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==Comments==
[http://www.astronautix.com/craft/soyz7kl1.htm] is a good source of information on this stuff.  Additionally, the Zond program needs pretty mission boxes like [[Soyuz 11]] and friends. --[[User:Jkeiser|Jkeiser]] 06:21, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: '''not moved'''. [[User:Favonian|Favonian]] ([[User talk:Favonian|talk]]) 18:18, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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[[Zond program]] → {{no redirect|Zond programme}} – I'm not quite sure what the preferred [[WP:ENGVAR]] is for Russian/Soviet subjects, but I do know that the vast majority, if not all, of the other Russan/Soviet space programme articles are at the "programme" spelling, so it's likely that these ([[Vega program]] and [[Zond program]]) should be moved to that spelling, I believe. [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 05:03, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' - Per [[MOS:RETAIN]]. As Russia is not an English speaking country, there is no "strong national ties" to any variety of English.--[[User:UnQuébécois|Education does not equal common sense.]] [[User talk:UnQuébécois|我不在乎]]   05:20, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
**But is there not also an argument for consistency within a country's articles? As the other articles use "Programme". - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 05:21, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
***Well, just move the other articles from "programme" to "program". --[[User:Enric Naval|Enric Naval]] ([[User talk:Enric Naval|talk]]) 08:47, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I'm absolutely sympathetic to your desire for consistency, but I think you're approaching it the wrong way. Given that the overarching parent article is at [[Soviet space program]], a spelling also reflected in the navbox title ([[Luna programme]]'s prominence there is noted, however). I don't see the issue as having strong national ties, but UQ makes a good case for American English as the tiebreaker. Thus, I would support moving all instances of "programme" in article and category titles relating to the Soviet space program to "program." How does that sound? --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:01, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
*:It should also be noted that the [[Template:USSR_space_probes|navbox]] seems to favour programm.--[[User:ZooFamily|ZooFamily]] ([[User talk:ZooFamily|talk]]) 20:11, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
::*I'll call your bet with a [[Template:Soviet space program sidebar|navbox]] of my own, which favors program. It's worth noting that the articles linked in each navbox demonstrate the inconsistency, though. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 20:25, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
*:::Sorry, it should have read "program" only one m, no e.--[[User:ZooFamily|ZooFamily]] ([[User talk:ZooFamily|talk]]) 00:11, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
::::*I'm fine with either "program" or "programme", just as long as all the articles from the same country use the same spelling! {{P}} - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 22:38, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Soviet space program is part of the Cold War space race, which did not involve Britain. Indeed, space should preferentially use US English, since it has a major space program, for non-English topics, unlike other English-speaking nations, per [[WP:TIES]] ; the only ones that should not use US English are the programs of English speaking nations (and ESA, which would use British) -- [[Special:Contributions/70.24.247.242|70.24.247.242]] ([[User talk:70.24.247.242|talk]]) 04:14, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
**I'm sure the Russian space program/me would call [[WP:CSB|bias]] on the US program being primary... - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 16:24, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
*** Well, it is the primary English-speaking program. And the Soviet-US space race makes the Soviet program highly politically tied to the American program, so should use American English. Indeed, using British English for the Soviet program seems biased. [[Special:Contributions/70.24.247.242|70.24.247.242]] ([[User talk:70.24.247.242|talk]]) 04:23, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
**** [[Damned if you do, damned if you don't|Biased if you do, biased if you don't]], it seems. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 22:35, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as per [[WP:RETAIN]] to keep original spelling. Regarding consistency there are numerous examples of articles using different engvar and the consensus is usually to retain the existing variety, I think trying to change articles for the sake of consistency will inevitably lead to dispute. [[User:Zarcadia|Zarcadia]] ([[User talk:Zarcadia|talk]]) 10:46, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
**Consistency ''within the same country's articles''? - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 16:24, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

*'''Query:''' Given the comments above, I believe this might need to be discussed at the WikiProject level, perhaps? - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 22:40, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' essentially per Zarcadia; national ties are the only reason that spelling should be changed, and there are no strong national ties to any English speaking country. I also '''strongly oppose''' the position that all spaceflight has national ties to America; that's like saying "the USA is the largest English-speaking country, therefore the whole of Wikipedia should be en-US". That's simply not how WP:ENGVAR works. Just keep things as they are, and make sure the alternative spelling in each case has a redirect. --'''''[[User:WDGraham|<span style="color:#115566;">W.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:WDGraham|<span style="color:#364966;">D.</span>]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/WDGraham|<span style="color:#496636;">Graham</span>]]''''' 12:10, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
::The Soviet program has strong ties to the American program, it was the Cold War [[Space Race]], so the Soviet program should use American English. It definitely has not hard ties to Britain. -- [[Special:Contributions/76.65.128.252|76.65.128.252]] ([[User talk:76.65.128.252|talk]]) 05:28, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
:::It has no strong ties one way or the other. So the standard should be the predominant useage. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 05:32, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
::::That's not historically accurate, otherwise there would be no [[Space Race]] article. The two superpower space programs were highly coupled in Cold War politics to each other. -- [[Special:Contributions/76.65.128.252|76.65.128.252]] ([[User talk:76.65.128.252|talk]]) 06:28, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
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==Suggest merge July 2017==
[[Zond 1968A]] has no content not already here; the failed mission will have very little to report. What few facts there are could be moved here, and all the missions organized in tabular form. --[[User:Wtshymanski|Wtshymanski]] ([[User talk:Wtshymanski|talk]]) 18:24, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

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