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== Relisting debates ==

It was recently [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Scientizzle&oldid=229281367#Relisting_articles brought to my attention] that when relisting AfD debates the "View Log" link still points to the old AfD log rather than the newer transclusion destination. I don't know that there's any way to fix this in the template programming (doubt it, but I'm no programmer)...if not, perhaps this means [[WP:RELIST]] should have a remark about manually changing the log? Thoughts? &mdash; [[User:Scientizzle|Scien]]''[[User talk:Scientizzle|tizzle]]'' 19:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
:I can't think of anything, but I've just got minor template syntax knowledge.  I'm pretty sure it can't be done, because the tempalte is substited, as is {{tl|relist}}.  It might be possible to look for some comment added by the relist template and update the "View log" link according to the timestamp from relisting, but that sounds more like a bot thing.  I at least update the link when I relist, so people can get back to the log an AfD is on, and I suggest that for the time being at least.  Perhaps a discussion at [[WT:DELPRO]] or [[WP:AN]] would help.  Cheers.  [[User:Lifebaka|<i style="color:green;">lifebaka</i>]] <small>([[User talk:Lifebaka|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Lifebaka|contribs]])</small> 20:05, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
::My own limited programming knowledge suggested a very small chance of a programming solution, but I thought I'd ask...I think I'll probably bring it up at [[Wikipedia talk:Deletion process]]. I've almost never use that log button, the manual fix isn't discussed at [[WP:RELIST]], and nobody told me about it in the year-and-a-half I've been closing AfDs! &mdash; [[User:Scientizzle|Scien]]''[[User talk:Scientizzle|tizzle]]'' 20:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

==Documentation==
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Please add <code><nowiki><noinclude>{{Documentation}}</noinclude></nowiki></code> to the bottom of the template. Thanks. -- [[User:Suntag|Suntag]] [[User talk:Suntag|<b><big><span style="color:#FF8C00;">☼</span></big></b>]] 13:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

:{{done}}. <span style="white-space:nowrap">— [[User:Huntster|Huntster]] <small>([[User talk:Huntster|t]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|c]])</small></span> 13:28, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Suntag|Suntag]] [[User talk:Suntag|<b><big><span style="color:#FF8C00;">☼</span></big></b>]] 13:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

==DRV notice in AfD page==
The DRV discussion [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_review&oldid=241118582#Change_to_DRV_instructions|here] seems to approve providing notification of DRVs in an AfD. [[Template:Afd2]] should be modified so that, in addition to the box listing "AfDs for this article:" that it also lists "DRVs for this article:" (which should only appear if there are any prior DRVs or subsequent DRVs). Thoughts? -- [[User:Suntag|Suntag]] [[User talk:Suntag|<b><big><span style="color:#FF8C00;">☼</span></big></b>]] 13:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think it's doable.  The "AfDs for this article" section works because an AfD exists at its own page that gets transcluded on to the AfD log.  DRVs, on the other hand, are not transcluded and do not exist on their own page - they are merely a subsection of each day's DRV log, and thus there exists no way to access previous DRVs on a subject via templates. [[User:Shereth|<b style="color:#0000FF;">Sher</b>]][[User_talk:Shereth|<b style="color:#6060BF;">eth</b>]] 16:14, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== adding closure date ? ==

per the discussion on AN [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=267384198 here] about early closures of AfD debates. What do watchers of the page think about adding something like
: Discussion scheduled to end <nowiki>{{<includeonly>s</nowiki>ubst:</includeonly>#time: j F Y "(UTC)"|+5 days}}
To the template - reminding closers of the time the debate is supposed to run for ? - [[User:Peripitus |Peripitus]] [[User talk:Peripitus|(Talk)]] 11:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

::Just a quick note in support of this change. We'll see if it sticks :) [[User:Xymmax|<b>Xymmax</b>]] [[User_talk:Xymmax|<small><sup>So let it be written</sup></small>]] [[Special:Contributions/Xymmax|<small><sub>So let it be done</sub></small>]] 15:43, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

:*'''Oppose''' - [[WP:NOTBURO]], and on first look, prohibits speedy closures even when they're warranted. Also looks ugly. '''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]])</sup> 21:43, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

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Can someone please remove it? It serves no purpose whatsoever. Anyone who knows how to close an AfD knows that five days is standard. AfD is sorted by day, so a mental calculation is all that's required, unlike RfA, where this kind of notice is useful. As I've said, on the face of it, it prevents any AfD from being closed prior to the time limit, regardless of whether speedy closure is warranted/needed. It's also an eyesore which appears five times on my screen (1440*900) which serves no useful purpose whatsoever. '''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]])</sup> 22:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
*Keep the notice, I think it is a good idea to reinforce the deletion policy that AFDs are meant run at least five days as was discussed on [[WP:AN]] recently. It gives clarity to contributors on when the AFD will close in almost all cases. However I would add the word 'scheduled' to the message so that it reads "Discussion scheduled to run until at least 8 February 2009" to give some leeway in the limited cases where an early closure is required. [[User:Davewild|Davewild]] ([[User talk:Davewild|talk]]) 22:33, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
*:Do we need that 125 times on a single log page, especially when we can put a notice at the top of ''that'' instead? At the very least, noinclude it. '''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]])</sup> 22:36, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
*::Ok you make a reasonable case as I see the notice has make placed on the days log. I suggest taking the notice off here for now as Sceptre suggests and lets see if the notice on the days log has the desired effect of reducing the early closures. If it does not then we can reconsider whether a notice on here, perhaps in a less obtrusive manner, could be made. [[User:Davewild|Davewild]] ([[User talk:Davewild|talk]]) 22:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
*:::I added the notice to today's only just to see what it would look like; that's now unobtrusive. '''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]])</sup> 23:06, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I've removed this based on the opposition on this page. per the discussion on [[WP:AN]] I think some sort of notice is required as admins are clearly not following the 5 day policy - what form the notice though ? - [[User:Peripitus |Peripitus]] [[User talk:Peripitus|(Talk)]] 01:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== Bug in template ==

During the deletion review of Acharya S, there was a discussion of the AFD page.  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Acharya S (2nd nomination)]].  This page includes 3 AFDs including one for [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Acharya Sita Ram Chaturvedi]] who is not the same person, not a related article....  I'm not sure how frequently this occurs but I think is a bug in the template.  [[User:jbolden1517|jbolden1517]][[User talk:jbolden1517|<sup style="color:darkgreen;">Talk</sup>]] 21:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Discussion message ==

Per (part of) this discussion [[Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion#deleting invalid votes from afd's]], how difficult would it be to add a brief talkheader type message specific to deletion discussions? Just how brief would be another issue - ranging from a couple of words linking to [[Wikipedia:AFD#How to discuss an AfD]] to some or all of [[:template:not a ballot]]. The message could either come above the article name (would look best on the AFD entry) or on the right of it, above the links (would look best on the log page). Separately from the feasibility, is it a good idea to explore this? (NB A related idea exists in the archive for this talk page, with no obvious outcome.) [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 02:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
*I'd prefer not to have a message, however short.  A cursory look at past AfDs with participation from new users will show that manual additions of "notavote" templates don't seem to have an impact on behavior.  I can't imagine that an automatic reminder will be much more effective. [[User:Protonk|Protonk]] ([[User talk:Protonk|talk]]) 07:29, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:*It might, because of being more widely and consistently applied. Also how exactly can you tell from past AFDs that templates haven't add much effect? The major effect would be discouraging people never previously involved with WP from leaving a vote; if they have nothing to add to the discussion they wouldn't leave a message, and hence no trace. In other words, if the template dissuades (some) potential voters from voting, only a pretty sophisticated statistical analysis (certainly more than a cursory glance) would be able to tell. NB bear in mind templates were only selectively applied in the past on problem AFDs - whose statistical behaviour is therefore abnormal; adding it to all AFDs and seeing if it improves average behaviour (even anecdotally) would be a valid trial. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 13:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::*Quantitatively, I can't prove it.  I have no way of knowing whether or not the addition of a big "notavote" template stopped a half dozen people or forced them to give support for their reasoning.  My strong suspicion is that it doesn't.  Anyone who has been around AfD for a while can recongnize that kind of debate from a mile away.  Some website, game or bio is nominated for deletion and a few dozen people on a forum dedicated to the subject show up to argue that the article should be kept.  Someone (usually the nominator) puts that big ugly template up reminding folks that AfD isn't a vote and I would say about 15-25% of the time it is heeded.  The other times it is ignored completely, it is made moot (article is speedied, or no one shows up), or the newcomers were being hyper-formal anyway (something I've seen a lot).  when it is heeded, it is helpful.  But another thing to consider for a template which is transcluded to every AfD is that people tend to ignore directions like that.  We have the various edit-notices for namespaces and those are ignored frequently (though it is difficult to make a good judgment on their value...we may get a chance when the devs remove single article edit notices, but that is another story).  The manually added notavote templates are large and conspicuous.  they may get noticed by people coming to AfD for the first time.  But any template which would reach consensus here to be on all AfDs would be nowhere near as conspicuous.  Even if you don't buy my story about people ignoring directions based on repeated viewing, you have to concede that a much more unobtrusive template would garner much less attention. [[User:Protonk|Protonk]] ([[User talk:Protonk|talk]]) 18:26, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::*Not necessarily with single AFD pages - it's a much more favourable situation than talk pages, where people jump to recent discussion at the bottom of the page and away from the top, where the notices are (hmm, food for thought... anyway). By contrast, on an AFD entry people start by reading the nomination (don't they?) and a small, unobtrusive notice right next to it (almost part of the nomination) is more likely to be read. In fact by being small enough not to trigger the jaded web-user's "it's an ad, don't look at it" response, it might be ''more'' effective than the bigger notavote notice. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 19:18, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Concur with Protonk. Some discuss and some vote regardless, it seems, of the presence of the template. Editors work out how the debates work over time and admins mostly sort the wheat from the chaff in closing. - [[User:Peripitus |Peripitus]] [[User talk:Peripitus|(Talk)]] 07:38, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::*Admins are forced to sort wheat from chaff, what's the alternative, nobody ever closing the AFD? The issue is whether we can/should make it easier by trying to reduce the chaff. It may well not work, but I don't see the harm in trying. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 13:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Slight improvement of template for readability ==

Looking at the [[simple:Template:RfD2|this template]] used for RfDs (requests for deletion) on simple.enwiki, I was thinking that it looks better and more aesthetically pleasing with dots and a little extra space separating each link than the currently-used vertical line. I was hoping we could incorporate that here (see the current examples at [[simple:Wikipedia:Requests for deletion]]. (I'd talk about the other features that I like there, but I'll reserve that for [[WT:AFD]] when I get the chance.) Any thoughts? [[User talk:MuZemike|MuZemike]] 23:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:I like it, too, but it's not actually this template that does that, it's {{tl|la}}, which has several counterparts.  The talk page for all of them is [[Template talk:Ln]]. Propose it there.--[[User:Aervanath|Aervanath]] ([[User talk:Aervanath|talk]]) 04:08, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

== Add search button ==

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Per some support and zero objections at [[WT:AFD]] (and I've waited a long time, just in case anyone objected), could someone please restore the search template to Afd2, which was reverted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Afd2&diff=243407111&oldid=242771923 here]?  It was reverted on merely [[WP:BURO|procedural grounds]]; nobody has ever objected to its inclusion.  [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 23:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:{{done}} —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 00:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I object to this change. We should not promote intellectual laziness or the common misconception that Google = reliable source. <span style="font-size:large;">[[Zen|&#9775;]]</span>&nbsp;<span style="font-family:impact;">&nbsp;[[User:Zenwhat|Zenwhat]]</span>&nbsp;([[User talk:Zenwhat|talk]]) 01:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:Google != Reliable source, but Google often provides links to reliable sources that can be used in the article. Rather than encouraging laziness, this encourages people to actually check how notable something is before blindly saying "there's no references on the page, so it's not notable" when there are loads of obvious RSes on the front page of Google News. [[User:Greg Tyler|<b style="color:#00A">Greg Tyler</b>]] <sup style="color:#A00;font-weight:bold;font-size:10px;">([[User talk:Greg Tyler|<b style="color:#A00">t</b>]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Greg Tyler|<b style="color:#A00">c</b>]])</sup> <small>22:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC)</small>
:I also object to this change, which was made after a tiny discussion without attempts to engage users who have previously objected. [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] ([[User talk:Stifle|talk]]) 08:27, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

== Find sources ==

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Change <code><nowiki>:({{find sources|{{{pg}}}}})</nowiki></code> to <code><nowiki>:({{findsources|{{{pg}}}}})</nowiki></code>. The template is called [[template:Findsources|Findsources]], so it seems logical not to point to the redirect instead. I know it's not necessary, but in something used so widely, the removal of one template from the transclusion list could be appreciated... [[User:Greg Tyler|<b style="color:#00A">Greg Tyler</b>]] <sup style="color:#A00;font-weight:bold;font-size:10px;">([[User talk:Greg Tyler|<b style="color:#A00">t</b>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Greg Tyler|<b style="color:#A00">c</b>]])</sup> <Small>22:54, 14 August 2009 (UTC)</small>
:{{done}}.  Cheers.  [[User:Lifebaka|<i style="color:green;">lifebaka</i>]][[User talk:Lifebaka|'''++''']] 23:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

== Deletion link removed ==

Per discussion at [[Wikipedia_talk:AfD#"Having%20to"%20defend%20articles%20against%20deletion]], I've removed the link to delete the subject of an AfD from the AfD page itself.  It's been brought to my attention that a number of administrators believe it is acceptable to actually delete articles without even looking at them, even in cases of contentious discussion.  PROD and CSD require administrators to actually look the article "in the face" in the process of deleting it--AfD should be no different. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 21:18, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== AfD statistics ==

I've boldly added http://toolserver.org/~betacommand/cgi-bin/afdparser as an utility link to the template. It gives a useful quick headcount, though that is obviously not a sufficient basis for a closure. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">'''&nbsp;Sandstein&nbsp;'''</span>]]</span></small> 18:37, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

== AfD statistics link ==

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If there is going to be an AfD statistics link (which isn't working for me right now btw), shouldn't it also show up on the log page? [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:X9&oldid=329699286 This] revision of a [[Template:X9|template sandbox]] has the change. Thanks, [[User:MrKIA11|MrKIA11]] ([[User talk:MrKIA11|talk]]) 17:44, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
:I've moved your proposed code to the proper place: [[Template:Afd2/sandbox]]. One query: do you know what the purpose of the following code is?
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:It is a somewhat baffling. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 23:56, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah that confused me also, but when I removed it, it messes up the actual <code><nowiki><includeonly></includeonly></nowiki></code>. Apparently the inner ones get removed when the template is substed. I'm not sure exactly how that works, but it is definitely needed. [[User:MrKIA11|MrKIA11]] ([[User talk:MrKIA11|talk]]) 00:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
:::I've made the requested edit for you. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:30, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Would "vote count" or something be better than "AfD statistics". Personally, I had no idea what it was at first. [[User:MrKIA11|MrKIA11]] ([[User talk:MrKIA11|talk]]) 14:38, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

=== Plain link ===
Would it be possible to turn the AfD stats link into a plain link to keep consistency with the rest of the template? <span style="font-family:Segoe Media Center">[[User:Jeffrey Mall|Jeffrey Mall]]</span> <small>([[User talk:Jeffrey Mall|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jeffrey Mall|contribs]])</small> -  21:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
: {{tick}} {{diff2|332656019|It would}}. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 11:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:: Can it use <nowiki>{{plainlink|1=http://toolserver.org/~betacommand/cgi-bin/afdparser?afd={{urlencode:{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>FULLPAGENAME}}}}|2=Afd statistics}}</nowiki> instead? Right now the stats link does not work on later nominations. [[User:Tim Song|Tim Song]] ([[User talk:Tim Song|talk]]) 18:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:::{{done}}. It seems to work fine. [[User:MrKIA11|MrKIA11]] ([[User talk:MrKIA11|talk]]) 14:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
=== Broken? ===
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AfD statistics doesn't appear to work, and it frankly has never worked for me.  As toolserver is not down, maybe it is no longer being maintained?  If that is the case, I see no reason for it to remain.  Perhaps it could be removed?— '''[[User:Daedalus969|<span style="color:Green;">Dæ</span>]][[User talk:Daedalus969|<span style="color:Blue;">dαlus</span>]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Daedalus969|<span style="color:Green;">Contribs</span>]]</sup>''' 03:51, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:It has been broken for months.  See below for my request to have it removed back in August.  [[User:Snottywong|<span style="font:13px 'Copperplate Gothic Light';border:#AAAACC 1px inset;background-color:#DDE4C4;color=#25900D">Snotty<span style="color:#648113;">Wong</span></span>]]&nbsp;<sup><small>[[User talk:Snottywong|babble]]</small></sup> 13:46, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Link removed, tool owner notified. Thanks, [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 13:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::Someone should have told me a lot sooner, I would have fixed it, something with the toolserver broke the way CGI scripts work, however I have adjusted and will be running stats every 30 minutes. <nowiki>http://toolserver.org/~betacommand/reports/afd/{{pg}}.html</nowiki> is the new link to the working stats. [[tools:~betacommand/AFD.html]] will also be updated at the same time. There are a few page titles where this doesnt work, but it should resolve the issue for the most part. There are a bug with re-listed AfDs and their expirations that im working on but that should also be a nice tool for people to review. [[User talk:Δ|ΔT <sub><sup style="color:darkred;">The only constant</sup></sub>]] 22:18, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I have added the new link, which is up and running. For an example, see [http://toolserver.org/~betacommand/reports/afd/Angelfood+McSpade.html here]. [[User:Willking1979|Willking1979]] ([[User talk:Willking1979|talk]]) 23:07, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

===Transclusion problems===
It appears the recent changes to the template have caused a minor problem.  I think there is an includeonly tag that shouldn't be there.  Everything looks fine when you're viewing an individual AfD page.  However, when you're viewing all of them on the log page (where they are transcluded), you see a bunch of wikicode.  See [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2010 October 22]].  [[User:Snottywong|<span style="font:13px 'Copperplate Gothic Light';border:#AAAACC 1px inset;background-color:#E0F4FE;color=#DD0000">Snotty<span style="color:#225DC8;">Wong</span></span>]]&nbsp;<sup><small>[[User talk:Snottywong|soliloquize]]</small></sup> 04:00, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looks like an editor has been manually fixing the problem, so it's not visible anymore.  I'm not sure if it's something wrong with the template or something that was caused by manual edits.  I'll remove the editprotected template and keep an eye on it.  [[User:Snottywong|<span style="font:13px 'Copperplate Gothic Light';border:#AAAACC 1px inset;background-color:#EEEEFE;color=#225DC8">Snotty<span style="color:#225DC8;">Wong</span></span>]]&nbsp;<sup><small>[[User talk:Snottywong|yak]]</small></sup> 04:12, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

== Redirect correction ==

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Since "Findsources" is now called {{lt|Find sources}} to improve readability, could the transclusion here be changed so we avoid this redirect? Thanks, --[[User:The Evil IP address|The Evil IP address]] ([[User talk:The Evil IP address|talk]]) 10:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:done —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 21:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

== remove afd statistics link ==

AFD is not a vote... we don't decide what to do by counting heads but by discussing principles... [[User:Arskwad|Arskwad]] ([[User talk:Arskwad|talk]]) 16:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
:The AfD Statistics link hasn't been working for quite awhile (for me anyway).  It hangs for a long time, and then times out with an error message.  I'm going to remove the link from the template.  If you disagree, revert and discuss here.  [[User:Snottywong|<span style="font-family:Copperplate;font-size:15px;border:#AAAACC 1px inset;background-color:#E0F4FE"><span style="color:#DD0000;">Snotty</span><span style="color:#648113;">Wong</span></span>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snottywong|chatter]]</small></sup> 16:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
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::Oops, didn't realize the template was protected.  Admins, can you remove the "AfD Statistics" link from this template?  The link to a toolserver script has been broken for ages.  [[User:Snottywong|<span style="font-family:Copperplate;font-size:15px;border:#AAAACC 1px inset;background-color:#FEF7E3"><span style="color:#225DC8;">Snotty</span><span style="color:#25900D;">Wong</span></span>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Snottywong|comment]]</small></sup> 16:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:::{{notdone}} Since this is protected, BRD doesn't really apply. I suggest starting a discussion at [[WT:AFD]] on the usefulness of the link first. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;">'''HJ&nbsp;Mitchell'''</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]]  01:40, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

==Proposed Change to template==
In response to an Administrator's Noticeboard discussion, I've proposed the addition of a timestamp to this template. Debate is ongoing at [[WP:AN#AfD's generally closed too soon]]; your input is welcome. [[User:Ultraexactzz|UltraExactZZ]] <sup> [[User_talk:Ultraexactzz|Said]] </sup>~<small> [[Special:Contributions/Ultraexactzz|Did]] </small> 15:16, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

==  Should "Find sources" only provide Google links? ==

See [[Template talk:Find sources#Why only Google links?]]. [[User:Mange01|Mange01]] ([[User talk:Mange01|talk]]) 20:10, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

== Adding A Watch Link To The Template So That We Can Click On It On WP:Articles For Deletion/YYYY Mmmm DD Pages ==

I think it would be a great idea to adding a watch link to the template, so that we can click on it on WP:Articles For Deletion/YYYY Mmmm DD Pages.

We can click on the watch link to watch the article, but I think clicking on the link to watch the page's deletion discussion would be user-friendilyness.[[User:Curb Chain|Curb Chain]] ([[User talk:Curb Chain|talk]]) 23:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

== I'm Not Sure How To Fix It, But If You Know How, To Request A Change To This Template, Type <nowiki>{{editprotected}}</nowiki> Into The Edit Box ==

I've noticed that sometimes, the previous afd box shows up and sometimes it doesnt.  this needs to be fixed.[[User:Curb Chain|Curb Chain]] ([[User talk:Curb Chain|talk]]) 04:12, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

:Can you show diffs of when it occured? [[User:IRWolfie-|IRWolfie-]] ([[User talk:IRWolfie-|talk]]) 23:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

== Documentation ==

Can someone explain what this template is used for in the Usage section? Thanks! [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 19:09, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

== Headers delinked ==

I have opened a discussion with a suggestion at '''[[WT:Articles for deletion#Headers delinked]]''' in which editors who are involved with this template may want to participate.  Thank you in advance! &ndash;&nbsp;'''''<small>[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span>]]</small>'''''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">''C<small>LIMAX</small>!''</b>]]</sup> 02:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

If no further discussion is needed, the headers will be delinked soon. &ndash;&nbsp;'''''<small>[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span>]]</small>'''''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">''C<small>LIMAX</small>!''</b>]]</sup> 17:47, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
:It's fully protected by the way with a [[WP:REDLOCK]],  [[User:IRWolfie-|IRWolfie-]] ([[User talk:IRWolfie-|talk]]) 18:21, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

== Stats link has changed ==

{{FPER|ans=yes}}
The link titled "Stats" (http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/votecounter.cgi?page=) now redirects to https://tools.wmflabs.org/jackbot/snottywong/cgi-bin/votecounter.cgi?page= . It also appears to be broken. Please fix/replace this ASAP.--<span style="text-shadow:#FFD700 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em">[[User:Auric|<span style="color:#FC3700;">'''Auric'''</span>]]  [[User talk:Auric|<span style="color:#0C0F00;">''talk''</span>]]</span> 19:07, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment.''' I've asked about this at [[WT:Toolserver#Table of Toolserver tools now replaced by WMFlabs tools|WT:Toolserver]], and hopefully those toolserver experts can help us out. &ndash;&nbsp;'''''<small>[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span>]]</small>'''''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">''C<small>LIMAX</small>!''</b>]]</sup> 16:18, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
*I've removed the deadlink; once a working replacement has been identified, please request addition here. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#00FF00;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 01:57, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
*{{ping|JackPotte}} is now the maintainer of this tool.  [[User:Scottywong|<span style="font:small-caps 1.2em Garamond,Times,serif;color:#447744;letter-spacing:0.2em;">‑Scottywong</span>]][[User talk:Scottywong|<span style="font:0.75em Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;color:#442244;">|&nbsp;squeal&nbsp;_</span>]] 03:34, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
*:Thanks, if anyone else wants to also think about how to fix or improve it he's welcome too (I would create a dedicated WMFLABS project). [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|talk]]) 11:17, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
*::{{ping|JackPotte}} It doesn't look like it needs to be improved, it looks like it's just not there.  It returns a 404 error, which means that the votecounter.cgi file can't be found in that location.  Is that the correct url, or has the location of that file changed recently?  [[User:Scottywong|<span style="font:small-caps 1.2em Garamond,Times,serif;color:#227722;letter-spacing:0.2em;">‑Scottywong</span>]][[User talk:Scottywong|<span style="font:0.75em Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;color:#447744;">|&nbsp;spout&nbsp;_</span>]] 13:46, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
*:::That must be an absolute vs relative address problem, I'm testing it locally to be sure. [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|talk]]) 10:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
{{od}}
{{done}} – Seems to be okay now. <s>but I'm not sure I'm testing it properly.  Can someone else confirm before it's returned to the template? &ndash;&nbsp;'''''<small>[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span>]]</small>'''''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">''C<small>LIMAX</small>!''</b>]]</sup> 03:08, 7 August 2014 (UTC)</s> &ndash;&nbsp;'''''<small>[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span>]]</small>'''''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">''C<small>LIMAX</small>!''</b>]]</sup> 15:17, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks! [[User:Scottywong|<span style="font:small-caps 1.2em Garamond,Times,serif;color:#774477;letter-spacing:0.2em;">‑Scottywong</span>]][[User talk:Scottywong|<span style="font:0.75em Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;color:#224422;">|&nbsp;chat&nbsp;_</span>]] 16:03, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
::Pleasure! &ndash;&nbsp;'''''<small>[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</span>]]</small>'''''&nbsp; 01:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 7 June 2015 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Afd2|answered=y}}
<!-- Begin request -->
I suggest the following changes:
* Replace <nowiki>{{REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING THIS AfD}}</nowiki> with <nowiki>{{Remove this template when closing this AfD}}</nowiki> in this template
* Move [[Template:REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING THIS AfD]] to [[Template:Remove this template when closing this AfD]]
There should be no unnecessary capitals.
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[[Special:Contributions/2602:306:B8E0:82C0:C57C:A2C7:42EA:556A|2602:306:B8E0:82C0:C57C:A2C7:42EA:556A]] ([[User talk:2602:306:B8E0:82C0:C57C:A2C7:42EA:556A|talk]]) 14:56, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=]] '''Not done:''' please establish a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for this alteration before using the {{tlx|edit template-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ETp --> It's to draw attention. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 17:16, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

== AfD Stats tool appears to be broken ==

Not sure where to bring this up, so bringing it up here. You click the "Stats" link on an AFD, you get taken to a page with heading "AfD Vote Counter", but no actual content other than the heading. See for example [https://tools.wmflabs.org/jackbot/snottywong/cgi-bin/votecounter.cgi?page=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Embarcadero_Technologies this]. I think the tool is broken. [[User:SJK|SJK]] ([[User talk:SJK|talk]]) 22:26, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

== Database error ==

Anyone else getting this database error when accessing this template?
{{quote|A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software.

[Xou4VQpAAMEAA8@da1cAAAAE] 2020-04-06 23:16:37: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError"}}
Here's [https://i.gyazo.com/6b9605fc6a7be5754e69a2cf586683c4.gif the error in play]. This is extremely odd. –<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:ToxiBoi|<span style="color:purple">'''Toxi'''</span>]][[User talk:ToxiBoi|<span style="color:orange">Boi!</span>]]</span> <sup>([[Special:Contributions/ToxiBoi|contribs]])</sup> 23:19, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
:See [[Wikipedia talk:Village pump (technical)#Error on all non-talk pages at the present time]]. [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 00:31, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

== Template-protected edit request on 22 August 2021 ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Afd2|answered=yes}}
Sync with the sandbox; this adds an explicit <code>1=</code> parameter to the invocation of {{tl|la}} so that it properly formats articles with an equals sign in the title. [[User:Vahurzpu|Vahurzpu]] ([[User talk:Vahurzpu|talk]]) 15:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
:{{done}}. Good catch.<span style="font-family:courier;font-size:90%"> <span class="nowrap">-- [[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]]</span></span><sup class="nowrap">[''[[User talk:Tamzin|cetacean needed]]'']</sup> <span class="nowrap"> (she/they)</span> 16:07, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

== Show "edits since nomination" link? ==

{{fyi|pointer=y}} [[Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion#Show "edits since nomination" link on AFDs?]] – this involves an edit to this template. – [[User:SD0001|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: #C30">SD0001</span>]] ([[User talk:SD0001|talk]]) 09:50, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

== cat parameter ==
{{Resolved}}
This needs documentation. There isn't a list of what the categories are that can be used for this. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 08:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:Never mind, I found the list somewhere else (via the preview output of [[Template:Afd]]), and added a link to it in this template's documentation. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 08:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC)