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== white-space: nowrap ==

Is there a reason for the nowrap declaration? It gives odd rendering on some wider pronunciations, e.g. [[Auschwitz concentration camp|1]], [[Christian Social Union of Bavaria|2]], [[Palestine Liberation Organization|3]], [[North Rhine-Westphalia|4]], [[Pope John Paul II|5]] (resize the browser window until you see the problem). --[[User:MinorContributor|MinorContributor]] ([[User talk:MinorContributor|talk]]) 14:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

: I understand that the nowrap is meant to tie the speaker icon and the first word together; but it actually ties all the words, resulting in odd line-breaks. I notice that two of my examples have been edited to use a different audio template. --[[User:MinorContributor|MinorContributor]] ([[User talk:MinorContributor|talk]]) 17:32, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

::You're right; I noticed the same problem. {{diff2|439636055|It should be fixed now}}. (For future reference, {{diff2|260321726|this}} was the edit that introduced it) --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] <sup>[[User talk:Waldir|talk]]</sup> 15:54, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

== Apply hAudio microformat ==

{{FPER|answered=yes}}
Please make the following changes, to apply the [http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio hAudio microformat]:

<pre style="overflow: auto"><code><nowiki>
<span class="unicode" style="white-space:nowrap;">[[File:Loudspeaker.svg|11px|link=File:{{{1}}}|About this sound]] [[:Media:{{{1|}}}|{{{2|{{{1|}}}}}}]]{{#ifeq:{{{help|}}}|no||&#32;<small class="metadata audiolinkinfo" style="cursor:help;">([[Wikipedia:Media help|<span style="cursor:help;">help</span>]]·[[:Image:{{{1|}}}|<span style="cursor:help;">info</span>]])</small>}}</span>
</nowiki></code></pre>

to:

<pre style="overflow: auto"><code><nowiki>
<span class="unicode haudio" style="white-space:nowrap;"><span class="fn">[[File:Loudspeaker.svg|11px|link=File:{{{1}}}|About this sound]] [[:Media:{{{1|}}}|{{{2|{{{1|}}}}}}]]</span>{{#ifeq:{{{help|}}}|no||&#32;<small class="metadata audiolinkinfo" style="cursor:help;">([[Wikipedia:Media help|<span style="cursor:help;">help</span>]]·[[:Image:{{{1|}}}|<span style="cursor:help;">info</span>]])</small>}}{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{ns:0}}|[[Category:Articles with hAudio microformats]]}}</span>
</nowiki></code></pre>

No visual changes will occur and the category is hidden.  For background see the [[WP:UF|microformats project]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (User:<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Andy's talk]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

:I have a few questions. 
:# fn/album is a required element and should be a title/short description of the audio sample. But here it is just the link to the audio file itself, and the "About this sound" tooltip right ? That doesn't seem correct to men. This doesn't seem as a correct usage of the hAudio format to me.
:# Wikipedia doesn't in general include descriptions of its files in the article content, unless absolutely related (tracklists and samples on Artist/album pages). In other cases, we usually reserve that for the File description page. I think we should do that here as well. Unless there is a hAudio tag "Audio version of page" and "audio version of page title", i don't think we should tag these {{tl|audio}} and {{tl|Spoken Wikipedia}}. Any other metadata is pointless and incorrect in my opinion for these files. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 15:37, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

::Your assumptions are not correct. As pointed out previously, such microformats describe the wrapped content, not the whole page. The "fn" would be the text attribute of the template. For example, in the examples on this template's documentation page, the emitted "fn" of the audio file would be "pronunciation". That seems reasonable to me; and accords with the microformat specification. No "audio version of page" is involved; no other metadata (apart from the implied fact that the item referred to is an audio file) is emitted.. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (User:<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Andy's talk]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Hmm, I can't see the value in this case. "Pronunciation of theword" would be useful, but now it is contextless metadata (at least, as contextless as without the tag). That's why I said that if there was a marker to note that the context is the entire page/title or something, it would be useful, but not like this. As stated before, I am a big opponent of incorrect or meaningless metadata. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 17:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::You're assuming that the metadata is meaningless. That's not the case. Consider, for instance, its use in [[Dead Sea]] or [[Stab-in-the-back legend]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (User:<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Andy's talk]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 18:45, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Discussion seems to be over; request re-activated. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (User:<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Andy's talk]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 23:24, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:The discussion may have waned, but at the moment you do not seem to have support for this change. I'll ask TheDJ to comment again. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 14:44, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::I still object, but since I seem to be the only one to care about this useless clutter in our HTML pages, I don't see what else to do about it. I'm not gonna run an RFC to stop this. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 15:24, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::One proponent and one opponent does not make a consensus. I've disabled the request again. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 10:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

*FYI: [[Wikipedia:VPP#Microformats]]. –[[user:xeno|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">'''xeno'''</span>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:black;">talk</sup>]] 13:37, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Request reactivated. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:{{cross}} '''Declined.''' There is no consensus for the proposed edit. Please establish consensus prior to making the request. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">'''&nbsp;Sandstein&nbsp;'''</span>]]</span></small> 10:09, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:Does anyone object to this change? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:47, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
:No objections in over three weeks; request reactivated. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 23:10, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
:: [[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EP --> Still no consensus. In the face of past objections, applying [[WP:SILENCE]] to the past three weeks seems questionable at best. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 04:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:::How long do you suggest we give it, or how else do we determine consensus, then? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:07, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

There have been no objections, in over a year. Surely long enough. Please apply the change, <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:20, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EP --> I was on the fence about whether or not to fulfil this, but despite the long time that has elapsed since the original request, I doubt that the previous objections to this have gone away. This question really needs to be brought to a wider audience before we can judge whether there is a consensus to implement it. Perhaps start a new thread on [[WP:VPT]] or [[WP:VPR]]? — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪ talk ♪]]</sup> 15:04, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

* I have no objections to adding the extra classes.  I do have two questions however:
*# Why are you maintaining the pseudo "Image" and "Media" namespaces instead of changing them to "File"?
*# What is the expectations and intent of adding the categorization?
::: <span class="ShoeSig">— [[User:Technical 13]]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Technical_13|C]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Technical_13|M]]&nbsp;• [[User:Technical_13/Sig|Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ]])</span> 17:25, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Thank you. Happy for (1) to be changed. (2) is for tracking, in keeping with other microformat-emitting templates. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
::::Which other templates?  Can you link some of the other templates/categories? [[:Category:Articles with hAudio microformats]] <span class="ShoeSig">— [[User:Technical 13]]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Technical_13|C]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Technical_13|M]]&nbsp;• [[User:Technical_13/Sig|Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ]])</span> 17:58, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::See lists at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Microformats#Categories]] <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 18:58, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

* So the revised proposal is:
<syntaxhighlight lang="bibtex">
<span class="unicode haudio" style="white-space:nowrap;"><span class="fn">[[File:Loudspeaker.svg|11px|link=File:{{{1}}}|About this sound]] [[:File:{{{1|}}}|{{{2|{{{1|}}}}}}]]</span>{{#ifeq:{{{help|}}}|no||&#32;<small class="metadata audiolinkinfo" style="cursor:help;">([[Wikipedia:Media help|<span style="cursor:help;">help</span>]]·[[:File:{{{1|}}}|<span style="cursor:help;">info</span>]])</small>}}{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{ns:0}}|[[Category:Articles with hAudio microformats]]}}</span>
</syntaxhighlight>
:Correct?  What was to original opposition? <span class="ShoeSig">— [[User:Technical 13]]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Technical_13|C]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Technical_13|M]]&nbsp;• [[User:Technical_13/Sig|Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ]])</span> 19:06, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
::Yes; that looks correct. Thank you again. I'm at a loss to understand The DJs objections, which are in this section, dated three years ago. The only other objections seem to be about process. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:16, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
:::<span style="background-color: #EAFFEA;">[[Image:Artículo bueno.svg|18px|link=|alt=<span style="color: #148C14;">&#x2714;</span>]]&nbsp;<span class="ShoeSig">— [[User:Technical 13]]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Technical_13|C]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Technical_13|M]]&nbsp;• [[User:Technical_13/Sig|Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ]])</span>&nbsp;gives&nbsp;his&nbsp;support&nbsp;for&nbsp;this&nbsp;section's&nbsp;subject&nbsp;at&nbsp;19:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)</span>

Please apply the "revised proposal" from Technical 13, just above this comment. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 18:52, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

{{done}} Given that the last objection was in 2010 and that in his/her last comment The DJ seems (to me) to have softened in his/her objection. Let me know if anything in the code I inserted is incorrect. --[[User:Rannpháirtí anaithnid|<span style="color:black;">RA</span>]] ([[User talk:Rannpháirtí anaithnid|talk]]) 20:46, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
:Thank you. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 22:24, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

A problem has arisen in the change of "media:" to "file:", See below and  [[Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#How to interpret WP:NFCC#7 for audio files]]. [[User:Thincat|Thincat]] ([[User talk:Thincat|talk]]) 14:19, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


== Italian link ==
The italian template isn't more [[it:Template:Audio|Template:Audio]] but [[it:Template:Link Audio|Template:Link Audio]] --[[User:Razzairpina|Razzairpina]] ([[User talk:Razzairpina|talk]]) 11:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:You can update the interwiki link yourself on [[Template:Audio/doc]]. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 16:37, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

== :Image: ==

Use :File: instead of :Image: [[User:Emijrp|emijrp]] ([[User talk:Emijrp|talk]]) 11:17, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== Extra nbsp in /doc ==

Very minor point:<br />
The example involving Bordeaux includes this text:<br />
<nowiki>& nbsp ;) is a [[Seaport|port]] city</nowiki><br />
where you have a nbsp inside the parentheses, and it's visible as a gratuitous space on the main page.<br />
Why is it a requirement here? [[User:Varlaam|Varlaam]] ([[User talk:Varlaam|talk]]) 16:46, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
: It wasn't just in the doc, the same thing happened in actual use of the template when printing. I fixed it, and updated the doc with a new example since the file previously used was deleted from Commons. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 17:43, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
::{{done}}. Thank you, Anomie. I think we all know you as your ''doppelgänger'', Anomiebot, which is a reliable little bot.
::Cheers, [[User:Varlaam|Varlaam]] ([[User talk:Varlaam|talk]]) 19:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

== Something's wrong with &amp;nbsp; ==

Hi. There are instances where the page breaks soon after the speaker icon, and a space is visible at the beginning of the next line, which looks wrong. See for example [[Carl Linnaeus]] (using Firefox, try resizing until the break is in the right place). Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/220.246.157.2|220.246.157.2]] ([[User talk:220.246.157.2|talk]]) 07:58, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

== [[WP:NFCC#7]] problem ==

Due to a change to this template, lots of files suddenly show up as unused. This means that lots of audio files may be deleted as "orphaned fair use". See [[Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#How to interpret WP:NFCC#7 for audio files]] for a discussion related to this. --[[User:Stefan2|Stefan2]] ([[User talk:Stefan2|talk]]) 21:52, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 2 November 2015 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Audio|answered=y}}
<!-- Begin request -->
Please remove <code><nowiki> style="white-space:nowrap"</nowiki></code> and add <code><nowiki><span style="white-space:nowrap"></nowiki></code> ending just after the no-break space. This way line breaks are allowed inside the link text, but not between the text and the speaker icon. Currently the text will not wrap even if it's very long, for example in the lead section at [[Nazi Party]] ("Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" is wider than my mobile phone's screen in portrait). I've made the changes at [[User:Hairy Dude/Audio]] with a demonstration at [[User:Hairy Dude/sandbox]].
<!-- End request -->
[[User:Hairy Dude|Hairy Dude]] ([[User talk:Hairy Dude|talk]]) 15:20, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
:What if we just removed the nowrap altogether? I'm not convinced your code would fix this issue. And I don't understand your test on [[User:Hairy Dude/sandbox]] because you're passing all sorts of spans and classes in the second parameter. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 11:08, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
:: The span is just manually substed from {{tl|lang-de}}, which uses this. I've removed it now since it isn't pertinent to this discussion ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hairy_Dude/sandbox&oldid=690114633 permalink]). The classes don't affect styling (except they may force a Unicode font) and the other attributes tell screen readers and the like what language it is. I added a border to demonstrate that it doesn't wrap after the icon. As for removing the nowrap, there are several discussions above about adding it, so clearly editors feel the need for it. [[User:Hairy Dude|Hairy Dude]] ([[User talk:Hairy Dude|talk]]) 11:12, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:::So the idea is that it will not break between the icon and the first word, but it can break after that? I would have expected the nbsp to achieve that by itself, but apparently not. By the way, the edit that introduced this ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Audio&diff=next&oldid=501914970]) seems to have unintentionally reintroduced some 2010 code back into the template, so I'm not sure it was based on a consensus discussion. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 11:33, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:::No further comments, so I have deployed the proposed code. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 11:45, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

== Speaker Icon ==

Why oh why is the speaker icon linking to the file?

For the life of me I couldn't figure out the link between the .ogg (linked to by "listen") and the actual file page. It turns out that link IS included, but using the speaker icon.

It never occurred to me to click (or hover over) the speaker icon since it is associated with sound.

We really need a better arrangement. If anything, the speaker icon should link to the listen link.

Obviously the file link should still be there, but not associated with the speaker icon.

[[User:CapnZapp|CapnZapp]] ([[User talk:CapnZapp|talk]]) 20:09, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
:For what it's worth, some deprecated similar templates used a blue icon like [[File:Speakerlink.svg|11px]] to indicate the icon provided a link. Maybe that's at least better than the black one? [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 14:57, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

== What to do with MIDIs? ==

[[File:Beethoven Op. 33 no. 1.mid|thumb]]
MIDI files can now be played just like any other file when shown via <code>[[File:...</code>, as shown here, but not via <code>[[Media:...</code>, which is the method this template uses. This means a MIDI can be played on its file description page, e.g. [[:File:Beethoven Op. 33 no. 1.mid]], but not from the main link this template generates, as in {{audio|Beethoven Op. 33 no. 1.mid|help=no}}, which usually results in the browser downloading the MIDI file. Currently about 900 articles link to MIDI files using {{tl|Audio}}, which is about 8% of all articles with the template.

So it seems it is more user-friendly for this template to link to the description page rather than the file itself when a MIDI is given, using [[Module:String]] to determine the file extension, as in {{audio/sandbox|Beethoven Op. 33 no. 1.mid|help=no}} ({{edit|Template:Audio/sandbox|source}}). I'm wondering if this is a good idea. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 12:29, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 28 March 2020 ==
{{edit template-protected|Template:Audio|answered=yes}}
{{also|Template talk:Audio sample#Template-protected edit request on 28 March 2020|Template talk:Listen#Template-protected edit request on 28 March 2020}}
Please apply [[Special:Diff/880855837/947791466|this diff]] from sandbox to add automatic categorization into [[:Category:Articles containing audio clips]], which is largely unused. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 14:20, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
:To clarify {{tq|which is largely unused}}: after [[Special:Diff/947798328|this edit]] to [[Template:Multi-listen start]], the category will become much more populated. Previous categorization was done only manually. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 15:12, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{U|andrybak}}: That "audio clips" category currently has no documentation explaining why it exists, how it is populated, and how it is different from other, similar categories. Is there a discussion that you can link to that prompted these three edit requests? I am not objecting to your request, just seeking more information. As a template editor, I am responsible for ensuring that each template edit I perform, even on someone else's behalf, has a reasonable justification. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 00:41, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
:::{{u|Jonesey95}}, there was no prior discussion. I was just going through categories in [[:Category:Wikipedia maintenance]], and noticed that [[:Category:Articles containing video clips]] has over eight thousand pages, while [[:Category:Articles containing audio clips]] at the time had less than ten. Populating it automatically by transclusions of audio templates in articles might be useful. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 00:51, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
::::Andrybak: You realize that audio clips can be added to articles in other ways as well, not using a template, don't you? So the "usefulness" of that category is limited. Anyway, what exactly would its "usefulness"? -- [[User:Michael Bednarek|Michael Bednarek]] ([[User talk:Michael Bednarek|talk]]) 04:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{not done}} for now, procedure disabling the edit request. The [[:Category:Articles containing audio clips|category]] was created in August 2019 by a now-blocked user with no prior discussion. Please establish consensus at a venue like [[WP:VPT]] before filing another request. (Also centralize discussions, please.) [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 04:37, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_April_6#Category:Articles_containing_audio_clips|Nominated the category for deletion]]. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 11:35, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

== Clicking shouldn't open up an entirely new page ==
{{tracked|T229169}}
I'm sure that actually getting this resolved would probably require involving the WMF and thus take forever, but just to note it, having the behavior when you click on "listen" for a pronunciation be going to a new page is a terrible way for the UI to work. There's no reason we couldn't have it just play the audio on the article page. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 05:19, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
:This is [[phab:T229169]]. Check out also my [[User:Nardog/PlayAudioNow|PlayAudioNow]]. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 06:22, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|Nardog}} Thanks for the link; I'm glad this is at least pending on phab! And reader scripts don't count for anything in terms of reader-focused thinking as there's 0% chance readers will ever discover them, but it might make it easier for the developers to come up with something native. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 06:35, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

== Template shows up as text "audio speaker icon" in search results ==

{{FPER|answered=yes}}

This template shows up as the text "audio speaker icon" in some Google search results. For example, this is what I see when [[google:melamine|searching for "melamine"]]: [[phab:F35057027]].

I suggest that we change <code>|alt=audio speaker icon</code> to <code>|alt=</code>, as the icon is purely decorative (per [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images#Decorative images]]) – the accessible text is provided in the second parameter (usually "pronunciation" or "listen" etc., depending on the template).

(cc @[[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]], who [[Special:Diff/1065713203|added the alt text]]) [[User:Matma Rex|Matma Rex]] <small>[[User talk:Matma Rex|talk]]</small> 19:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
: {{re|Matma Rex}} I actioned this initially thinking it was noncontroversial, but then self-reverted when I realized that [[MOS:BLANKALT]] says {{tq|linked images must have a non-blank alt attribute to prevent empty links, which result in confusing announcements in screen readers}}. Granted, it says that in the context of links to the image itself, not links to somewhere else, but it would seem to maybe apply here. {{re|Graham87}} Could I solicit your perspective here?
:* Current version: <span class="unicode haudio"><span class="fn"><span style="white-space:nowrap;margin-right:.25em;">[[File:Loudspeaker.svg|11px|link=File:en-us-Alabama.ogg|About this sound|alt=audio speaker icon]]</span>[[:Media:en-us-Alabama.ogg|pronunciation of "Alabama"]]</span></span>
:* No alt text: <span class="unicode haudio"><span class="fn"><span style="white-space:nowrap;margin-right:.25em;">[[File:Loudspeaker.svg|11px|link=File:en-us-Alabama.ogg|About this sound|alt=]]</span>[[:Media:en-us-Alabama.ogg|pronunciation of "Alabama"]]</span></span>
:Is the latter problematic? <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup>[''[[User talk:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">cetacean needed</span>]]'']</sup> (she/they)</span> 19:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
::{{replyto|Tamzin}} Actually the version without the alt text is better in this case, because the image caption serves fine as the alt text; see my comment in [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 184#ALT image text in Prep/Queues|this thread]]. I've reverted the page as such. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 02:44, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
:::{{re|Graham87}} Thanks. Marking this as {{done}}, then. Should [[MOS:BLANKALT]] (or [[MOS:ALT]] in general) be more clear about the relationship between alt text and captions in this regard? <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup>[''[[User talk:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">cetacean needed</span>]]'']</sup> (she/they)</span> 03:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
::::No worries; I've added a bit of info in the section about [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Alternative text for images#Captions and nearby text|captions and nearby text]]. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 07:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
:Thanks all! I must admit I didn't notice at first that the icon had a different link. [[User:Matma Rex|Matma Rex]] <small>[[User talk:Matma Rex|talk]]</small> 17:35, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

==Template-protected edit request on 31 August 2022==
{{Edit template-protected|Template:Audio|answered=yes}}
Can anyone please change <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Media help|<span style="cursor:help;">help</span>]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[Help:Media|<span style="cursor:help;">help</span>]]</nowiki>? I have done it in the sandbox. [[Special:Contributions/78.79.182.254|78.79.182.254]] ([[User talk:78.79.182.254|talk]]) 23:58, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ETp --> per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&thinsp;,&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>00:27, 1 September 2022 (UTC)</small>

== Leading whitespace in second argument produces code block ==

{{tracked|T349025|resolved}}
<code><nowiki>{{audio | Colonel Bogey.ogg | listen}}</nowiki></code> currently results in an ugly code block due to the space before “listen” (example: {{audio | Colonel Bogey.ogg | listen}}). Should the template trim the second argument before passing it into <code><nowiki><phonos></nowiki></code>? (I noticed this at [[Special:Diff/1180314752]] – I assume that looked fine before the change to Phonos.) [[User:Lucas Werkmeister|Lucas Werkmeister]] ([[User talk:Lucas Werkmeister|talk]]) 18:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
:Fixed with {{tl|trim}}. The underlying bug remains unfixed. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 21:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]]: The underlying bug is now fixed, do you want to revert the fix here? [[User:Lucas Werkmeister|Lucas Werkmeister]] ([[User talk:Lucas Werkmeister|talk]]) 12:08, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
:::I already have. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 12:19, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
::::Alright, my bad for not checking :) thanks both! [[User:Lucas Werkmeister|Lucas Werkmeister]] ([[User talk:Lucas Werkmeister|talk]]) 17:23, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

== Search results include empty parentheses? ==

When the page for [[Bengaluru]] comes up in search results, the preview text reads as "Bengaluru (), formerly called Bangalore, is the capital" with an empty set of parentheses. I feel this may be the result of this template, but I'm not really sure how to address the issue or if it's more widespread.

<code>'''Bengaluru''' ({{Audio|Bengaluru-Kannada-Pronunciation.ogg|<small>[[Kannada]] :</small>  {{transliteration|kn|ISO|Beṅgaḷūru}}}}),</code> <br />
<code><nowiki>'''Bengaluru''' ({{Audio|Bengaluru-Kannada-Pronunciation.ogg|<small>[[Kannada]] :</small>  {{transliteration|kn|ISO|Beṅgaḷūru}}}}),</nowiki></code>

I scanned the transclusions for this template looking for a similar case to this one in order to inspect the source code, but I could not find a parallel case. All the examples I looked at included IPA such as for [[Alabama]] or [[Björn Borg]] and may not have actually directly used the audio template – though I did find [[Musical tuning]], but this example doesn't use parentheses next to the template.

I notice that the speaker icon comes at the front unlike in the above examples. I also wonder if the issue may be due to the nesting of templates. What could be causing this behavior?
{{snd}} [[User:Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus|Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus]] ([[User talk:Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus|talk]]) 16:30, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
:My search result looks very different. Here's what I see when I search:
::'''[[Bengaluru]]'''<br />'''Bengaluru''' (Kannada : '''Beṅgaḷūru'''), formerly called Bangalore, is the capital and largest city of the southern Indian state of<br />Karnataka. As per the 2011...<br />244 KB (19,183 words) - 13:18, 20 March 2025
:-- [[User:Michael Bednarek|Michael Bednarek]] ([[User talk:Michael Bednarek|talk]]) 00:19, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
::That's interesting. It could be a browser/device thing. It displays how I mentioned it on Chrome, Firefox, and Safari on both computer and phone. However, Bing displays it as: "Bengaluru (Kannada : Beṅgaḷūru ), formerly called Bangalore, is the capital..." (it displays more but I've truncated it). That text is nearly the same as yours except for the extra space before the right parenthesis and the lack of bolding.
::Either way though, that doesn't seem to be the desired behavior for this template. [[User:Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus|Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus]] ([[User talk:Kilvin the Futz-y Enterovirus|talk]]) 19:33, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 10 June 2025 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Audio|answered=yes}}
Can i see the source of this info [[Special:Contributions/197.96.113.106|197.96.113.106]] ([[User talk:197.96.113.106|talk]]) 07:14, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ETp --> – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 16:00, 10 June 2025 (UTC)