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==Alumni==

There are rather a lot of famous alumni given that it's not been around for long! Does anyone know who went to which component? [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 21:13, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Actually, the University College for the Creative Arts, through its various predessessor institutions (the Surrey and Kent institutes were themselves created by mergers of existing art colleges), can boast a long, sprawling history of specialist art and design education. The listed alumni included thus far are, I understand, applicable to the former institutions which 'UCREATIVE' is comprised of, and not 'UCREATIVE' in and of itself. As for which areas of the College to which various practitioners pertain, I would like to think that a foray through the individual artist and college hyperlinks would flesh in many of those such details.

--also since when did Stephen Fry study in Maidstone??  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.172.184.252|86.172.184.252]] ([[User talk:86.172.184.252|talk]]) 00:20, 26 January 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Name==

From recollection, the sign at the Epsom site at least just says '''University College for the Creative Arts''' and not '''University College for the Creative Arts at Canterbury, Epsom, Farnham, Maidstone and Rochester'''. Whilst the logo and use is a bit ambiguous on the website, what evidence is there that the extremely long phrase is the institution's official title? The change in location for this page and all the links has been made rather quickly. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 22:23, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

:I find it hard to believe that this name is used in practice. If there is any shorter name that is commonly used by staff and students, I would suggest using that until whoever decides the official name comes their senses. Remember Wikipedia puts articles at the title where people would expect to find them, not necessarily the official title, so that at least some editors can guess the name without resorting to long winded disambig links. -- [[User:Solipsist|Solipsist]] 23:46, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

::[http://www.dfes.gov.uk/recognisedukdegrees/annex4.shtml#c This Privy Council page] shows that it's the official name. It is also used in full consistantly on the institution's website. Normal Wikipedia policy for universities and colleges is to use the name the institution calls itself (omitting the definate article), which means this page is correctly placed at '''University College for the Creative Arts at Canterbury, Epsom, Farnham, Maidstone and Rochester'''. - [[User:Green Tentacle|Green Tentacle]] 11:10, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

:::For one, [[Imperial College London]] is at the name that people actually use rather than the official name. -- [[User:Solipsist|Solipsist]] 15:32, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

::::True, but 'Imperial College London' is also the name the institution itself prefers. - [[User:Green Tentacle|Green Tentacle]] 15:47, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Erm not everyone's 100% happy with "Imperial College London" (abv: ICL!). [http://live.cgcu.net/news/?id=467 Some fiercely wanted to keep the comma!] The Privy Council page also lists "Birkbeck College" but all Birkbeck literature now uses [[Birkbeck, University of London]], as does our page.

:::::Looking at the website the only short form used appears to be "the University College". I suspect someone has realised that "ucker" isn't the most elegant pronounciation and wants to discourage the use of "UCCA"! [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 16:55, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::I do doubt the issue of abbreviations is the bone of contention here. Nobody I know refers to the University College's obvious [[University of the Arts London|London-based rival]] as the rather troublesomely reading 'UAL'... nonetheless. The University College website does occasionally shorten that name when referring only towards towards particular campuses, a habit I say would be well worth mimicking on Wikipedia, say, the 'University College for the Creative Arts at Rochester' rather than the un-neccessary surplus associated with constituent campuses. See the [http://www.ucreative.ac.uk/index.cfm?articleid=5017 'Location' section] of the University College's website for evidence of this practice.

:::::::I know a few who do call that one "UAL" or even say "Yale", though I get the impression the institution itself isn't keen on the usage! [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 18:27, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

The University calls itself ''University for the Creative Arts'', see [http://www.ucreative.ac.uk/index.cfm?articleid=21018], from 08 September 2008.  [[User:Richard Pinch|Richard Pinch]] ([[User talk:Richard Pinch|talk]]) 20:03, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

== History - political and negative spin ==

By a series of 6 edits on May 31st, 2011 user 93.96.164.99 [[User_talk:93.96.164.99]] put two verbose political strings into this article setting out a strong lament of higher education funding and student finances potentially breaching wikipedia policy, neutral point of view? [[WP:NPOV]].  To such an extent it sounds as if the editor would refer to the national student finance campaign everywhere on this subject in such terms, see ([[WP:N]]) and ([[WP:NOT]]).  Replacement of higher education facilities in Maidstone seems likely in any event.<br />
I am interested in other users' perspectives on this and in the meantime have removed the reference to the maximum UK teaching charge which the college does not charge and balanced in the history the celebrity and commerciality achieved by many alumni.[[User:Adam37|Adam37]] ([[User talk:Adam37|talk]]) 16:02, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

== Conflict of interest ==

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== Request edit on 7 January 2018 ==

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Hello. I work as part of the web team at the University for the Creative Arts (UCA), and would very much appreciate your help improving our Wikipedia page for users.

1. Change the opening line: 

From: "The University for the Creative Arts (UCA) is a specialist art and design university in the south of England."
To: "The University for the Creative Arts(UCA) is a specialist art and design university based in Canterbury, Epsom, Farnham and Rochester, in the south of England, United Kingdom."

This provides additional/more detailed information to the user, highlighting the various locations/campuses across the south of England.

2. Remove the Coordinates (geo tag) 51° 12′ 59″ N, 0° 48′ 19″ W

UCA is based across several locations/campuses across the south East of England (not specifically Farnham - as shown by the geo tag).

Thank you very much.

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#The lead section is a summary of the information provided in the article. Listing each location in the lead, when that information is included in both the infobox and the main text, is superfluous, and works against the purpose of brevity intentionally designed into the lead section.
#A hidden note under the geo-coordinates entered for the page states {{tq|"Coordinates of Farnham campus, as that's the registered office, even if it's not very central."}} If these coordinates are removed, the change would likely be brief — as the article would automatically be tagged for re-inclusion by another editor down the line.

::Regards, '''<span style="border:0.25px solid;font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Spintendo|<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">Spintendo&nbsp;</span>]][[User talk:Spintendo|<span style="color:#00008B;background:#FF0000;">ᔦᔭ</span>]]</span>''' 17:01, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

== Request edit on 19 January 2018 ==
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Hello. 

I had an edit request declined recently, but I failed to provide one of the primary reason why I made the request, so I am including additional information for consideration.

I work as part of the web team at the University for the Creative Arts (UCA).

My two requests below, both relate to the fact that the university is located across two counties (Surrey and Kent), and not focussed on just Farnham, Surrey. 

Information from Wikipedia appears to display on local SEO Google searches. We would like to expand the information shown in the opening line of text. <span style="border:3px orange; border-style:none dotted solid;">And we also wonder whether the Wikipedia geo tag is throwing off our search results (please see the following link, which is a search for UCA Rochester - which brings up information relating to UCA Farnham). 
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uca+rochester&oq=uca+rochester&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60j0l4.4701j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8</span>

(As we are based over two counties, we wonder why we need a geo tag, as this draws focus on just our Surrey location, at the expense of our two Kent campuses). 

1. Change the opening line:

From: "The University for the Creative Arts (UCA) is a specialist art and design university in the south of England." To: "The University for the Creative Arts(UCA) is a specialist art and design university based in Canterbury, Epsom, Farnham and Rochester, in the south of England, United Kingdom."

2. Remove the Coordinates (geo tag) 51° 12′ 59″ N, 0° 48′ 19″ W

Thank you for your help with this.

[[Special:Contributions/194.82.131.124|194.82.131.124]] ([[User talk:194.82.131.124|talk]]) 15:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

{{deleted}} geotag. Regarding search results, this is an answer which first should be sought from the seach engine provider. Regards, <small>'''<span style="border:0.25px solid;font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Spintendo|<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">Spintendo&nbsp;</span>]][[User talk:Spintendo|<span style="color:#00008B;background:#FF0000;">ᔦᔭ</span>]]</span>'''</small> 16:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
:Well, surely no great harm done, {{u|Spintendo}}. However, [http://www.uca.ac.uk/quality-assurance-enhancement/quality-contacts/ the website of the school itself] shows its address as Farnham (I think there was a hidden-text comment about this in the page). The page has many more serious problems. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 19:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

::You're right, there was a message there about Farnham being the central location, but for some reason they were complaining that this was Wikipedia's fault, that their search results were getting "thrown off" (whatever that means). I looked for policy on how to add multiple geo locations, figuring there's got to be articles that have 2 or 3 entered for geo coordinates, but I failed to find any guidance on [[WP:GEO]]. That's what I meant in my edit summary by "lack of a better solution". {{smiley}}  <small>'''<span style="border:0.25px solid;font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Spintendo|<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">Spintendo&nbsp;</span>]][[User talk:Spintendo|<span style="color:#00008B;background:#FF0000;">ᔦᔭ</span>]]</span>'''</small> 20:12, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

== Alumni ==

It seems that this school was formed in 2005 (at least, that's what our article says). So it is really not very likely that people like Richard Rogers, Tracey Emin and Zandra Rhodes are alumni – presumably they attended one or other of the various art schools that were merged to make this. When the same situation arose at [[:Central Saint Martins]] I spent several days sorting it out by hand, assigning each person to the category for the school they '''actually''' attended (which was, in almost every case, not CSM). Alumnus lists are supposed to be referenced; what I suggest here is the we remove the whole list, and add back only those that have at least one [[WP:RS|reliable source]] which states that they attended '''this''' specific institution. Thoughts? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 19:45, 19 January 2018 (UTC)</small>

{{tick}} '''Removed'''  And I'm thinking the "former academic" section too. I'm not too sure what that means "former academics", is it like former employees? In that case it would seem to violate #7 under [[WP:NOTADIRECTORY]] <small>'''<span style="border:0.25px solid;font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Spintendo|<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">Spintendo&nbsp;</span>]][[User talk:Spintendo|<span style="color:#00008B;background:#FF0000;">ᔦᔭ</span>]]</span>'''</small> 20:21, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
:I suppose that's meant to read something like "Current and former teaching staff" (there aren't usually any "academics" as such in an art school, are there?). I think it falls under the same case as the alumni, and I should have said so earlier. Some of these people may teach or have taught at the school since it was formed, but without adequate sourcing we can't know which those might be or have been; others should be listed in the pages on the various component schools, assuming we have those (I looked only at [[Guildford School of Art|Guildford]], and that page has more problems than this one). Thanks for your input here, much appreciated. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 21:18, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

== Request edit on 11 September 2018 ==

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The Chancellor for the University for the Creative Arts is now (2018) Magdalene Odundo - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Odundo

This is shown on the University for the Creative Arts webpage - https://www.uca.ac.uk/about-us/

Please add: '2018 - Magdalene Odundo' to the Chancellor section of the Wikipedia page.

Thank you

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*{{u|Justlettersandnumbers}} beat me to it. Thank you Just!
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:{{ec}} Thank you for a clear and mercifully brief request, {{u|194.82.131.124}}, changes made as proposed (except that I chose an independent reference instead of the website of the institution itself). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 12:53, 18 September 2018 (UTC)