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== "Expensive" parsers ==

Ed, re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Afd_top&diff=463301455&oldid=463300534], why would "expensive" parser functions even matter in archives which pull so few views? [[User:Selery|Selery]] ([[User talk:Selery|talk]]) 22:04, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

:Views are not the determining factor, re-caching is. Each time anything on, or related to, the archive page is changed, the page has to be rebuild which causes the 'expensive' hit. And if over time those parser functions build up in the archive, we have a problem. <span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#008"><i>E</i>dokter</span>]] ([[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#080">talk</span>]]) — </span> 23:58, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
::I'm not sure.  I don't believe the server would actively update the parser and rebuild the page except when someone requests the page, and I don't see us ever having enough users surfing old AfDs at once for it to be a real problem.  Regardless, I don't believe that the edit was necessary and would rather not see it repeated, for the sake of keeping the template as simple as possible.  And no, we can't simply subst: the parser to make life easier, because the existence of an article's talk page might change some time after an AfD is closed.  Cheers.  [[User:Lifebaka|<i style="color:green">lifebaka</i>]][[User talk:Lifebaka|'''++''']] 00:20, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

== Remove italics from "Please do not modify it." ==

{{ping|Oleg Alexandrov}}, {{ping|the wub}}, and anybody else: Would it be okay to remove the italics to the bolded, red, italicized text "Please do not modify it."? Generally, it is bad style to both bold and italicize something, and the red makes it even worse/more unnecessary. This can be accomplished by putting two extra ' on both sides of the text for the top and bottom templates. While we're at it, color could be changed to #C00 as well. See the example and the original below it:
<div class="boilerplate afd vfd xfd-closed" style="background-color: #F3F9FF; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"> 
:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. <span style="color:#C00">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).  No further edits should be made to this page.''

The result was keep.</div>

<div class="boilerplate afd vfd xfd-closed" style="background-color: #F3F9FF; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
:''The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span>  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]).  No further edits should be made to this page.''

The result was delete.</div>

[[User:Mnnlaxer|Mnnlaxer]] ([[User talk:Mnnlaxer|talk]]) 20:49, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

== Protected edit request proposal ==

As per [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 February 15]], amplification of this template is suggested.<br />
Was:<br />
&nbsp;appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).<br /> 
New:<br />
&nbsp;appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page, the closing administrator's talk page, the AfD talk page, or in a deletion review).<br />
:[[User:Unscintillating|Unscintillating]] ([[User talk:Unscintillating|talk]]) 02:01, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

:Hmm, I see this never received a response. For what it's worth, I'm not aware that the AFD talk page is used for anything, let alone would we recommend it as a place to lodge a concern. [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 00:06, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

== Referencing the article's talk page when the result was "delete" ==

I propose that the template be updated so that when the result is "delete", instead of "such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review", the template should produce "such as in a deletion review", as there should ''be'' no talk page from that point on. [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 00:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 1 April 2022 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Afd top|answered=yes}}
Please add the "archived" class so tools can recognize discussions as having been archived. At least Bawl, Convenient Discussions and Reply-link recognize this, possibly others that I'm unaware of.
{{StringDiff|1=class="boilerplate afd vfd xfd-closed"|2=class="boilerplate afd vfd xfd-closed archived"}} — <span style="color:#e08020">Alexis Jazz</span> ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]] or ping me) 00:52, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{done}}. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''&numsp;-&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;<small>02:29, 1 April 2022 (UTC)</small>

== Inline styles? ==
{{mdf|Wikipedia_talk:Templates_for_discussion#Inline_styles?|2=[[Special:Contributions/172.97.141.219|172.97.141.219]] ([[User talk:172.97.141.219|talk]]) 07:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)}}

Right now it's <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext"><div class="boilerplate afd vfd xfd-closed archived mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: var(--background-color-progressive-subtle, #F3F9FF); color: var(--color-base, #000); margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid var(--border-color-subtle, #AAAAAA);"></syntaxhighlight>
This seems to be some kind of dark mode thing? I don't really understand though -- shouldn't we be trying to use stylesheets for stuff and not inline styles? Moreover, we already have styles (e.g. <code>afd</code>, <code>vfd</code>, <code>xfd-closed</code>), I assume these are styled somewhere already -- why do we have inline styles in the afd-top template at all? It seems like a gigantic headache. <b style="font-family:monospace;color:#E35BD8">[[User:JPxG|<b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>]]×[[Special:Contribs/JPxG|<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>]][[User talk:JPxG|🗯️]]</b> 05:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

:Pinging {{ping|Sohom Datta}} who was the one who made this edit. <b style="font-family:monospace;color:#E35BD8">[[User:JPxG|<b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>]]×[[Special:Contribs/JPxG|<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>]][[User talk:JPxG|🗯️]]</b> 05:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::My thought process here for adding inline styles was twofold:
::* I was unsure if adding [[WP:TS|templatestyles]] could cause the [[WP:PEIS]] limit to be breached on bigger pages
::* If the {{tl|afd top}} template was substituted, it could cause issues due to the fact that the styles might not being carried over
::To my knowledge <code>afd</code> <code>vfd</code> <code>xfd-closed</code> don't apply any specific styles and while the inline styles do take precedence over other user-generated styles, the behaviour of the inline CSS will be analogous to it's  previous behaviour if the CSS variables defined for vector-2022 are absent. [[User:Sohom Datta|<b class="skin-invert" style="color:#795cb2;">Sohom</b>]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|<span class="skin-invert" style="color: #36c;">talk</span>]]) 08:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)