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==Untitled==
In the American TV series Jeremiah (typo?) a man made virus or some micro-organism has killed all of the adult population and the only remaining human beings who where not effected by the disease where children.
The plot is happening several years after the catastrophe and has, in it's own way, a war between "Good" versus "Bad".
I never have read the whole book, only started reading, but I see some similarities.

Also, the adolescent-aimed TV series from Australia or New-Zealand named The Clan had the exact scenario of Jeremiah, a virus have wiped out all of the adults or the world, the difference is of the budget, quality of actors, excessive amount of wasteful makeup, hair-dues and fashion accessories (They are trying to survive an holocaust, aren't they...?) and the amount of time after the bug have killed all of adult population. (The children in the world of Jeremiah are now but The Clan starts when adults are still dying, if I'm not mistaking)

I think you are talking about a show called The Tribe.  Your description of The Clan"is and exact description of the The Tribe, so unless The Tribe has an alternate title, I'm pretty sure you just got the titles mixed up.

NOTE: There is a huge literature of post-apocalypse stories, of which [[The Stand]] and [[Jeremiah_(series)]] are part. That they recapitulate some similar themes and scenarios is to be expected. See [[post-apocalypse_Earth]] [[User:VJDocherty|VJDocherty]] 01:38, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

==SciFi/Horror?==

"The Stand" is not a "Scifi/Horror" novel; it is best described as a post-apocalytic fantasy.  Yes, some horror elements are present, but not in the John Saul/Dean Koontz or 19th/early 20th-century sense.  King isn't, and never has been, a standard horror novelist, and he doesn't bother with SciFi conventions.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.72.94.110|68.72.94.110]] ([[User talk:68.72.94.110|talk]]) 23:27, 10 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Decimated?==
To "decimate" is to reduce by ten percent. I haven't read the book in years, but seem to remember that something like ''90%'' of the people die. Somebody who knows, please change it. [[User:Rbmoore|R]] 07:32, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

:It's funny: I was reading about this in [[Decimation]] just this morning, but for another reason. Apparently, while decimation used to mean "to reduce by 10%", it now has a meaning which means more like "to vastly reduce", in the sense of "leaving a tenth or less". So "decimation" is an okay word here as long as we use its modern meaning rather than its [[Latin |Roman]] meaning.

:[[User:Atlant|Atlant]] 18:55, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
::Fire comment my sigma
::I'm being playful, and as much as language changes over time, relying on colloquialism on what is or has been an encyclopedia is a surefire way to utterly undermine the purpose of the platform. The Simple English wiki would be a better place to have an incorrect usage of word decimate (Although just having "most people died" would be better suited). A similar example would be "hence why" - it might be intuited readily by the recipient, but it's not correct to any extent. I know I'm replying to something from nearly two decades ago, but a lot more people hold the original Roman definition as the meaning now than they did in 2005.
::[[Special:Contributions/125.237.32.154|125.237.32.154]] ([[User talk:125.237.32.154|talk]]) [[Special:Contributions/125.237.32.154|125.237.32.154]] ([[User talk:125.237.32.154|talk]]) 12:23, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There were two inclusions of "decimate" in the article.
:::The first was changed from {{tq|decimates}} to {{tq|all but wipes out}} in {{diff|The Stand|427767565|426737814|this May 2011 edit}} made after the original comment & reply in 2005. That is thus moor.
:::The second is part of a Stephen King quote in which he imprecisely uses it in the phrase {{tq|set in a plague-decimated USA}}. Due to the [[MOS:PMC|principle of minimal change]] guideline in the [[MOS:MOS|Manual of Style]], {{tq|the wording of the quoted text must be faithfully reproduced.}}
:::{{Wiktionary-inline|decimate}} does note its origin from {{tq|''[[wiktionary:decimare#Latin|decimāre]]'' (“to [[wiktionary:take|take]] or [[wiktionary:offer|offer]] a [[wiktionary:tenth|tenth]] [[wiktionary:part|part]]”)}}, but then notes in one of the definitions {{tq|([[wiktionary:Appendix:Glossary#loosely|loosely]]) To [[wiktionary:devastate#English|devastate]]: to [[wiktionary:reduce#English|reduce]] or destroy [[wiktionary:significantly#English|significantly]] but not [[wiktionary:completely#English|completely]].}} [[User:Peaceray|Peaceray]] ([[User talk:Peaceray|talk]]) 17:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)



==Minor Change==
"The publishing history of the book is unique in that"

Deleted above, as The Stand is not the only book to be re-released in an expanded edition. Stranger in a Strange Land comes to mind right away.
[[User:Jordoh|Jordoh]] 00:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

:I believe "unique" is fair here; SiaSL (nor any other book I know of) did not have a changed timeframe or other similar changes.  [[User:Jgm|Jgm]] 02:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

==Another Minor Change==
In the description of the character Larry Underwood, I've deleted 'but not before warning him of the walking man' when describing the events surrounding his mother's death. As far as I recall, this never happened in the book (either version) only in the film adaption, where she tells him to 'watch out for the dark man'. If anyone can identify the exact sentence in the book where Larry receives this warning, then by all means change it back., but otherwise this should be deleted as inaccurate since other adaptions of the plot for the film are not mentioned (e.g. the Rita Blakemore/Nadine Cross characters being merged, the Deitz/Elder characters being merged, Ray Booth being imprisonned etc etc). Also, while Larry's mother died in his arms at home in the film, in the book she died on a cot in a corridor in Mercy Hosptial while Larry crouched on the floor next to her. I've therefore deleted 'in his arms' for the same reason.--[[User:86.27.52.203|86.27.52.203]] 22:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

==Separate miniseries==

I'd like to make a seperate, detailed page for the miniseries and would really appreciate the help of King fans to add any differences between the novel and minseries or reaction to it. [[User:Mrblondnyc|MrBlondNYC]] 11:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

:[[WP:BB|Be bold]] and go for it!

:The two biggest differences I can think of:

:*"The Kid" is missing from the miniseries. I guess TV just isn't very comfortable with the concept of homosexual rape by sadistic psychopaths.

:*In the TV miniseries, Nadine Cross takes on the role served by two separate women in the book. In the Book, Larry has an older female companion when leaving Manhattan; she later commits suicide using a drug overdose. It's after that that Larry meets Nadine (and she's the one who has "Joe" tagging along with her.

:There are lots of other changes that are just the typical TV plot-and-cast compression, but the foldiing-in to form the TV version of Nadine Cross is the only one that jumps out at me.

:[[User:Atlant|Atlant]] 12:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 
:* Not huge, but with the crazy girl (Julie Lawry) Nick and Tom meet, Nick had sex with her apparently and she smokes Mary Jane.

:[[User:ASDFGHJKL|ASDFGHJKL]] 18:26, 31 July 2006 (EST)

::Thanks for the help! I'll get started on it as soon as I can. [[User:Mrblondnyc|MrBlondNYC]] 22:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

:::(I've added Julie Lawry's name to [[User:ASDFGHJKL|ASDFGHJKL]]'s post above. [[User:Atlant|Atlant]] 22:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC))

:* i just finished watching the mini they didn"t focus alot on the media and other things that happened right after the superflu struck --[[User:ASDFGHJKL|ASDFGHJKL]] 14:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:* It's possible that The Kid was deleted from the mini-series not because TV was uncomfortable with the concept of homosexual rape, but also because the adaptation was from the original novel, and The Kid is really only a character of any depth at all in the uncut novel.    I'm sure it was hard enough to try to adapt the novel to a reasonable length without going to an even longer version of the source material. - johandav  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Johandav|Johandav]] ([[User talk:Johandav|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Johandav|contribs]]) 17:07, 5 April 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Where are the Judge and Tom Cullen?==

I've taken the liberty of adding a brief thumbnail for the Judge, and a space for Tom Cullen which I'll fill in later today.  I've also fleshed out Harold Lauder and corrected some grammatical and stylistic errors. [[User:Stile4aly|Stile4aly]] 19:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

:M-O-O-N, that spells "Thanks!"; both deserved mention.

:[[User:Atlant|Atlant]] 23:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've put in some info on Tom Cullen, as well as Ralph Brentner who was also missing.  I've reordered the listing of characters into what seems to be a better flow, and deleted a few minor characters (were Campion, Elder, Ellis, and Jesse so important that they deserved mention?)[[User:Stilealy|Stile4aly]] 18:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

:::I'd probably argue that Campion, as "Captain Trips Case Zero" deserved mention. Without his work, where would the story have been? ;-)

:::[[User:Atlant|Atlant]] 19:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Good point, I've put Campion back in unchanged from the prior entry.
::::[[User:Stilealy|Stile4aly]] 18:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

:this may be a minor point, and no one might ever see this, but I just finished reading the book during the second week of July, 2007.  I noticed no mention of "the judge" being a black man in the novel, although he appears to have been in the film.  Maybe I just missed it, but I don't think so.
:--[[User:Sommermatt|Sommermatt]] 07:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

== Spoiler ==

the first paragraph contains an unmarked spoiler (the part about characters destined to take a stand against flagg). i'm going to remove it and if someone wants it back in then put it in a separate section (preferably titled film) then do that and mark it for possible spoilers. --[[User:Scott w|Scott w]] 20:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

== ...not to have been made into a theatrical feature film... ==
What about {{imdb title|id=0108941|title=The Stand}} then? 
This is a major feature starring Gary Sinise. Why not mention that in the article?
-- [[User:84.58.179.82|84.58.179.82]] 22:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

:It was made for TV. IMDB also lists made-for-TV movies.

:[[User:Atlant|Atlant]] 00:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


the page makes it seem as if there is a TV version of the stand and also a theatrical release version....... which is not true <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:75.65.129.115|75.65.129.115]] ([[User talk:75.65.129.115|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.65.129.115|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:[[WP:BOLD|Be bold]] then, and fix it!  I'll come back when I have time and see how I might be able to help.  (John [[User:Jwy]] [[User talk:Jwy|talk]]) 16:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

== Minor Edit ==

''"(for example always spreads rumors about how it got cold early in the year in Boulder in 1984)."''

In this part of the "Trivia" section it looks to me as though a name was left out; "for example --- always spreads rumors..."

I haven't read the book, so could someone who has please correct this. Thanks. — {{User2|James.S}} 17:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


== Am I the only one... ==

...who thinks the Crimson King really isn't mentioned in the book at all?  I mean, King has said he almost never writes from an outline, so the idea of him envisioning the Crimson King about three years before he ever mentioned him by name is a little silly to me.  And that's assuming Glen's dreams were brand new for the Uncut edition--if they were in the original version, then that's over a decade before the Crimson King was even mentioned by name.  There's also some pretty damn strong allusions to the red-eyed figure on the cliff being Flagg--note that right after Glen described this dream to Stu, Stu had a dream with an identical figure in it, and several of the other characters did as well; yet it's apparent from the text that these are all the dark man, not someone else.

Personally, I don't think the Crimson King should be mentioned here at all. [[User:Ours18|Ours18]] 05:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

: I'm inclined to agree; I can't remember the details exactly, but [http://www.thedarktower.net/wiki/Main/TheStand TowerWiki] doesn't go as far to assert Crimson King references either. The red eye similarity may be the only thing worthy of note. [[User:Pomte|Pomte]] 01:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

== On the Boarder/On the Border ==

What is part 2 called officially? If I recall correctly the copy I read said On the Boarder, but I talked to someone whose copy says On the Border, so I figured it was a misprint. [[User:Pomte|Pomte]] 06:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
:In my copy of the complete and uncut edition Book II is called "On the Border." - [[User:Skinny McGee|Skinny McGee]] 16:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
::Same here. [[User:Ours18|Ours18]] 17:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
::: My Hodder and Staunton 1989 copy, and "The Stand: The Complete And Uncut Edition" Random House 1993 copy (both dog-eared to death) say 'On the Border.' <br />Ummm... see [[Border|border]] and [[Boarder|boarder]] --[[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] 14:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

My copy says "On the Boarder."  I suppose different editions have different versions.  [[User:Ccm043|Ccm043]] 16:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
: Compare [[Google]] of [http://www.google.com.au/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=+%22On+the+Boarder%22+%22Stephen+King%22+%22The+Stand%22&btnG=Search&meta=  "On the Boarder" "Stephen King" "The Stand"] with [http://www.google.com.au/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=+%22On+the+Border%22+%22Stephen+King%22+%22The+Stand%22&btnG=Search&meta=   "On the Border" "Stephen King" "The Stand".] <br /> [[Res_ipsa_loquitur|I suggest]] that it's [[Tony_Lockett|Res ipsa toni loquitur]]...--[[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] 13:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
What does the above have to do with Tony Lockett? [[User:Phenalot|Phenalot]] ([[User talk:Phenalot|talk]]) 01:40, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Who is Tony Lockett and what does ''he'' have to do with ''The Stand''? --[[User:Thunderbuster|Thunderbuster]] ([[User talk:Thunderbuster|talk]]) 03:07, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

In the Trivia section, it says that Stephen King had a case of writer's block which he solved by including the bomb.  However, there is no reference given for this.  There should be a reference given for this statement or it should be removed. [[User:Ccm043|Ccm043]] 16:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
:He said this in ''On Writing''.--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] 20:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you have this reference handy?  Could you cite it in the article?  [[User:Ccm043|Ccm043]] 04:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

== The Audiobook: Is there a ''The Stand: The Complete & Uncut Edition'' audiobook? ==

I know there was the 23 cassette version released around 1987 narrated by Grover Gardner (which would have been the original/"cut" version).   What about the 1990 "'''Complete & Uncut version'''"? Are there any audiobook versions of that? Have any versions been released on CD? [[User:Antmusic|Antmusic]] 23:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

>> More like 18 CDs.   It's a long book.

There is one, but it was recorded by the American Printing House for the Blind, read by Bruce Huntey (Hunty?) - I have a copy but it is in a pretty low bitrate MP3 format.  I'd love them to release this commercially.


There is now an audiobook of the uncut version available through Audible Audio. I am currently listening to it (I have read the book three times) and the audiobook version is very good. It should be noted here that it's available as an audiobook  [[User:Alanasings|Alanasings]] ([[User talk:Alanasings|talk]]) 17:10, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

== Book cover ==

I know its the first edition but can we get a different picture for the article? --[[User:ISeeDeadPixels|ISeeDeadPixels]] 22:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)



== Date of the events in the original version? ==
The article currently reads "changed the setting of the novel from 1975 to 1990" -- I could swear the original events were 1980 or 1981. When the book came out and I read it (I was in school then) the plague dates were still in the future, or so I recall. (I remember when the dates came along in the real world, thinking "this is when Captain Trips arrived in The Stand.") At least they were after the publication date, because it would be odd to write a book of this nature with a date already in the past. Unfortunately the only copy I own is the Uncut version with the new dates (and wow, they did a crappy, half-assed job of updating it -- so many anachronisms. I don't know why they bothered), so I can't verify what the original one said. A quick Google search didn't help much. Can someone with access to the original version check this? [[User:ManekiNeko|ManekiN]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:ManekiNeko|ko]] | [[User_talk:ManekiNeko|Talk]] 23:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
*Yes, you are definitely correct. Changed. --[[User:Cal42|Cal42]] 19:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! [[User:ManekiNeko|ManekiN]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">e</span>]][[User:ManekiNeko|ko]] | [[User_talk:ManekiNeko|Talk]] 14:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


Whne it was first published in 1978 the date for the plague was 1980. When the paperback edition came out in 1980 the date was moved up to 1985. That version was reprinted periodically until 1988. The date of 1985 was never changed which made for a strange disconnect. Finally when the "Director's  Cut" was released in 1989 the date was 1990 and though the uncut version has been reprinted several times it has remained 1990. Guess it takes place in an alternate timeline. [[User:Thunderbuster|Thunderbuster]] ([[User talk:Thunderbuster|talk]]) 14:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks for pointing this out. In the article though, the introduction says only that the original timeline was set in 1985 whereas the section on anachronisms in the updated version only states the 1980 setting of the first edition. Could you please elaborate that sections with those details? --[[Special:Contributions/92.75.4.225|92.75.4.225]] ([[User talk:92.75.4.225|talk]]) 10:12, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure thing. --[[User:Thunderbuster|Thunderbuster]] ([[User talk:Thunderbuster|talk]]) 23:36, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

==Kojak==
Another editor deleted the entry on Kojak from the list of characters.  I've re-inserted it for now because I believe he was significant in the story and, therefore, warrants inclusion even though he is a dog.  I seem to recall some parts of the story were told from his perspective (at least in the uncut version).  What do you think?  Should he stay or should he go? - [[User:Skinny McGee|Skinny McGee]] 15:29, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

:Kojak must stay on the list. That chapter from his point of view is one of my favorite parts of the book. [[User:Jeffrywith1e|Jeffrywith1e]] 10:32, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

::Maybe the person doing the deletion only watched the miniseries ;-).

::[[User:Atlant|Atlant]] 11:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== Wikilinks in headings ==

Since the articles about characters are redirected to the article about the book/TV event, can we safely remove the links from the headings of the character sections?
[[User:Bolman Deal|Bolman Deal]] 19:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

: Yes, all links should be removed because the character descriptions here suffice, and I don't think any of the characters are notable enough for their own articles except [[Randall Flagg]] per [[WP:FICT]]. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 23:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Survivors]] ==

The british TV series [[Survivors]] by Terry Nation (of Dr. Who fame) shares an incredible number of similarities to The Stand - see its Wikipedia article to see what I mean. Esentially it's a post-apocalyptic scenario where a virus wipes out 99.9 percent of humanity, and follows the survivors on a quest to rebuild society. The series ran from 1975-1977 and The Stand was published in 1978. Some of the supporting characters are almost identical, as well as themes of benevolent vs. opressive societies (though no supernatural themes). I think it would be worth putting in a note suggesting King was likely inspired by this series, but I'm not sure where to stick it. Any suggestions, comments? [[User:Toaster917|Toaster917]] 23:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)toaster917

: Any [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that say King was inspired by Survivors? Although some similarities are obvious, the article can't have a claim that is too speculative. –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 23:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Pomte. I know that King lived in England for a relatively short while in 1977. It is very plausible that he saw the episodes of the original [[Survivors]], but by then the novel was complete and being edited. There was also a made for television movie that aired originally in October 1974 on one of the U.S. networks called ''[[Where Have All the People Gone]]'' starring [[Peter Graves]]. It was about a solar flare that caused a dormant virus within Human bodies to activate and then destroyed probably 99% of the population. Only those who were protected by some type of shielding survived. It also has some elements in common with ''The Stand'' and I understand that the movie was popular and aired several times over the next few years. I have no doubt that King probably watched this television movie (though it is still speculation) and it is also plausible that he made some changes to his novel based on inspiration that he might have gotten from the television production. King finished ''The Stand'' in February 1975. But he didn't turn it over to the publisher until 1977. I would imagine he made some changes during the time between completion and turning the manuscript over to Doubleday. But it is all speculation. --[[User:Thunderbuster|Thunderbuster]] ([[User talk:Thunderbuster|talk]]) 23:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

==Trivia==
Much of the stuff in Trivia seems to be worthy of better treatment in the article.  A section on "the writing of..." that covers the writer's block.  The books relation ship to the Dark Tower.  The differences between the two editions. (John [[User:Jwy]] [[User talk:Jwy|talk]]) 01:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:I took a shot.  I'm not completely satisfied with it - and we need some citations, but I think its a good start. (John [[User:Jwy]] [[User talk:Jwy|talk]]) 01:37, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

== Julie Lawry ==

can someone add some info on Julie please?

Ok We really need information on Julie Lawry, she was a charcter too so would it be so simple for someone to add something please  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{IP|{{{User|71.226.117.18}}}}}}|{{{IP|{{{User|71.226.117.18}}}}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{IP|{{{User|71.226.117.18}}}}}}|talk]]) {{{Time|03:18, August 25, 2007 (UTC)}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Dark Tower question ==

In my work on the '''[[Portal:The Dark Tower|Dark Tower portal]]''', I have created a list of books connected to the Dark Tower lore. In my own mind, as a reader, I have always felt that, within the scope of the saga of Roland Deschain, '''''The Stand''''' and '''''The Stand: The Complete and Uncut Edition''''' are separate incidents, used to highlight that there are "other worlds than these" which might be considered so similar as to be almost indiscernible from one another. To me, this was underscored in the Dark Tower novel, '''''[[Wizard and Glass]]''''', when the ka-tet stumbles into a parallel Kansas and finds a newspaper discussing yet a third date for "Captain Tripps" (the original novel took place in 1980, and the rewrite in 1990; the date on the newspaper in ''W&G'' is 1996). Regardless of what King may have originally intended, art is interpretative once it is made public (just look at how people interpret the works of [[DaVinci]]).

I post this here, because what I interpret in my own reading is one thing, but to actually write it that way in encyclopedic form may not appropriate. Any thoughts, anyone?  [[User:Michealb1969|Michealb1969]] 09:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

==== This is incorrect. The date on the paper in W&G is 1986, not 1996. That said, I agree with the theory that the Kansas encountered in W&G is not the one from The Stand, but a similarly affected Kansas.

==I agree completely. The different dates of the Captain Tripps disasters suggest that these could have been three unique events on three unique levels of the Tower. However, I also agree that it is non-encyclopedic for us to include it based on this, albeit interesting, hypothesis.[[User:ROG 19|ROG 19]] 17:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

=Randall Flagg and other elements of ''The Stand'' also appear in [[The Dark Tower (series)|''The Dark Tower'' series]]: the superflu, explicitly named as "Captain Trips", is said to be what killed all the inhabitants of a parallel Kansas in ''[[The Dark Tower IV: Wizard and Glass]]'', Abagail Freemantle is mentioned as being on a quest "near parallel" to [[Roland Deschain]]’s quest in ''Wizard and Glass''.

==Definitely different tower levels - 'Night Surf' has Captain Tripps references that are clearly to a different type of flu as well. [[User:Leafschik1967|Leafschik1967]] 18:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

== Donald Elbert ==
This page redirects from Donald Elbert.  Donald Elbert is listed under the University of Louisville People page as the inventor of Astro Turf and links to this page.
[[User:136.165.111.184|136.165.111.184]] 20:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:I removed the link from [[List of University of Louisville people]].  The actual Donald Elbert mentioned in the list does not have an article. - [[User:Skinny McGee|Skinny McGee]] 21:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

== Arnette, Texas ==

The main article states that Arnette, Texas is a fictional town.  Below that is a photograph of a shack with the label Arnette, Texas.  If it is fictional, should the picture be removed or at least a more appropriate title be given, like "Rural Texan town, similar to the fictional town of Arnette"? [[User:Kwyjibear|Kwyjibear]] 19:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

:There's some equally fictional liberties taken with real geography.  I-80 doesn't go through either Idaho or Oregon, while Brighton CO is on the opposite side of I-25 from Boulder. [[User:Mr Larrington|Mr Larrington]] ([[User talk:Mr Larrington|talk]]) 12:13, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Internal evidence suggests that it is near Hempstead:  Highway 290, the (then) location of the 713 area code, and proximity to the old TI factory.  Just throwing it out there. [[User:Afalbrig|Afalbrig]] ([[User talk:Afalbrig|talk]]) 14:12, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

==Agagail/Abigail==

Interesting.  Does the second version change the spelling of the name?  I have the first version and its Abagail. (John [[User:Jwy]] [[User talk:Jwy|talk]]) 15:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
:In the 'complete and uncut' edition her name is spelled 'Abagail'. - [[User:Skinny McGee|Skinny McGee]] 16:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

:If another fan is willing, I'd love to see more in the article about Abagail, with a separate page about her. I have only seen the TV series and have not read the book and would not be able to give an authoritative account. [[User:Wabatl|Wabatl]] ([[User talk:Wabatl|talk]]) 16:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC) [[User:wabat;|wabatl]] ([[User talk:wabatl|talk]])
::Previously Mother Abagail was merged into this article precisely because there wasn't enough material published about her in third-party sources for her to merit her own article. If that's changed, cool, but I'll admit upfront that I'm pretty dubious. [[User:Doniago|Doniago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 18:52, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

==Randall Flagg==

The article stated previously the evil is represented by logic, rationality, law and order and technology in King's vision. But Flagg(evil) doesn't represent them; he will attract those whom he needs most, but that DOES NOT MEAN he represents those things. He participated in anti-government moves, he's irrational and driven by impulse(he threw Nadine out of the window) and he uses magic. he rather attracts those who like destruction and power.
[[User:Minsiko|Minsiko]] ([[User talk:Minsiko|talk]]) 05:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

From the main article:

"An amnesia-stricken Flagg wakes up on a beach somewhere in the South Pacific, having somehow escaped the atomic blast in Vegas by using his dark magic."

That's not quite how I interpreted the ending of the novel. Rather I was under the impression that Randall Flagg had been physically utterly vaporized in Vegas, and was in this scene re-appearing on Earth perhaps hundreds of years later. The survivors in Boulder, Colorado, having gradually abandoned the trappings of civilization and faded into the wilderness gave rise to descendants who live as simple savages. I don't think it was necessarily the South Pacific in which Flagg awoke - it may have been the California coastline perhaps a relatively short distance away from the remains of Vegas.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Solutrean|Solutrean]] ([[User talk:Solutrean|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Solutrean|contribs]]) 13:43, 1 October 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Long quote re: Earth Abides ==

This quote is too long, and needs a reference. [[User:Jgm|Jgm]] ([[User talk:Jgm|talk]]) 12:00, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

==Whitney Horgan==
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== Critical Reception? ==

I feel this article could be improved with a "Critical Reception" section.  I'd like to know what critics thought about the book and how it was received by the general public.  Any major literary awards won should also be mentioned. Near the beginning of the article it states that "Many critics and fans see 'The Stand' as King's best work".  Unfortunately there's no elaboration or references to back up that statement.  Many articles about specific works of art have a "Reception" section included and I think it nearly always makes the article better. If anyone has information regarding critical reception of "The Stand" please include it in this article! [[User:Toadspring|Toadspring]] ([[User talk:Toadspring|talk]]) 21:48, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


== (Don't Fear) The Reaper ==

The article mentions the Blue Oyster Cult song "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" as having been inspired by The Stand. The song came out 2 years before the book was published. The only connection is that the song was used in the miniseries. [[User:Shaffer71|Shaffer71]] ([[User talk:Shaffer71|talk]]) 19:58, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

:And the final verse of the song is one of the quotations used as the epigraph for the novel. [[User:Ellsworth|Ellsworth]] ([[User talk:Ellsworth|talk]]) 03:24, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

== Popular Culture ==

I want to add a section about this book's connection to pop culture.  I noticed that the previous Pop culture section had been deleted.  I know that there are many references to ''The Stand'' but I really only know about the ''LOST'' connections.  Please feel free to add or change anything in this section.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lmk8191|Lmk8191]] ([[User talk:Lmk8191|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lmk8191|contribs]]) 17:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: Like Lmk8191 I believe that there are a number of Popular Culture references to '''The Stand''' out there, other than those in and around '''Lost'''.  I'm just reading ''The Drop'' by Michael Connelly and on page 196 of my ebook edition, the main character Harry Bosch asks his daughter what she's reading: "She held the book up so he could see it. It was '''The Stand''' by Stephen King."  A minor reference so therefore not worthy of a section in its own right, but worth tacking onto any other material that might be included. [[User:Perry Middlemiss|Perry Middlemiss]] ([[User talk:Perry Middlemiss|talk]]) 04:53, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

: The rock band The Alarm did a song called The Stand, based on the novel; "hey Trashcan, where you going boy, your eyes a feet apart" and "I swear he had no
face, I swear he had no name" are references to characters the Trashcan Man and Randall Flagg.

: Yeah, there are a lot of pop culture references, actually I was watching the mini and Larry's hit single stood out to me, I seem to recall a very similar song that Self released as a b-side, I type in the title, "Baby Can You Dig Your Man" boom I'm redirected here, but no mention of WHY that redirects here (that string occurs no where else on the page), a pop culture section could, say, explain that. I'm now 90% certain that Self did a cover of a song in The Stand, but no idea if it was in both the book and mini, and all I wanted was to bust an earworm, so any addition research will have to wait. Also to the prev poster, I formatted your reply as a reply to the OP so my post didn't look like a reply to your comment. [[User:Dried cherry|Dried cherry]] ([[User talk:Dried cherry|talk]]) 02:08, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

== Arrowsmith ==

The article says it's a typo for "[[Aerosmith]]". I'm more inclined to believe it's writing around trademarks rather than a typo. Is there any evidence either way? --[[User:Damian Yerrick|Damian Yerrick]] ([[User talk:Damian Yerrick|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Damian Yerrick|stalk]]) 15:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

== The Rat Man? ==

I've read the uncut book 3 or 4 times over the years, but I don't have any recolection of a character with a sword acting like a pirate. You sure he's in there? [[User:Herogamer|Herogamer]] ([[User talk:Herogamer|talk]]) 15:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

:I didn't remember him either, but:  [http://books.google.com/books?ei=GqIfTJX8D8GC8gaxhOTLDA&ct=result&id=GF2FjrTyE1sC&dq=inauthor:%22Stephen+King%22&q=%22Rat+Man%22#search_anchor google books] found him. --John ([[User:Jwy]]/[[User talk:Jwy|talk]]) 17:34, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

== Merger Proposal - Mother Abagail ==

Thoughts on moving the [[Mother Abagail]] article here? The existing article is little more than a stub with one source, and that article has numerous issues currently and doesn't seem likely to be substantially improved upon (I'm open to being proved wrong!). I suppose there's the separate issue of whether the character descriptions in this article are too crufty, but that isn't the intended focus of this discussion. [[User:Doniago|Doniago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 14:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:{{done}} [[User:Doniago|Doniago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 17:39, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article length/character section ==

This article is clearly too long, and it doesn't take much effort to see that most of this is because of the lengthy list of all the book's characters. If this is to remain it should be made into a "(list of) characters in The Stand" article. Even though I like a bit of synopsis/character info in book articles, clearly it shouldn't be the majority of the article. [[User:Richard001|Richard001]] ([[User talk:Richard001|talk]]) 13:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
:Looks like the first two sections of the plot summary have been simplified to remove references to individual characters. To make it consistent I will do that to the third section. [[User:Ellsworth|Ellsworth]] ([[User talk:Ellsworth|talk]]) 23:19, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Whats with all the "possibly killed" statements in regard to the end of the book? Is Wikipedia REALLY trying to suggest that a bunch of people (with 3 seconds warning) standing next to a nuclear weapon when it goes off have a chance of surviving? I mean come on.. its more realalistic to suggest that no one died during the plague and were all just faking.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/125.236.57.133|125.236.57.133]] ([[User talk:125.236.57.133|talk]]) 04:55, 6 October 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Captain Trips/Grateful Dead ==

Back in the Haight Ashbury days, long before this book was written, Jerry Garcia was given the nickname "Captain Trips." I've always wondered if this wasn't an in-joke on King's part. I've assumed that King figured that the people who died from the virus and didn't have to live through the aftermath were grateful they were dead. Anyone have a source for that? It's original research, so I wouldn't dare put it in the article. [[User:Helenabucket|Helenabucket]] ([[User talk:Helenabucket|talk]]) 15:59, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:I'm almost entirely certain it is a Grateful Dead reference...but I'm not aware of any [[WP:RS|sourcing]] that firmly establishes it, unfortunately. [[User:Doniago|Doniago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 16:16, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

== Unsourced Material ==

Below information appears to consist largely of [[WP:OR|original research]]. Please feel free to reincorporate into the article with appropriate sourcing. Please note that Wikipedia articles should not contain lists of random "references" without sourcing establishing that reliable third-parties consider them significant. Thanks. [[User:Doniago|Doniago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 12:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

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The time change of ''The Complete & Uncut Edition'' from 1980 to 1990 produced several [[anachronism]]s that may have resulted from careless editing, e.g. a character being paid a dollar for a morning’s babysitting; another being paid 35¢ per hour for manual labor in the 1970s; black and white TV sets owned by the poor and color TVs being owned by the more affluent characters; [[leaded gasoline]] being sold; rental of a beachfront house in [[Malibu, California|Malibu]] for $1000 (U.S.) per month; one character (Stu Redman) being portrayed as having been "in the war" (presumably [[Vietnam War|Vietnam]]) despite being too young for such service; reference to "government issue" .45 pistols even though the military switched to the 9&nbsp;mm M9 in the early '80s; TV news stations reporting the news on film instead of videotape; and "new" Datsun Z after Nissan discontinued the Datsun brand. There are also a number of typos in prints of ''The Complete & Uncut Edition'' that have not been corrected in any subsequent printing of the book, for example "Arrowsmith" for [[Aerosmith]].
Many inconsistencies and errors in "The Stand," however, were survivals from the earlier edition and not anachronisms.  King refers several times to Army troops carrying "[[recoilless rifles]]" firing "gas-tipped rounds seventy times per second"—a cyclic rate of fire higher than that of the [[M134]] [[minigun]]—not to mention that a recoilless rifle is a portable anti-tank weapon that fires rounds resembling conventional artillery shells, not an assault weapon suitable for use in infantry squads.  He also has a character (an anonymous Army general) refer to a previous President of the United States as having been in office since January 20, 1959, which was not a regular inaugural year nor a year when a President was sworn in due to assassination or other cause of succession.  There are also minor hiccups such as characters dying at different times in different places in the text (Vince Hogan in Shoyo, during Nick Andros' tenure as deputy after Sheriff John Baker's death).</div>
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''The Stand'' shares some aspects of other parts of King's literary "universe":

Randall Flagg and other elements of ''The Stand'' also appear in [[The Dark Tower (series)|''The Dark Tower'' series]]: the superflu, explicitly named as "Captain Trips", is said to be what killed all the inhabitants of a parallel Kansas in ''[[The Dark Tower IV: Wizard and Glass]]'', Abagail Freemantle is mentioned as being on a quest "near parallel" to [[Roland Deschain]]’s quest in ''Wizard and Glass''.

Captain Trips and its decimation of the human race first appeared in King's short story "[[Night Surf]]", although some of the details of its origin are different. This could possibly be due to the government's coverup attempts and the following breakdown of communications.

Flagg additionally appears as the evil wizard in ''[[The Eyes of the Dragon]]''.

In the denouement, Stu and Tom happen upon an abandoned [[Plymouth Fury]] with the initials 'A.C.' engraved on the keychain.  Arnie Cunningham was the owner of the 1958 Plymouth Fury in ''[[Christine (novel)|Christine]]''.  The car is found empty with no apparent driver.

The town of Hemingford Home, Nebraska where Mother Abagail lives, was originally featured in King's short story "[[The Last Rung on the Ladder]]". It also appears in ''[[It (novel)|It]]'', as the home of character Ben Hanscom. The town is also the setting of the novella ''[[1922 (novella)|1922]]'', from the collection ''[[Full Dark, No Stars]]''.

Radio signals from Arnette, Texas, are also heard in ''[[The Tommyknockers]]''.

[[The Shop (Stephen King)|The Shop]] and the town of [[Castle Rock (Stephen King)|Castle Rock, Maine]], both recurring features of King's works, are mentioned briefly in ''The Stand''. Frannie also mentions the town of [[Bridgton, Maine]], the setting of ''[[The Mist]]''.

Charles Decker's teacher in ''[[Rage (Stephen King novel)|Rage]]'', Mrs. Jean Underwood, is said to be a relative of Larry Underwood.

Stuart Redman has a dream of a corn field with a creature with red eyes staring at him, this is a reference to "[[Children of the Corn]]".

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== Lord Of The Rings ==

I realise this is a tiny thing, not connected with The Stand at all, but "The Lord Of The Rings" is one single story in three parts, and so referring to it as a trilogy is incorrect.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.43.243.26|82.43.243.26]] ([[User talk:82.43.243.26|talk]]) 21:54, 18 June 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:It would have been easier to just strike the word yourself.  I've done so. —[[User:Kerfuffler|Kerfuffler]] 18:40, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

"The Stand" may prove very instructional in light of the Ebola and Entero virus outbreak.  Maybe, if we're lucky, we;kk see "The Hand of Judgement" as in the conclusion of the novel, and cleanse all the evil-doers of the Earth!!!  --[[Special:Contributions/75.127.245.190|75.127.245.190]] ([[User talk:75.127.245.190|talk]]) 19:13, 17 October 2014 (UTC)Veryverser

5k deaths in one part of the world is not equal to billions planet wide. Glad to see the religous nutters are still all so happy to see everyone die so they "win" the argument.  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/125.236.57.130|125.236.57.130]] ([[User talk:125.236.57.130|talk]]) 08:07, 12 December 2014 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Percent contagious ==

The plot description uses the phrase "100% contagious." Contagion is not measured by percent, and it's unclear what exactly this means. Is it trying to say that everyone who comes in contact with a diseased host contracts it?

Edit: oh, this is probably reference % infectivity.

[[Special:Contributions/128.148.231.34|128.148.231.34]] ([[User talk:128.148.231.34|talk]]) 13:38, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

== Limerance, phooey! ==

I took out the word "limerance" because it is not in common use; its WP article is a lot of hot air to "explain" a state of mind that is well understood with available vocabulary and is acknowledged by most talk comments there as being a lot of nonsense. The plot of "The Stand" on WP should be reasonably accessible to readers; having to link away to the dubious "limerance" article during the process is of no value. Everyone knows that "obsession" by a nerdy guy over a beautiful girl is a thing, a thing that doesn't need to be fussed up with a lot of psychobabble. [[User:Jhoughton1|Jhoughton1]] ([[User talk:Jhoughton1|talk]]) 02:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)