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==Andrew Marr==
Andrew Marr is no longer bbc political editor. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:195.153.219.170|195.153.219.170]] ([[User talk:195.153.219.170|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/195.153.219.170|contribs]]) 14:20, 14 October 2005 (UTC)</small>

==[[Isaac Newton]]==
Is it certain Isaac Newton is a Trinity Hall Old Boy? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:164.15.65.28|164.15.65.28]] ([[User talk:164.15.65.28|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/164.15.65.28|contribs]]) 13:26, 4 July 2006 (UTC)</small>
:It is fairly certain he was a member of [[Trinity College, Cambridge]]. -- [[User:Solipsist|Solipsist]] 16:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

==MCR link==
Is there a reason the link to the Trinity Hall MCR webpage is being removed? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/131.111.190.182|131.111.190.182]] ([[User talk:131.111.190.182#top|talk]]) 14:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)</small>

== The college crest ==
The shape of the college crest, although once 'correct', is now out of date. In 2006, the year of my matriculation, Trinity Hall declared to standardise its crest by abolishing the use of all but one. The crest that remains is found here: [http://quartz.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/internal/images/crestonly.jpg Trinity Hall Crest]

I'm a newbie so am not sure how to update it. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Alanlives|Alanlives]] ([[User talk:Alanlives#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alanlives|contribs]]) 16:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)</small>

:That link is meaningless to anyone who doesn't have a user account at Cambridge; you can only see the crest if you log in. Also, please sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after them. Thanks [[User:Asyndeton|asyndeton]] 16:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

:I thought as much, sorry. A smaller version (but in the updated style) can be found here: [http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/uploads/crest%20only1%20copy.jpg Trinity Hall Crest (small)] Is it worth me putting the large image (from the first link) on an external image hosting site, or something? I would upload the image to Wikipedia Commons myself but I'm not sure a) how to do that and b) I will probably need to check the legality of such a move with the College [[User:Alanlives|Alanlives]] 12:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

::Wikipedia has extensive (although sometimes bewilderingly) complex guidelines on fair use of uploading materials. From the point of view of the mechanics of uploading, on the bar to the left, in the "toolbox" section, there's an "Upload file" link to click which will start you on the process. However, I'm not sure if there's a need to bother - from the heraldic point of view, redrawing the arms of the college as a "logo" for corporate rebranding purposes is really neither here nor there - the heraldry of the institution remains constant, even if the shield is a different shape (and there are many many different "shapes" in which the heraldry is embedded). The college has existed for many hundred years, and has survived the whims of the fellows before, so I think this is another whim which doesn't really make too much of a difference in the great scheme of things. [[User:Robotforaday|Robotforaday]] 17:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

== Lack of citations ==
The article contains no citations and only two bibliography entries. Given that (I believe) most or all of the content of the article comes from the two books, what's the best way to deal with this? [[User:BunnyDust|BunnyDust]] ([[User talk:BunnyDust|talk]]) 09:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:How about [[Wikipedia:Citing_sources#General_reference]]? [[User:BunnyDust|BunnyDust]] ([[User talk:BunnyDust|talk]]) 09:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

::I've now edited the article. [[User:BunnyDust|BunnyDust]] ([[User talk:BunnyDust|talk]]) 14:45, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

== Coat of arms is correct, but the blazon is wrong.  ==
Coat of arms is correct, but the blazon (official description) is wrong.  The coat of arms of the founder in 1350 was changed slightly to become the college's arms.  William Bateman used his family coat (sable, a crescent and border engrailed ermine) impaled with his bishop of norwich (azure, three bishops mitres or).  The college uses sable, a crescent and bordure ermine.  Note that for the founder the bordure is engrailed (wavy), but for the college the bordure is simple (straight).  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.162.214.88|75.162.214.88]] ([[User talk:75.162.214.88#top|talk]]) 12:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Proposed change ==
Trinity Hall would like to propose the following updated text for the College's Wikipedia page to provide clarity and the full series of events for the section currently titled 'sexual harassment'.

Controversy

In 2019, the College caused controversy and triggered international headlines after it emerged that the College supported "sex pests" working at the educational institution, where students reside on site.[4][5][6] In 2015, ten students submitted formal complaints of verbal sexual harassment by one Fellow. The outcome of these complaints was that the Fellow was asked to withdraw permanently from further teaching and from attending any social events at which students might be present. The College reports that both parties were content with this outcome*. However, in 2017 the Fellow was mistakenly invited to an event in College which students attended. An independent review of the matter followed**. In 2019 a formal agreement as to what events the Fellow could attend was approved by the Governing Body. However, some students and alumni expressed upset that he remained an Emeritus Fellow of the College. The College issued a formal statement regarding the individual’s emeritus fellowship[7][8]*. The Fellow in question then resigned. Human rights barrister Dr Charlotte Proudman said "The College has given fellows a licence to abuse their power with impunity. Women students are not safe in their own colleges."[9], while The Guardian called it "a gross betrayal to the students" and "a dangerous environment for women students to study"[10].

* https://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/news/follow-up-to-statement-of-clarification-re-dr-peter-hutchinson/ 
** https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/dec/12/cambridge-don-peter-hutchinson-leaves-college-new-investigation-harassment-claims

[[User:THall|THall]] ([[User talk:THall|talk]]) 11:45, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

== Undue Weight and Balance of Section ==

'''Allegations of Misconduct Section'''

While mention of these events may be informative, it appears to have significantly undue weight given that these events over 5 years (2015-2020) currently take up 25% of the total content (in bytes) of the article. This does not appear to represent a Neutral Point of View (NPOV). The College is 674 years old, yet events over these 4-5 years now comprise circa 35% of the textual content. 

No other Cambridge College wikipedia article has current (now past) events featured in this manner. Again, this seems to be contrary to a Neutral Point of View on undue weight. Edits of this content to trim the section appear to be repeatedly undone.

'''Plagiarism subsection'''

Secondly, the addition of the plagiarism allegations surrounding Dr. O'Reilly have little to do with the subject of the article given that O'Reilly was no longer a member or fellow of Trinity Hall when these allegations arose. They add nothing to the article and again seem to be propagating a negative and not neutral POV with at the very least undue weight. This information would be more appropriate on an article for Dr O'Reilly.

[[User:Antonenright|Antonenright]] ([[User talk:Antonenright|talk]]) 08:59, 25 September 2024 (UTC)