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== Sex Tourism Section ==

This was completely unfounded and has been removed.  There was one reference, actually a reference re-used from elsewhere in the article.  The implication of giving this an entire section within the article is that sex tourism is very big in the area, and also that this is a major part of the culture of the region.  Both suggestions are simply untrue.  In reality, 'sex tourism' implies 'tourism for the purpose of sex' and this is largely not a valid concept within the Chinese domestic travel market: in almost every sizable Chinese hotel there are prostitutes operating, everywhere in the country.  See [[Prostitution in the People's Republic of China]]. [[User:Pratyeka|prat]] ([[User talk:Pratyeka|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== Citation needed ==

<blockquote>...influx of [[Pan-Taiism|Pan-Taiist]] propaganda from Japan's ally, [[History of Thailand (1932–1973)|fascist Thailand]]</blockquote>This needs a citation to support it, as well as re-wording to eliminate the red link unless there's a citation for such an influx. Even then the other link should be changed to [[Plaek_Phibunsongkhram#Alliance_with_Japan|Plaek Phibunsongkhram's alliance with Japan]], which links to a nice propaganda poster, but not one related to our subject. His regime would have met the definition by [[Umberto Eco]] in the paper referenced at the end the article on [[Fascism]], but again that doesn't relate directly to either Phibun's article; or to ours, where "fascist" seems to be used merely as a pejorative. This paper indicates that there was more confusion among the Thai than anything like a plan to unite all [[Tai people]] under one rule: {{cite journal |author=  |last= Maleenont |first= Nobchulee (Dawn) |date= 2010  |title= No God-Damned Thailander Can Be Trusted to Do a Job Without Getting Political Minded: The Free Thai Movement and the Politics of Independence During World War II |journal= Voces Novae: Chapman University Historical Review 
|volume= Vol 2  |issue= No.1 |pages= |publisher= [[Chapman University]] | format= |id=   |doi= 
|url= http://journals.chapman.edu/ojs/index.php/VocesNovae/article/view/56/240
|quote=In the second half of 1943, Captain Miles of the United States Navy Intelligence was becoming more and more entangled in Thai politics. He saw that the establishment of a Thai exile government in Chungking [the [[Chungking#Provisional_capital_of_the_Republic_of_China|provisional capital of the Republic of China]]] equaled a Free Thai and OSS success under his supervision, as well as a strong cooperative relationship between the Chinese and the Americans as the product of his maneuvering.
|accessdate= September 29, 2013 
}} 
Maybe it should be left out? We might include instead a reference to this paper that disputes the common description of a "Mass Migration" to Thai lands: {{cite journal |author=  | last1 =  Du Yuting | first1 = | authorlink1 =  | last2 = Chen Lufan | first2 =|year= 1989
|title=  Did Kublai Khan's Conquest of the Dali Kingdom Give Rise to the Mass Migration of the Thai People to the South?	|journal= [[Journal of the Siam Society]] 
|format= free PDF |volume= JSS Vol. 77.1c 
|issue= digital |page= |pages= |at=  
|publisher= Siam Heritage Trust |doi= 
|url= http://www.siamese-heritage.org/jsspdf/1981/JSS_077_1c_DuYutingChenLufan_KublaiKhanConquestAndThaiMigration.pdf
|accessdate= March 17, 2013
|quote= 
}} 
—[[User:Pawyilee|Pawyilee]] ([[User talk:Pawyilee|talk]]) 20:36, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

:The tone of much of the material from Hsieh Shih-Chung’s book seems inappropriate for Wikipedia.  How does a sentence like “The Communists liberated the prefecture from Guomindang loyalists in 1952” promote a neutral point of view?  If it was a direct quote it would be OK, though needing some context, but as a supposed paraphrase appearing as primary Wikipedia text, it’s just awful!  I’ll try to fix some of this.  ☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 03:20, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

::It would be good to know what ‘Burmese-based monastic education’ means exactly.  Is that education through the medium of the Burmese language? The current link is to Burma. Maybe this made more sense before the earlier history of the region was removed from the article.

::After some prevarication, I removed the word ''fascist'' and also removed the citation required template. The relevant reference is probably the one in the following sentence.  Although it seems accepted that Plaek Phibunsongkhram was influenced by European fascism, a text search at Google Books did not find the word ''fascist'' in Hsieh’s book.  It was added in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Xishuangbanna_Dai_Autonomous_Prefecture&diff=next&oldid=551421831 this big edit] by [[User:Shrigley|Shrigley]].  I think the link to that period of Thailand’s history is probably better than linking to Phibun.

::Red-links aren’t always bad. Pan-Taiism probably ''does'' deserve an article, even if it’s a minor phenomenon compared to [[Pan-Slavism]] or [[Pan-Turkism]].

::I removed the reference to Western missionaries’ ulterior motives because this implied the Communists had no ulterior motives.  It seems reasonable that ''both'' groups had both altruistic motives and wanted to make the people good Christians/Communists.  I also removed excessive details like the Chinese name of a particular mission.

::I don’t quite follow how the creation of [[Jingdong Yi Autonomous County]] on the other side of Pu'er Prefecture from Xishuangbanna Prefecture, affected its territory, but I’ll leave that to someone else to figure out.

::Peacefully negotiated [[land reform]] ({{lang|zh-hans|和平协商土改}}, ''hépíng xiéshāng tǔgǎi'') - I have changed this to simply ''Land reform''.  The typically propagandistic Chinese title seems a little unbalanced for Wikipedia.  For all I know, it ''was'' peacefully negotiated, but if it wasn’t I’m sure the name would have been the same.

::☸ <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Moilleadóir|Moilleadóir]]</span> [[User talk:Moilleadóir|☎]] 05:41, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

:::Hmm, I'm not sure what I was thinking at the time that I chose "liberated" among the many synonyms of similar semantic range for regime change. I am usually good about suppressing that impulse :-). Don't worry about Hsieh's scholarship being tainted by his potentially being a pinko Han chauvinist Commie fascist. Like many (especially Western-trained) anthropologists, it's actually biased in the opposite direction of "going native" and boo-hooing about the loss of precious native knowledge. 

:::Imperial Japan's promethianism against China was extremely broad, and it left a deep legacy in all those areas of China where foreigners are interested in ascribing a non-Chinese identity and history to the resident minorities. Whatever the motivation of the people who manifest this interest, I only wish that it involved more curiosity, more research, and more addition of information, and less suppression of the same. Anyway, you've inspired me to write an article on Pan-Taiism. Thanks! [[User:Shrigley|Shrigley]] ([[User talk:Shrigley|talk]]) 06:41, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

== To add ==

To add: what it borders. [[Special:Contributions/204.210.190.132|204.210.190.132]] ([[User talk:204.210.190.132|talk]]) 23:56, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

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