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'''Previous discussions:'''

*[[Template talk:Jew/Archive01|Archive 1 (December 2004 to November 2005)]]:
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==[[Land of Israel]]==
[[Land of Israel]] was added by me.--<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">HIZKIAH</span> <small>([[User:HIZKIAH|User]]&nbsp;&#149;&nbsp;[[User_talk:HIZKIAH|Talk]])</small> 15:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== Renewal? ==

How is renewal judaism a den.? Isn't it just another hasidic den.? And shouldn't [[Dor Daim]] be included? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/203.206.248.147|203.206.248.147]] ([[User talk:203.206.248.147|talk]]) 13:16, 24 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== Criticism link ==

I propose adding a link to the criticism page. Back in December, the Mormonism, Buddhism, and Islam templates all had links to their specific criticism page, however Islam removed their citing this template as precedent. Ironically, someone wanted to include the Criticism of Christianity link on the Christianity template, and cited those as precedent. If this is going to be a matter of "Well the Jews don't have the link, so why should we" or "The Mormons have the link, so should the Muslims" etc, we should decided as a whole whether links to these criticism pages are appropriate for the parent religion templates. I believe that all religion templates should have a link to the parent criticism page (if one exists), and that is what I am proposing here. What do we think?-[[User:Andrew c|Andrew c]] 00:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
: I won't have a problem. Criticism and kvetching is our favorite activity anyway. ←[[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] <sup>[[User talk:Humus sapiens|ну]][[Special:Contributions/Humus_sapiens|?]]</sup> 00:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for your comment. A centralized discussion on this general topic can be found at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village%20pump%20(proposals)&oldid=108245504#Criticism_link_on_religion_navigational_boxes Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Criticism link on religion navigational boxes]. -[[User:Andrew c|Andrew c]] 03:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

:::The discussion was in favor of adding criticism links to appropriate infoboxes across the board. However, I do not know the best placement for this link. I was thinking somewhere under the Judaism/core principals header would be best, but if someone else wants to try and place it, please be my guest.-[[User:Andrew c|Andrew c]] 02:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

:::: [[Criticism of Judaism]] already has been added to {{tl|Judaism}} and I think it is indeed appropriate there, because that TL is dedicated to religious topics. I am not sure whether the Criticism link really belongs here, because this particular TL is more about history rather than strictly religion. At least, I can think of a few links more relevant to Jews and Jewish history than religious Criticism of Judaism. ←[[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] <sup>[[User talk:Humus sapiens|ну]][[Special:Contributions/Humus_sapiens|?]]</sup> 04:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== 1) Duplicate link to [[the Holocaust]] and 2) Is [[Ten Lost Tribes]] an ethnic division? ==

Two unrelated topics:
# There is no reason to duplicate the same link. I propose either to replace the 2nd instance with [[Final Solution]] or remove it. 
# Do the lost ten tribes belong in the template next to Ashkenazi · Sephardi · Mizrahi? In any case, if we include the <u>lost</u> ancient tribes, then maybe [[Israelites]] deserve to be included? ←[[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] <sup>[[User talk:Humus sapiens|ну]][[Special:Contributions/Humus_sapiens|?]]</sup> 01:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I have removed both for now, thus saving 2 lines. ←[[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] <sup>[[User talk:Humus sapiens|ну]][[Special:Contributions/Humus_sapiens|?]]</sup> 01:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

== change of order ==

Since Jewish political movements are very recent historical phenomenon, and Jewish history and persecution are very old, I'm moving Jewish political movements to the end. [[User:Yehoishophot Oliver|Yehoishophot Oliver]] 15:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== Languages ==

Do we really need all those languages? They certainly seem less relevant than the other sections.

I think the bottom two lines of the languages section could easily come off. Is there anyone who objects to this? --[[user:Eliyak|Eliyak]] <small>[[User_talk:Eliyak|T]]</small>·<small>[[Special:Contributions/Eliyak|C]]</small> 21:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'm going to go ahead and remove those lines. --[[user:Eliyak|Eliyak]] <small>[[User_talk:Eliyak|T]]</small>·<small>[[Special:Contributions/Eliyak|C]]</small> 17:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

== What's with the massive whitespace on the right side of the template? ==

Does anyone else see it? And why on Earth does it show up? It's so annoying. [[User:Lockesdonkey|Lockesdonkey]] ([[User talk:Lockesdonkey|talk]]) 04:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

==China==
Is the mention of China necessary in the 'Population (Historical)' section? It isn't historically an established religion just as it is in say India or Iran etc. It’s just not something that’s been relatively recent, and the alleged 'history' is still rather dubious according to many sources, I think it should be removed from the list. [[User:Smarred Wolet|Smarred Wolet]] ([[User talk:Smarred Wolet|talk]]) 20:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== Little problem ==

Check out the template [[Jewish history|here]], why are the images scaled non-uniformly?  —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fixman|Fixman]] ([[User talk:Fixman|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fixman|contribs]]) 16:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)<!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Expandable version ==

I've put together a version which makes use of {{tl|Navbox with collapsible groups}} to considerably shrink the template's footprint. Here it is (code is at [[User:Eliyak/work/jew]]):

One great feature is that a section can be automatically focused. For example, <nowiki>{{User:Eliyak/work/jew|principles}}</nowiki> produces:

{| style= "background:transparent;"
|valign= top | {{User:Eliyak/work/jew}}
|valign=top | {{User:Eliyak/work/jew|principles}}
|}

--[[User:Eliyak|Eliyak]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Eliyak|T]]</small>·<small>[[Special:Contributions/Eliyak|C]]</small> 17:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Lack of comments means I am moving ahead with the change. If it proves unpopular, it can always be reverted. --[[User:Eliyak|Eliyak]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Eliyak|T]]</small>·<small>[[Special:Contributions/Eliyak|C]]</small> 01:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


* How about this version, which uses {{tl|Sidebar with collapsible lists}}..? It's also a little thinner, for the sake of smaller windows/screens:

{| style="padding-top:1.0em; background:transparent;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;"
|style="width:20.0em;"| {{User:Sardanaphalus/Template workspace/Jews and Judaism sidebar}}
|style="width:20.0em;"| {{User:Sardanaphalus/Template workspace/Jews and Judaism sidebar |expanded=Religion}}
|}

: Should be possible to tweak any unfancied styling. The template page would also include {{tl|collapsible lists option}}, i.e.
{{collapsible lists option |listnames="Religion", "Texts", "Ethnicities", "Populations", "Denominations", "Languages", "History" or "Politics" |example=Religion}}
: [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 19:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

:* Have implemented the above. [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 02:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== Menorah? ==

Is it really neccessary for a menorah to be used in the template. For one, Hanukkah is a very unimportant holiday in Judaism, and most would not celebrate it if not for its proximity to Christmas. Secondly, A picture of a Torah would do the job much better.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.194.203.128|98.194.203.128]] ([[User talk:98.194.203.128|talk]]) 03:00, 4 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:It's a picture of a seven-branched [[Menorah (Temple)|menorah]], an ancient symbol of Judaism, not a nine-branched [[Menorah (Hanukkah)|hanukiah]] (Hanukkah menorah). — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]]&nbsp;{{toolbar|separator=dot|[[User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]] }} 03:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

== Texts need to be edited. ==

Ehm, the Tanya should not be on this list. Nor should the Tur or Zohar IMO but that is up to discussion. [[Special:Contributions/93.172.54.207|93.172.54.207]] ([[User talk:93.172.54.207|talk]]) 18:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

:Could you explain why you feel that way? — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]]&nbsp;{{toolbar|separator=dot|[[User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]] }} 18:30, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
These books only represent segments of Judaism. This template is universal and should not contain information relavent only to some segments. 12:11, 18 January 2010 (UTC)  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/192.118.11.112|192.118.11.112]] ([[User talk:192.118.11.112|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Archive ==

This page is 71 kilobytes long. Some discussion dated back to three years ago. Obviously older discussion should be archived like [[Template talk:Jew/Archive01]]. Will anyone do so? --[[User:Quest for Truth|Quest for Truth]] ([[User talk:Quest for Truth|talk]]) 03:51, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

::Done. — [[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]]&nbsp;{{toolbar|separator=dot|[[User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]] }} 04:01, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Good work, as always!  --[[User:AFriedman|AFriedman]] ([[User talk:AFriedman|talk]]) 04:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request from 70.233.168.71, 21 July 2010 ==

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They did not include The Jewish denomination of The Karaites


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[[Special:Contributions/70.233.168.71|70.233.168.71]] ([[User talk:70.233.168.71|talk]]) 14:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please be more specific about what needs to be changed.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:A930913|930913]]([[User_talk:A930913|Congratulate]]) 23:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from 78.151.157.68, 23 August 2010 ==

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[[Special:Contributions/78.151.157.68|78.151.157.68]] ([[User talk:78.151.157.68|talk]]) 13:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Kurdish Jews

[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please be more specific about what needs to be changed.<!-- Template:ESp --> --<span id="Imagine Wizard" class="plainlinks" >[[User:Imagine Wizard|Imagine Wizard]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Imagine Wizard|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Imagine Wizard|contribs]] <small>•</small> [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/ec/{{urlencode:Imagine Wizard}} <span style="color:#002bb8">count</span>]</span>) <small>[[Pig Latin|Iway amway Imagineway Izardway.]]</small> 14:24, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request from 74.108.111.8, 17 November 2010 ==

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Green Zionists (Green Zionism) should be listed among the types of Zionists/Zionism. 

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:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> -[[User:Atmoz|Atmoz]] ([[User talk:Atmoz|talk]]) 14:11, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:Removed, per [[WP:UNDUE]]. Template space is at a premium. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup>[[User_talk:Jayjg|<small style="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</small>]]</sup> 23:51, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

==Samaritan==
Could someobdy add [[Samaritan]] to the list of denominations please? thanks [[Special:Contributions/84.13.28.220|84.13.28.220]] ([[User talk:84.13.28.220|talk]]) 09:26, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:Samaritans are not Jews.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 12:45, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

==Messianic Judaism==
Please add Messianic as one of the denominations of Jews.  Messianic Jews are one of the largest growing denominations of Jews in Israel and the world.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.253.170.115|69.253.170.115]] ([[User talk:69.253.170.115|talk]]) 14:42, 24 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Please read Wikipedia's article about [[Messianic Judaism]]. It isn't considered Judaism by any of the major Jewish religious movements, which means it has no place in a template about Judaism. —&nbsp;[[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|Stalk]]</sub> 04:56, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
:Messianic Jews might be considered a related group to Jews, but it has a very fluent ethnic definition merging into multiple nationals adopting it, rather that ethnic Jews, practicing Christianity.[[User:Greyshark09|Greyshark09]] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|talk]]) 18:06, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

== Jewish "ethnicities" ==

"Ethnicities" renamed into "communities", since Jews are an ethno-religious community with single Jewish ethnicity and sub-groups within. Related ethno-religious groups (Khazars, Samaritans, Lembas) were separated from ethnically Jewish (Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Yemenite) communities in the bar.[[User:Greyshark09|Greyshark09]] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|talk]]) 18:13, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

==Leadership==

I propose deletion of the leadership section. There are only about 25 people listed, any any listing is bound to be very incomplete and extremely subjective. [[User:Ypnypn|ypnypn]] ([[User talk:Ypnypn|talk]]) 16:52, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Changed it to Prominent figures. [[User:DaoXan|DaoXan]] ([[User talk:DaoXan|DaoXan]]) 10:10, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2019 ==

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The wiki page on skeksis ( movie character) there is large sections about jews. It seems to be placed there on accident [[Special:Contributions/75.134.99.19|75.134.99.19]] ([[User talk:75.134.99.19|talk]]) 17:40, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

:{{Not done}}.  I can't find anything here that refers to what you're talking about.  What do you mean? &ndash;[[User:Deacon Vorbis|Deacon Vorbis]]&nbsp;([[User Talk:Deacon Vorbis|carbon]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Deacon Vorbis|videos]]) 19:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

== Population topic ==
Hi, I was wondering if in the Population section we could instead have ''North America'' and ''South America'' rather than ''North America'' and ''Latin America and the Caribbean''. There are countries in Latin America that also belong to North America so it makes no sense to have one section be geographic (North America) and the other geo-linguistic (Latin America). It's too arbitrary. Mexico, for example, belongs to both North America and Latin America. All the other regions are entirely geographic (Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania, etc) but for some reason only Latin America is geo-linguistic. [[User:DemianStratford|DemianStratford]] ([[User talk:DemianStratford|talk]]) 05:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

:{{fixed|[[special:diff/1097709937|Fixed]]}} — [[User:Guarapiranga|Guarapiranga]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Guarapiranga|☎]] 07:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2023 ==

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Typo on 'Democrstic Republic of the Congo' in the sidebar: Democrstic --> Democratic. [[Special:Contributions/195.224.192.68|195.224.192.68]] ([[User talk:195.224.192.68|talk]]) 13:48, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 13:52, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2024 ==

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Add Misnagdim as jewish denomination. [[Special:Contributions/80.39.130.144|80.39.130.144]] ([[User talk:80.39.130.144|talk]]) 20:36, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
:{{not done}} [[Misnagdim]] isn't a denomination. '''[[User:Andrevan|Andre]]'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">[[User_talk:Andrevan|🚐]]</span> 21:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)