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== "Complicated" screenshot ==
I have a screenshot from the bridge of the Yggdrasil, with Sigurd saying "Young master, this could become unexpectedly complicated...", which I wanted to add to the end of the first Story section (where it belongs chronologically). However, I'm not sure whether this is this is a good idea or not , as well as whether it falls under "fair use", since it's not particularly vital to the telling of the story. Any opinions? [[User:Khim1|Khim1]] ([[User talk:Khim1|talk]]) 13:03, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

== Europe / Pal PSN release date? ==
Does anyone know a release date for when xenogears is coming out in europe / PAL territories, or know if its coming out here at all?
[[User:Captain duck|Captain duck]] ([[User talk:Captain duck|talk]]) 15:57, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

== Hardback leatherbound ~Perfect Works~ ==
Has anybody else seen one? I Have held one in my hands, yah laugh all you want. I Have held a Xenogears Perect Works book that was hardbound in leatherback in my hands. I almost bought one on ebay for $35 free ship. I lost the auction by $0.25. Who else has seen one? I have eyes and hands I am not stupid I held one in my hands. I had the ISBN but I lost it, I think I lost the picture as well ( Old hard drive.. ) also, XenoLemonade had a refference once, but it's gone now. Again, I don't care we need to have a refference. There is a hardbound Xenosaga book I OWN IT NOW. ANd there was a hardbound perfect works as well, we need to refference it.[[User:XenoGears|Xenogears™©®]] 08:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

==Merchandise section badly needed==
Let's get busy, we need a complete merchandise section. The 200 special anniversary release edition, the sound tracks, the wall scroll, the books, even the keychains and postcards. I will start a list of all things made with xenogears. SOMEBODY try to confirm the OVA/ANIME release on Japanese tv in late 1998.[[User:XenoGears|Xenogears™©®]] 09:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

The anime was probably under discussion but probably not produced.
--[[User:69.109.44.79|69.109.44.79]] 09:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

==XG =/= XS==
"Tetsuya Takahashi was the director and writer for both Xenogears and Xenosaga, and the background storyline of Xenogears was reinterperted into Xenosaga. Though Xenosaga is not an official prequel to Xenogears, this is only because storyline changes were necessary because Square-Enix owned the rights to Xenogears."

WTF? Tetsuya Takahashi said that Xenogears and Xenosaga are NOT the same saga. Where is the original source of this argument? It's just a fan's dream, nothing else.
Existence 20:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
:A fan's dream...plus the fact that a lot of the same names, places, terms and so forth are used.  Does need a source though.  And of course he said they're not the same- he's not allowed to say that they're the same, any more than they're technically allowed to be the same, they don't have the rights to Xenogears.


== Expert? ==

Just out of curiousity, why is there a tag asking for an expert? :o[[User:Sophia Demiurge|Sophia Demiurge]] 23:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:My guess is because the entire article is filled with unsubstantiated claims with the criticism, The Mystery of the Second Disc, and Psychological/Philosophical sections being the worst offenders. --[[User:Mitaphane|Mitaphane]] <sub>[[User talk:Mitaphane|talk]]</sub> 10:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

To be blunt, the entire article is written poorly.  I've spent a lot of time at www.xgam.org, and I can identify "wishful thinking" from a Xenogears fanboy when I see it.  A lot of the OR is just that.  I think that sometime in the next week or two I'm going to give this an entire re-write, removing all OR and focus on actual factual information about XG, cited from the game itself.  You'll notice that the XG official site and Mitsuda's homepage have trace information on the subject, while all of the other references are fansites, i.e., NOT credible sources.  Really, the only way to do this article properly is to write information that is derived from the actual game.

--AbyssWyrm, 11 August 2006, 17:19 EDT.

I'll be blunt.  That is a damn stupid idea.  If the information can be sourced properly, then it is not OR by definition.  A completely rewrite is far from what is needed.  What is needed is more factual information about xenogears, I will agree with you on that, but a complete rewrite using only sources that you deem "credibile"(as if you or anyone has the authority to deem a source credibile or uncredible on wikipedia) would be met with much criticism.  This article needs expanding. I actually thought it was much better about 3 months ago.  [[User:Liquidtenmillion|Liquidtenmillion]] 02:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

:"  If the information can be sourced properly, then it is not OR by definition"
:There's a lot of confusion about this on wikipedia.  If a random wiki editor writes their own analysis it's Original Research: Not Allowed (except it clearly IS allowed because literally every TV Show and Videogame plot synopsis is unsourced; yet, if you write the same obvious factual description of certain other things you'll get deleted), but then somehow if someone on a random website writes their own analysis it's not a legitimate piece of information for inclusion in wikipedia...hmm [[User:RandomEditor6772314|RandomEditor6772314]] ([[User talk:RandomEditor6772314|talk]]) 15:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

== Concerning the Second Disc Mystery ==

Unless sources can be cited verifying these claims, there is really no (neutral) reason to have this section in the article. Consider, by the very tone of the section I can tell it was written by someone who had an utter distaste for the style of Disc 2. If it is to maintain neutrality, I feel that the section should be removed, or at best, should be made into a section discussing the debug room briefly (if it even exists, I've never accessed this personally). A tangent over how a sequel is (or was) in the works is a bit overboard. 

The term "Mystery" is a relative one. I didn't really mind Disc 2's style at all. In my opinion, it was the Disc that focused on the actual story, and stopped jerking me around with the cliche subplots. But am I going to make a section saying "the Second Disc Superiourity" ? No. Lol. It's all a matter of opinion.[[User:Sophia Demiurge|Sophia Demiurge]] 15:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I too agree that the current format with the disc 2 stuff is completely overboard.  Now I definately think that a mention of the change in style should be mentioned in the article because its a major criticism of the game (but only from a gameplay standpoint, the story obviously reaches new heights of greatness on disc 2).  But the current way it is written goes way too overboard discussing it.  A major cleanup is needed, reducing it to a sentence or two would be best.  A lot of stuff about budget cuts, etc... is pure fan conjecture with little to back it up (unfortunately we don't really have anything official about why things ended up as they did).  I recommend either splitting up the conversation into another article (a Xenogears controversy article or something like that) or paring it down severly compared to the current format. The overall article too needs a lot of work, which I may focus on eventually, as a huge fan and self-proclaimed game expert.[[User:Quiddity99|Quiddity]] 12:13, 11 August 2006

It's worth noting that the Criticism section of the article already (vaguely) mentions the change of style in the second disc. It is only one sentence stuck in a jumbled paragraph, so perhaps it could be elaborated upon in a new, separate paragraph within the Criticism section. I would not mind seeing the Fan Theories separated, whether by getting its own subheading (as to be separated from all official data WITH a warning/notice of some kind establishing that fact) or by getting its own article.[[User:Sophia Demiurge|Sophia Demiurge]] 16:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

==Major Cleanup==

Considering all the complaints recently on this page I've done some major cleanup of the page; most notably the removal of the 'Disc 2 Controversy' section and moving all the Xenosaga conjecture to its own section (sorry, I'm a Xenogears expert, not a Xenosaga expert, the Xenosaga experts will have to cleanup that part!).  Also the plot commentary in the gameplay section has been removed entirely and I've fleshed out the plot summary a little bit more to give a more global view of the game's story.  I do think the references part is valuable to this article, so I've left in the philosophical section for now, but with the full knowledge that it really does need some work.  An addition of religious references to this area would probably be rest rather than have it in the criticism section.  I hope I haven't angered anyone, but a lot of this stuff on the page is fan opinion and conjecture, and while it may be okay on a seperate criticism or controversy page, it definately was going a tad overboard (particularly the disc 2 stuff).  Admittingly, this is just a start, this article still needs a lot of work! [[User:Quiddity99|Quiddity99]] 18:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

:Good start; I came back to this article the other day and noticed it was drowning in cruft and OR. This is at least a start. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User:Deckiller/EA|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User talk:Deckiller|r]]''' 04:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


hi theres some aspects of religion aboutthis game that have been completely lost on you guys but thats ok cause without certain pre-requisite knowledge i dont see how most people would pick up on it. you guys have completely overlooked the HUGE jewish influence on this game, and im at a loss to explain how it ended up in a japanese game but its there anyway... first of all kislev nisan and adar are names of hebrew months, second theres the whole "Zohar modifier" the Zohar is the main compendium of Kabbalah. When that being talks to the heroes in the game about a being of infinte light or something that was trapped in the Zohar modifier, its referencing a concept in Jewish mysticism called Tzimtzum which is the constriction of the infinite light of God into this world where it is hidden but present, the design on the front of the Zohar modifier is the "Aitz Chaim" or "the tree of life" which is a another reference to Jewish Mysticism, the two angels in the chapel of nisan each one with broken wings can be said to be a jewish kabbalistic idea as well referencing the shards of the broken vessels... which is the name of one of the songs on the xenogears soundtrack. Solaris the empire of evil controlling the world from on high is a reference, temporally to the catholic church or philisophically to any corrupt and opressive "theocracy" that seeks to use "deus" to expand their own personal power base. solaris is latin for the sun, that coupled with the inquisitors that are employed by solaris the catholic church reference, or at least the reference to perhaps rome or byzantium itself becomes more apparet. Aristobulus is the name of one of the last bosses you fight, he was a traitor jew that caused many problems in his bid for power as he sided with the greeks in the years betweeen the maccabeean revolt against the greeks and the eventual roman conquest of judah. The word deus is also noteworthy being that it is a greek word, which is the language the christian bible was first disseminated in, thus showing a distinction between the "sect" of nissan (hebrew word), the Zohar Modifier which again is hebrew and in the game theoretically contains a spark of the essence of the true infinite being, and the worldly goals of Solaris with Deus (latin,greek). thats all i can remember off hand, i believe these ideas should be incorporated into your article because its a major theme of many f the central elements of the game and missing them creates a major vacuum in anyones ability to properly understand the symbolism and ideas of this classic game. 
- Levito -

Well noted, Levito. I'm always surprised by how little-noted by reviewers and critics are the (very notable) Jewish influences.

== This article needs to be expanded. ==

It is just plain AWFUL as it is.  There is nothing really stated in this article.  Look at Xenosaga's article.  It's at least twice as long.  I would like to see at least a little bit more about the plot, and things like a Trivia section, which thousands of other videogame articles have. [[User:Liquidtenmillion|Liquidtenmillion]] 22:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

There was a lot of stuff awhile ago... a lot to do with Neon Genesis Evangelion and other things... wonder where it got to?

:I'm pretty sure I (or someone else) nuked the Eva comparison section a while ago because it was irrelevant OR.  I'll probably be working on this article in the near future, though. [[User:Moogy|<span style="color:black;">'''Moogy'''</span>]]<span style="font-size:x-small;"><sup> [[User_talk:Moogy|'''<span style="color:red;">(</span><span style="color:black;">talk</span><span style="color:red;">)</span>''']]</sup></span> 00:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== My attempt at rewriting == 
I doubt I will be able to completely redo this article to perfection so much as edit it, but please let me know what you think until we get an "Expert" on this subject. [[User:Dream Rurouni|Dream Rurouni]] 03:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

:I think you removed the [[WP:OR|OR]] tag prematurely, as some sentences are doing more than factually relating the game (the first example I noticed was the comment about physical/magical balance of characters with respect to other RPGs).  Editing is going well.  Rewriting sections with a particular [[WP:NPOV|POV]] is just as important as removing the OR. --[[User:GargoyleMT|GargoyleMT]] 19:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

::What I mentioned here is pretty minor in comparison to the "influences" section, in terms of OR.  --[[User:GargoyleMT|GargoyleMT]] 19:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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==Plot Summary / Story==

What is everyone's opinion about whether the story/plot summary should encompass the entire game's plot, or just an introduction?  I originally wrote a short introduction as the story a few months ago, now someone has added on to it, only for it to stop right in the middle of things.  I can take a shot at writing a summary that encompasses the entire story, (featured articles like FF7 cover the whole game).  My only concern is being able to compress it enough so it isn't an absurd length.  [[User:Quiddity99|Quiddity99]] 14:49, 28 July 2007 (UTC)Quiddity99
: I suspect there's a policy somewhere, but judging by other articles, the full plot seems to be the norm.  I prettied up what someone had added onto your intro.  It was too long since I played for me to do a decent job expanding and abbreviating... but if I can be of help, I will. --[[User:GargoyleMT|GargoyleMT]] 20:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
: I was just working on the plot summary but I realized there is no way to do the plot justice without making the section ENORMOUS. Someone already did a plot summary here: http://guardian.leamonde.net/history/sheamon-epfive.shtml. Can we just link to that somehow?[[Special:Contributions/141.161.119.79|141.161.119.79]] ([[User talk:141.161.119.79|talk]]) 04:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::I replaced the Story section (which was ridiculously long due to obscene amounts of detail, and yet didn’t even cover half the game) with a single paragraph from an older version of the article. I think it’s much better, but the ending sounds a bit too much like ad copy to me (as undetailed summaries so often do). If anyone objects to the edit, I ask that you not revert to that behemoth, but write a decent summary. And try to do it in ''less'' than 1,000 words. —[[User:Frungi|Frungi]] ([[User talk:Frungi|talk]]) 02:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I revised the "Setting" subheading under "Plot" a few days ago and went back to see that someone had deleted what I had written and replaced the original muddy, ungrammatical trash that was there before. Who is doing this?

[[Special:Contributions/74.221.147.63|74.221.147.63]] ([[User talk:74.221.147.63|talk]]) 05:52, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

== Voice Actors ==

A voice actors section is needed for both the English and Japanese versions of this game.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.42.232.255|75.42.232.255]] ([[User talk:75.42.232.255|talk]]) 16:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Why? --[[User:Ihsbislns|<span style="color:#000000;"> Blackguards_Light</span>]]''' <sup>//[[User talk: Blackguards_Light |Evil turning good]]//</sup>
:::People come to wikipedia for just such information. --[[Special:Contributions/70.160.97.60|70.160.97.60]] ([[User talk:70.160.97.60|talk]]) 22:36, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Is that even public knowledge?  In my 10 or so years of being a fan of the game, I've never heard at the very least the english actors credited anywhere.

== Error needs correcting ==

"The first vocal track is titled "Stars of Tears" and is similar to the game's principal overworld theme, "Emotions". This track is not played anywhere in the actual game, though it is on the game CD and can only be accessed by unconventional means."

The above info isn't quite accurate..  The song "Star of Tears" (vocal version) IS played if you let the title screen sit for a few minutes with a cleared game save file on the memory card.. the title screen will cut into a FMV montage while Star of Tears is played.   [[Special:Contributions/214.13.173.15|214.13.173.15]] ([[User talk:214.13.173.15|talk]]) 15:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
*Why point it out and then not fix it? [[User:Nezu Chiza|Nezu Chiza]] ([[User talk:Nezu Chiza|talk]]) 16:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

==Merge in soundtrack==
It is a whole article devoted to the games soundtrack, it's barely a paragraph, and would bolster this article if added here. [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] ([[User talk:Judgesurreal777|talk]]) 23:41, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:It's okay for now, but I'll try to create a [[Music of Xenogears]] article eventually, since the usual criteria for a "Music of" article is to have at least 2 albums (Creid is the arranged soundtrack, not the OST). [[User:Kariteh|Kariteh]] ([[User talk:Kariteh|talk]]) 08:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

==A few questions, comments==
I don't know how everyone else feels, but I think the character section as it stands right now is AWFUL.  The tone is horrid (particularly on Krelian), it makes too many references to characters and terms that aren't mentioned anywhere else, and it leaves out many significant characters like Ramsus and Grahf entirely.  Didn't there used to be a seperate character page before?  Whatever happened to it?  Plenty of other video games have seperate character sections so I don't see why Xenogears can't have one.  Or maybe I'm just remembering something that was never there. In any case, the character section needs a big overhaul, and I for one don't mind taking up the slack and taking a stab at it.

The backstory section just doesn't belong here if you ask me.  Far too much detail for this article in its given state.  We've barely got anything there for the plot or characters, yet we've got all this space for the backstory stuff from perfect works?  I strongly feel that the entire thing should be deleted, with perhaps small bits brought back at a later time once the overall strength of this article is raised.

In addition, this line really bugs me:
"It was intended to be the fifth part of a six-part story detailed in Xenogears Perfect Works; at the end of the game’s credits, “Episode V” appears on screen."

Is there any actual evidence out there that Xenogears was intended to be part five of a six part story?  I've been into Xenogears for a long time and had a well-respected website for it for a number of years but I don't think there ever was any evidence that it was intended to be part 5 of a 6 part story.  Rather, they created Xenogears, and built up the other 5 episodes as support for it, with perhaps the chance to make seperate games or novels for a few other parts (particularly part 1 and 6) if it ended up being really popular.  The game certainly was never meant to be part 5 of a 6 part chronological series.  If someone can't provide evidence for this, I will be either deleting or rewording this sentence. [[User:Quiddity99|Quiddity99]] ([[User talk:Quiddity99|talk]]) 22:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Quiddity99
:Have made some pretty significant edits, in particular deleting the entire backstory section, and rewriting pretty much all of the character blurbs.  At the very least I think we should add Maria, Miang and Ramsus to that section, which I'll try to do a little later on if someone doesn't beat me to it.[[User:Quiddity99|Quiddity99]] ([[User talk:Quiddity99|talk]]) 23:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Quiddity99

==Krelian: 'Main' villain versus 'Final' villain ==
Kariteh: I think on an encyclopedia article 'main' villain fits Krelian better than 'final' villain.  For starters, there's no debate that Krelian is the principal villain of the game.  Yes, the game has many villains, but he is the 'main' one.  As for the term 'final', I think it has many different interpretations, many of which don't even fit him, and for an encyclopedia isn't really a relevent enough term.  For starters, what is meant by 'final'?  The final villain you face in battle?  You never face Krelian in battle.  The final villain alive?  Thats not accurate either, as Ramsus and the Elements survive the game.  The final villain introduced?  Nicolai, Tolone and Seraphita are all introduced after him.  Yeah, you could say he's the final villain on screen, or the villain who has face time the furthest into the game (the ending), but that's completely irrelevent if you ask me. [[User:Quiddity99|Quiddity99]] ([[User talk:Quiddity99|talk]]) 17:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Quiddity99
:Fine, go ahead, do what you want. The article is a mess anyway. [[User:Kariteh|Kariteh]] ([[User talk:Kariteh|talk]]) 17:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::Krelian is the final boss. This is not up for debate. Yes, the name of the boss isn't Krelian, but it's made crystal clear that what you are fighting is a manifestation of Krelian's will.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.83.146.151|70.83.146.151]] ([[User talk:70.83.146.151|talk]]) 23:36, 12 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Krelian/Karellen==
As accureately stated in the article, this character's name in Japanese is written カレルレン, Ka-Re-Ru-Re-N. This is an obvious reference to Arthur C. Clarke's character Karellen, an overmind who wanted to promote an accelerated evolution of the human species to transcending mortal flesh and becoming one with a higher mind or being (which is exactly the goal of Project Noah). Krelian is a mistranscription obvious to anyone who knows the least about Katakana and Romaji. If his name was supposed to be Krelian, it would be written クレリアン. Other European languages might vary the pronounciation, but the reference to Childhood's End is crystal-clear obvious.

:There were a lot of mistranslations back into English when the game was ported from Japanese.   "Alkanshel" is a mistranslation of ARUKANSHERU (thereabouts) - "archangel".  Xenogears is full of this stuff.   Thanks for the info. [[Special:Contributions/214.13.168.77|214.13.168.77]] ([[User talk:214.13.168.77|talk]]) 19:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

==Hey guys==
I was just wondering if there was any current editers for this article (you know what I mean). The whole thing's kind of sporadic at the moment and I thought about getting the article up to speed a bit. Anyone interested?[[User:Evaunit666|<b style="color:#fd8af6;">Evaunit</b>]][[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:#fd8af6;">♥666♥</span>]] 02:53, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think so, it's long overdue to be brought up to GA status. [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] ([[User talk:Judgesurreal777|talk]]) 03:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
::I'm in the middle of playing it now, and I'm willing to improve it once I've beaten it. [[User:The Prince of Darkness|The Prince]] ([[User talk:The Prince of Darkness|talk]]) 05:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
:::I just bought the guide from Amazon (because I like the pictures xD) and was thinking about doing some work. Any help's appreciated! [[User:Evaunit666|<b style="color:#fd8af6;">Evaunit</b>]][[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:#fd8af6;">♥666♥</span>]] 02:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

==Eventual major plot issues==
Already, the plot section is huge, and I'm still not finished going through the game and writing the story section. With the character section already huge, this is going to be problematic when it's all done. However, unlike with most problems of fancruft in game articles, if you start slimming the info down, the plot becomes completely nonsensical. The story is huge and I'm wondering if we should eventually make a separate characters article, sort of like with [[Chrono Trigger]]. When I'm done with the story, I'll start taking less relevent things out, but most of it is needed to retain comprehension of the story. Any ideas would be very appreciated. [[User:Evaunit666|<b style="color:#fd8af6;">Evaunit</b>]][[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:#fd8af6;">♥666♥</span>]] 01:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
::Makes sense to me.  Although I could have sworn we had a seperate one at one time that got completely deleted and merged in with this article. @_@ [[User:Quiddity99|Quiddity99]] ([[User talk:Quiddity99|talk]]) 01:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)Quiddity99
:::Yes, that is correct. It wasn't deleted, though, only redirected. You can check out the version before it got redirected [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Xenogears_characters&oldid=212973733 here]. If you're able to find some real-world content for it, then go ahead and recreate it. If not, we may have a problem. [[User:The Prince of Darkness|The Prince]] ([[User talk:The Prince of Darkness|talk]]) 12:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
::::It wouldn't be that difficult to go through the game and pull quotes, if that's what's necessary for references.  What's the general thought out there for what would be necessary for references?  To this day it still does not make sense to me that you can't simply use the source itself, in this case the game.  Being a Japanese product, there just really isn't anything else out there in English for sources for character information unless you're gonna use fansites, which generally pull the info right out of the game!  At least that's what I did for the most part when I ran a XG fansite.  I do think we definately need a seperate character section to preserve room in this article, and given that other games like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 7 have them, there's definately precedent there.  Will wait to hear other's thoughts before I do anything though. [[User:Quiddity99|Quiddity99]] ([[User talk:Quiddity99|talk]]) 22:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)Quiddity99
:::::To my understanding, for the whole references thing, it's very alright to use game quotes for character information, HOWEVER, we also need other references to explain why the characters are notable. I was reading an article at Edge, for instance, that went into detail about Fei's issues. Things like that will be needed to really make the character list work. I already have a few examples of this stuff and I'm sure we can find a lot more, so if we're all in agreement, I think we should start making the character article. [[User:Evaunit666|<b style="color:#fd8af6;">Evaunit</b>]][[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:#fd8af6;">♥666♥</span>]] 01:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like a plan!  I'm probably gonna start delving into revising the character section sometime this weekend.  The more help you guys can give me with references, the better :) [[User:Quiddity99|Quiddity99]] ([[User talk:Quiddity99|talk]]) 11:34, 29 August 2008 (UTC)Quiddity99

==List of characters==
Thanks for the support! I'm putting this on the main page instead of my talkpage so everyone'll see it, but this is a response to the comments left there. In regards to the new characters article, right now it is just what was on the main character moved over. I'll add in more real world stuff, but school's starting soon, so if I could get a break on having the page deleted soon, I'd appreciate it xD I'm a slow worker (and could use as much help as possible) but I know the article needs a lot of work still. I really like the Xenogears article a lot better without the long list of characters and I'm thinking it's getting close to GA maybe? Is there anything anyone can think of that would help either article? [[User:Evaunit666|<b style="color:#fd8af6;">Evaunit</b>]][[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:#fd8af6;">♥666♥</span>]] 05:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Oh and I just saw the other character list article (missed that one xD;; ). What's going to happen in regards to that? [[User:Evaunit666|<b style="color:#fd8af6;">Evaunit</b>]][[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:#fd8af6;">♥666♥</span>]] 05:40, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:The Xenogears certainly has improved a lot. The only thing it needs now is a good copy-edit. About the two characters lists: I put up a {{tl|db-histmerge}} tag on the [[List of Xenogears characters]] so that the article will be called "Characters of Xenogears" and its history will include both the [[Characters of Xenogears]] edits and List of Xenogears characters edits. For the discussion go [[Talk:List of Xenogears characters#Merge?|here]]. [[User:The Prince of Darkness|The Prince]] ([[User talk:The Prince of Darkness|talk]]) 09:22, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
::Sounds good. [[User:Evaunit666|<b style="color:#fd8af6;">Evaunit</b>]][[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:#fd8af6;">♥666♥</span>]] 04:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

==GA?==
I haven't worked on the article for a while, but it seems to be close. What do you guys think? [[User:Evaunit666|<b style="color:#fd8af6;">Evaunit</b>]][[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:#fd8af6;">♥666♥</span>]] 13:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. I've read through everything except "Plot" (still haven't finished playing it) and it looked good. Are you planning on sending it to GAN? [[User:The Prince of Darkness|The Prince]] ([[User talk:The Prince of Darkness|talk]]) 13:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::I'll wait a few days and then nominate it. It should pass without too much difficulty. [[User:Evaunit666|<b style="color:#fd8af6;">Evaunit</b>]][[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:#fd8af6;">♥666♥</span>]] 00:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
{{Talk:Xenogears/GA1}}

==Cannibalism?==

Xenogears is included in the "Cannibalism" category?  Does the game have something to do with cannibalism?  Somehow, I don't think that it does, but I've never actually played it.  I just wanted to suggest removing it from the Cannibalism category in the case that it shouldn't be in it. [[User:Cowgod14|Cowgod14]] ([[User talk:Cowgod14|talk]]) 17:51, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

:An entity called "Deus" absorbs pretty much all of the humanity. But it's rather symbolical, so ti's not cannibalism in it's colloquial sense.

::There is a section in the middle of the game where it is revealed that cannibalism occurs in certain contexts. (Avoiding spoilers and all.) [[User:Cthuljew|Cthuljew]] ([[User talk:Cthuljew|talk]]) 08:57, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
:::agreed with cthuljew. [[User:Evaunit666|<b style="color:#fd8af6;">Evaunit</b>]][[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:#fd8af6;">♥666♥</span>]] 16:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
:::: Since Soylent Green is also included in the category then this qualifies too. [[User:Harlock jds|harlock_jds]] ([[User talk:Harlock jds|talk]]) 12:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

There are definite scenes of cannibalism. Both Fei and Elly consume the Soylent food product, which, as you may guess, "is people!!!"
[[Special:Contributions/74.221.147.63|74.221.147.63]] ([[User talk:74.221.147.63|talk]]) 18:40, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

== Far too much story ==

The Story section of this article seems terrible for an encyclopedia article, frankly. Xenogearrs has a hell of a big story, but could someone trim it down? A lot? —[[User:Frungi|Frungi]] ([[User talk:Frungi|talk]]) 06:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
:I remember painstakingly going through the story and writing it out as compact as possible. I'll go back into the history and compare it to what it is now. But I agree. ?[[User:Evaunit666|<span style="color:violet;">EVAUNIT</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:orange">神の人間の殺害者</span>]]</sup> 15:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
::If you look [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Xenogears&oldid=234921719 here], there's a long but shorter version. What do you think??[[User:Evaunit666|<span style="color:violet;">EVAUNIT</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:orange">神の人間の殺害者</span>]]</sup> 15:39, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Also note that there is a seperate article for the characters. ?[[User:Evaunit666|<span style="color:violet;">EVAUNIT</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:orange">神の人間の殺害者</span>]]</sup> 23:21, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
In a few days, I'll go through the story section then try GAN again.?[[User:Evaunit666|<span style="color:violet;">EVAUNIT</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:orange">神の人間の殺害者</span>]]</sup> 00:53, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

==GAN?==
I'll probably submit it in a few days.?[[User:Evaunit666|<span style="color:violet;">EVAUNIT</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Evaunit666|<span style="color:orange">神の人間の殺害者</span>]]</sup> 20:50, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

{{/GA2}}

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