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==Food stealing habits==

If food is such that it can be easily carried away (e.g. a piece of bread), then jackdaw will take it from [[rock dove|pigeons]].&nbsp; This event is easily reproduced in any city where there are both pigeons and jackdaws.&nbsp; Throw a piece of bread to a pigeon when jackdaws are somewhere nearby (there should not be too many pigeons).&nbsp; The pigeon will peck the piece of bread on the ground.&nbsp; Then a jackdaw will come down, take the bread in the mouth and then fly away with it.

When feeding jackdaws, another phenomenon has been observed.&nbsp; Sometimes a [[House Sparrow|sparrow]] will carry away the piece of bread that a jackdaw intended to take itself.&nbsp; The jackdaw would then pursue the sparrow in the air.&nbsp; On one occasion, the sparrow hid itself under a parked car.&nbsp; On another occasion, the sparrow let the bread fall (perhaps because the piece was too big for a sparrow), and the jackdaw then took the bread to itself.

Sometimes jackdaws are contemplating taking food from [[Hooded Crow|crows]], although I never saw them to do it actually.&nbsp; It seems that jackdaws have no fear of crows. &mdash; [[User:Monedula|Monedula]] 12:34, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

==Popular Culture==

Shouldn't the jackdaw in Angela's Ashes by Frank McCourt be included in the list?  I thought it had very strong symbolism in the book.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.58.136.143|66.58.136.143]] ([[User talk:66.58.136.143|talk]]) 05:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Well, sure, but if you've read the book and know about the symbolism, then it'd be great if you added the information. Go for your life.[[User:WikiLambo|WikiLambo]] ([[User talk:WikiLambo|talk]]) 15:50, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

== African Genesis ==

In [[Robert Ardrey|Robert Ardrey's]] ''African Genesis'', he tells a Konrad Lorentz story about a particular flock of Jackdaws.  It was a great story about the complications that can arise in the dominance-hierarchy of a Jackdaw flock.  Would this be useful to anyone?  &nbsp;<small>[[User:Paine_Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue;"><b><sup>.`</sup></b>^)&nbsp;</span>Paine]][[User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth|<sup>diss`cuss</sup>&nbsp;<span style="color:darkblue;">(^<b><sup>`.</sup></b></span>]]</small>&nbsp; 15:28, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I've added a bit of fair-use material from [[Robert Ardrey|Robert Ardrey's]] ''African Genesis'', all properly sourced, to the "Social behavior" subsection of "Behavior".  Hope this helps.  &nbsp;<small>[[User:Paine_Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue;"><b><sup>.`</sup></b>^)&nbsp;</span>Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth]][[User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth|<sup>diss`cuss</sup>&nbsp;<span style="color:darkblue;">(^<b><sup>`.</sup></b></span>]]</small>&nbsp; 04:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

:Looks interesting, and really adds some colour to the article. thanks :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

:PS: It is a rather lengthy quote though I must say....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you, Casliber!  I thought about breaking it up a bit with some ad lib, but it ended up sounding too contrived.  And thank you also for the lesson on the reference thing.  I'm learnin'.  &nbsp;<small>[[User:Paine_Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue;"><b><sup>.`</sup></b>^)&nbsp;</span>Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth]][[User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth|<sup>diss`cuss</sup>&nbsp;<span style="color:darkblue;">(^<b><sup>`.</sup></b></span>]]</small>&nbsp; 15:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
{{od}}
The quoted text was removed with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jackdaw&action=historysubmit&diff=342771690&oldid=337390736 this edit].  I added it back in, slightly condensed, per the [[WP:PRESERVE]] policy, because "<span style="color:blue;">It is described by Lorenz in his book</span>" does not seem to be a good reason to remove article material.  Many articles contain text that is quoted from or described in other books, reports, etc.  So it seems to me that if we remove all the material that is described elsewhere, there would be little left to read in Wikipedia.  However, if editor [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowmanradio]] has more to say about this issue, I'm certainly willing to listen.<br>
&nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;Paine ([[User:Paine_Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:small; color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Ellsworth's</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">Climax</span>]])&nbsp; 18:19, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
*If an editor writes about a user on an article talk page, then I think it is reasonable to be informed with a message on the users talk page especially if there is a doubt that they may not be aware of the comment(s). I have not looked at this talk page for quite a while until today. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 21:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
*I think that the quote by Robert Ardrey from ''African Genesis'' is too long and can be substantially shortened and brought into the article as referenced text without needing a quotation.  It is said to be only slightly modified in the edit summary that returned it to the page, so I think that is highly likely to be a copyright-violation. If the text is now slightly modified, then presumably it is a misrepresentation to call it a quote. Also, is seems strange to quote a third party when the actual observations were by Lorenz who wrote about it so eloquently in his book. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 20:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

*The full title of one of the references is "African genesis: a personal investigation into the animal origins and nature ..." by [[Robert Ardrey]]. Is this personal investigation usable as a reference on the wiki? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 21:08, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

*Update: I have read a few small portions of the original book using the search box on this [http://books.google.com/books?id=9Yg1AAAAMAAJ&dq=%22Robert+Ardrey%22+%22African+Genesis%22&q=#search_anchor webpage], and there are some lines which are copied. I think that the whole quoted section is too close to the original and that it should be regarded as copyvio, so I have to follow the wiki guidelines and remove it immediately. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 21:44, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

:I have looked again, Paine, although it is nice, I do think it tends to go into too much detail for what it ends up having to say, and in general, a more succinct summary is better. Much like what Snowman [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jackdaw&action=historysubmit&diff=359520490&oldid=359519557 has just done] [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 21:54, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

*Fair use is a relevant sentence or two; see [[Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources]]. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 22:24, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
::Wow, 3.5 years here and I'd never seen that page before. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I just found that wiki guideline today, but I learnt a long time ago that a reasonable test is simply to put the original and another version side by side and ask if the two are sufficiently similar to indicate that one is a copy. The original version is written in a certain style. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 22:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
{{od}}
Hi ya'll.  I'm not all that concerned either way about the quote from [[Robert Ardrey|Ardrey's]] ''African Genesis''.  I used Ardrey's work because it was about evolution and his amazing trek to visit many scientists, including [[Konrad Lorenz|Lorenz]], to learn about the various traits of human beings, to include jackdaw-like social behavior to a certain extent.  I myself do not consider the quote to be too long since the article itself is not very long.  If it were an extensive article like [[India]], then yes, the quote might be considered too long.  As for copyvio, the law that applies here would be US copyright law, which allows for excerpts (and this story from Lorentz was but a short, brief excerpt from ''African Genesis''.  I thought the quote improved the article, and two other editors essentially agreed with me at first.  If you want to leave it out, then leave it out.<br> 
&nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;Paine ([[User:Paine_Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:small; color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Ellsworth's</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">Climax</span>]])&nbsp; 01:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:Paine, we don't want to leave it out, just summarise it a bit more is all. It was good stuff to put in, and a fascinating bird. cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 02:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

::No problemo.  I made a few minor fixes; hope you don't mind.  Belated apologies to Snowman for assuming you were watching the article more closely, and thank you for notifying me of this discussion. 
::&nbsp;&mdash; &nbsp;Paine ([[User:Paine_Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:small; color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Ellsworth's</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth|<span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">Climax</span>]])&nbsp; 07:51, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::* late to the party. This whole section looks iffy to me...its tone in non-encyclopedic, so much that it has a distinct odor of copyvio...bu I can't see the text; I'm blind (figuratively)...   And can anyone confirm the bit about mobbings and mercy killings...? &bull;&nbsp;[[User:Ling.Nut|Ling.Nut]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Ling.Nut|talk]]) 02:43, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== seeds  and  nuts ==

i've seen   jackdaws  out  the  back  eating   nuts   and  seeds out of   a  bird  feeder     by  eiher holding onto    the perch or     opening the lid. --[[Special:Contributions/83.70.111.220|83.70.111.220]] ([[User talk:83.70.111.220|talk]]) 13:33, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


==MYSTERIOUS DEATHS==

acording to the bbc 50 to 100 jackdaws died mysteriously in Falkoeping parallel to the death of thousands of birds in the US http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12118839
shouldnt this be mentioned?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/93.34.134.86|93.34.134.86]] ([[User talk:93.34.134.86|talk]]) 03:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Age ==

"Ages and sexes are alike" - I don't understand what this means. The Aging and Sexing pdf linked on the page shows differences between the birds at different ages. Also it's nowhere on the page how long they actually live, does anyone know? --[[Special:Contributions/78.27.11.2|78.27.11.2]] ([[User talk:78.27.11.2|talk]]) 18:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Collaboration nomination ==
===[[Jackdaw]] for July 2011===
''Nominated on 18 April 2011;''
# [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:27, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
# <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;">[[User:Jimfbleak|<span style="color:red;">Jimfbleak</span>]] - </b>[[User talk:Jimfbleak|<span style="font-family:arial; color:green;"> talk to me?</span>]] 19:14, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
# &mdash;[[User talk:Innotata|''innotata'']] 18:57, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Comments: 
* I've nominated this as I have material which can get it finished, but as I am in Australia I lack some familiarity with it so I'd appreciate some input. I see this as a low-maintenance alternative to [[parrot]], which might be quiet ambitious. I am also not sure of whether Kim and Snowman are keen to spend time improving parrot now, or whether we defer that for some time. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:27, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

== Translation ==

Re: [[:File:Borch CoA.png]]. This birds in this coat of arms have yellow beaks and do not look like Jackdaws. Has something been lost or gained during language translation? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 13:29, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

:I agree they look more like Alpine Choughs...something to look into. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:01, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
::Removed from page while being investigated. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 09:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

== Web of Science search ==

Typing in "Jackdaw" yielded 94 results: [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:04, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

1.	Title: What You See Is What You Get-Reloaded: Can Jackdaws (Corvus monedula) Find Hidden Food Through Exclusion? 
Author(s): Schloegl C
Source: JOURNAL OF COMPARATIVE PSYCHOLOGY   Volume: 125   Issue: 2   Pages: 162-174   Published: MAY 2011 
Times Cited: 0 
::{{done}} added. [[User:ncsjfreed|ncsjfreed]] ([[User talk:ncsjfreed|talk]] Ref# 63. --[[User:Ncsjfreed|Ncsjfreed]] ([[User talk:Ncsjfreed|talk]]) 04:54, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 
2.	Title: Predators and nest success of Sky Larks Alauda arvensis in large arable fields in the Czech Republic 
Author(s): Praus L, Weidinger K
Source: BIRD STUDY   Volume: 57   Issue: 4   Pages: 525-530   Published: 2010 
Times Cited: 0 

::{{done}} added. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 
3.	Title: Falconer activities as a bird dispersal tool at Deblin Airfield (E Poland) 
Author(s): Kitowski I, Grzywaczewski G, Cwiklak J, et al.
Source: TRANSPORTATION RESEARCH PART D-TRANSPORT AND ENVIRONMENT   Volume: 16   Issue: 1   Pages: 82-86   Published: JAN 2011 
Times Cited: 0 

::{{not done}} ''article about using falconers to scare away a variety of birds from airfields, and concludes another method should be utilised. Think we can skip this one'' [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:45, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 
4.	Title: Long-term spatio-temporal dynamics of corvids wintering in urban parks of Warsaw, Poland 
Author(s): Zmihorski M, Halba R, Mazgajski TD
Source: ORNIS FENNICA   Volume: 87   Issue: 2   Pages: 61-68   Published: 2010 
Times Cited: 1 

::{{done}} added. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:43, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 
5.	Title: JACKDAW controls epidermal patterning in the Arabidopsis root meristem through a non-cell-autonomous mechanism 
Author(s): Hassan H, Scheres B, Blilou I
Source: DEVELOPMENT   Volume: 137   Issue: 9   Pages: 1523-1529   Published: MAY 1 2010 
Times Cited: 3 

::{{not done}} unrelated. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 15:05, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 
6.	Title: Long-term study on interactions between Tawny Owls Strix aluco, Jackdaws Corvus monedula and Northern Goshawks Accipiter gentilis 
Author(s): Koning FJ, Koning HJ, Baeyens G
Conference Information: 4th World Owl Conference, OCT 31-NOV 04, 2007 Groningen, NETHERLANDS
Source: ARDEA   Volume: 97   Issue: 4   Special Issue: Sp. Iss. SI   Pages: 453-456   Published: 2009 
Times Cited: 0 

::{{done}} added. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 
7.	Title: Report on rare birds in Spain 2007 
Author(s): Dies JI, Lorenzo JA, Gutierrez R, et al.
Source: ARDEOLA   Volume: 56   Issue: 2   Pages: 309-344   Published: DEC 2009 
Times Cited: 0 

::{{done}} added.  [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 15:04, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 
8.	Title: KLEPTOPARASITISM AND TEMPORAL SEGREGATION OF SYMPATRIC CORVIDS FORAGING IN A REFUSE DUMP 
Author(s): Baglione V, Canestrari D
Source: AUK   Volume: 126   Issue: 3   Pages: 566-578   Published: JUL 2009 
Times Cited: 0 

::{{done}} added. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 14:42, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 
9.	Title: Yolk androgens and the development of avian immunity: an experiment in jackdaws (Corvus monedula) 
Author(s): Sandell MI, Tobler M, Hasselquist D
Source: JOURNAL OF EXPERIMENTAL BIOLOGY   Volume: 212   Issue: 6   Pages: 815-822   Published: MAR 15 2009 
Times Cited: 4 

::{{not done}} - [http://jeb.biologists.org/content/212/6/815.short this one] impresses as really specialised and beyond the interest of the lay-reader. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:54, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 
10.	Title: Functional morphology and integration of corvid skulls - a 3D geometric morphometric approach 
Author(s): Kulemeyer C, Asbahr K, Gunz P, et al.
Source: FRONTIERS IN ZOOLOGY   Volume: 6 Article Number: 2   Published: JAN 7 2009 
Times Cited: 4 

::{{done}} added [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 14:13, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 
11.	Title: Preferential learning from non-affiliated individuals in jackdaws (Corvus monedula) 
Author(s): Schwab C, Bugnyar T, Kotrschal K
Source: BEHAVIOURAL PROCESSES   Volume: 79   Issue: 3   Pages: 148-155   Published: NOV 2008 
Times Cited: 4 
 
12.	Title: Long-term population trends of corvids wintering in urban parks in central Poland 
Author(s): Mazgajski TD, Zmihorski M, Halba R, et al.
Source: POLISH JOURNAL OF ECOLOGY   Volume: 56   Issue: 3   Pages: 521-526   Published: 2008 
Times Cited: 1 

::{{done}} added. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 14:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 
13.	Title: Short-term observational spatial memory in Jackdaws (Corvus monedula) and Ravens (Corvus corax) 
Author(s): Scheid C, Bugnyar T
Source: ANIMAL COGNITION   Volume: 11   Issue: 4   Pages: 691-698   Published: OCT 2008 
Times Cited: 3 
 
14.	Title: Nest occupation and prey grabbing by saker falcon (Falco cherrug) on power lines in the Province of Vojvodina (Serbia) 
Author(s): Puzovic S
Source: ARCHIVES OF BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES   Volume: 60   Issue: 2   Pages: 271-277   Published: 2008 
Times Cited: 0 

::{{done}} added [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 14:23, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 
15.	Title: Variation in clutch size, egg size variability and reproductive output in the Desert Finch (Rhodospiza obsolera) 
Author(s): Yosef R, Zduniak P
Source: JOURNAL OF ARID ENVIRONMENTS   Volume: 72   Issue: 9   Pages: 1631-1635   Published: SEP 2008 
Times Cited: 1 
 
::{{not done}} unrelated [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:01, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

16.	Title: Variation in egg dimensions of the Tree Sparrow (Passer montanus L.) in north-western Croatia 
Author(s): Dolenec Z, Delic A, Kralj J, et al.
Source: POLISH JOURNAL OF ECOLOGY   Volume: 55   Issue: 4   Pages: 841-845   Published: 2007 
Times Cited: 2 

::{{not done}} unrelated [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:01, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
  
17.	Title: 'Return of the jackdaw' 
Author(s): Mathys T
Source: AMERICAN POETRY REVIEW   Volume: 37   Issue: 1   Pages: 29-29   Published: JAN-FEB 2008 
Times Cited: 0 

::{{not done}} nice poem but does not appear to be notable. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:01, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 
18.	Title: Arabidopsis JACKDAW and MAGPIE zinc finger proteins delimit asymmetric cell division and stabilize tissue boundaries by restricting SHORT-ROOT action 
Author(s): Welch D, Hassan H, Blilou I, et al.
Source: GENES & DEVELOPMENT   Volume: 21   Issue: 17   Pages: 2196-2204   Published: SEP 1 2007 
Times Cited: 31 

::{{not done}} unrelated [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:01, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 
19.	Title: The role of food- and object-sharing in the development of social bonds in juvenile jackdaws (Corvus monedula) 
Author(s): von Bayern AMP, de Kort SR, Clayton NS, et al.
Source: BEHAVIOUR   Volume: 144   Pages: 711-733   Part: Part 6   Published: JUN 2007 
Times Cited: 11 
::{{done}} was already added. Added additional relevant information [[User:ncsjfreed|ncsjfreed]]
 
20.	Title: Density and age of breeding pairs influence feral pigeon, Columba livia reproduction 
Author(s): Hetmanski T, Barkowska M
Source: FOLIA ZOOLOGICA   Volume: 56   Issue: 1   Pages: 71-83   Published: 2007 
Times Cited: 2 

::{{done}} added [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 14:54, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 
21.	Title: A mechanical model of wing and theoretical estimate of taper factor for three gliding birds 
Author(s): Zahedi MS, Khan MYA
Source: JOURNAL OF BIOSCIENCES   Volume: 32   Issue: 2   Pages: 351-361   Published: MAR 2007 
Times Cited: 1 

::{{not done}} - focusses on mathematics rather than the bird. Hard to get a layperson's angle on this one. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:55, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 
22.	Title: Cognitive adaptations of social bonding in birds 
Author(s): Emery NJ, Seed AM, von Bayern AMP, et al.
Source: PHILOSOPHICAL TRANSACTIONS OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY B-BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES   Volume: 362   Issue: 1480   Pages: 489-505   Published: APR 29 2007 
Times Cited: 52 

::{{done}} already added  [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:51, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
  
23.	Title: Ultrastructural study of liver cells from rooks living in ecologically unfavorable areas 
Author(s): Kalashnikova AM, Fadeeva EO
Source: BIOLOGY BULLETIN   Volume: 33   Issue: 2   Pages: 99-106   Published: MAR-APR 2006 
Times Cited: 0 

::{{not done}} - jackdaw mentioned as it is used as control only. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:55, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 
24.	Title: Characterization of two novel polyomaviruses of birds by using multiply primed rolling-circle amplification of their genomes 
Author(s): Johne R, Wittig W, Fernandez-de-Luco D, et al.
Source: JOURNAL OF VIROLOGY   Volume: 80   Issue: 7   Pages: 3523-3531   Published: APR 2006 
Times Cited: 24 

::{{done}} added [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 14:07, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 
25.	Title: First record of Eurasian Jackdaw (Corvus monedula) parasitism by the Great Spotted Cuckoo (Clamator glandarius) in Israel 
Author(s): Charter M, Bouskila A, Aviel S, et al.
Source: WILSON BULLETIN   Volume: 117   Issue: 2   Pages: 201-204   Published: JUN 2005 
Times Cited: 0 

::{{done}} added. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:06, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 
26.	Title: Evaluating the Breeding Bird Survey for producing national population size and density estimates 
Author(s): Newson SE, Woodburn RJW, Noble DG, et al.
Source: BIRD STUDY   Volume: 52   Pages: 42-54   Part: Part 1   Published: MAR 2005 
Times Cited: 28 

::{{done}} added. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:49, 17 February 2012 (UTC) 
 
27.	Title: The potential role of wildlife in the epidemiology of paratuberculosis in domestic animals 
Author(s): Greig A, Beard PM, Daniels MJ, et al.
Conference Information: 7th International Colloquium on Paratuberculosis, JUN 12-14, 2002 Bilbao, SPAIN
Source: PROCEEDINGS OF THE SEVENTH INTERNATIONAL COLLOQUIUM ON PARATUBERCULOSIS   Pages: 358-360   Published: 2003 
Times Cited: 1 

::{{not done}} - ''the finding suggests the paratuberculosis organism passed through the digestive tract of the bird only, as it did for some other birds. Mentioning it in a brief summary might be misleading, so best reserved for a relevant microbiology article.'' [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:10, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 
28.	Title: Can intraspecific brood parasitism be detected using egg morphology only? 
Author(s): Adahl E, Lindstrom J, Ruxton GD, et al.
Source: JOURNAL OF AVIAN BIOLOGY   Volume: 35   Issue: 4   Pages: 360-364   Published: JUL 2004 
Times Cited: 11 

::{{not done}} ''negative finding, and main thrust of article is assessment.'' [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:14, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 
29.	Title: Evidence for declines in populations of grassland-associated birds in marginal upland areas of Britain 
Author(s): Henderson IG, Fuller RJ, Conway GJ, et al.
Source: BIRD STUDY   Volume: 51   Pages: 12-19   Part: Part 1   Published: MAR 2004 
Times Cited: 17 

::{{done}} ''added'' [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:48, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 
30.	Title: Nest predators affect spatial dynamics of breeding red-backed shrikes (Lanius collurio) 
Author(s): Roos S, Part T
Source: JOURNAL OF ANIMAL ECOLOGY   Volume: 73   Issue: 1   Pages: 117-127   Published: JAN 2004 
Times Cited: 30 

::{{not done}} ''negative finding WRT Jackdaws, mainly  red-backed shrikes playing cat-and-mouse with nesting sites with the larger corvids. Interesting study though.'' [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:53, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 
31.	Title: Sex-specific hatching order, growth rates and fledging success in jackdaws Corvus monedula 
Author(s): Arnold KE, Griffiths R
Source: JOURNAL OF AVIAN BIOLOGY   Volume: 34   Issue: 3   Pages: 275-281   Published: SEP 2003 
Times Cited: 21 
 
32.	Title: Genetic and behavioural analysis in three typical colonies of Jackdaws (Corvus monedula) 
Author(s): Fulgione D, Rippa D, De Luca A, et al.
Source: ETHOLOGY ECOLOGY & EVOLUTION   Volume: 15   Issue: 2   Pages: 183-189   Published: JUL 2003 
Times Cited: 1 
 
33.	Title: The effect of corvid shooting on the populations of owls, kestrels and cuckoos in Cyprus, with notes on corvid diet 
Author(s): Hadjisterkotis E
Source: ZEITSCHRIFT FUR JAGDWISSENSCHAFT   Volume: 49   Issue: 1   Pages: 50-60   Published: MAR 2003 
Times Cited: 2 

::{{done}} added. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 
34.	Title: Preventing bird damage to wrapped baled silage during short- and long-term storage 
Author(s): McNamara K, O'Kiely P, Whelan J, et al.
Source: WILDLIFE SOCIETY BULLETIN   Volume: 30   Issue: 3   Pages: 809-815   Published: FAL 2002 
Times Cited: 0 
 
35.	Title: Interactions between the red squirrel (Sciurus vulgaris), great tit (Parus major) and jackdaw (Corvus monedula) whilst using nest boxes 
Author(s): Shuttleworth CM
Source: JOURNAL OF ZOOLOGY   Volume: 255   Pages: 269-272   Part: Part 2   Published: OCT 2001 
Times Cited: 0 
::{{not done}}Not related- more to do with squirrels. The study showed that the jackdaw has the
capacity to dominate nest boxes during the spring months despite the high density of red squirrels within
the reserve. --[[User:Ncsjfreed|Ncsjfreed]] ([[User talk:Ncsjfreed|talk]]) 03:07, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 
36.	Title: Within-clutch repeatability of egg dimensions in the jackdaw Corvus monedula: a study based on a museum collection 
Author(s): Tryjanowski P, Kuczynski L, Antczak M, et al.
Source: BIOLOGIA   Volume: 56   Issue: 2   Pages: 211-215   Published: APR 2001 
Times Cited: 4 

::{{done}} one fact added, other stuff a bit vague. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 14:00, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 
37.	Title: Gliding flight in a jackdaw: A wind tunnel study 
Author(s): Rosen M, Hedenstrom A
Source: JOURNAL OF EXPERIMENTAL BIOLOGY   Volume: 204   Issue: 6   Pages: 1153-1166   Published: MAR 2001 
Times Cited: 21 

::{{done}} added [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 
38.	Title: Paratuberculosis infection of nonruminant wildlife in Scotland 
Author(s): Beard PM, Daniels MJ, Henderson D, et al.
Source: JOURNAL OF CLINICAL MICROBIOLOGY   Volume: 39   Issue: 4   Pages: 1517-1521   Published: APR 2001 
Times Cited: 107 

::{{not done}} ''same researchers as above. reasons outlaid there.'' [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 23:00, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 
39.	Title: A comparison of four corvid species in a working and reference memory task using a radial maze 
Author(s): Gould-Beierle K
Source: JOURNAL OF COMPARATIVE PSYCHOLOGY   Volume: 114   Issue: 4   Pages: 347-356   Published: DEC 2000 
Times Cited: 20 
 
40.	Title: Strict monogamy in a semi-colonial passerine: the Jackdaw Corvus monedula 
Author(s): Henderson IG, Hart PJB, Burke T
Source: JOURNAL OF AVIAN BIOLOGY   Volume: 31   Issue: 2   Pages: 177-182   Published: JUN 2000 
Times Cited: 16 

{{done}} added [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 04:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 
41.	Title: 'Jackdaw Jiving' 
Author(s): Wiman C
Source: POETRY   Volume: 174   Issue: 5   Pages: 286-298   Published: AUG 1999 
Times Cited: 0 

{{not done}} unrelated [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 04:08, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
  
42.	Title: A comparative study of breeding traits in colonial birds 
Author(s): Beauchamp G
Source: EVOLUTIONARY ECOLOGY RESEARCH   Volume: 1   Issue: 2   Pages: 251-260   Published: FEB 1999 
Times Cited: 11 

{{not done}} - no idea how this got listed as no jackdaws in it...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC) 
 
43.	Title: Cooperative hunting of jackdaws by the Lanner Falcon (Falco biarmicus) 
Author(s): Leonardi G
Source: JOURNAL OF RAPTOR RESEARCH   Volume: 33   Issue: 2   Pages: 123-127   Published: JUN 1999 
Times Cited: 4 

{{done}} added  [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 04:21, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 
44.	Title: Siegel 'Devil's Golf Course', 'Jackdaw', 'Eclipse', 'Tracking' - Da-Capo-8-224069 (Smith-Quartet, Harry Sparnaay, Singcircle, Aarhus-Symphony-Orchestra, Gregory Rose) 
Author(s): Smith K
Source: STRAD   Volume: 109   Issue: 1293   Pages: 66-66   Published: JAN 1998 
Times Cited: 0 
 
{{not done}} unrelated [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 04:21, 18 August 2011 (UTC) 

45.	Title: 'JACKDAW RIDGE' 
Author(s): THOMAS R
Source: SHENANDOAH   Volume: 46   Issue: 3   Pages: 72-72   Published: FAL 1996 
Times Cited: 0 

{{not done}} unrelated [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 04:22, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 
46.	Title: Effects of experimental food provisioning on reproduction in the Jackdaw Corvus monedula, a semi-colonial species 
Author(s): Soler M, Soler JJ
Source: IBIS   Volume: 138   Issue: 3   Pages: 377-383   Published: JUL 1996 
Times Cited: 31 
 
47.	Title: Population trends of Jays, Magpies, Jackdaws and Carrion Crows in the United Kingdom 
Author(s): Gregory RD, Marchant JH
Source: BIRD STUDY   Volume: 43   Pages: 28-37   Part: Part 1   Published: MAR 1996 
Times Cited: 49 
 
48.	Title: DOMINANCE, FOOD ACQUISITION AND REPRODUCTIVE SUCCESS IN A MONOGAMOUS PASSERINE - THE JACKDAW CORVUS-MONEDULA 
Author(s): HENDERSON IG, HART PJB
Source: JOURNAL OF AVIAN BIOLOGY   Volume: 26   Issue: 3   Pages: 217-224   Published: SEP 1995 
Times Cited: 6 
 
49.	Title: INTERSPECIFIC DIFFERENCES IN MIXED-FUNCTION OXIDASE ACTIVITY IN BIRDS - A TOOL TO IDENTIFY SPECIES AT RISK 
Author(s): FOSSI MC, MASSI A, LARI L, et al.
Conference Information: Regional Meeting of the Society-of-Ecotoxicology-and-Environmental-Safety on Environmental Toxicology - Hazards to the Environment and Man in the Mediterranean Region, SEP 26-29, 1993 ROME, ITALY
Source: SCIENCE OF THE TOTAL ENVIRONMENT   Volume: 171   Issue: 1-3   Pages: 221-226   Published: OCT 27 1995 
Times Cited: 3 
 
50.	Title: INTERSPECIES DIFFERENCES IN MIXED-FUNCTION OXIDASE ACTIVITY IN BIRDS - RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN FEEDING-HABITS, DETOXICATION ACTIVITIES AND ORGANOCHLORINE ACCUMULATION 
Author(s): FOSSI MC, MASSI A, LARI L, et al.
Source: ENVIRONMENTAL POLLUTION   Volume: 90   Issue: 1   Pages: 15-24   Published: 1995 
Times Cited: 41 
51.	Title: INTRACLUTCH EGG-MASS VARIATION AND HATCHING ASYNCHRONY IN THE JACKDAW CORVUS-MONEDULA 
Author(s): HEEB P
Source: ARDEA   Volume: 82   Issue: 2   Pages: 287-297   Published: 1994 
Times Cited: 8 
 
52.	Title: COLONIAL BREEDING AND NEST PREDATION IN THE JACKDAW CORVUS-MONEDULA USING OLD BLACK WOODPECKER DRYOCOPUS-MARTIUS HOLES 
Author(s): JOHNSSON K
Source: IBIS   Volume: 136   Issue: 3   Pages: 313-317   Published: JUL 1994 
Times Cited: 5 

::{{done}} added [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:06, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 
53.	Title: MEMORY FOR SPATIAL AND OBJECT-SPECIFIC CUES IN FOOD-STORING AND NONSTORING BIRDS 
Author(s): CLAYTON NS, KREBS JR
Source: JOURNAL OF COMPARATIVE PHYSIOLOGY A-SENSORY NEURAL AND BEHAVIORAL PHYSIOLOGY   Volume: 174   Issue: 3   Pages: 371-379   Published: MAR 1994 
Times Cited: 166 
 
54.	Title: GRIT INGESTION AND CEREAL CONSUMPTION IN 5 CORVID SPECIES 
Author(s): SOLER JJ, SOLER M, MARTINEZ JG
Source: ARDEA   Volume: 81   Issue: 2   Pages: 143-149   Published: 1993 
Times Cited: 4 

::{{done}} added. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 06:41, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 
55.	Title: DOES THE RISK OF NEST PREDATION AFFECT CLUTCH SIZE IN THE JACKDAW CORVUS MONEDULA 
Author(s): SOLER M, SOLER JJ
Source: BIRD STUDY   Volume: 40   Pages: 232-235   Part: Part 3   Published: NOV 1993 
Times Cited: 2 

::{{not done}} negative finding. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:57, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 
56.	Title: ISOLATION AND PRIMARY STRUCTURE OF A NOVEL AVIAN PANCREATIC-POLYPEPTIDE FROM 5 SPECIES OF EURASIAN CROW 
Author(s): MARKS NJ, SHAW C, HALTON DW, et al.
Source: REGULATORY PEPTIDES   Volume: 47   Issue: 2   Pages: 187-194   Published: SEP 3 1993 
Times Cited: 9 

::{{not done}} I think we can draw the line at this...waaaay too specialised. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 
57.	Title: A SUBPOPULATION OF LARGE CALBINDIN-LIKE IMMUNOPOSITIVE NEURONS IS PRESENT IN THE HIPPOCAMPAL-FORMATION IN FOOD-STORING BUT NOT IN NONSTORING SPECIES OF BIRD 
Author(s): MONTAGNESE CM, KREBS JR, SZEKELY AD, et al.
Source: BRAIN RESEARCH   Volume: 614   Issue: 1-2   Pages: 291-300   Published: JUN 18 1993 
Times Cited: 26 

::{{not done}} I think we can draw the line at this...waaaay too specialised. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

58.	Title: INTESTINAL, SEGMENTED, FILAMENTOUS BACTERIA IN A WIDE-RANGE OF VERTEBRATE SPECIES 
Author(s): KLAASEN HLBM, KOOPMAN JP, VANDENBRINK ME, et al.
Source: LABORATORY ANIMALS   Volume: 27   Issue: 2   Pages: 141-150   Published: APR 1993 
Times Cited: 32 

::{{done}} added [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:57, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 
59.	Title: DEVELOPMENT OF HIPPOCAMPAL SPECIALIZATION IN A FOOD-STORING BIRD 
Author(s): HEALY SD, KREBS KR
Source: BEHAVIOURAL BRAIN RESEARCH   Volume: 53   Issue: 1-2   Pages: 127-131   Published: FEB 26 1993 
Times Cited: 54 
 
60.	Title: INTERSPECIFIC COEXISTENCE IN CORVIDS IN AN ALPINE VALLEY OF NORTHWESTERN ITALY 
Author(s): ROLANDO A, GIACHELLO P
Source: BOLLETTINO DI ZOOLOGIA   Volume: 59   Issue: 3   Pages: 281-288   Published: 1992 
Times Cited: 5 

::{{not done}} says they are often found in flocks with Rooks - already mentioned in secondary source. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 
61.	Title: LATITUDINAL TRENDS IN CLUTCH SIZE IN SINGLE BROODED HOLE NESTING BIRD SPECIES - A NEW HYPOTHESIS 
Author(s): SOLER M, SOLER JJ
Source: ARDEA   Volume: 80   Issue: 2   Pages: 293-300   Published: 1992 
Times Cited: 10 
 
62.	Title: BREEDING BIRD COMMUNITIES OF BROADLEAVED PLANTATION AND ANCIENT PASTURE WOODLANDS OF THE NEW FOREST 
Author(s): SMITH KW, BURGES DJ, PARKS RA
Source: BIRD STUDY   Volume: 39   Pages: 132-141   Part: Part 2   Published: JUL 1992 
Times Cited: 6 

::{{not done}} ''reiterates aspects already discussed in secondary sources'' [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 21:56, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 
63.	Title: FOOD STORING AND THE HIPPOCAMPUS IN CORVIDS - AMOUNT AND VOLUME ARE CORRELATED 
Author(s): HEALY SD, KREBS JR
Source: PROCEEDINGS OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY OF LONDON SERIES B-BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES   Volume: 248   Issue: 1323   Pages: 241-245   Published: JUN 22 1992 
Times Cited: 91 
 
64.	Title: CORVID DENSITY AND NEST PREDATION IN RELATION TO FOREST FRAGMENTATION - A LANDSCAPE PERSPECTIVE 
Author(s): ANDREN H
Source: ECOLOGY   Volume: 73   Issue: 3   Pages: 794-804   Published: JUN 1992 
Times Cited: 297 
 
65.	Title: THE THIEVING MAGPIE (AND JACKDAW) 
Author(s): [Anon]
Source: LANCET   Volume: 337   Issue: 8745   Pages: 844-844   Published: APR 6 1991 
Times Cited: 0 
 
::{{done}} added. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:12, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

66.	Title: NESTLING PERIOD VARIATION IN JACKDAW CORVUS-MONEDULA IN RELATION TO BROOD SIZE 
Author(s): SOLER M
Source: BIRD STUDY   Volume: 36   Pages: 73-76   Part: Part 2   Published: JUL 1989 
Times Cited: 1 
 
67.	Title: EGG SIZE VARIATION IN THE JACKDAW CORVUS-MONEDULA IN GRANADA, SPAIN 
Author(s): SOLER M
Source: BIRD STUDY   Volume: 35   Pages: 69-76   Part: Part 1   Published: MAR 1988 
Times Cited: 10 
 
68.	Title: HATCHING ASYNCHRONY REDUCES PARENTAL INVESTMENT IN THE JACKDAW 
Author(s): GIBBONS DW
Source: JOURNAL OF ANIMAL ECOLOGY   Volume: 56   Issue: 2   Pages: 403-414   Published: JUN 1987 
Times Cited: 59 
 
69.	Title: APPARENTLY BLIND JACKDAW FEEDING, PREENING AND FLYING 
Author(s): ROBERTSON P
Source: BRITISH BIRDS   Volume: 80   Issue: 5   Pages: 249-250   Published: MAY 1987 
Times Cited: 0 
 
70.	Title: DAILY DISTRIBUTION OF SLEEP STATES IN THE JACKDAW, CORVUS-MONEDULA 
Author(s): SZYMCZAK JT
Source: CHRONOBIOLOGIA   Volume: 13   Issue: 3   Pages: 227-235   Published: JUL-SEP 1986 
Times Cited: 8 
 
71.	Title: THE WAKE OF A JACKDAW (CORVUS-MONEDULA) IN SLOW FLIGHT 
Author(s): SPEDDING GR
Source: JOURNAL OF EXPERIMENTAL BIOLOGY   Volume: 125   Pages: 287-307   Published: SEP 1986 
Times Cited: 80 
 
72.	Title: BIOENERGETIC INVESTIGATIONS OF THE ONTOGENY OF THE JACKDAW (CORVUS-MONEDULA) 
Author(s): KAMINSKI P
Source: JOURNAL FUR ORNITHOLOGIE   Volume: 127   Issue: 3   Pages: 315-329   Published: JUL 1986 
Times Cited: 1 
 
73.	Title: IRIS COLOR OF DAURIAN JACKDAW 
Author(s): FISHER D
Source: BRITISH BIRDS   Volume: 79   Issue: 5   Pages: 252-252   Published: MAY 1986 
Times Cited: 0 

::{{not done}} wrong species. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:17, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 
74.	Title: PSYCHIATRISTS EDUCATION IN PSYCHOLOGY - JACKDAW OR SPONGE 
Author(s): KOPELMAN MD
Source: PSYCHOLOGICAL MEDICINE   Volume: 16   Issue: 1   Pages: 13-17   Published: FEB 1986 
Times Cited: 2 

::{{not done}} unrelated. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 14:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

75.	Title: THE DIMORPHISM OF COLOEUS-DAUURICUS, THE ASIAN JACKDAW 
Author(s): JOLLIE M
Source: JOURNAL FUR ORNITHOLOGIE   Volume: 126   Issue: 3   Pages: 303-305   Published: 1985 
Times Cited: 0 

::{{not done}} wrong species. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:17, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 
76.	Title: CHANGES OF BODY-WEIGHT, CHEMICAL-COMPOSITION AND ENERGETIC VALUE IN THE NESTLINGS OF THE JACKDAW, CORVUS-MONEDULA L, DURING THEIR DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEST 
Author(s): KAMINSKI P, KONARZEWSKI M
Source: EKOLOGIA POLSKA-POLISH JOURNAL OF ECOLOGY   Volume: 32   Issue: 1   Pages: 125-139   Published: 1984 
Times Cited: 4 
 
77.	Title: PHOTOSPOT .6. DAURIAN JACKDAW 
Author(s): WALLACE DIM
Source: BRITISH BIRDS   Volume: 77   Issue: 9   Pages: 417-418   Published: 1984 
Times Cited: 0 

::{{not done}} wrong species. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:44, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 
78.	Title: JACKDAW EATING BURNET MOTHS 
Author(s): MCCANCH N, MCCANCH M
Source: BRITISH BIRDS   Volume: 77   Issue: 2   Pages: 75-75   Published: 1984 
Times Cited: 0 
 
79.	Title: POSTNATAL-GROWTH AND ORGAN DEVELOPMENT IN THE FIELDFARE AND THE JACKDAW (TURDUS-PILARIS AND CORVUS-MONEDULA) 
Author(s): LILJA C
Source: GROWTH   Volume: 46   Issue: 4   Pages: 367-387   Published: 1982 
Times Cited: 13 
 
80.	Title: THE 'JACKDAW' + TRANSLATED FROM THE GERMAN BY LESSER,RIKA 
Author(s): HESSE H
Source: ANTAEUS   Issue: 45-4   Pages: 138-143   Published: 1982 
Times Cited: 0 
 
81.	Title: 'JACKDAW SONGS' 
Author(s): SOMMERS P
Source: DRAMA REVIEW   Volume: 25   Issue: 2   Pages: 124-126   Published: 1981 
Times Cited: 0 
 
82.	Title: 'JACKDAW SONGS' 
Author(s): PERCIVAL J
Source: DANCE MAGAZINE   Volume: 55   Issue: 9   Pages: 44-45   Published: 1981 
Times Cited: 0 
 
83.	Title: THE JACKDAW AND THE PEACOCK - PHAEDRUS 'FABLES' 1.3 - PHAEDRUS, SEJANUS, OR PALLAS 
Author(s): HAMBLENNE P
Source: ETUDES CLASSIQUES   Volume: 49   Issue: 2   Pages: 125-133   Published: 1981 
Times Cited: 0 
 
84.	Title: RESOURCE PARTITIONING IN MAGPIE PICA-PICA AND JACKDAW CORVUS-MONEDULA DURING THE BREEDING-SEASON 
Author(s): HOGSTEDT G
Source: ORNIS SCANDINAVICA   Volume: 11   Issue: 2   Pages: 110-115   Published: 1980 
Times Cited: 9 
 
85.	Title: SOCIAL-BEHAVIOR OF JACKDAW, CORVUS-MONEDULA, IN RELATION TO ITS NICHE 
Author(s): ROELL A
Source: BEHAVIOUR   Volume: 64   Pages: 1-&   Part: Part 1-2   Published: 1978 
Times Cited: 59 
 
86.	Title: 'JACKDAW' - HILL,C 
Author(s): CALLENDAR N
Source: NEW YORK TIMES BOOK REVIEW   Volume: 81   Issue: 13   Pages: 32-32   Published: 1976 
Times Cited: 0 

{{not done}} review of suspense novel. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 08:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 
87.	Title: 'JACKDAW' - HILL,C 
Author(s): JAMES PD
Source: TLS-THE TIMES LITERARY SUPPLEMENT   Issue: 3837   Pages: 1079-1079   Published: 1975 
Times Cited: 0 

{{not done}} review of suspense novel. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 08:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 
88.	Title: RATE OF DEVELOPMENT OF DIGESTIVE-SYSTEM IN JACKDAW (CORVUS-MONEDULA L) AND ROOK (CORVUS-FRUGILEGUS L) IN POSTNATAL-PERIOD 
Author(s): VORONOV NP
Source: ZHURNAL OBSHCHEI BIOLOGII   Volume: 35   Issue: 6   Pages: 934-943   Published: 1974 
Times Cited: 2 

{{not done}} obscure Russian article highly specialised and of little interest to lay reader. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 08:13, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 
89.	Title: CHEMOTAXONOMY OF CORVIDAE - UROPYGIAL GLAND FAT FROM JACKDAW (COLOEUS-MONEDULA), CARRION CROW (CORVUS-CORONE-CORONE) AND HOODED CROW (CORVUS-CORONE-CORVIX) 
Author(s): JACOB J, GRIMMER G
Source: ZEITSCHRIFT FUR NATURFORSCHUNG C-A JOURNAL OF BIOSCIENCES   Volume: C 28   Issue: 1-2   Pages: 75-77   Published: 1973 
Times Cited: 14 
 
90.	Title: THE FOOD AND FEEDING-BEHAVIOR OF THE JACKDAW, ROOK AND CARRION CROW 
Author(s): LOCKIE JD
Source: JOURNAL OF ANIMAL ECOLOGY   Volume: 25   Issue: 2   Pages: 421-428   Published: 1956 
Times Cited: 32 

::{{done}} already in. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:37, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

 
91.	Title: ROOK AND JACKDAW MIGRATIONS OBSERVED IN GERMANY, 1942-1945 
Author(s): WATERHOUSE MJ
Source: IBIS   Volume: 91   Issue: 1   Pages: 1-16   Published: 1949 
Times Cited: 1 
 
92.	Title: The relationship of the interstitial cell to the generative proportion in the testicle of the jackdaw (colacus monedula) 
Author(s): Stieve H
Source: ARCHIV FUR ENTWICKLUNGSMECHANIK DER ORGANISMEN   Volume: 45   Issue: 3   Pages: 455-497   Published: MAY 1919 
Times Cited: 11 

::{{not done}} esoteric and old. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:37, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 
93.	Title: The development of the ovarian egg in the jackdaw (Colaeus monedula) A contribution to the question of physiological mode in the ovary of happening revertive formation processes 
Author(s): Stieve H
Source: ARCHIV FUR MIKROSKOPISCHE ANATOMIE   Volume: 92   Issue: 1/2   Pages: 137-289   Part: Part 2   Published: NOV 1918 
Times Cited: 3 

::{{not done}} esoteric and old. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:37, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

 
94.	Title: Stomach movements in crows and jackdaw and the influence of vagal on them. 
Author(s): Mangold E
Source: PFLUGERS ARCHIV FUR DIE GESAMTE PHYSIOLOGIE DES MENSCHEN UND DER TIERE   Volume: 138   Issue: 1/3   Pages: 1-13   Published: FEB 1911 
Times Cited: 2

::{{not done}} given age, and only cited twice, I suspect this is way too specialised and not worth adding (even if I could find it!). [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:42, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

*Typing in "monedula" yielded 116 results - as far as I know the Jackdaw is the only organism with that as the species name - some extra articles are:

3.	Title: [http://www.birds.org.il/SIP_STORAGE/files/7/2197.pdf Effects of the risk of competition and predation on large secondary cavity breeders] 
Author(s): Charter M, Izhaki I, Leshem Y
Source: JOURNAL OF ORNITHOLOGY   Volume: 151   Issue: 4   Pages: 791-795   Published: OCT 2010 
Times Cited: 0

::{{not done}} tricky to find something here to add to the article for general readership. Test study/hypothetical? [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:15, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Title: Food sharing in jackdaws, Corvus monedula: what, why and with whom? 
Author(s): De Kort SR, Emery NJ, Clayton NS
Source: ANIMAL BEHAVIOUR   Volume: 72   Pages: 297-304   Part: Part 2   Published: AUG 2006 
Times Cited: 11

::{{done}} added. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

== Common name ==

[http://www.worldbirdnames.org/n-vireos.html IOC name] is Western Jackdaw. Is this controversial? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 19:03, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

:No idea. Did we ever change it before and revert I wonder....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:53, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
::Without a specific name, I guess the [[Jackdaw]] page could be mistaken for [[Daurian Jackdaw]]. I am also confused about the genus name being different on en Wiki and Commons. - is is ''Corvus'' or ''Coloeus''? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 14:40, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Most categories on Commons use the IOC "taxonomy", so it probably ought to be changed (though most other languages use ''Corvus'', it appears). Not a big deal really having a different taxonomy on Commons. &mdash;[[User talk:Innotata|''innotata'']] 15:15, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
::::I'll place a note on the wikiproject discussion page in case anyone has any objections,and if not then move it in a few days. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:30, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::This article has an inconsistency: ''Coloeus monedula'' in introduction and ''Corvus monedula'' in the taxobox. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 13:21, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Fixed now. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 06:25, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

== Help to nominate this article ==

Hi, I am a master's student doing an elective on Wikipedia, learning its ins and outs. I have been researching articles of interest to nominate for GA status, as my preliminary assessment of the article would indicate that it fits the criteria. I would like your feedback on when/how to nominate this article. Your input would be appreciated.--[[User:Ncsjfreed|Ncsjfreed]] ([[User talk:Ncsjfreed|talk]]) 21:14, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

:Aha, glad to see someone's interested. Yes we're actively working towards GA. I was musing on nominating it soon, but am aware there is alot of literature about its social behaviour that I intended reading and adding before doing this. There are some other bits and pieces so I was making my way thru the peer-reviewed literature above. If you have uni/fulltext/library access we can get through the fulltexts faster with two (or more) of us looking at them. The idea is to make it as complete as possible before nominating, to make teh process easier. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 21:54, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

I will try to attend to a few of the articles, and sign off on them. I have fulltext access, so should be able to download the relevant journal articles.--[[User:Ncsjfreed|Ncsjfreed]] ([[User talk:Ncsjfreed|talk]]) 00:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

:Great, once I have looked at something and then figured out whether we include it or not, I make a note afterwards (see the ticks and crosses above) so I can keep track. I can help with the formatting. I am not sure what your course requires, but another article on the cusp of GA is [[House Sparrow]], if you want an experience of "doing it yourself" so to speak. Either way is cool. If you wanna do that one a few of us can help there too. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:52, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 
Ok, then, happy to continue with Jackdaw. If I find add'l relevant behavioural info, do you prefer to place it on the discussion page before inserting it directly into the article?  --[[User:Ncsjfreed|Ncsjfreed]] ([[User talk:Ncsjfreed|talk]]) 01:44, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:No no, just go for it and I'll see how you're going. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 04:27, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

== Jackdaw's wedding ==

See [http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/mid/sites/aberystwyth/pages/stevejones.shtml BBC]. Is there anything more about Jackdaws being noisy when there is a Jackdaw wedding? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 22:23, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:I have never heard of that expression. If it is described somewhere it'd be good to add. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:04, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::All I could find was that a Jackdaw wedding is several Jackdaws form a flock and just be noisy. Not any trustworthy sources, though. [[User:Guyinasuit5517|Guyinasuit5517]] ([[User talk:Guyinasuit5517|talk]]) 00:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::''(sigh)'' thanks for looking anyway. oh well.... [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::The BBC radio 4 program anecdotally implied that knowledge has been handed down the generations about Jackdaw weddings in Wales. Jackdaw weddings sound plausible to me considering that Konrad Lorenz's described that one female Jackdaw rocketed up the Jackdaw social ladder in his book ''[[King Solomon's Ring]]'' after she "married" a high ranking male Jackdaw. The book records that one day she was one of the lowest racked Jackdaw's and the next day, after her "marriage", she was one of the top ranked Jackdaws. It would be good to have more evidence in corroboration, including something form Welsh folklore, before anything is added to the article.. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 11:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Request of revision / removal: "though males and females pair-bond for life and pairs stay together within flocks" ==

Aside from the citation being missing (Added citation needed), contemporary biological research has indicated there is no such thing as a bird that mates for life. Several species were investigated and it was found, while thought to be monogamous, that they all had offspring from different mates.

I'm afraid I can't access the database from here right now, so I can't provide a direct link to the study. It's been around a while now though.

[[Special:Contributions/94.214.196.189|94.214.196.189]] ([[User talk:94.214.196.189|talk]]) 13:04, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

:fair point - I don't think that came from the collins book. I am trawling through the refs and will see if anything turns up and if not, delete. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 13:19, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

== Other language versions ==

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== Range map ==

The range map could be improved to show which regions are occupied by which subspecies. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 13:15, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

:I agree that I would like to do that as long as I could find one.....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:59, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

==Title==
Wasn't there some discussion about, and consensus to, move the article to "Western Jackdaw", or maybe "Eurasian Jackdaw"? [[User:Maias|Maias]] ([[User talk:Maias|talk]]) 00:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:Yes. I have a slow connection now so looking is going to be very time consuming, but we did and not sure how complete the consensus was. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:33, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:Right then, where were we? Aaah [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Birds/Archive_56#IOC_name_of_Jackdaw|here]]. Right then. Moving.....[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:44, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

== Scientific name...Coloeus vs Corvus ==

Ok, most places still have ''Corvus monedula'', but IOC has listed as ''Coloeus monedula'' based on Rasmussen 2005. I'd followed this as reasoning seemed sound. Does anyone have any strong opinions either way? [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:13, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
:Happy to change genus to ''Coloeus'' for the two jackdaws. [[User:Maias|Maias]] ([[User talk:Maias|talk]]) 12:24, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
::My preference is to stick with scientific consensus and leave as Corvus......IOC is used for english names and not for classification as has been previously explained to me.....[[User:Pvmoutside|Pvmoutside]] ([[User talk:Pvmoutside|talk]]) 18:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::We are supposed to reflect usage, not initiate it. I would tend to stick with ''Corvus'' for now, but I wouldn't go to the stake for it <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;">[[User:Jimfbleak|<span style="color:red;">Jimfbleak</span>]] - </b>[[User talk:Jimfbleak|<span style="font-family:arial; color:green;"> talk to me?</span>]] 06:25, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
::::True, I guess it depends on how notable the study is proposing change. Hence IOC reckons Rasmussen 2005 is pretty notable...anyway, it is still fairly recent in publishing terms, and it is really only a matter of delineation of the genus boundary and whether or not it includes the two early offshoot Jackdaws. So retaining as ''Corvus'' is not misleading anyway. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 14:17, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Images ==

I am trying to go through all our Jackdaw images to see where they were taken and which subspecies they belong to (to see if we have any others that'd be ''soemmerringii'' or ''cirtensis'' hopefully). The other issue is which one goes in taxobox. I do have a preference for one of the nominate subspecies if possible (though a super duper pic trumps this). Anyone else have strong opinions? [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 21:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

NB: We have a few of subspecies ''soemmerringii'', but they are all immature...some nice ones on flickr, see [http://www.flickr.com/photos/39392208@N04/4106245394/ this one] which I might ask the photographer nicely :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 21:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC) 

Placeholder as I have to run - these are some appropriately licenced flickr photos we can transfer over if needed. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/foxypar4/478292340/], [http://www.flickr.com/photos/yeliseev/5853044369/], [http://www.flickr.com/photos/dartmoorgiant/6929088293/], [http://www.flickr.com/photos/maarten84/14620521/], and [http://www.flickr.com/photos/maarten84/15800472/]. Can't find any photos from North Africa :( [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 21:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

== Flock behaviour ==

*Is "gregarious" suitable to describe these birds that live in hierarchical social structures? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 08:59, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
**Cramp uses the term to describe them, as well as "highly sociable" [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:25, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
*Are family groups of Jackdaws territorial at any time of the year? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 08:59, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
**They form larger flocks which roost communally. My interpretation of what I've read is that these flocks are territorial but not seen it spelled out specifically. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 11:25, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

== Folklore check ==

See [http://books.google.com.au/books?id=9yfk4Y1DnWoC&pg=PA81&dq=Jackdaw+luck&hl=en&sa=X&ei=b715T8LgBZGtiQe0uODEBA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Jackdaw%20luck&f=false here] [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 15:00, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

{{Talk:Western Jackdaw/GA1}}

== German article ==

I noticed that you are currently reworking this article. I recently rewrote the corresponding [[:de:Dohle|German article]] for the writing contest over there. If you need a short review, literature or any other advice or help, just contact me on my [[:de:BD:Toter Alter Mann|talk page]].--[[User:Toter Alter Mann|Toter Alter Mann]] ([[User talk:Toter Alter Mann|talk]]) 15:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

:Danke Schon! Aber mein Deutsch ist schrecklisch.....''(stops fumbling around in German)''.....nice work! I like some of the images and have used them :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:40, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

==Comparative size query==
Checking Goodwin I cannot find the cited assertion that the bird is the second smallest species of corvid.  I would doubt it anyway – many jays must be smaller.  Could it be that the claim is supposed to be the second smallest species of ''Corvus''? [[User:Maias|Maias]] ([[User talk:Maias|talk]]) 05:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

:Yes you are right. That's what I meant when I wrote it.[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

== Redundant or obscure? ==

The following passage is either redundant or obscure: ''small invertebrates ... including larvae and pupae of Curculionidae,[64] Coleoptera (particularly cockchafers of the genus Melolontha),[66] Diptera, and Lepidoptera species.'' The best interpretation I can make is that this jackdaw eats larvae and pupae of Curculionidae and "fullgrown" beetles of other Coleoptera species. It could also mean that it eats only larvae and pupae of all these insect species. In this case Curculionidae is redundant. Could someone please clarify in the article? --[[User:Ettrig|Ettrig]] ([[User talk:Ettrig|talk]]) 07:43, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

''various insects also make up part of their animal diet.'' Given that we have allready mentioned the vast majority of insect species, I find this statement peculiar. Does it refer to the same species or other species (that have not been previously listed)? If the latter is the case it would be cleare and much more readable to say that it eats insects (period, no specification of subgroups). But maybe the intention is to say that the mentioned groups are eaten more often. In this case this should be expressed explicitly. --[[User:Ettrig|Ettrig]] ([[User talk:Ettrig|talk]]) 07:59, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

:Trimmed it and rejigged. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:39, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
::Yes, I think it reads beautifully now. Thanks! (I tried to translate to Swedish, but got confused.) --[[User:Ettrig|Ettrig]] ([[User talk:Ettrig|talk]]) 10:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
:::It's great hearing it being exported into other languages (and even better when other languages have some good stuff on them we didn't - the German article is also featured and the main editor was very helpful.) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:13, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

== Migration ==

Annual migration is mentioned with reference to Lorenz, but nowhere else in the article. Presumably, Lorenz made an accurate observation that jackdaws migrated away from his locality in the winter. What is the pale blue area on the range map? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 19:29, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

:User cntrl-F on the word "wintering" to find the mentions. The blue areas are winter visitor only. Mentioned under subspecies for ''soemerringii'' [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:25, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
::The "| range_map_caption" entry is confusing to me. I have added a bit about the blue zone to the map caption, but I think the map caption could be improved further by explaining what the green area is better. Would it be better to use the word migrate more in the article? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 09:36, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
:::I thought the word "wintering" was nice and succinct, but if you can reword it otherwise you are most welcome to have a go. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:13, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Re-think: there is a "migratory", which I missed before. [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 10:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

== Mention of subspecies ==

The conventional way of writing the subspecies names would be ''C. m. soemmerringii'', not "subspecies soemmerringii". Any reason why the latter is used here? It is also inconsistent throughout captions, some places the full trinomial is used, sometimes the shorted version, and sometimes the "subspecies X" version. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 10:00, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
:Making it prose-friendly I guess. Feel free to standardise it any way you want. I am in the middle of a couple of things and will get to it later otherwise. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:11, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
::Ok, I'll go with the "''C. m. soemmerringii''" style, if it's alright? [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 10:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Fine by me :) [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 10:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

== What is this collective behaviour? ==

I have a tree outside my bedroom which used to be a roost for Jackdaws.  It has not been used as a roost for several years.  There are several Jackdaw roosts within a couple of miles of where I live.  At dawn, many jackdaws begin to arrive and collect in the tree outside my bedroom before flying off several minutes later.  The birds arrive from several directions (although primarily from a well-established roost), but I cannot tell whether they are from the same roost or not.  I would like to research this behaviour and perhaps add it to this page, but I don't even know what this behaviour is called.  Can anyone help?__[[User:DrChrissy|DrChrissy]] ([[User talk:DrChrissy|talk]]) 18:12, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

== Jackdaws and crows? ==

Here's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow."
Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.
As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.
If you're saying "crow family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens.
So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people "call the black ones crows?" Let's get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too.
Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw and a member of the crow family. But that's not what you said. You said a jackdaw is a crow, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the crow family crows, which means you'd call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don't.
It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?
:Huh? The article says it's in the crow family, not a corw. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 06:31, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough, if it's a regional thing or colloquialism, that's fine, I'm mainly annoyed that this page is trying to be "specific" and insisting on a less specific term! :D
This is generally why Latin is a good way to deal with stuff, it's a common ground, rather than relying on commonalities to a specific country.  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.76.154.140|173.76.154.140]] ([[User talk:173.76.154.140|talk]]) 17:14, 27 November 2014 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:One is often walking the tightrope between accessibility and accuaracy. My impression was that the family Corvidae was often colloquially called the crow family. Actually it is worth having a discussion on. I will alert the folks at the Birds Wikiproject. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 19:49, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

== I found an audio file on Commons ==

Hello! Can you put this audio file into this article? I am not native speaker of English and I don't want to fail the text or anything else. 
Here is the file: Corvus monedula calls.ogg

--[[User:Porbóllett|Porbóllett]] ([[User talk:Porbóllett|talk]]) 19:07, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
::That's great! I don't think I have either....will look around after I have done some chores.....[[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 07:10, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::{{ping|Porbóllett}} I got it sorted now - thanks for finding that! [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:19, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

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== ''Corvus'' or ''Coloeus'' ==

The agreement on WikiProject Birds (see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/References]]) is that editors should follow the IOC classification unless there is consensus not to.

In 2012 the IOC (Gill and Donsker) moved the western jackdaw from the genus ''[[Corvus]]'' to the genus ''[[Coloeus]]''. They included the note "Assign Western Jackdaw and Daurian Jackdaw from ''Corvus'' to ''Coloeus'' (Rasmussen & Anderton 2005)". (This is "Birds of South Asia".)  The latest IOC list (IOC 7.3) is [http://www.worldbirdnames.org/bow/crows/ here].

The other major world lists (H&M4, Clements, HBW alive) have not made this change (see the large IOC comparison Excel file [http://www.worldbirdnames.org/IOC_7.3_vs_other_lists.xlsx here] and [https://avibase.bsc-eoc.org/species.jsp?lang=EN&avibaseid=D4C32F8E792B65BA Avibase]).

Should we ignore the IOC in this instance and retain the western jackdaw (and the [[Daurian jackdaw]]) in ''Corvus''? [[User:Aa77zz|Aa77zz]] ([[User talk:Aa77zz|talk]]) 10:57, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
*Can't wait for this to become a long RfC. Anyways, I think that since nobody else has switched it yet, we should wait until somebody does. Thus, we should keep this bird in the genus ''Corvus''. [[User:RileyBugz|<span style="color:#2D3D67;">RileyBugz</span>]][[User talk:RileyBugz|<sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/RileyBugz|<sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録</sub>]] 19:15, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
*I say move em. We can always move them back. [[User:Sabine's Sunbird|Sabine's Sunbird]]  [[User talk:Sabine's Sunbird|<span style="color:#008000;">talk</span>]] 21:15, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
*Not really fussed either way as I haven't followed the literature as I have with, say, ''Cracticus/Gymnorhina'' squabble with Australian magpie....happy to go with the flow here. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 21:50, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
*The wikiproject has decided to standardize with the IOC on both English names and taxonomy a little while back.....we should keep with IOC, My vote is to change 'em...[[User:Pvmoutside|Pvmoutside]] ([[User talk:Pvmoutside|talk]]) 19:15, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

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== New Images ==

I took some photos of Western Jackdaws today. I don't feel confident enough to edit the article but I would like if they were included. I think the pictures of them collecting nesting material and grooming might be interesting. You can see them here: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Western_jackdaw_In_V%C3%A4stmanland,_Sweden.jpg idle jackdaw 1] [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Western_jackdaw_In_V%C3%A4stmanland,_Sweden_4.jpg idle jackdaw 2][https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Western_jackdaw_In_V%C3%A4stmanland,_Sweden_2.jpg Collecting material][https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Western_jackdaw_In_V%C3%A4stmanland,_Sweden_3.jpg grooming]
--[[User:Bomiman|Bomiman]] ([[User talk:Bomiman|talk]]) 09:52, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
::{{re|Bomiman}} the last two could be good to squeeze in somewhere. Regarding the first two, always good to try and get the whole bird in the photo. The article does have alot of photos in it though, but surely we can do a substitution somewhere....[[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:21, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

== Name origin confusion ==

If I'm reading the intro correctly, the word ''jackdaw'' comes from ''jack'', which means "small", and ''daw'', which means... "jackdaw"? How can its name be derived from its own name? Well, I guess they used to call it 'daw', and then started adding 'jack' to it, maybe? An explanation of where "daw" originally comes from (or a clarification that the origins of the "daw" part are unknown) would be much appreciated. [[Special:Contributions/147.226.220.112|147.226.220.112]] ([[User talk:147.226.220.112|talk]]) 07:18, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

== Weightless bird? ;) ==

I couldn't really spot the adult weight of these birds. [[User:Henk Poley|Henk Poley]] ([[User talk:Henk Poley|talk]]) 06:20, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{u|Henk Poley}} Well spotted. Now added. - [[User:Aa77zz|Aa77zz]] ([[User talk:Aa77zz|talk]]) 07:47, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

== Pet ==

They were historically kept as pets, although this was probably not a good idea. Maybe some information on this topic should be added.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/92.67.227.181|92.67.227.181]] ([[User talk:92.67.227.181#top|talk]]) 12:47, 28 June 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->