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== Usage ==

This template should not be used directly in individual articles. Instead, a template with the name '''lang-''xx''''' shold be created, where the ''xx'' is the [[ISO 639]] language code. The contents of this template should take the form:

 <nowiki>{{</nowiki>langWithName|''xx''|''language-name''|<nowiki>{{{1}}}}}</nowiki>

Where ''xx'' is again the ISO 639 code, and ''language-name'' is the name of the language.

In turn, when calling a '''lang-''xx''''' template, it should be called in the form:

 <nowiki>{{</nowiki>lang-''xx''|''your-text-here''}}

See also:

[[template:rtl-langWithName]] (uses [[template:rtl-lang]]) (Actually, this one fits better for the Arabic example.)

Example:

The '''[[Template:Lang-ar|lang-ar]]''' template contains the following text:

 <nowiki>{{langWithName|ar|Arabic|{{{1}}}}}</nowiki>

If it is called as follows:

 <nowiki>{{lang-ar|لووووول}}</nowiki>

it yields:
	
 <nowiki>{{lang-ar|لووووول}}</nowiki>

<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:J'raxis|J'raxis]] ([[User talk:J'raxis#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/J'raxis|contribs]]) 20:35, 4 August 2005 (UTC)</small>

==This template is very harmful==
This has to be some kind of record in meta-template harmfulness. I'm stunned that people would go to this much trouble, creating so many complicated templated just to avoid typing a few extra letters. In most cases the amount of characters saved is amazingly small and people actually use some of the sub-templates to ''replace'' existing links at times. Please don't create any more of these. Ever.

[[User:Karmosin|Peter]] <sup>[[User talk:Karmosin|Isotalo]]</sup> 20:19, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

: Please see related talk at [[template talk:lang-uk]].  These templates are useful and cause no harm, but are being unilaterally removed by this user.  ''—[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2005-10-16&nbsp;22:27&nbsp;Z</small>''

:I agree this is rather harmful, but I'm not going to edit-war about it :) [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 10:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Similar template ==

[[:ko:Template:Llang]] seems to achieve a similar effect by including [[:ko:Template:언어 이름]] ({{lang|ko|언어 이름}} = “language name(s)”), but without the need of creating dozens of other templates. If you like its approach, perhaps something like that can replace this template and most lang-xx templates.—[[User:Wikipeditor|Wikipeditor]] 05:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

== No italics ==

I've created a variant, {{tl|LangWithNameNoItals}}, to be used for languages whose writing systems do not lend themselves to being written in italics (Hebrew, East Asian languages, etc.) —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 11:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
:this template now forces no italics either. Italics are rather inserted in the "lang-xx" templates transcluding this one. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 10:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== iw ==
{{[[Template:editprotected|editprotected]]}}
Add [[:no:Mal:LangWithName]] (Why so many templates protected so only administrators at en:wp can edit them?) [[User:Nsaa|Nsaa]] 18:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
:Done. A lot of templates are protected here to prevent vandalism, since vandalism on templates can affect many pages. Many templates are being changed so the documentation and interwikis are on a subpage so they can be edited without administrator assistance, but this one hasn't been changed over yet. --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 23:21, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
::It is now. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:54 17 December 2008 (UTC).

== Bolding problem with this template. ==

See, for example, the [[Filipino language]] article. the relevant wikitext there is "{{highlight|<nowiki>'''Filipino language''' ({{lang-fil|Wikang Filipino}})</nowiki>}}", which renders here as "{{highlight|'''Filipino language''' (<nowiki>{{lang-fil|Wikang Filipino}}</nowiki>)}}". However, in the ''Filipino language'' article, it renders improperly (and in violation of[[ WP:LEDE#Format of the first sentence]], "do not boldface foreign names not normally used in English") as "{{highlight|'''Filipino language''' ('''Filipino''': Wikang Filipino)}}". This is because this template tries to place a self-referential wikilink.

It seems to me that the fix for this would involve [[mw:Help:Magic words|magic words]] and [[mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions|parser functions]]&mdash;about which I am aware but which I don't often use. Could someone who is a better template coder than I please fix this? Thanks. -- [[User:Wtmitchell|Boracay Bill]] ([[User talk:Wtmitchell|talk]]) 06:05, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

== Delinking ==

I added an optout, {{para|links|no}}, to make this template not link the language names (should be useful in articles where you're using it over and over and there are [[WP:OVERLINK|overlinking]] concerns). To make it functional in the shell templates, however, <blockquote><code><nowiki>|links={{{links|yes}}}</nowiki></code></blockquote> or something alone those lines needs to be added to the templates that call this one. For example, I did [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AZh-sp&diff=314468278&oldid=254239149 this] to a bunch of the Chinese templates; this make it so someone can use {{tlx|zh-sp|s{{=}}something|p{{=}}something|links{{=}}no}} and have it remove the links (for example, in the lede paragraph of [[Not One Less]]).

Anyway, whoever wants to help out is welcome to add this code to the other templates to expand the functionality of this, since there are thousands of these templates and I'm in no mood to do it to all of them (I basically just updated the few templates that I myself use). <b class="Unicode">[[User:Rjanag|r<span style="color:#8B0000;">ʨ</span>anaɢ]]</b>&nbsp;<small><sup>[[User talk:Rjanag|talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Rjanag|contribs]]</sub></small> 03:12, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Not using a "language" suffix redirects ==

Could someone help fix the issue with articles that don't include the suffix "... language" in their article-titles, e.g. [[Latin]] is the actual title, but {{tl|lang-la}} links to [[Latin language]]. Please and thank you. :) -- [[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 17:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
:I don't know of a way to do something like that automatically, but I guess we could hard-code the language codes into this template for languages such as Latin ("la") so the "language" part doesn't show up in the link.  However, I gotta ask if it's really that big of a deal and worth the hassle?  As long as "Foo language" properly redirects to "Foo", what seems to be the problem?—[[User:Ezhiki|Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky)]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;([[User talk:Ezhiki|yo?]]); July&nbsp;1, 2010; 17:58 (UTC)
::For impetus, I thought we generally tried to fix, or avoid using, redirects in templates. Someone else had requested a fix at [[Template talk:Lang-la]] 2 years ago; I was seconding the query.
::But you're probably right, that it's not worth adding extra template-complexity just to fix redirect(s). 
::Perhaps if someone else knows of many other languages that have the same issue, a fix might become warranted. -- [[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 00:35, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Hmm, you are right about the redirects in templates... I forgot about that.  Here's another suggestion then.  Instead of overloading this template with the conditionals which will be processed every time but are only going to kick in for a handful of cases (such as Latin), why not copy this template verbatim to another title (such as {{tl|LangWithShortName}}), tweak it so the "language" part doesn't show up, and have {{tl|lang-la}} (and other similar templates, if someone can think of any) call it instead?  Granted, we'll have two almost identical templates, but I think considering how heavily this template is used it would be an acceptable compromise?—[[User:Ezhiki|Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky)]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;([[User talk:Ezhiki|yo?]]); July&nbsp;2, 2010; 02:01 (UTC)
::I found another language that has a redirect issue. The template <nowiki>{{lang-sr-Cyrl}}</nowiki> creates a link to [[Serbian Cyrillic language]]. "Serbian Cyrillic" is not a language, but rather one of two standard writing systems for the [[Serbian language]] (along with [[Gaj's Latin alphabet|Latin]]). "Serbian Cyrillic language" is a redirect to [[Serbian Cyrillic alphabet]]. — [[User:Dale Arnett|Dale Arnett]] ([[User talk:Dale Arnett|talk]]) 21:37, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:Redirects exist for a reason. Just document the limitation in the template, as I have at [[Template:Lang-en-GB/doc]], and don't complicated the parser code. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  12:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

== Colon has to be escaped or definition lists get hosed ==

{{FPER|ans=yes}}
Please, ASAP, change the line:
 }}: {{Lang|{{{1}}}|{{{3}}}}}&lt;noinclude>
to
 }}&amp;#58; {{Lang|{{{1}}}|{{{3}}}}}&lt;noinclude>

Without this fix, this template cannot be used in ;/: wkimarkup definition lists without causing them to barf. 

{{collapse top|title=Test cases}}
===Template structured glossary format===

 <nowiki>{{term|1=tyre |content={{lang-en-GB|tyre}}}}</nowiki>
 <nowiki>{{term|1=tire |content={{lang-en-US|tire}}}}</nowiki>
 <nowiki>{{defn|1=A resilient wheel covering usually made of vulcanized rubber.}}</nowiki>
<nowiki>{{term|1=tyre |content={{lang-en-GB|tyre}}}}</nowiki>
<nowiki>{{term|1=tire |content={{lang-en-US|tire}}}}</nowiki>
{{defn|1=A resilient wheel covering usually made of vulcanized rubber.}}

Results: {{tick}} {{bxt|Correct.}}

===Manually-formatted wikimarkup===
 ; <nowiki>[[British English]]&amp;#58; {{lang|en-GB|tyre}}</nowiki>
 ; <nowiki>[[American English]]&amp;#58; {{lang|en-US|tyre}}</nowiki>
 : A resilient wheel covering usually made of vulcanized rubber.
; [[British English]]: {{lang|en-GB|tyre}}
; [[American English]]: {{lang|en-US|tire}}
: A resilient wheel covering usually made of vulcanized rubber.

Results: {{tick}} {{bxt|Correct.}}

===Wikimarkup + [[Template:Language with name]]===
 ; <nowiki>{{lang-en-GB|tyre}}</nowiki>
 ; <nowiki>{{lang-en-US|tire}}</nowiki>
 : A resilient wheel covering usually made of vulcanized rubber.
; <nowiki>{{lang-en-GB|tyre}}</nowiki>
; <nowiki>{{lang-en-US|tire}}</nowiki>
: A resilient wheel covering usually made of vulcanized rubber.

Results: {{cross}} {{!bxt|FAIL}}
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— <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]'''  &nbsp; <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ɖ∘¿<span style="color:red;">¤</span>þ </span>&nbsp; <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contrib.]]</small></span>  13:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
: [[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP --> [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 04:58, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

== This scheme should be streamlined ==

Instead of having individual templates for every language transcluding this meta template we should have one template only with a parameter for language. As it stands now, if we add a parameter to this template, as I'm going to propose next, then each of the transcluding templates will have to be updated, including user instructions. That is exceedingly cumbersome and impractical. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 09:28, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

== Request for added parameter ==

I propose a new parameter be added to this template, <code>|silent=yes</code>, which, when active, will cause the name of the language to be suppressed altogether. The cases where this would be used are when the foreign-language term precedes the English name. Then the only effect of using the template would be to categorize the article into the relevant multilingual support category.

A more neat solution to this would perhaps be to modify the existing <code>|links=</code> parameter to handle a different set of values. That would probably mean to give it a new name, e.g. <code>|show=</code>, with the possible values ''yes'' (default), ''unlink'' and ''no''. This proposal must be seen in connection with my proposal for streamlining this scheme altogether in the previous section. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 09:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

== Linking language name  ==

[[WP:OVERLINK]] says languages are not usually linked. This template links the language name by default; shouldn't that be changed? [[User:Ihardlythinkso|Ihardlythinkso]] ([[User talk:Ihardlythinkso|talk]]) 03:52, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
:I think I agree: Obviously the more obscure the language, the stronger the case for linking, especially if it is out of linguistic context. All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'',&nbsp;<small>16:24,&nbsp;4&nbsp;July&nbsp;2014&nbsp;(UTC).</small><br />

== Suggestion: An optional literal translation ==

Hi,

I am an admin, so I can edit this template, but, since it is high use, I thought I should discuss my idea here first.

I think it would be really useful to be able to have an optional literal translation.  Then we could have something like the following:

:The  '''Prime Minister of Italy''' (Italian: ''Presidente del Consiglio dei Ministri'', <small>literal translation:</small> President of the Council of Ministers) is the [[head of government]] of the [[Italy|Italian Republic]].

I am open to suggestion on formatting, for example we could have some kind of abbreviation.

[[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 19:45, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

:I've done some work in the sandbox.  What do we think of this?
:<nowiki>{{Lang-it/sandbox|Presidente del Consiglio dei Ministri|lit=President of the Council of Ministers}}</nowiki>
:For the benefit of future readers, I will subst the same wikicode below, so that people will know what the template looked like, if it is edited further.
:[[Italian language|Italian]]&#58; {{Lang|it|''Presidente del Consiglio dei Ministri''|rtl=}}<small>literal translation:</small> President of the Council of Ministers
:[[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 15:29, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
::Your subst is another sandbox... so I subt'd that!  I think it is a good idea.  Is it worth introducing a "link=yes" parameter which would make linking the language name default to no-link, per the above section? All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'',&nbsp;<small>16:27,&nbsp;4&nbsp;July&nbsp;2014&nbsp;(UTC).</small><br />
:::"literally" might be enough (or even "lit." if this were print).  And one minor thing, I don't think "small" text is appropriate or needed.  All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'',&nbsp;<small>16:29,&nbsp;4&nbsp;July&nbsp;2014&nbsp;(UTC).</small><br />
:::: Agreed on both counts. "Lit:" without additional markup is clear enough. I concur that this is a welcome feature, if one that we might want to warn against using too much. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 16:54, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::I have removed the small-text markup and used the abbreviation.  I've used the capitalisation and punctuation suggested by Rich.  New subst:
:::::{{#ifeq:yes|no
 |Italian
 |[[Italian language|Italian]]
}}&#58; {{Lang|it|''Presidente del Consiglio dei Ministri''|rtl=}}{{#if: President of the Council of Ministers|, lit. President of the Council of Ministers}}
:::::Feel free to edit the sandbox yourselves.
:::::[[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 03:16, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

===Roll out===
I have applied the change to [[:Template:Language with name]] and [[:Template:Lang-it]].  No one has objected to it.  Is it time to roll out the change to all the other Lang-xx templates?

What do we think the best way of doing that is?  A bot?  AWB?  One big push?  Slowly but surely?

[[User:Yaris678|Yaris678]] ([[User talk:Yaris678|talk]]) 11:43, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
:I would suggest doing half a dozen of the most common languages.  This should encourage any criticism at the cost of little effort (and while reverting is easy). Give it a few days then use AWB for the rest.  All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'',&nbsp;<small>15:32,&nbsp;15&nbsp;August&nbsp;2014&nbsp;(UTC).</small><br />

== Some questions/suggestions regarding this template ==

#Do all [[:Category:Lang-x templates|Lang-x templates]] templates use {{tl|Language with name}} (or, at least, are they all supposed to)? As far as I can tell, {{tl|Lang-grc}} doesn't, for instance.
#If they don't (''i''.''e''. intentionally), would it be possible for them to all be converted to use it? That way, they would all get to use {{para|links}}.
#While we're on it, could we supplement {{para|links}} with:
##A parameter (something like {{para|language|no}}) to avoid printing the language name altogether (useful if you're using more than one {{tl|lang-fr}} or whatever in a row, giving you in read mode ''e''.''g''. "This comes from the [[French language|French]]: φ and χ", instead of "This comes from the [[French language|French]]: φ and the [[French language|French]]: χ")?
##A parameter (something like {{para|separator|&amp;#32;}}) to avoid the colon being printed after the name of the language (it might sometimes fit the sentence the template is embedded in better)?
'''[[User:It Is Me Here|<span style="color:#060">It Is Me Here</span>]]''' <sup>'''[[User_talk:It Is Me Here|<span style="color:#C60">t</span>]] / [[Special:Contribs/It Is Me Here|<span style="color:#C60">c</span>]]'''</sup> 18:19, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:re 3.1: edit proposal is below ({{para|name|no}} would prevent showing the name).
:re 1, 2: Same question for me. I'd like to see it in {{tl|lang-he}}, and for the same reason. Is there a reason they are not using this template?
:ping {{ping|It Is Me Here}} -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 00:46, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

==Why the colon?==

In every Wikipedia context I've seen, the colon in this template is unnecessary, ugly, and different from the usual formatting in other printed matter. Can anyone point to examples in professionally typeset material that uses the colon? In all the books I've looked at recently, you see things like
:from French ''carton''
:this word, from the French ''carton'', has now ...
:from Greek τρόπος
and the like, and never
:from French: ''carton''
:this word, from the French: ''carton'', has now ...
:from Greek: τρόπος
Why do we use the colon? I recommend we get rid of it. --[[User:Macrakis|Macrakis]] ([[User talk:Macrakis|talk]]) 22:02, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
::re {{U|Macrakis}}. See below for a edit request. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 01:10, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

== Protected edit request on 16 October 2014 ==

{{FPER|Template:Language with name|answered=yes}}
<!-- Begin request -->
Please copy full [[:Template:Language with name/sandbox]] code ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ALanguage_with_name%2Fsandbox&diff=629787210&oldid=615648475 this] edit) into live template code. There are two changes:


'''Change 1''': Parameter {{para|name|}} added. Option {{para|name|no}} prevents mentioning of the language name at all.

Example (German; sandbox stack is in place as of today):

Regular:
:<nowiki>{{lang-de/sandbox|Bitte}}</nowiki> &rarr; <nowiki>{{lang-de/sandbox|Bitte}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{lang-de/sandbox|Bitte|links=no}}</nowiki> &rarr; <nowiki>{{lang-de/sandbox|Bitte|links=no}}</nowiki>
New:
:<nowiki>{{lang-de/sandbox|Bitte|name=no}}</nowiki> &rarr; <nowiki>{{lang-de/sandbox|Bitte|name=no}}</nowiki>

'''Goal 1''': This option is useful when <s>the template (and so the language name)</s> ''the language name'' is not to be repeated in a sentence, paragraph or table that has multiple elements of the same language, ''while the template should be used for its other functions''. <small>(rephrase -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 16:13, 16 October 2014 (UTC))</small>

-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 00:41, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

'''Change 2''': Parameter {{para|sep|}}} (for separator) added:

Regular
:<nowiki>{{lang-de/sandbox|Bitte}}</nowiki> &rarr; <nowiki>{{lang-de/sandbox|Bitte}}</nowiki>
New:
:<nowiki>{{lang-de/sandbox|Bitte|sep=xyz}}</nowiki> &rarr; <nowiki>{{lang-de/sandbox|Bitte|sep=xyz}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{lang-de/sandbox|Bitte|sep=}}</nowiki> &rarr; <nowiki>{{lang-de/sandbox|Bitte|sep=}}</nowiki>

'''Goal 2''': the colon might not always be the right punctuation in a given situation (sentence). See also the two posts above.

;Next step
Templates using this metatemplate, like {{tl|lang-de}}, should follow (pass through parameters {{para|name|<nowiki>{{{name|yes}}}</nowiki>}} and {{para|sep|<nowiki>{{{sep|&amp;#58;}}}</nowiki>}}).

<!-- End request -->
-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 01:00, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
::See also [[Template:Language with name/testcases]]. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 21:57, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' all of these. I don't want to implement the changes myself, since I suggested something similar [[:Template_talk:Language_with_name#Some_questions.2Fsuggestions_regarding_this_template|above]]. '''[[User:It Is Me Here|<span style="color:#060">It Is Me Here</span>]]''' <sup>'''[[User_talk:It Is Me Here|<span style="color:#C60">t</span>]] / [[Special:Contribs/It Is Me Here|<span style="color:#C60">c</span>]]'''</sup> 11:13, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
* '''Paused'''. I have put the request on hold, to research more changes. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 06:59, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

== Problems with Template:Lang-la ==

There's a little annoyance that I have noticed. {{tl|lang-la}} produces the redirecting link {{code|[[Latin language|Latin]]}}, which redirects to [[Latin]]. It seems {{tl|lang-la}} uses {{tl|language with name}} to create the link. I don't understand how this template works, so I can't answer this question: Is there a way that {{tl|language with name}} can be modified to produce the sequence {{code|[[x]]}} instead of {{code|[[x language|x]]}} in the cases of languages like [[Latin]] and [[Old English]], whose article names do not end in ''language''? — [[User:Erutuon|Eru]]·[[User_talk:Erutuon|tuon]] 02:32, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
:There would be no advantage to this, since all the redirects are in place.  The good sense is to keep the template as simple as possible to use and to maintain. All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'',<small> 23:27, 24 July 2015 (UTC).</small><br />

==Requirements of parameters for lang-x template==
Hi,<br />Kindly enable the parameters '''links''' and '''lit''' for {{[[Template:lang-fa]]}} as in {{[[Template:lang-ar]]}} ({{color|#278727|<nowiki>{{Language with name|ar|Arabic|{{{1}}}|links={{{links|yes}}}|rtl=yes|lit={{{lit|}}}}}</nowiki>}}).<br />Reference: see {{See section|User talk:Harithvh|Language with name}}.<br />([[User:Harithvh|harith]] ([[User talk:Harithvh|talk]]) 12:21, 28 September 2015 (UTC))
:Would you kindly provide a list of templates needing to be changed? How many are protected? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 14:04, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
:{{done}} I think. Let me know if there are any others. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 19:56, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
::{{replyto|MSGJ}} {{Thank}}, I have not checked all, but the ones I have noted that needed to changed are as follows, the bold ones are those I wanted to change yesterday, but somehow missed: ([[User:Harithvh|harith]] ([[User talk:Harithvh|talk]]) 02:46, 29 September 2015 (UTC))
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{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-bh]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-bpy]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-ckb]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-dv]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-gju]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{'''[[Template:Lang-hin]]'''}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-hif]]}} ({{color|#FF0101|may use italics}})<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-hnd]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-khw]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-kmr]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{'''[[Template:Lang-knn]]'''}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{'''[[Template:Lang-kok]]'''}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-ks]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-ku]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-ku-Arab]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-ku-Cyrl]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-mar]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-mzn]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-ne]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-pa]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-pal]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-peo]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-phr]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-pi]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-pka]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-pra]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-ps]]}} (parameter '''lit''' only)<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-psu]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-pun]]}} (parameter '''lit''' only)<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-raj]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-sdh]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-si]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-skr]]}}<br />{{spaces|6}}{{[[Template:Lang-tg]]}}.
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:::{{replyto|Harithvh}} a lot of these are not protected. Could you just list those that you need help with? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:41, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
::::{{replyto|MSGJ}}Hi, Thanks for the notification, the ones needed help are {{[[Template:Lang-ku]]}}, {{[[Template:Lang-ne]]}}, and {{[[Template:Lang-pa]]}}. {{emdash}}<span style="color:#5cbe49">(<span style="color:#37279a;font-size:11px">[[User:harithvh|harith]]</span><span style="color:#FE279a;font-size:14px">&middot;</span><span style="font-size:9px">[[User talk:Harithvh#top|discuss]]</span>)</span> 03:23, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::{{done}} &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:32, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

== Abbreviation for literally ==
{{Resbox|Done}}
The abbreviation for "literally" should marked up semantically. The lightweight option is {{tag|abbr|params=title="literally"|content=lit.}} which returns: <abbr title="literally">lit.</abbr>. A complete example would be:<br/>
{{xt|{{langx|fr|déjà vu}}, {{abbr|lit.|literally}} already seen}}
<br/>instead of<br/>
{{!xt|[[French language|French]]&#58; {{Lang|fr|déjà vu}}, lit. already seen}}
<br/>Thoughts? —<span style="text-shadow:0 0 .15em #900;color:#900">[[User:LLarson|LLarson]]</span>&#160;<small>([[User talk:LLarson|said]]&#8239;&&#8239;[[Special:Contributions/LLarson|done]])</small> 17:58, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

:I updated the [[Template:Language with name/sandbox|sandbox]] with this proposal, and updated {{t|lang-fr/sandbox}}, {{t|lang-ht/sandbox}}, and {{t|lang-de/sandbox}}, to look to the sandbox instead of the live version of the template. All the pieces come together in [[Special:PermanentLink/711773654#Literally|testcases]], where the demonstration now is live. —<span style="text-shadow:0 0 .15em #900;color:#900">[[User:LLarson|LLarson]]</span> <small>([[User talk:LLarson|said]] &amp; [[Special:Contributions/LLarson|done]])</small> 20:41, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

::{{ping|SMcCandlish}} I submitted this proposal almost three months ago and presented a modified sandbox with testcases almost three weeks ago and there have been no objections. Would you consider updating the template? —<span style="text-shadow:0 0 .15em #900;color:#900">[[User:LLarson|LLarson]]</span> <small>([[User talk:LLarson|said]] &amp; [[Special:Contributions/LLarson|done]])</small> 21:16, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
:::{{ping|LLarson}} Done. Seems straightforward enough.  We shouldn't add that around every abbreviation everywhere. We don't need it for "Dr[.]", for example, and it would be pointless if done to an abbr. used shortly after the expanded version, since it's already clear what it means in context. But it makes sense in a case like this, where it's usually the first (possibly only) occurrence on the page. The only downside I can think of is if it's used several times in the same block of text, e.g. to translate an English colloquial phrase into rough but not literal versions in 5 other languages. We don't do that often, though. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 21:00, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

== Single quotes for value of "lit" parameter ==
Per [[MOS:SINGLE]], it should also be generating single quotes around the gloss supplied in {{para|lit}} (i.e. appearing after the text "<abbr title="literally">lit.</abbr>". I've implemented this in the sandbox, so the test cases in the above thread also testcase this.  I implemented it as <code>&amp;apos;</code>, so that it does not accidentally trigger any parsing problems, e.g. when used with a value that leads or ends with the same character, which would put two in a row and turn on italicization accidentally.  The only downside I can think of is that in a few cases where people have included single quotes around a value manually (e.g. as {{tlx|lang-es|mi casa es su casa|lit{{=}}'my house is your house'}} that it will produce output like: [[Spanish language|Spanish]]
&#58; {{Lang|es|''mi casa es su casa''}}, <abbr title="literally">lit.</abbr> &apos;'my house is your house'&apos;. But this is not a big problem. It just looks like double quotes (which many cases already incorrectly have), and it's not any more incorrect that the majority use (no quotes at all) that we're stuck with in the vast majority of cases. A bot can fix it; just look for any string in this template, occurring after <code>|{{var|[optional whitespace]}}lit{{var|[optional whitespace]}}={{var|[optional whitespace]}}</code> that both begins and ends with a <code>'</code> (or, while we're at it, any other quotation-character pairs). I could probably cobble up the [[regular expression]] to do this myself. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 21:29, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
:You know I’m pretty fond of you and your work, but this doesn’t look quite right to me; apologies if I got the order of operations wrong, but I brought it up on [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Single quotation marks|MOS talk]] instead of here. Thank you, again. —<span style="text-shadow:0 0 .15em #900;color:#900">[[User:LLarson|LLarson]]</span> <small>([[User talk:LLarson|said]] &amp; [[Special:Contributions/LLarson|done]])</small> 16:48, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

== Overhauling the lang-{{var|xx}} templates for more selective italics behavior ==

{{FYI|Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.}}
Please see: [[Template_talk:Lang#Parameter to selectively disable auto-italics in the Lang-xx templates]]<br />
<span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] &gt;<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>&lt; </span> 07:17, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

== Effect of label parameter on lit. ==

In the documentation (for example, near the bottom of [[Template:Lang-la]]), the label parameter description says, "If 'none', suppresses language link and label". However, it also seems to suppress the 'lit.' which is normally generated by the lit parameter, and not just the language label. Is this intended, and if so, should it be changed so that there is a separate control for the lit label?

Compare setting label=none using [[Template:Lang-la]]:<br/>
<nowiki>{{lang-la|salve|lit=hello}}</nowiki><br/>
<nowiki>{{lang-la|salve|lit=hello|label=none}}</nowiki>

with setting labels=no using [[Template:Korean]]:<br/>
{{Korean|안녕|annyeong|lit=hello}}<br/>
{{Korean|안녕|annyeong|lit=hello|labels=no}}

The implementation of label=none and labels=no, respectively, is different. Even though [[Template:Korean]] uses [[Template:Lang]], the plaintext lit label remains even when the labels parameter is off. I'm not sure which one is better for usability and complexity, but I do wonder about it. [[User:ChromeGames923|ChromeGames923]] ([[User talk:ChromeGames923|talk]]) 02:52, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

== Edit request 2021 ==
[[#Why the colon?|Why the colon?]] - The matter has been raised by [[User:Macrakis|Macrakis]] since 2014, but nobody cared, apparently.

I propose to add an optional parameter to suppress the colon, in order to make the text sound more natural in sentences like:
* The surname 'Example' comes from {{font color|green|the}} Latin ''domus'', <small>lit.</small> 'home', following example sentence about the surname.
* this word, from {{font color|green|the}} French ''carton'', has now...
Instead of the present code:
* The surname 'Example' comes from Latin: ''domus'', <small>lit.</small> 'home', following example sentence about the surname.
* this word, from French: ''carton'', has now...

The colon is often useful, but it breaks the natural flow in some contexts. [[User:Est. 2021|Est. 2021]] ([[User talk:Est. 2021|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/Est. 2021|contribs]]) 16:53, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

:Thanks for coming back to this. Suppressing the colon would certainly be useful in continuous text, as you mention. But I think the colon is also superfluous in other contexts. I am pretty sure that standard reference works do not use colons in this way, but I'll have to wait for the libraries to reopen to leaf through a few.... --[[User:Macrakis|Macrakis]] ([[User talk:Macrakis|talk]]) 17:15, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
::Yeah, [[user:DePiep|DePiep]] made a similar statement. [[User:Est. 2021|Est. 2021]] ([[User talk:Est. 2021|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/Est. 2021|contribs]])
:::2014, when I was involved here, is long ago (remember, those times before corona!). Also I'm not this good in English grammar/sentencing/spelling. So I give it a pass if you don't mind. (I will add TemplateData to have [[WP:TPU]] active in March). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 18:10, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

== Obsolete? ==

Hi, where is the usage of this template? Is this template obsolete? [[User:Hooman Mallahzadeh|Hooman Mallahzadeh]] ([[User talk:Hooman Mallahzadeh|talk]]) 17:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
:Click on "What links here" in the left sidebar to see where a template is used, in this case in [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Language_with_name|over 9,000 articles]]. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 19:18, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
::{{ping|Jonesey95}}First item of above link says it is used in the article [[Alaska]], but I still can not find any usage of [[Template:Language with name]] in the below link:
::https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alaska&action=edit
::If you can find it, please mention that to me.[[User:Hooman Mallahzadeh|Hooman Mallahzadeh]] ([[User talk:Hooman Mallahzadeh|talk]]) 19:35, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Jonesey95}} I found that, it is used in [[Template:Lang-rus]].
== Template-protected edit request on 13 January 2022 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Language with name|answered=yes}}
To inherit italic property of first argument text from templates like "[[Template:Lang-rus]]" to this template and from this template to the template [[Template:Lang]] and then pass to [[Module:Lang]], please add this argument "<nowiki>italic={{{italic|unset}}}</nowiki>" i.e., change 
<syntaxhighlight lang="text">
{{#ifeq:{{{links|{{{link|}}}}}}|no
 |{{{2}}}
 |[[{{{2}}} language|{{{2}}}]]
}}&#58; {{Lang|{{{1}}}|{{{3}}}|rtl={{{rtl|}}}|nocat={{{nocat|}}}}}{{#if:{{{4<includeonly>|{{{lit|}}}</includeonly>}}}|, {{small|[[Literal translation|lit.]]&nbsp;}}&#39;{{{4|{{{lit}}}}}}&#39;}}<noinclude>{{documentation}}</noinclude>
</syntaxhighlight>
to
<syntaxhighlight lang="text">
{{#ifeq:{{{links|{{{link|}}}}}}|no
 |{{{2}}}
 |[[{{{2}}} language|{{{2}}}]]
}}&#58; {{Lang|{{{1}}}|{{{3}}}|rtl={{{rtl|}}}|nocat={{{nocat|}}}|italic={{{italic|unset}}}}}{{#if:{{{4<includeonly>|{{{lit|}}}</includeonly>}}}|, {{small|[[Literal translation|lit.]]&nbsp;}}&#39;{{{4|{{{lit}}}}}}&#39;}}<noinclude>{{documentation}}</noinclude>
</syntaxhighlight>
that has an additional argument i.e. "<nowiki>italic={{{italic|unset}}}</nowiki>". You can test this functionality in [[Template:Language with name/sandbox]] and [[Template:Language with name/testcases]]. 
I.e., "<nowiki>{{Lang-rus/sandbox |déjà vu|       lit=already seen|italic=no}}</nowiki>" results in "{{Lang-rus/sandbox|déjà vu|lit=already seen|italic=no}}" that is not italic. And "<nowiki>{{Lang-rus/sandbox |déjà vu|       lit=already seen|italic=yes}}</nowiki>" results in "{{Lang-rus/sandbox|déjà vu|lit=already seen|italic=yes}}" that is italic. But the output of <nowiki>{{Lang-rus|déjà vu|lit=already seen|italic=no}}</nowiki> is {{Lang-rus|déjà vu|lit=already seen|italic=no}} that is incorrectly still italic. So by this small modification i.e., "adding argument <nowiki>italic={{{italic|unset}}}</nowiki>" italic property is inherited.

Thanks, [[User:Hooman Mallahzadeh|Hooman Mallahzadeh]] ([[User talk:Hooman Mallahzadeh|talk]]) 16:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
:{{done}}. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&numsp;-&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>02:33, 14 January 2022 (UTC)</small>
::{{ping|Paine Ellsworth}} Is the default value "unset" in "<nowiki>italic={{{italic|unset}}}</nowiki>" true? If it should be italic in the default case, set it to "yes" or remove "unset" from that argument. Thanks, [[User:Hooman Mallahzadeh|Hooman Mallahzadeh]] ([[User talk:Hooman Mallahzadeh|talk]]) 06:09, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
:::{{to|Hooman Mallahzadeh}} my limited understanding is that any value other than {{para|italic|no}} results in italics. Do you mean that your intial request should have defaulted to "yes" instead of "unset"? '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&numsp;-&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>04:36, 15 January 2022 (UTC)</small>
:::{{done}}, makes no difference. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&numsp;-&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>12:53, 16 January 2022 (UTC)</small>
::::Greetings [[User:Paine_Ellsworth]]. It seems that the code tweek affected [[Template:Lang-ka]] and now all Georgian script-written texts are in Italic. Can you please tweek in a way that Georgian is not affected? Regards, [[User:Emperor of Emperors|An emperor]] /// [[User talk:Emperor of Emperors|Ave]] 16:29, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Paine_Ellsworth|Emperor of Emperors}} To do that, we should set "<nowiki>italic=no</nowiki>" in the template [[Template:Lang-ka]], but in this template, we should set "italic" to "yes" value as the default value. [[User:Hooman Mallahzadeh|Hooman Mallahzadeh]] ([[User talk:Hooman Mallahzadeh|talk]]) 16:46, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
::::::{{to|Hooman Mallahzadeh|Emperor of Emperors|s2=An emperor}} {{tl|Lang-ka}} is {{Fixed}}. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&numsp;-&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>02:10, 17 January 2022 (UTC)</small>
:::::::Thank you dear colleagues! Regards, [[User:Emperor of Emperors|An emperor]] /// [[User talk:Emperor of Emperors|Ave]] 18:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

== Additional languages? ==

Is this an appropriate place to discuss which language templates should exist? It is rare, but I would like to be able to tag words or phrases from [[Moriori language|Moriori]]. If appropriate, I can happily clone another template at {{tl|Lang-rrm}}, using the proposed ISO 639-3 code listed at its article. <span style="font-family:Avenir, Tenorite, Verdana, sans-serif">—&nbsp;<span style="border-radius:0.25em;padding:1px 4px 0;background:#faeded">[[User:HTGS|HTGS]]</span>&nbsp;([[User talk:HTGS|talk]])</span> 21:47, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

== Redirect from Language name ==

I noticed a difference between the English Wikipedia and the versions in other languages. For example, on Wikipedia in other languages {{tln|Swahili}} will result in {{tln|lang-sw}}, while here these redirects don't even exist.
Same for {{tln|Russian}}, {{tln|Ukrainian}}, {{tln|Serbian}}, {{tln|German}}, {{tln|Italian}} etc.

Shouldn't we allow that? [[User:Est. 2021|Est. 2021]] ([[User talk:Est. 2021|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/Est. 2021|contribs]]) 16:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
:Probably not. Templates should be named for what they do, and we would end up with a confusing mix of template purposes. See {{tl|French}}, {{tl|Spanish}}, {{tl|Japanese}}, and others that already exist and point to a variety of template types. I would prefer that those templates did not exist either, or were template disambiguation pages. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 19:26, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 9 November 2024 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Language with name|answered=yes}}
I suggest we add a notice on this page to warn users against creating more ''lang-xx'' templates using this as per [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#Replace_and_delete_lang-??_templates|the TfD]]. It could be worded as such: 
{{Warning|"''Lang-xx''" templates are not to be created using this template anymore. ''Lang-xx'' templates have been deprecated as per [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27#Replace_and_delete_lang-??_templates|this discussion]]. Instead, editors are encouraged to use [[Template:langx]].}} [[User:ChesterChow|Chester]] 🇭🇰 <small>([[User talk:ChesterChow|''talk'']] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/ChesterChow|''contribs'']])</small> 11:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
:Have people been recreating deleted templates? Where is the demonstrated need for this edit notice? 
:
:If you are asking for a change to the documentation page, you can make that change yourself. A template editor is not needed. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 14:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)