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==Change Track Title==

In the tracklisting, can "Pride" be edited to it's proper, full title of "Pride (In The Name of Love)"?

According to the official site it's not just called "Pride"
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== Wrong genre ==

Genre Grunge???? That's a joke in't it? I couldn't figure out how to change it though ... --[[User:84.159.52.97|84.159.52.97]] 01:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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:Rationale provided [[User:MelicansMatkin|MelicansMatkin]] ([[User talk:MelicansMatkin|talk]]) 17:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== Merge proposal ==

A song from this album have been tagged for merging here.  This article fails [[WP:MUSIC]]:

{{quote|''Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song. Songs that have been '''ranked''' on national or significant music charts, that have won '''significant awards''' or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; permanent stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album.''}}

If [[4th of July (U2 song)]] has charted, received any awards, been featured in major films or TV shows or anything else that makes them notable according to [[WP:MUSIC]], please update these articles (with references) and remove the {{tl:mergeto}} tag.  Otherwise, please merge them into this article for the album.
:Could you please list the songs from this album that you would like to see merged? [[User:MelicansMatkin|MelicansMatkin]] ([[User talk:MelicansMatkin|talk]]) 16:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::[[4th of July (U2 song)]]--[[User:Rtphokie|Rtphokie]] ([[User talk:Rtphokie|talk]]) 17:07, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

==Post-punk?==
This seems like the last album in U2's catalog that you can hear clear [[post-punk]] influences. "Pride" and "Wire" both have really hard-hitting guitar and that fast drumming that you hear in a lot of post-punk songs. Even "The Unforgettable Fire" has post-punk influences, featuring U2's most prominent use of synthesizer. I think it could be included as a secondary genre. [[User:Y2kcrazyjoker4|Y2kcrazyjoker4]] ([[User talk:Y2kcrazyjoker4|talk]]) 20:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:Pretty much every online retailer (Amazon.com, MTV, etc.) lists the album under "post-punk" (and many call it "new wave", as well). Since the band was already considered a post-punk band, wouldn't it just be reasonable to call this album post-punk as well? [[User:Y2kcrazyjoker4|Y2kcrazyjoker4]] ([[User talk:Y2kcrazyjoker4|talk]]) 04:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Pride titling ==

My copy of ''The Unforgettable Fire'' lists its most famous track as simply "Pride", not "Pride (In the Name of Love)"; the latter title seems to be a later invention from what I can tell. Shouldn't the track list in this article reflect that? [[Special:Contributions/69.154.185.205|69.154.185.205]] ([[User talk:69.154.185.205|talk]]) 19:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:Nope; the tracklisting on the single calls the song "[http://www.u2.com/music/index.php?album_id=27&type=all_singles Pride (In the Name of Love]", and U2.com lists the track as "Pride (In the Name of Love)" in the [http://www.u2.com/music/lyrics.php?mode=list lyrics] section. It is also listed as "Pride (In the Name of Love)" on the Best of 1980-1990 and U218 Singles. "Pride" is simply a shortened version of the song name, much like how "Where the Streets Have No Name" is commonly called just "Streets" by fans. [[User:MelicansMatkin|MelicansMatkin]] ([[User talk:MelicansMatkin|talk]]) 21:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::But that ignores the essence of my point. Whatever various later releases, or even the single, might call it, on the album ''this article is about'' it is simply "Pride". That is not comparable to fan-generated slang, it's as "official" as it gets. [[Special:Contributions/69.154.185.205|69.154.185.205]] ([[User talk:69.154.185.205|talk]]) 05:19, 18 February 2009 (UTC) ''Addendum'': Also, I just noticed the page ''you linked to'', on the band's own site, simply uses "Pride" as well. (And on the single sleeve, which ''does'' have the longer title, there are no parentheses. The streets may have no name, but this song seems to have at least three!)
:::Look at the tracklist; it clearly says "Pride (In the Name of Love". [[User:MelicansMatkin|MelicansMatkin]] ([[User talk:MelicansMatkin|talk]]) 23:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::'''Edit:''' Ah, I'm sorry, I misunderstood your point. While the full name of the song is "Pride (In the Name of Love)", you are correct that the album's liner notes refers to it simply as "Pride". And yes, this track has been referred to in several different ways by the band in the past, including as "In the Name of Love." I'm changing the article now as per your observation. Apologies again for my misunderstanding. [[User:MelicansMatkin|MelicansMatkin]] ([[User talk:MelicansMatkin|talk]]) 00:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I have the original vinyl LP as distributed in the US, bought at the time of its release, and it says "Pride (In the name of love)" on both the outer back cover and the inner sleeve and "Pride (In The Name Of Love)" on the record label.  [[User:Wasted Time R|Wasted Time R]] ([[User talk:Wasted Time R|talk]]) 23:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
:Hm, they must have changed it for the CD then for whatever reason. But as the vinyl release has precedence, I'll alter it back. [[User:MelicansMatkin|MelicansMatkin]] <small>([[User talk:MelicansMatkin|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/MelicansMatkin|contributions]])</small> 23:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Info ==

[http://pitchfork.com/news/36883-brian-eno-and-daniel-lanois-remember-the-making-of-u2s-iunforgettable-firei/] [[User:MelicansMatkin|MelicansMatkin]] <small>([[User talk:MelicansMatkin|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/MelicansMatkin|contributions]])</small> 02:06, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
:Interesting enough - perhaps some of the stuff should be included. An anon editor added info from it, which i did not remove. But I must admit I wasn't sorry to see it [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Unforgettable_Fire&action=historysubmit&diff=322343941&oldid=322324024 removed by Crazyjoker]. ON the other hand, perhaps it is correct - I'd just never heard that the Simple Minds album was inspiration for UF. I haven't listened to the album for years. THere's still plenty more expansion I'd like to do here, and I can consider this Pitchfork interview as well as my other sources. cheers --[[User:Merbabu|Merbabu]] ([[User talk:Merbabu|talk]]) 20:49, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
::Some of it may be useful, but the edit I removed was hastily added in and would better have been served with a complete re-write instead of the massive copy-edit that it needed. [[User:Y2kcrazyjoker4|Y2kcrazyjoker4]] ([[User talk:Y2kcrazyjoker4|talk]]) 20:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

==Can Anybody...???==
Can anybody edit the article, add some Trivia?? Not trivia, seems like useless... well the case is... No one told the part of the song The Unforgettable Fire when Larry said "Oh, Shit!"[[User:Ali Hewson|Ali Hewson]] ([[User talk:Ali Hewson|talk]]) 14:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

== Keyboards? ==

In the third paragraph of the "Recording and Production" section it states "Keyboards were used for the first time on a U2 album, with a Fairlight CMI used to work up a number of songs, the textures of which were later filled out with strings and other orchestration." However, keyboards were used on at least one other previous U2 album, in "New Year's Day" from ''War''.  Am I misinterpreting the sentence?  I don't really want to make a change yet, because I feel that the person who wrote this undoubtedly knows more than me about this topic, and I might be missing something. [[User:Norahw|Norah]] ([[User talk:Norahw|talk]]) 04:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

: Perhaps the writer meant "sampling" instead of "keyboards"? -[[User:Ashley Pomeroy|Ashley Pomeroy]] ([[User talk:Ashley Pomeroy|talk]]) 15:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Cover photo ==
I had always assumed that the cover image was an [[infrared photography|infrared photograph]] - it has the black sky, glowing foliage - but the article mentions a "polarising filter technique", which wouldn't be appropriate for infrared. There isn't a reference either way. Is it an infrared image? -[[User:Ashley Pomeroy|Ashley Pomeroy]] ([[User talk:Ashley Pomeroy|talk]]) 15:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

:The section about the cover photo currently says that Anton Corbijn used the same "solarised filter technique" that Simon Marsden used for the cover of "In Ruins: The Once Great Houses of Ireland". Photographers who are familiar with black & white techniques may notice that neither photo appears to use a "solarised filter technique". Rather, it appears that Marsden used infrared film, which makes green foliage appear unusually bright. It's possible that Corbijn also used infrared film. However, it's possible that Corbijn used a red filter instead. The grass is notably darker in Corbijn's photograph than in Marsden's, suggesting that it may not be an infrared photo. The band members appear to be overly bright in Corbijn's photo, which may be an effect of infrared film or overexposure. Either way, neither photographer appears to have used solarization. Examples of solarization are shown in Wikipedia's article on the [[Sabattier effect]]. [[Special:Contributions/69.114.93.199|69.114.93.199]] ([[User talk:69.114.93.199|talk]]) 03:03, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

::Thanks for the note. We don't have a cited reference saying exactly what technique was used, but we don't have to put "solarized" in there when it is plainly wrong. So I made it more general, removing the solarization bit. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 04:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

== Infobox for the video collection ==

'''Include?''' I am in favor of keeping an infobox for the video collection. [[User:Merbabu]] is opposed. I'm sure that he and I would both be willing to explain further if anyone is interested. Thoughts? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 09:13, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

:I`m not a merger but the way i see it the video collection is an entire different entity, no reason why it shouldn`t  have its own box. [[User:Zidane tribal|Zidane tribal]] ([[User talk:Zidane tribal|talk]]) 22:05, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
::An info box should be for an article - not different topics within an article. If the video is noteworthy enough to have it's own article, then fine - of course it can have an info box. But, personally I'm not even sure that the video is even notable enough to have it's own ''section'' within this article. Previously, the now Feature Article [[Achtung Baby]] had a separate section for it's equally non-notable accompanying video release ''and'' an info box. It's long been consensus (and may have been specifically confirmed at the FAC - I cannot remember) that a separate info box in that article (a much better article than this one) was of no benefit. Indeed, in this article it is large, pushes blocks of text down the page exposing white space, draws undue attention to relatively trivial release, and is generally ugly. These points far outweigh any benefit a clickable "chronology" may provide (the chronology falls over anyway by the end of the 1980s and how do we know if it's used anyway?). All the info is repeated in the section anyway. It seems really odd having an info box mid article. --[[User:Merbabu|Merbabu]] ([[User talk:Merbabu|talk]]) 01:08, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

:::I don't really see the display problems that [[User:Merbabu|Merbabu]] mentions in his comments, nor do I feel that the video collection is non-notable. I actually don't have strong feelings for or against, but I don't see a compelling argument here for removing the infobox. If a compromise needed to be reached, I think that a clickable chronolgy would be acceptable - but I don't see where this discussion has reached that point yet. Just my 2p. <b>[[User:Radiopathy|<span style="color:#006600;">R</span><span style="color:#0D8147;">ad</span><span style="color:#009966;">io</span><span style="color:#009999;">pa</span><span style="color:#1E99CC;">th</span><span style="color:#67B2DE;">y</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Radiopathy|•talk•]]   02:55, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

::::Yeah, same here; I don't see any particular need for the infobox, but I certainly don't see any reason to get rid of it. Merbabu, having an infobox mid-article is actually quite common. In particular, songs which have been recorded by multiple artists, where more than one version is notable, typically have infoboxes for each notable version. (After all, having separate articles for each version would be unwieldy and confusing, but the need for an infobox for each version is as strong as if they all did have separate articles.) I've seen the accompanying video for an album have its own infobox on more than one occasion, too.--[[User:Martin IIIa|Martin IIIa]] ([[User talk:Martin IIIa|talk]]) 13:23, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

== Tone issues ==

'''Explanation needed''' I removed {{tl|Magazine}} because I didn't see what the problems were with the article as it stands. Feel free to explain any tone issues here and I'd be happy to help address them. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 18:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

== Orphaned references in [[:The Unforgettable Fire]] ==

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<b>Reference named "Christgau":</b><ul>
<li>From [[Born in the U.S.A.]]: {{cite news|last=Christgau|first=Robert|authorlink=Robert Christgau|date=June 26, 1984|url=http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/cg/cgv6-84.php|title=Consumer Guide|newspaper=[[The Village Voice]]|location=New York|accessdate=July 8, 2013}}</li>
<li>From [[The Joshua Tree]]: {{cite news|last=Christgau|first=Robert|authorlink=Robert Christgau|date=5 May 1987|url=http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/cg/cgv5-87.php|title=Christgau's Consumer Guide|newspaper=[[The Village Voice]]|location=New York|accessdate=27 May 2013}}</li>
<li>From [[Here Come the Warm Jets]]: {{cite web |url=http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist2.php?id=190 |title=Robert Christgau: CG: Artist 190 |last=Christgau |first=Robert |authorlink=Robert Christgau |website=robertchristgau.com |accessdate=21 December 2014}}</li>
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