does it ''refuse'' to apply its usual [[:Category:Redirects from plurals]] category when a namespace error is detected - is that standard procedure? --[[User:SoledadKabocha|SoledadKabocha]] ([[User talk:SoledadKabocha|talk]]) 23:36, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 18 May 2023 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:R from plural|answered=yes}}
Please remove <code>.  Either {{tl|R from plural}} or {{tl|R to singular}} may be used to tag plural redirects</code>. This isn't needed, as {{tl|R to singular}} is simply a redirect to this template. ~ [[User:Eejit43|<b style="color: #00733f">Eejit43</b>]] ([[User talk:Eejit43|<span style="color: #00733f">talk</span>]]) 02:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ETp --> [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 21:57, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
== "[[:Template:R plural]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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The redirect <span class="plainlinks">[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:R_plural&redirect=no Template:R plural]</span> has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|redirects for discussion]] to determine whether its use and function meets the [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirect guidelines]]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 30#Template:R plural}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> <span style="color:#595959">‍—‍</span>[[User:A smart kitten|<span style="color:#595959">a&nbsp;smart kitten</span>]]<sub style="color:#595959">[<nowiki/>[[User talk:A smart kitten|<span style="color:#595959">meow</span>]]]</sub> 12:45, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

== Why only in mainspace? ==

I tried using this for a redirected Template talk page, and it displayed the stop warning about not using it there, so I removed the rcat from the redirect page. It also suggests using {{tl|R from modification}} instead, but this makes little sense to me; what is different about {{tl|R from modification}} that makes it any more appropriate than {{tl|R from plural}} for a template talk page? [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 01:38, 24 July 2024 (UTC)