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== "North American wildcat"==
The North American wildcat is not mentioned, either in terms of existence or range?  North America and Central America have an animal by this name, as well as, of course, lynxes, pumas, and panthers. <br /><small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] ([[User talk:Geogre|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Geogre|contribs]]) 15:55, 3 June 2004‎</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

:Those other [[feline]]s are not in the genus ''Felis.'' see [http://home.globalcrossing.net/~brendel/felidae.html this link]. The subspecies are generally reckoned to be three, not two. The first domestication of ''F. s. catus'' comes ''after'' the development of agricultur of course, a point that should be mentioned, as it's more important than an actual date, like the fanciful 8000 BCE mentioned in the entry. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] 10:32, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

== Articles ==

Shouldn't the Silvestris and Lybica have deffrent articles?[[User:Sitenl|Sitenl]] 16:28, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

:''silvestris'' and ''lybica'' are genrally considered a single species, hence a single article. '''Note:''' Some clasifications of the genus ''Felis'' group ''silvestris'' and ''lybica'' as separate species, and group ''ornata'' as a sub-species of ''lybica''. Most seem to consider them a single species of ''Felis silvestris'' containing several subspecies groups, i.e. ''silvestris'', ''lybica'', ''ornata'' and ''catus''. Some examples of these conflicting classifications can be seen at [http://home.globalcrossing.net/~brendel/felidae.html The Cyber Zoomobile],{{dead link}} [http://www.funet.fi/pub/sci/bio/life/mammalia/carnivora/felidae/felis/ Felis] and [http://www.androidworld.com/prod85.htm Linnean Classification of the Order Carnivora] --[[User:Sonelle|Sonelle]] 13:53, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the ''silvestris'' and ''lybica'' '''are the same''' species, though they look different -- [[User:George cowie|George cowie]]


==Article needs to be moved==

This article needs to be moved to [[Wildcat (animal)]] or some such, and the spelling changed throughout.  The current name of the article violates Wikipedia conventions by capitalizing the second word.  And it shouldn't be two words, but one.  "Wild cat" means "any species of cat that is wild, other than the great cats"; "wildcat" refers specifically to the animals in this article.  E.g.:  "The Asian leopard cat is a wild cat" is a correct statement, while "the Asian leopard cat is a wildcat" is an incorrect one.  &mdash; [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[User_talk:Smccandlish|[talk]]] [[Special:Contributions/Smccandlish|[contrib]]] - 05:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
:I agree. Would also be a good time to fix redirects. It is not that much work, shall we do it immediatly? --[[User:KimvdLinde|KimvdLinde]] 05:48, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


== "African wildcat"==
It is incorrect to say an extant species is the ancestor of another extant species. So it should read that they share a common ancestor. --LGao 3:38, 26 May, 2006
:Well, not exactly, as for example in the case of [[parapatric speciation]], which could be seen as the way domestication has occured. -- [[User:KimvdLinde|Kim van der Linde]] <sup>[[User talk:KimvdLinde|at venus]]</sup> 19:47, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
:Neither the African wildcat nor the domestic cat ''is'' a species. Both are subspecies of Felis silvestris. [[Special:Contributions/75.76.213.106|75.76.213.106]] ([[User talk:75.76.213.106|talk]]) 03:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)




== not easily mistaken? ==

The article says that wild cats would not normally be mistaken for domesitic cats.  Yet all three pictures in the article look just like house cats to me.  Perhaps they are not a good selection of pictures?  [[User:Strait|Strait]] 01:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I couldn't comment about European wild cats, never having seen one, but growing up I had a house cat that looked exactly like the African wild cat I photographed. --[[User:Sonelle|Sonelle]] &#91;&#91;User_talk:Sonelle&#124;(talk)]] 17:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Its difficult to tell the difference sometimes expecially if there is nothing to measure the size against.
Also there is a lot of interbreeding with feral cats going on (in Scotland) so there are fewer true wildcats around.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/90.206.163.179|90.206.163.179]] ([[User talk:90.206.163.179|talk]]) 14:32, 19 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I suspect there is some cultural bias going on in this article.  Wildcats are wild animals and should not be considered domesticatable, but domestic housecats are indistinguishable from these animals, as many have already mentioned.  I'm sorry, but this differentiation doesn't sound very scientific to me.[[User:Jarhed|Jarhed]] ([[User talk:Jarhed|talk]]) 03:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

'Wildcats are wild animals and should not be considered domesticatable.' They are domesticatable, and some of them had already been domesticated, they are now most numerous [[carnivorans]] in the world. [[cat]]  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/202.123.130.53|202.123.130.53]] ([[User talk:202.123.130.53|talk]]) 11:48, 13 August 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== domestic/wild interbreeding as "threat" to wild populations ==

In the setion on european wild cats, the interbreeding of wild and domestic cats is mentioned '''in''' a couple '''of places''' as a potential threat to wild populations, but the nature of this threat is not discussed. If anything, I'd think the wild populations might benefit from a wider gene pool. Genes from domestics that impact positively on survival could be expected to proliferate in the wild population, and those with a detrimental effect would presumably remain rare.

If it's only the "purity" of the wild population that's threatened and not the survival of the cats themselves, maybe the problem has more to do with our way of thinking about the cats than with '''it has to do with''' the '''actual''' cats <s>themselves</s>. If someone has an alternate theory, I'm interested to hear it. --[[User:Eloil|Eloil]] 09:52 '''& :57, 10:09 & :35''', 18 December 2006 (UTC)

:Given that domestic cats and European wildcats are the same species, I don't see how interbreeding can be considered a "threat". Felis silvestris is still Felis silvestris, regardless of the subspecies. It's normal for animals of different subspecies to interbreed when they come into contact; the main thing that causes subspecies to develop is simple physical separation. Remove that and the fact that they're still all the same species will come into play. [[Special:Contributions/75.76.213.106|75.76.213.106]] ([[User talk:75.76.213.106|talk]]) 03:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

:: One clear case of it being detrimental to the wild population is in bringing in genes that code for characteristics that have a negative impact on survivability. For example, it's easy to imagine that if a persian cat was to breed with a wild one the offsprings would risk having hair that mat easily, a face that make eating difficult and colours that do not blend well in it's environment. In general, a domesticated specie diverge genetically from it's wild cousin on many characteristics that make it unfit to live in the wild. Domestic/wild breeding is especially a threat if the wild population has low numbers in comparison with it's domesticated relative because there is a risk of having most litters being miss-adapted to the environmental conditions.[[User:Myric|Myric]] ([[User talk:Myric|talk]]) 15:14, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Survivability? Cats, especially when partially domesticated, have extremely adaptable, and healthy cats, except for a few breeds, hunt as well as "wild" wildcats. [[User:Editor abcdef|Editor abcdef]] ([[User talk:Editor abcdef|talk]]) 10:59, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

== Upper case vs. lower case ==
Suggestion: rather than reverting each others' edits repeatedly, a discussion here on the talk page would be a better choice. [[User:Mmm|Mmm]] ([[User talk:Mmm|talk]]) 20:43, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:The discussion is on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mammals]]. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 20:51, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::See also [[Talk:Bobcat#Capitalization_again]]. [[User:Beyazid|Beyazid]] ([[User talk:Beyazid|talk]]) 17:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

== Self-domesticating ==
I read the reference, and it says nothing about "self-domesticating", as well it should not. Let's take the 9500 years ago figure for domestication of felids as a given.  Imagine yourself back then living on a farm or ranch in the Near East, working to provide for your family and your community.  There are desert cats all around, and they find it beneficial to move into your barn where the rats live.  You are an animal husbantry expert, and you have children that you know would love a kitten. So instead of you, the wildlife expert of your era, trapping and domesticating a desert cat, the cat domesticates ''you''. Come on, "self-domesticating"? Would someone please provide a more authoritative link?  Either that, or rid this article of this intellectual BS??  Have a great day!!![[User:Jarhed|Jarhed]] ([[User talk:Jarhed|talk]]) 03:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
:You should check out Scientific American [June 2009].  It has an excellent article about the evolution of the domestic cat. It pretty much explains why humans had little to do with their domestication and also why cats are still cats and were never bred into something else (e.g. Pekinese vs wolf).  It seems cats found an easy way to get three squares a day and a roof over their heads without having to work for it.  It's nice to think that humans have the cats under control but Douglas Adams words might be considered "The fact that once again man completely misinterpreted this relationship was entirely according to these creatures' plans." [[User:NSapollo|NSapollo]] ([[User talk:NSapollo|talk]]) 18:06, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::''Of the 2 following unsigned contribs, 
:::#'' the earlier stood for about 40 months (in which extensive substantive discussion of various topics drew edits to the page), was not (auto- or otherwise) signed until this edit by me, and was a bit less on-topic than the end of the July 2009 contrib just above it. IMO, it was not sufficiently off-topic to justify removal (and it is reasonable to construe a durable, if tacit, consensus that it could stand); 
:::#'' the later one (placed below the earlier) 
:::::'' * stood for less than a month (in which talk-page activity involved only anon vandalism, auto-signing, and reversions of those),<br /><!-- 
 --> * was at best cryptic as to its relevance, mentioning [[toxoplasmosis]] -- a disease primarily of felids but transmissible to humans via felid feces -- but failing to make clear the supposed chain of causation, and<br /><!-- 
 --> * compounded the impression of incoherence by being left to offer the impression that the light (if potentially valuable) servant/master point was a single discussant's preliminary to the second point, about toxoplasmosis.<br />
:::'' Both contribs were removed at 02:12, 6 January 2012‎ by a clearly well-meaning colleague who likely thot they were a single, recent [[WP:BJAODN|BJAODN]]. I see every reason to believe the removing colleague was the victim of a series of preceding sub-optimum edits and lack of timely corrections, and if i am mistaken, i argue that my restoration at worst makes feasible adequate consideration of what turns out to be a non-trivial decision on removal of discussion.<br />--[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]]•[[User talk:Jerzy|t]] 08:59, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
:And as they say, "Dogs have masters.  Cats have servants".<br /><span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/212.50.177.101|212.50.177.101]] ([[User talk:212.50.177.101|talk]]) 08:22, 22 September 2009‎ </span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP2 --><!-- Manually retrofitted uns by --Jerzy•t; 09:-ish, 29 May 2012 -->
: This discussion completely ignores the role of toxoplasmosis in domesticating humans.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.71.2.189|64.71.2.189]] ([[User talk:64.71.2.189|talk]]) 23:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== Asserting only 5 subspecies is questionable ==

The claim that there are only 5 subspecies is a questionable one that does not appear to be supported by the cited reference. This reference only lists the 5 subspecies from which the samples of the wild population were drawn for comparison to the domestic cat and does not appear to make any direct claims about other populations.

Other articles refer to 5 clades to which all populations belong and identify these as covering the same geographical areas as the subspecies referred to in this article. I suggest that the author has erred in assuming that these clades are represented by a single subspecies.

Until such time as as each population is identified as belonging to a definite subspecies I suggest that that they be listed as putative subspecies.--[[User:Daffodillman|Daffodillman]] ([[User talk:Daffodillman|talk]]) 12:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

==National Cancer Institute==

Why would the [[National Cancer Institute]] do a study on cats? Seems like vandalism to me.--[[User:Shanoman|Shanoman]] ([[User talk:Shanoman|talk]]) 21:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:They do studies on animals, as diseases in other animals can be used as a model for human disease.  Here is the website for the project in case you are interested [http://home.ncifcrf.gov/ccr/lgd/comparative_genome/catgenome/index_n.asp]. [[User:Calathan|Calathan]] ([[User talk:Calathan|talk]]) 20:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== Species list contradiction ==

should we update this article to reflect the consensus in [[Felidae]]/[[Felinae]], i.e., with the [[domestic cat]] as ''Felis catus'' instead of ''F. sylvestris catus'', and the [[Chinese mountain cat]] as ''Felis bieti'' instead of ''F. s. bieti''? i know that, despite genetic evidence of their close relation, these are separated out due to cladistic concerns. what say ye? '''[[User:Metanoid|Μετανοιδ ]]''' ([[User talk:Metanoid|talk]], [[Special:Emailuser/Metanoid|email]]) 17:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:What are the current thoughts from science? I know that we had originally set things up to be consistent with [[MSW3]]. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 04:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
all i was concerned about was reflecting scientific consensus, i guess. it's just, from a genetic point of view, ''F. bieti'' falls squarely into the [[Wildcat]] clade. but then, what to do with the [[Domestic cat]], which descends directly from the [[African Wildcat]]? the present article isn't inaccurate, per se, it's just out of agreement with MSW3/[[Felida]]/[[Felinae]] et al. '''[[User:Metanoid|Μετανοιδ ]]''' ([[User talk:Metanoid|talk]], [[Special:Emailuser/Metanoid|email]]) 16:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

=== Taxon name for (western) house cat ===
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Refs are given for both the names ''Felis catus'' and ''Felis silvestris catus'', but not for what is implied, that there is one taxon (whether species or sub-species). <br /><!-- 
 -->&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(In fact, the cladistic discussion suggests to me that the two names actually reflect f. catus being a mis-conceived [non-]taxon, since western house cats and f.lyb. are more closely related to each other than either is to the Tibetan domesticated cats.) <br /><!-- 
 -->&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My impression (contrary i guess to Metanoid's) is that we need 
# separate articles on 
## f.sylv., and 
## the largest taxon that includes Tibetan house cats and excludes f.sylv., 
# an article [[Cat]] discussing the practice and/or phenomenon of domestication of felids, and any behavior differences between those two taxa.
It sounds as if a significant aspect has been botched, by leaving some serious bio-science to ignoramuses twd the same end of the scale that i live near.<br />--[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]]•[[User talk:Jerzy|t]] 09:35, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br />

:For what it's worth, ''Handbook of the Mammals of the World'' volume 1 (Wilson & Mittermeier 2009) supports the claim that domestic cats are a distinct taxon, adding that recent phylogenetic analysis suggests that ''F. s. catus'' is the "sister group" to ''F. s. libyca''. That's only one source, and it's not immediately clear to me what primary research they are referring to, but it is, nonetheless a source. On the other hand, Driscoll ''et al.'' 2007 (cited in the article) implies that ''F. s. catus'' is paraphyletic within a monophyletic Near Eastern wildcat/domestic cat clade. It seems, from an internet search, that ''F. catus'' is still in wide use, however, even within the technical literature, although ''F. s. catus'' is also common. It may be worth noting that, even if domestic cats are rejected as a taxonomic unit (which they don't seem to be), the correct name for the ''lybica''/''catus'' clade would still be ''F. s. catus'', since that has taxonomic priority. [[User:Anaxial|Anaxial]] ([[User talk:Anaxial|talk]]) 10:39, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

== Removal of Heptner page numbers ==

I must say, I am puzzled by the sudden modification of the "Mammals of the Soviet Union" source. I can honestly say I do not see any point or improvement in such a move for the following reasons:

# The previous one included page numbers.
# The previous one included a link to an online version which, combined with the page numbers, could be instantly verifiable.
# Seeing as a large chunk of this article stems from "Mammals...", I find it odd that such a source should be removed from the bibliography and simply lumped into the same category as the secondary sources.

I was tempted to just revert everything (on this specific topic), but I thought I'd hear the editors out first. Cheers. [[User:Mariomassone|Mariomassone]] ([[User talk:Mariomassone|talk]]) 19:12, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

:I can't see the reason for it myself either, and note that page numbers have been removed from a number of other sources as well. This all strikes me as somewhat counter-productive, although I'm sure it's being done in good faith. Hopefully the editor concerned can explain his reasoning, and we can come to a consensus. [[User:Anaxial|Anaxial]] ([[User talk:Anaxial|talk]]) 20:12, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

::Dear both: first of all, I was impressed by the wealth of info added to this article since beginning of May!<br />
I highly appreciate ''Mammals of the Soviet Union''. You may have noticed that I have used this valuable source in other cat-related articles as well. So I trust that those wikipedia authors who use this source, cite the info correctly. The more so as citing from this source is more tedious and time consuming than just copying text from "second-hand" sources such as journalistic articles and websites. Note that I did not delete the link to the online version, but merely changed it to the chapter about wildcats, i.e. to page 398. <br />
Just like you, I prefer using "first-hand" sources. At the same time, I find the method of citing specific page numbers more complicated than using the "ref name=/" tag throughout an article; whereas the first requires grappling with the template beforehand (and thus is an obstacle), the latter tag can easily be used again by other authors who are not familiar with this template. So I did certainly not intend to be counter-productive, but to facilitate using this source. -- [[User:BhagyaMani|BhagyaMani]] ([[User talk:BhagyaMani|talk]]) 12:42, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

:::First off, thank you for your timely and civil reply. That the edits were done in good faith is now above doubt. However, I'm afraid the logic behind the changes still doesn't convince me, as it seems to have been undertaken primarily for the benefit of inexperienced users unfamiliar with more advanced citation methods.</br>At the risk of sounding calous to the more inexperienced users, their ignorance is ''their own'' problem. The fact of the matter remains that the original citation method, heavy as it was, could be verified at a keystroke, whereas now, curious readers have to make do with browsing the entire book. Surely this in itself is far more time consuming and inconvenient than knowing the exact page number beforehand? I shall await further response from other parties before making any decisions. [[User:Mariomassone|Mariomassone]] ([[User talk:Mariomassone|talk]]) 18:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I use <nowiki><ref name></nowiki> tags myself for most citations, so I certainly wouldn't blame someone for doing that. The alternative method is more complicated to implement, but, in this case, the hard work had already been done by someone else, so I can't really see the grounds for undoing all their effort. Doubly so when the result, albeit easier from the coding perspective, makes it more difficult for those reading and seeking to verify the article. Sure, I wouldn't insist that someone use this method for citing sources in a new article, because I wouldn't do it myself, but when it's already there, why undo it? I also note that [[WP:CITEVAR]] says "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference" and that editors should avoid "removing citation templates from an article that uses them consistently." It seems to me that these two clauses apply here, at least absent an expressed consensus to the contrary. [[User:Anaxial|Anaxial]] ([[User talk:Anaxial|talk]]) 19:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

== Communication ==
Does the communication table just seem plain outlandish to anyone else?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/174.57.94.61|174.57.94.61]] ([[User talk:174.57.94.61|talk]]) 22:54, 9 June 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, the table in [[{{BASEPAGENAME}}#Communication]]. Not to me. Maybe to ''no one'' else -- but 3 weeks is but a moment in the eye of [[Linus's Law|Many Eyes]].<br />--[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]]•[[User talk:Jerzy|t]] 01:46, 29 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
::It seems rather silly and ''Cat-Fancyish'' to me.  It also seems excessively subjective, depending as it largely does on one writer's descriptions and interpretations.  Do we have corresponding sections about the noises and bodily gestures that, say, goats, otters, or iguanas make?  I have tagged the section with a "One Source" template.  If wildcat communication has been reliably studied, as, e.g., wolf communication apparently has, perhaps somebody will add some depth by citing other sources.  [[User:Jdcrutch|<tt>''J.&nbsp;D.&nbsp;Crutchfield''</tt>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jdcrutch|Talk]] 20:29, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

== Pre-anal vs. preanal ==

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;None of my dicts have either spelling. (That would usually mean "all 3", but just for laughs i included [[Dorland's]] this time; yup, looks like you would need a ''veterinary'' dict: the word is not needed to describe my or your anatomy.<br /><!-- 
 -->&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wiktionary recognizes both spellings, but at a glance, looks to me like the hyphenated one was an afterthot. Google test is way off-scale numerically for the hyphen, but the first ten hits searching for either are in the same ballpark for each, so that may be a search-spec [[Artifact (error)|artifact]]. Among WP titles, there are only a singular and plural Rdr each for [[Pre-anal sucker]]; internal search gives only some lower bounds on "pre-anal" but "Results 1–69 of 69 for Preanal" actually includes both spellings, which at a glance suggest the no-hyphen version predominates somewhat in our articles.<br /><!-- 
 -->&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I regard "pre-anal" as far more suitable for WP:
# Everything that anyone understands from "preanal" will also be understood from "pre-anal", while preanal will sometimes (often?) be read as 2 syllables ''preen'l'', and for some may get tangled up with "[[pineal]]".
# The evident rarity of the word in dictionaries suggests it deserves some kind of special-case treatment. It's not directly comparable to [[epicene]] for several reasons, but nevertheless, know that it's an article that started out as a dict def 3.5 years after WP's start, and is now clearly an article whose topic is the word. Does ''preanal'' present a similar case? Well, i asked my language informant, "What about ''epicene'' as another example of an obscure but valuable word?" Informant: "'Effeminate', right?" Me: "I ''think'' so." ''M-W Collegiate'': That's the ''second'' general-purpose (non-technical) sense; the first is "having characteristics of both sexes". (Extra credit: i think there was at least one more sense even beyond a ''grammatical'' one, what fun!)
Anyway, for now i'm using the hyphen for clarity on the part of users, and not trying to start for that purpose a word article, nor a [[preanal anatomies]] or [[preanal gland]] one (which i'd bet somebody smart could write, covering in part why [[secretion]] of scents occurs in proximity to organs of [[excretion]]).<br />--[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]]•[[User talk:Jerzy|t]] 00:46, 29 June 2012 (UTC)<br />

== Body length ==

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;At [[{{BASEPAGENAME}}#Build]], in the second sent, we have
: The tail is long, and usually slightly exceeds one-half of the animal's body length.
My impulse is to read "body length" as "tip of nose to tip of tail", but i'm not confident that the as-yet-unidentified editor meant than, and i am ''sure'' some readers will take it to mean "base of neck to base of tail" -- which i would describe as the "trunk" of a human, tho i do not know without research whether, shall we say, an elephant has two trunks or, instead, most quadrupeds have none, and tho i am sure some people would write "all their extremities were ripped from their body". We should get clear whether tail length is 50-some % of total length, or more like, say, 29% (leaving, say, 57% for collar-to-anus, and 14% for head and neck). Then we should say it in a way that leaves no doubt in the minds of the hurried or young what we ''mean'' by what we (so far) call "body length".<br /><!-- 
 -->&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was about to tag {{tl|vague}} because of that, but i see that the stats later in the section are likely to suffice to clarify the intent. That clarifying calc should be done (along w/ more research if the result is ambiguous), and clearer wording chosen on that basis, so that users need not do the numbers to learn what we mean by our current "body length" wording. (And a prudent editor will probably display their reasoning in this talk section.) <br />--[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]]•[[User talk:Jerzy|t]] 02:56, 29 June 2012 (UTC)<br />

== The cool norths ==
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;OK, i came to the accompanying article bcz a recent edit dropped a preposition in adding info, but among other things, i found that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wildcat&curid=269357&diff=499439359&oldid=498664997 the same edit] may have butchered the syntax. The relevant phrase 
: in areas of Europe and Middle Asia.
became
: in cool, Northern areas of Europe such as [[Scotland]] or [[Scandinavia]] and areas of Middle Asia such as [[Mongolia]], [[Manchuria]] and [[Siberia]].
The degree of parallelism suggests (as IMO geography does) the intention for "cool, Northern" to modify both "areas of Europe ..." and areas of Middle Asia ...", but the repetition of "areas" (if not inconsistent with that intention) at least creates subliminal confusion:
It asks (probably demands) to be read 
:: in 
:::: cool, Northern areas of Europe ...
::: and 
:::: [nondescript] areas of Middle Asia ....
but one suspects the editor was trying for something in the same direction as
:: in cool, Northern areas of 
:::: Europe ...
::: and 
:::: <s>areas of</s> Middle Asia .... 
or 
:: in cool, Northern areas 
:::: of Europe ...
::: and 
:::: <s>areas</s> of Middle Asia .... 
I'm editing with that assumption, tho the colleague, who will know his intentions better than i can, may find reason to undo my next edit (and perhaps show us something i've failed to spot about their intentions).<br />--[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]]•[[User talk:Jerzy|t]] 05:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, kept my attention on syntax above, ignoring the erroneous upcasing of "northern" which i fixed in the article. And then i carelessly referred to "The cool norths", in titling this section, yet may have been implying "the North of Asia and the North of Europe"; hmm, i may need to consult a reference to straighten out my reasoning.[blush]<br />--[[User:Jerzy|Jerzy]]•[[User talk:Jerzy|t]] 06:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC)<br />

==Indigenous names==
Why do we have a long list of indigenous names for this animal? I don't see anything similar on most other articles, and it doesn't appear to be conveying any encyclopaedic (rather than dictionary) information. If it said something like "the name in language X means 'little tiger' and reflects belief Y about the animal", than that would be useful, but all we have now is effectively an ever-growing list of trivia. What's the point of it? [[User:Anaxial|Anaxial]] ([[User talk:Anaxial|talk]]) 21:10, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

:I agree that the list of "indigenous names" is trivial and pointless, not to mention its being of doubtful accuracy and virtually impossible for any one editor to check.  I have accordingly deleted it.  [[User:Jdcrutch|<tt>''J.&nbsp;D.&nbsp;Crutchfield''</tt>]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jdcrutch|Talk]] 19:16, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

== Names ==

I am German. Wilde Katze not means wildcat. It's only a description for cats which, lives in the wild (domestic cats, which lives in the wild or wildcats, tigers, lions, ...). It's the same with Graue Katze, what means a cat, which is grey, (can be a feral cat, a wildcat, a Palla's cat, ...). Baumritter is only poetic.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.187.106.137|80.187.106.137]] ([[User talk:80.187.106.137|talk]]) 10:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Domestic cats ==


Should the domestic cat be added in the subspecies section of the page, or at least include a mention of the domestication of ''felis silvestris lybica'' in the subspecies section? The domestic cat is sometimes referred to as ''felis silvestris catus'', and several other languages of Wikipedia do include a mention on the Wildcat page. --[[User:Schvass|Schvass]] ([[User talk:Schvass|talk]]) 01:14, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

== European wildcat photo. ==

The photograph of the European wildcat used in this article's info box http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat#mediaviewer/File:Felis_silvestris_silvestris_Luc_Viatour.jpg is excellent. Has it ever been nominated as a featured photograph? If not, it should be. Thank you, [[User:Wordreader|Wordreader]] ([[User talk:Wordreader|talk]]) 22:24, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
* Yes, it is a featured photograph, and was also Picture of the Day for 14th August this year, and a nominee for Picture of the Year in 2013. [[User:Anaxial|Anaxial]] ([[User talk:Anaxial|talk]]) 22:57, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

::Good! And thank you, [[User:Wordreader|Wordreader]] ([[User talk:Wordreader|talk]]) 01:16, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

== The hiss. ==

Under '''Communication''', the "hiss" is included in the list of sounds produced by these animals, but it's meaning isn't given. I know what it means when my domestic short hairs hiss - 'warning! extreme defensive or offensive action is imminent and claws will be involved!' - but does it mean the same with these guys? (The image is a good addition and captures the action well.) Thank you, [[User:Wordreader|Wordreader]] ([[User talk:Wordreader|talk]]) 01:15, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

== Subspecies ==

Should we use Mammal Species of the World, which uses old sources, or a recent up to date phylogeographical analysis by IUCN, in my opinion the latter is by far more reliable than the former, and should ''catus'' be listed as a subspecies? As ''lybica'' is closer to ''catus'' than to other subspecies, which means if ''catus'' isn't a wildcat, ''lybica'' isn't. [[User:Editor abcdef|Editor abcdef]] ([[User talk:Editor abcdef|talk]]) 12:00, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

:Use newer sources, of equal or better weight, of course. We have a problem, however, that the modern reclassifications (mostly by way of merger) are controversial. We can't simply delete the info that's already present, since people are going to come here asking "what is ''F. s. grampia''?", etc.  The solution is going to be to group the old-system names into clusters under the new-system ones.<!--

--><p>But taxonomic names mostly have worked – historically anyway – on a basis of precedent, not what is "more wild", or what the genetically parent population is.  This is why so many in the field want to make the species name ''catus'', as the senior synonym.  But zoologists don't seem to be as hard-core about that as botanists, so there's a lot of push-back from others who want the naming system to better reflect relationships between populations.  Unless something just changed when I wasn't looking, the European wildcat is ''F. s. silvestris'', and the African is ''F. s. lybica'', with the domestic being ''F. s. catus'', and known to descend primarily from ''F. s. lybica''.  There are always arguments that the domestic could just be classified as a non-subspecies clade within ''F. s. lybica'' (which re-opens the synonym seniority question again). Some alleged subspecies like ''F. s. grampia'' for the Scottish population were merged back into ''F. s. silvestris'', and so on.</p><!--

--><p>In the much longer term, "post-modern taxonomy" will be mostly about haplogroups, and these subspecies names won't matter much. I think this may be the undoing of lot of fine but arbitrary, confusing, and less-and-less-supportable infraspecific classifications in botany, eventually, as well, since so many of them are based on non-genetic description.  Anyway, however ''F. s. catus'' is classified today and tomorrow won't have any impact on whether ''F. s. lybica'', as presently defined (the African wildcat) "is a wildcat".<br /><span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 07:02, 3 April 2016 (UTC)</p>

==TheFeralCat==
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i removed that the pythons eat adults because they would hear them coming and can run away in time, or kill the python. Just changed "and other predators" to "animals" because foxes can be heard by them, foxes are scared of them, they are faster than foxes, they can climb trees to escape, they can chase foxes away, and even domestic cats will almost always win in a fight with one. Adults have no predators. They can hear a dog sneaking, are faster than dogs, can climb trees and can defend themselves, if dogs do manage to kill them they leave them, without eating them; therefore not a predator. i just want to make it clear that adults have no predators. Now i have discovered this my autism causes me to not let it go... sorry. 
[[Special:Contributions/109.159.114.22|109.159.114.22]] ([[User talk:109.159.114.22|talk]]) 16:38, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

;"predatation"
Hi, my ban for nothing has been lifted, so I am going to show you what is wrong with your section on predatation:
''Because of its habit of living in areas with rocks and tall trees for refuge, dense thickets and abandoned burrows, wildcats have few natural predators. In Central Europe, many kittens are killed by pine martens, and there is at least one account of an adult wildcat being killed and eaten.[63] In the steppe regions of Europe and Asia, village dogs constitute serious enemies of wildcats. In Tajikistan, wolves are their most serious enemies, having been observed to destroy cat burrows. Birds of prey, including eagle-owls, and saker falcons, have been known to kill wildcat kittens.[64] Seton Gordon recorded an instance whereby a wildcat fought a golden eagle, resulting in the deaths of both combatants.[65] In Africa, wildcats are occasionally eaten by pythons.[66] Competitors of the wildcat include the jungle cat, golden jackal, red fox, marten, and other predators. Although the wildcat and the jungle cat occupy the same ecological niche, the two rarely encounter one another, on account of different habitat preferences: jungle cats mainly reside in lowland areas, while wildcats prefer higher elevations in beech forests.[63]'' 
Ok. Let's start with the first bit. ''wildcats have few natural predators.'' Actually, that's ''no'' natural predators, it should be ''adult wildcats have no natural predators.''. ''there is least one account of an adult being killed and eaten.'' I don't think this is right. It was probably fighting it, but it didn't ''mean'' to kill the cat or the adult was unhealthy, dying, or very old/weak. So they're not predators. ''Or'' a scavenger came along and ate some. ''dogs constitute serious enemies of wildcats.''.... ''But'' they don't ''eat'' them. Just kill them rarely. ''Very'' rarely. Like if a deaf one is sleeping, and one of those dogs that actually kills cats attacks it. But they don't ''eat'' them. Not predators. ''wolves are their most serious enemies'' That doesn't exactly say what they do. They might catch a rogue kitten, or dig up the burrows, but they can't catch the adults. ''wildcats are occasionally eaten by pythons'' Umm, no. ''Pythons'' or occasionally eaten by ''wildcats''. The ''kittens'' are occasionally eaten by pythons, when there's no adults around. Then it says ''competitors of the wildcat'' then at the end of the list, ''and other predators.'', but competitors aren't the same as predators. Let's look at the list: Jungle cat, golden jackal, red fox, marten. Jungle cats are not predators. Cats don't eat each other. Jackals can't catch them, climb trees, run as fast, and they don't have claws ''and'' very sharp teeth. Ok, don't get me even ''started'' on why foxes never eat cats. First of all: Foxes are scared of ''domestic'' cats most of the time, so ''wildcats'' will terrify them. Domestic cats chase foxes a lot if they don't leave. Foxes don't attack cats, ''cats'' attack ''them''. It's a ''true'' fact that cats almost always beat them in a fight, so wildcats will have no problem. Cats fight with claws and sharp teeth, but foxes just bite with their teeth, and the cat dodges that. If the cat thinks it won't win, it won't fight, but will climb a tree instead, or run because cats are faster. Martens i've explained: it killed a wildcat ''once'', and I've explained how too. It's no predator. So yeah! I've just spent ''ages'' explaining this, and I hope I've not wasted my time. Please correct the errors by what i've said, and I will never bother you again. [[User:TheFeralCat|TheFeralCat]] ([[User talk:TheFeralCat|talk]]) 16:07, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

:If you're trying to make wildcats look invincible, at least provide a reliable source. Otherwise it falls under original research. [[User:Editor abcdef|Editor abcdef]] ([[User talk:Editor abcdef|talk]]) 08:16, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Ok, check these out. The fox thing: http://www.bbcwildlife.org.uk/node/3031 It says on other websites, but i found this on the pythons: https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20151016091405AAjLkJA More on foxes, I found some cats eat foxes: http://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/education/upload/Who%20eats%20who%20chart.pdf And if i missed an animal, tell me. [[User:TheFeralCat|TheFeralCat]] ([[User talk:TheFeralCat|talk]]) 16:32, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
:The article says that red foxes (and other predators) are competitors of wildcats, but it quite clearly does not say that they are predatory upon them. The article you cite supports this claim, rather than refuting it, so I don't see its relevance. You appear to be arguing against a claim that the article doesn't actually make. [[User:Anaxial|Anaxial]] ([[User talk:Anaxial|talk]]) 22:54, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

(<b>Note</b>: Editor has a cat in their bonnet about "dogs never eating cats", which has caused quite a bit of unnecessary work yet - see [[Talk:Iriomote cat#dogs]] and [[User_talk:TheFeralCat|their talk page]]. I suggest keeping that in mind before deciding how deeply to descend into likely unproductive discussions here.-- [[User:Elmidae|Elmidae]] ([[User talk:Elmidae|talk]]) 10:50, 17 October 2015 (UTC) )

;sorry, i accidentally messed up the bit about sounds at the bottom of the page, no idea how and how to fix it
i didn't mean to do it... i finally put in a ref like you said i should in the competitors bit, and i somehow messed it up and the sounds page. Sorry again. i don't know how to undo it. [[User:TheFeralCat|TheFeralCat]] ([[User talk:TheFeralCat|talk]]) 10:49, 28 October 2015 (UTC)</div>
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==Should European wildcat be merged into this article?==
The [[European wildcat]] article seems to substantially overlap with this one ([[Wildcat]]).  Both appear to be discussing the same subject.  Would it make sense to merge them? 
[[User:Parsonscat|The Parson's Cat]] ([[User_talk:Parsonscat|talk]]) 08:22, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

*I think [[European wildcat]] actually stands well on its own, focusing more on local conservation issues and subspecies distinction, but could do with quite a bit more linking to [[Wildcat]], to make sure the reader is aware that there's more and wider material there.-- [[User:Elmidae|<span style="font-family:Courier">Elmidae</span>]] <span style="font-family:Courier">([[User talk:Elmidae|talk]])</span> 08:31, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
*Keep it separate. If anything, it could eventually split further, since there is more and more information about the Scottish and the "giant" Iberian populations all the time, but very little else of note coming up about other populations.  Given the amount of verbiage we devote to domestic breeds, and to rather random populations of animals that are not actually very distinct, e.g. the [[Kiger mustang]], itself just a subtopic of [[mustang horse]], in turn a subtopic of the domestic [[horse]] and of [[feral horse]], we can afford to develop wild felid articles more, not mash them together and blur over natural and cultural distinctions. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 06:30, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
*I think the 2 should be linked, so that the user knows that there is more information at hand.[[Special:Contributions/50.159.100.251|50.159.100.251]] ([[User talk:50.159.100.251|talk]]) 23:24, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*The [[European wildcat]] itself is a strong site, and I don't we should mash it up. But we should add more links, and give a brief summary in the [[Wildcat]] page, it will have more people coming, and help gain more information and  [[European wildcat]], and [[Wildcat]]; will grow  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/50.159.100.251|50.159.100.251]] ([[User talk:50.159.100.251|talk]]) 23:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*It should definitely NOT be merged! The articles do not discuss the same subject. The person who suggested merging did apparently not understand this. Above argument -- info overlapping with article on wildcat -- speaks more for carving out the differences.  Since to date, no other contributor agreed to merging, I suggest to delete the "merge from" templates in both articles. [[User:BhagyaMani|BhagyaMani]] ([[User talk:BhagyaMani|talk]]) 09:20, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
:Agree.-- <span style="font-family:Courier">[[User:Elmidae|Elmidae]]</span> <small>([[User talk:Elmidae|talk]] · [[Special:contributions/Elmidae|contribs]])</small> 09:35, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
:Agree - it's perfectly appropriate to have separate articles for the species and the subspecies. In the same way, we presently have separate articles for [[chimpanzee]] and [[Western chimpanzee]]. [[Special:Contributions/86.20.106.10|86.20.106.10]] ([[User talk:86.20.106.10|talk]]) 10:24, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
*I also agree that there is no need to merge, and since it's been seven months, with six editors all saying the same thing and only one (the proposer) against, I have removed the Merge templates on the grounds that consensus has surely been reached. [[User:Anaxial|Anaxial]] ([[User talk:Anaxial|talk]]) 12:57, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

== Scottish Wildcat ==

The Scottish Wildcat is the object of conservation efforts in the British Isles, however, if not only in name, but in historical research there is much confusion. Not least whether there is any genuine difference between the wildcat in Scotland, and the European Wildcat. There also appears a desire to promote one view without scholarly references, instead relying on promotional (and so political in this context) material. There is a good case for the history of wild felines of all species in the British Isles, and could do with a fair write up. A useful properly referenced scholarly resource is this ; http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2008/04/21/european-cats-part-iii/ 
An example of a lobbyist brochure can be found here : http://www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/publications/naturallyscottish/wildcats.pdf (which among other problems confuses the history of Lynx with that of the European Wildcat).  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/176.153.196.167|176.153.196.167]] ([[User talk:176.153.196.167#top|talk]]) 20:23, 9 January 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== [[Toxoplasma gondii]] ==

The section [[Wildcat#Diseases and parasites]] does not mention the ''T. gondii''.  Now this parasite has been rather noted for causing [[toxoplasmosis]] in human and other animals, and the possibility to get it from the domestic cat is discussed now and then.  I therefore should find it interesting to know to what extent it is or is not present in wildcat populations.  Does anybody know if anything is known about this?  If it indeed has been found more than rather occasionally infecting wildcats, then I think this information should be added to this section. [[User:JoergenB|JoergenB]] ([[User talk:JoergenB|talk]]) 05:44, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

== Orphaned references in [[:Wildcat]] ==

I check pages listed in [[:Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting]] to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for [[User:AnomieBOT/docs/OrphanReferenceFixer|orphaned references]] in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of [[:Wildcat]]'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for ''this'' article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

<b>Reference named "MSW3":</b><ul>
<li>From [[Brown bear]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft | id =14000970 | pages = 588–589|heading = ''Ursus arctos''}}</li>
<li>From [[Striped polecat]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft | id=14001179 | heading=''Ictonyx striatus''}}</li>
<li>From [[Cheetah]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft |id=14000006 |pages=532-533}}</li>
<li>From [[Ictonyx]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft |id=14001173 |heading=Genus ''Ictonyx''}}</li>
<li>From [[Hyena]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft|pages=532–548}}</li>
<li>From [[Kinkajou]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14001650 | page = 626}}</li>
<li>From [[Hog badger]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft |id= 14001135}}</li>
<li>From [[Narrow-striped mongoose]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora| id = 14000465| page=561}}</li>
<li>From [[Monk seal]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14001050 | page = 598 | heading = Genus ''Monachus''}}</li>
<li>From [[Nasua]]: {{cite web|title=Mammal Species of the World|url=http://www.bucknell.edu/msw3/browse.asp?id=14001624|accessdate=2007-07-14|url-status=dead|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20080316054323/http://www.bucknell.edu/msw3/browse.asp?id=14001624|archivedate=2008-03-16|df=}}</li>
<li>From [[Jaguar]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14000240 | pages = 546–547}}</li>
<li>From [[Yellow-necked mouse]]: {{MSW3 Muroidea | id = 13001210 | page = 1265}}</li>
<li>From [[List of mammals of North America]]: * {{cite book | editor1-last = Wilson | editor1-first = D. E. | editor2-last = Reeder | editor2-first = D. M. |title = Mammal Species of the World | url = http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/biology/resources/msw3/ |edition = 3rd | publisher = Johns Hopkins University Press |isbn = 0-8018-8221-4 }}</li>
<li>From [[American badger]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14001508 | page = 619}}</li>
<li>From [[Black-footed cat]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft |id=14000054 |page=536}}</li>
<li>From [[Caracal]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora|id=14000014|page=533}}</li>
<li>From [[Felidae]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft|pages=532–548|id=14000003|heading=Felidae}}</li>
<li>From [[Polar bear]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora |id=14000987 |page=589}}</li>
<li>From [[Northern viscacha]]: {{MSW3 Hystricognathi | id = 13400136 | page = 1551}}</li>
<li>From [[Northern three-toed jerboa]]: {{MSW3 Dipodidae | id = 12900046 | page = 882}}</li>
<li>From [[List of mammals of Europe]]: {{MSW3 Chiroptera | id = 13802067 | pages = 474–475}}</li>
<li>From [[Leopardus]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft| pages = 537–540 | id = 14000080}}</li>
<li>From [[Tiger]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora |id=14000259 |page=546}}</li>
<li>From [[South American coati]]: {{MSW3 |id=14001630}}</li>
<li>From [[Pantanal cat]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft |pages=537–538 |id=14000081}}</li>
<li>From [[Jungle cat]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft |id=14000032 |page=535}}</li>
<li>From [[Eupleridae]]: {{cite book|last1=Wozencraft|first1=W.C.|year=2005|chapter=Order Carnivora| editor1-last=Wilson|editor1-first=D.E.|editor2-last=Reeder|editor2-first=D.M.|title=Mammal Species of the World|edition=3rd|publisher=Johns Hopkins University Press|pages=559–561|chapter-url=http://www.bucknell.edu/msw3/browse.asp?id=14000446 |isbn=978-0-8018-8221-0}}</li>
<li>From [[Ring-tailed mongoose]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14000455 | page = }}</li>
<li>From [[Crab-eating mongoose]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora|id=14000629|pages=569–70}}</li>
<li>From [[Catopuma]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft|pages=533-534}}</li>
<li>From [[Yellow mongoose]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14000508 | page = 564}}</li>
<li>From [[Cougar]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft |id = 14000204|pages=544–45}}</li>
<li>From [[Felinae]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft|pages = 532–545|id=14000004}}</li>
<li>From [[African golden wolf]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft | id=14000707}}</li>
<li>From [[Brown palm civet]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft |id=14000348 |pages=551 |heading=''Paradoxurus jerdoni''}}</li>
<li>From [[Sulawesi palm civet]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft | pages = 550 | id = 14000297}}</li>
<li>From [[Leopard]]: {{MSW3|id=14000250|page=547–548}}</li>
<li>From [[Edible dormouse]]: {{MSW3 Gliridae | id = 12500044 | page = 841}}</li>
<li>From [[Lesser grison]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14001155 | page = 606}}</li>
<li>From [[Jaguarundi]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft|id=14000211|page=545}}</li>
<li>From [[Serval]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora|id=14000132|page=540}}</li>
<li>From [[Meles (genus)]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14001275 | pages = 611–612}}</li>
<li>From [[Paradoxurus]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft | pages = 550–551 | id = 14000316}}</li>
<li>From [[European water vole]]: {{MSW3 Musser|id=13000176}}</li>
<li>From [[Ferret-badger]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14001306 | pages = 612–613}}</li>
<li>From [[Aonyx]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora| id = 14001077 | pages = 601–602 | heading = Genus ''Aonyx''}}</li>
<li>From [[Striped hyena]]: {{MSW3 | id=14000687 | heading = ''Hyaena hyaena''}}</li>
<li>From [[Fossa (animal)]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14000446 | pages = 559–561}}</li>
<li>From [[Lion]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora |id=14000228 |page=546 |heading=''Panthera leo''}}</li>
<li>From [[Coati]]: {{MSW3 |id=14001624|pages=625–626|heading = Genus ''Nasua''}}</li>
<li>From [[Eastern falanouc]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14000448 | page = }}</li>
<li>From [[Japanese badger]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14001276 | page = 611}}</li>
<li>From [[Dhole]]: {{MSW3 Wozencraft | id =14000793}}</li>
<li>From [[Bassaricyon]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14001596 | pages = }}</li>
<li>From [[White-nosed coati]]: {{MSW3 |id=14001625}}</li>
<li>From [[Javan ferret-badger]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id=14001316 | page=613}}</li>
<li>From [[Slender mongoose]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14000534 | pages = 565–566}}</li>
<li>From [[Patagonian weasel]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14001200 | page = 608}}</li>
<li>From [[African golden cat]]: {{MSW3|id=|page=533}}</li>
<li>From [[Lontra]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14001096 | pages = }}</li>
<li>From [[Galidictis]]: {{MSW3 | id = 14000459 | page ="Galidictis"}}</li>
<li>From [[Procyonidae]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14001595 | pages = }}</li>
<li>From [[Malagasy civet]]: {{MSW3 Carnivora | id = 14000452 | page = 560}}</li>
</ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. [[User:AnomieBOT|AnomieBOT]][[User talk:AnomieBOT|<span style="color:#880">⚡</span>]] 02:31, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

:Found and corrected the orphan. It was neither of above, but id=14000057. Although you are 'just a simple computer program', do you understand compliments? If not, pass them to your writer! -- [[User:BhagyaMani|BhagyaMani]] ([[User talk:BhagyaMani|talk]]) 09:53, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

== Typo in paraphyletic group ==

Maybe a small thing to nitpick, but "Binomial name" on the page is spelt as "bionomial," which is not a word. I might be overlooking something but I can't find any place to fix the error within editing. [[User:Wizardmeat|Wizardmeat]] ([[User talk:Wizardmeat|talk]]) 00:27, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

:Indeed. {{yo|jts1882}} Looks like there's a typo in {{tl|paraphyletic group}} or something deeper. It's beyond my knowledge of where to fix it, or I would. If you can show me how, I'd do it. :) - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 11:13, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
: '''Fixed'''. That error has been there for years. I can't believe I missed it. —&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Arial;background:#d6ffe6;border:solid 1px;border-radius:5px;box-shadow:darkcyan 0px 1px 1px;">&nbsp;[[User:Jts1882|Jts1882]]&nbsp;&#124;[[User talk:Jts1882|&nbsp;talk]]&nbsp;</span> 11:22, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
::No worries about missing it. Thanks for the fix! Much appreciated. [[User:Wizardmeat|Wizardmeat]] ([[User talk:Wizardmeat|talk]]) 18:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)