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== Planned Hub ==

I would like to ask if putting "planned" after a specific airport which is considered as secondary hub is accepted or not? I have noticed an edit on [[Philippine Airlines]] where [[Clark International Airport]] is planned to become PAL's secondary hub. [[User:SkyHigher|SkyHigher]] ([[User talk:SkyHigher|talk]]) 03:32, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

:It may be best to wait until it actually is, and planned things can just be mentioned in the main body. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 20:10, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

== Airport lounges  ==

A list of the names, but not of which airport, of various airport lounges in infobox (see infobox of the article of [[Cathay Pacific]]) would be meaningless to a novice. Is there any encyclopedic value for such list?---[[User:Now wiki|Now wiki]] ([[User talk:Now wiki|talk]]) 15:44, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

:Not really most of the stuff we have on lounges is bordering on travel guide stuff, so unless they are individually notable for some reason you are probably right and should not be included in the infobox. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 20:09, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

::Noted.---[[User:Now wiki|Now wiki]] ([[User talk:Now wiki|talk]]) 15:33, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

:::When will the template be updated???---[[User:Now wiki|Now wiki]] ([[User talk:Now wiki|talk]]) 15:35, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:I agree that the names of airport lounges is unnecessary. [[User:AHeneen|AHeneen]] ([[User talk:AHeneen|talk]]) 01:43, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
:: done. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 14:53, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

== Additional fields ==
It would be great if we could add additional fields of stats that are commonly measured like PRKs (revenue per passenger kilometer), ASK (available seat kilometers), Load factor, and Passengers per year. Is anyone willing to do this?[[User:Keizers|Keizers]] ([[User talk:Keizers|talk]]) 19:48, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

:Most readers probably would not have a clue what they are, are this figures actually included in the main body of the article? Appears to be something that could be done in wikidata rather than here. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 20:13, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

:Load factor is usually a value that is used to measure the performance of a particular route, I don't think I have ever seen it used to measure the performance of an entire airline. ASK and annual ''revenue'' passengers are common figures to measure airline performance and would be appropriate measurements for the infobox. I'm not too sure about whether PRKs would be appropriate. [[User:AHeneen|AHeneen]] ([[User talk:AHeneen|talk]]) 01:41, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

:I'm quite surprised that no one gets what I am asking for here. For example, it is QUITE common to wonder how much passengers are carried per year [[User:Keizers|Keizers]] ([[User talk:Keizers|talk]]) 14:19, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

== Air Way Bill prefix ==
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In addition to the two primary codes (IATA and ICAO) that identify airlines, most cargo airlines have a three digit air way bill prefix as well. This code is used on shipping documents. It is almost universally used for anything involving an airline in the role of a cargo carrier. [https://www.azfreight.com/airline_names_codes_results.html AZFreight's list of airlines] has a relatively complete list, for example. The information seems clearly encyclopedic, and I would therefore recommend added ''awb_prefix'' or, if brevity is desired, ''awb'' as a field, to be displayed above or below the ISIN field. [[User:Waitak|Waitak]] ([[User talk:Waitak|talk]]) 22:14, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
:{{notdone}} Please make your edits in [[Template:Infobox airline/sandbox|the sandbox]] and verify use, then reactivate the edit request. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 13:24, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

== Add field for Ticket Stock number ==
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I would like to add the airline's ticket stock number (a three digit number) to the template - and also use that data, as it becomes available, for an automatically created list of ticket stock numbers. This information is sometimes hard to come by. However, I don't know how to do this on Wikipedia. :-)
[[User:Ds77|Ds77]] ([[User talk:Ds77|talk]]) 20:24, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
:I agree that this template needs the "traded_as" field for the stock code/number, such as found in [[Template:Infobox company]]. This was previously discussed above in the section [[Template talk:Infobox airline#Needs traded_as field (and possibly others)|Needs traded_as field (and possibly others)]] with compelling arguments but no clear consensus for inclusion, but the above comment is the second additional person supporting this field. As such, I have added the edit request. [[User:AHeneen|AHeneen]] ([[User talk:AHeneen|talk]]) 01:04, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
:: Ds77 is talking about the three-digit "prefix" or "accounting" codes. These are allotted by IATA and appear on printed tickets. I'm disabling {{tl|Edit template-protected}}, which should only be used when there's consensus for a change. [[User:Alakzi|Alakzi]] ([[User talk:Alakzi|talk]]) 01:14, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
:::As we are not a travel guide I cant see any encyclopedic value in the accounting code being displayed, which as far as I know are never mentioned in the article body because they are not notable. Perhaps something for wikidata. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 11:41, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, it would be convenient to add that field. IATA names it "Accounting code (PAX)" and/or "Airline prefix code", as seen in their code look-up page: http://www.iata.org/publications/Pages/code-search.aspx. For instance, if you search for ''LH'', you will see that the prefix code is 220. So, what about {{mono|prefix_code}} for that new field? I can add it in case you agree. -- [[User:Denis.arnaud|Denis.arnaud]] ([[User talk:Denis.arnaud|talk]]) 16:49, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
::As already mentioned this is not a travel guide and it has no encyclopedic value so I don't agree that it should be added here, perhaps a field for wikidata. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 11:15, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Proposal created on Wikidata: [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Airline Accounting Code|Wikidata:Property proposal/Airline Accounting Code]], and its [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Transportation#Airline accounting code|transclusion in the transportation section]] -- [[User:Denis.arnaud|Denis.arnaud]] ([[User talk:Denis.arnaud|talk]]) 09:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
::::Thats up to wikidata but you cant include in this infobox witout gaining a consensus here, but they could use it on wikitravel. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 20:43, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::Sure, it was already made clear in the discussion above. The idea is just to add it to Wikidata for now. I mentioned that proposal on Wikidata because it was suggested as the potential way to go. -- [[User:Denis.arnaud|Denis.arnaud]] ([[User talk:Denis.arnaud|talk]]) 20:48, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::Understood. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 08:09, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

== Destination count ==
At the risk of asking a silly question, what is the consensus: does a hub also count as a destination? I've noticed that some articles on small airlines seem not to count hubs as destinations, but it seems obvious to me that a hub is simultaneously a destination, and should both be listed by name as a hub *and* counted in the number of destinations. Thoughts? [[User:Carguychris|Carguychris]] ([[User talk:Carguychris|talk]]) 22:10, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
: From an airline perspective (I worked at one), a hub definitely counts as a destination. [[User:Keizers|Keizers]] ([[User talk:Keizers|talk]]) 04:14, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

== Extra Image ==

I've just added the ability to have an image in the infobox in addition to the logo. Most infoboxes seem to have the ability to have multiple images. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]], [[User talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Uqaqtuq (talk)]], [[Special:Contributions/CambridgeBayWeather|Sunasuttuq]] 08:11, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

== Fate parameter ==

Is there a specific reason why 'fate' parameter isn't available with this infobox, to explain why the airline is now defunct, much like [[Template:Infobox company]]? It seems logical to have that option here as well, given that a 'ceased operations' parameter exists.--[[User:The Navigators|The Navigators]] ([[User Talk:The Navigators|talk]]) 04:09, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

== Remove slogan ==

This template still has a slogan, which was removed from {{txl|Infobox company}} on the basis that it is just promotional. I agree; every time I see a slogan in the infobox I think to myself "why are we letting the marketing department into the infobox". Anything truly significant about an airline's slogan can be discussed in the article. But inclusion in the infobox is not warranted. [[User:MB|<b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b>]] 19:12, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
:{{u|Frietjes}}, there has been no objection here for a month. Would you feel comfortable removing slogan based on the lack of response here, as well as the consensus at the more general {{txl|Infobox company}} since an airline is really a specific type of company? [[User:MB|<b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b>]] 16:25, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
::[[WP:SILENCE]] probably applies. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 19:23, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
::: removed and tracked in [[:Category:Pages using infobox airline with company slogan]] until there are fewer to track. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 14:11, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

== Documentation encourages small text within key_people ==

This appears to be out of step with [[MOS:SMALLTEXT]], which states "Avoid using smaller font sizes within elements that already use a smaller font size, such as infoboxes, navboxes, and reference sections". The same issue exists with revenue, income and assets fields. Should infobox airline use a style that is visibly different from infobox company? [[User:Chris the speller|<span style="color: #C30;">'''Chris'''</span>&nbsp;<span style="color: #060;">'''the&nbsp;speller'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Chris the speller|<span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span>]] 15:21, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
: {{U|Chris the speller}}, go ahead and fix the documentation. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:56, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 2 January 2020 ==

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Remove all HTML markup and WP templates that specify font size, such as <nowiki>{{small|}}, {{smaller|}}, <small>, <smaller>. </small>, </smaller></nowiki>. See the talk page. These are found in parameter instructions, examples and notes for key_people, and parameters for revenue, operating income, net income, assets, equity, losses, etc. [[User:Chris the speller|<span style="color: #C30;">'''Chris'''</span>&nbsp;<span style="color: #060;">'''the&nbsp;speller'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Chris the speller|<span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span>]] 18:27, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
:[[File:Full-protection-shackle-no-text.svg|20px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;'''Not done:''' {{tlx|edit template-protected}} is usually not required for edits to the documentation, categories, or interlanguage links of templates using a [[Wikipedia:Template documentation#How to create a documentation subpage|documentation subpage]]. Use the 'edit' link at the top of the green "Template documentation" box to edit the documentation subpage.<!-- Template:ETp --> – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 18:38, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

:{{Done}} OK, I made the changes myself using the method you suggested. [[User:Chris the speller|<span style="color: #C30;">'''Chris'''</span>&nbsp;<span style="color: #060;">'''the&nbsp;speller'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Chris the speller|<span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span>]] 21:02, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

== Image conflict ==

The doc shows {{para|image}}, but undocumented {{para|logo}} is a working alias that is actually used more often. If you use image=, but include logo= with no value, the image is not displayed. {{u|Frietjes}} ? [[User:MB|<b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b>]] 18:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

:Iam not convinced that this template needs an "image" when it was designed to show a logo and not a random aircraft picture. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 19:23, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
:: seems reasonable.  for now I have unnested the parameters to prevent the non-obvious from happening. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 20:04, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

== Template:Infobox airline/doc#Example wikidata problems ==

The wikidata property link template only works to a 'P' code from Wikidata. The wikidata entity link will work with both 'Q' and 'P' codes. If you go to [[:Template:Infobox airline/doc#Example]] and click on the hyperlinks, for example, on one of the airlines or hubs, it only goes to 'Bad request'. The documentation really needs to be updated to either each 'Q' code for each entity, or just link it to the English Wikipedia page. [[User:Funandtrvl|Funandtrvl]] ([[User talk:Funandtrvl|talk]]) 21:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
:if the purpose was to link to the Wikidata property pages, then this template needs to be coded like [[:Template:Infobox company]], where for the ISIN parameter, the data will already be coded for Wikidata, like this:  <code><nowiki>{{#if:{{{ISIN|{{wikidata|property|raw|P946}}}}}</nowiki></code>

== Adding Membership section in template ==

Hey there,

Can there be the addition of a Membership section? It would be similar to the section of “alliance”. The reason is because certain airlines, like Arab carriers belong to a specific organization called the ‘Arab Air Carriers Organization’. I suspect other airlines around the world might have memberships in their own respective organizations so this will be a good addition to have. Thanks [[User:WatanWatan2020|WatanWatan2020]] ([[User talk:WatanWatan2020|talk]]) 00:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
:There already is a section for alliance memberships which is sufficient. There aren't many other conglomerates as the AACO.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.174.169.170|188.174.169.170]] ([[User talk:188.174.169.170#top|talk]]) 20:58, 30 December 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Add Founder  ==
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Someone please add a new field for Founder. Currently, key people field is packed with founder names in addition to corporate leaders.[[User:Srijanx22|Srijanx22]] ([[User_talk:Srijanx22|talk]])  00:40, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ETp --> You may now use {{para|founder|one person}} or {{para|founders|multiple people}}. [[User:GKFX]]<sup>[[User talk:GKFX|talk]]</sup> 10:41, 23 October 2021 (UTC)