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==Untitled==
vandolson, your edits have been really good. I think your additions to the language used in my Walstanian/Bacrum/Gargastan description were very nice. However, the only thing left we need to find are some of the game portraits for the character list. 

Also, I've added some information to the "Plot and Setting" section. I think that it could use some revising, and hopefully we can get the game's introduction quoted here. What I said in the second paragraph is basically the prologue in a nutshell.
--[[User:Big Tex|Big Tex]] 17:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I've currently been working on this wiki page.  Let me know what you all think about the pics I've added, and some of the other minor edits.  (vandolson@gmail.com)

''It was [[wikipedia:requested moves|requested]] that this article be renamed but the procedure outlined at [[WP:RM#How to request a page move]] did not appear to be followed, and consensus could not be determined. Please request a move again with proper procedure if there is still a desire for the page to be moved. Thank you for time!'' -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' <small>(joturner)</small> 03:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

==Queen reference!==

Can we get anything... any reference that confirms that the game's title is a reference to a Queen song? --[[User:Havermayer|Havermayer]] 04:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

==Added on. Need help==
I added to the game play section, and with that I added a rough class list. If anyone with more knowledge on the subject can help, the class list should probably be split into characters, creatures, and other types. And if anyone wants to really go crazy, a picture for each class would be nice.

Oh, I also found a great reference, but don't know how to add it. it's at http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/tactics_ogre_mech.txt
[[User:BraveFoot|BraveFoot]] 18:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know if that "classes" section should be there. It just screams "cruft". A short paragraph about a few types of classes would be better than a long list. [[User:Thunderbrand|Thunderbrand]] 15:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
::I agree. [[User:Jacoplane|<span style="color:#AE1C28;">jaco</span>]]♫[[User_talk:Jacoplane|<span style="color:#21468B;">plane</span>]] 23:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah, let's at least divide the "classes" section into playable and npc classes.  I have no idea why characters should be included there, though. [[User:Psychophant|Psychophant]] 17:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I've copied the info to StrategyWiki and removed the tag at the top.  There's perhaps a bit too much info about minor characters and the plot/setting, but it looks like the discusses classes section is gone. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 21:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

==Name romanization==
The current name romanization is incorrect. I'm not up to speed on how Japanese is supposed to be romanized in Wikipedia, but at any rate "Ōuga" can't be the correct romanization for 「オウガ」. It's either "Ōga" or "Ouga". Could somebody who knows more about this fix the romanization? [[User:Lumpio-|Lumpio-]] 18:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==Spoilers==
I'm not sure how to do this, but I think there should be some spoiler warnings through this article. I haven't played the bulk of the game yet so I'm not sure if this is applicable but if so could someone fix this please?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.68.146.41|70.68.146.41]] ([[User talk:70.68.146.41|talk]]) 02:45, 15 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::Spoiler tags are against Wiki policy. ([[WP:SW]]) [[Special:Contributions/98.113.81.173|98.113.81.173]] ([[User talk:98.113.81.173|talk]]) 15:19, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== Name Changes ==

Due to the PSP remake being released should we change there names to reflect this?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/137.241.250.104|137.241.250.104]] ([[User talk:137.241.250.104|talk]]) 16:59, 4 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::I don't think so but I think the article should note that the PSP remake featured such changes.[[User:Flygongengar|Flygongengar]] ([[User talk:Flygongengar|talk]]) 06:22, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

== Newly translated interview ==

http://shmuplations.com/tacticsogre/ [[User:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #000000">'''TarkusAB'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:TarkusAB|<span style="color: #aa0000">'''talk'''</span>]]</sup> 22:38, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
:As usual, shmuplations ends up being more frustrating than anything. He gives no indication which issue of Dengeki SFC it is, nor the page number. I would much prefer to just have the original interview than his translation. With the original text, we can also double check and debate over translation rather than just taking his word for it. GSLA archive is even more frustrating, since they don't even give any indication what the source is, and they severely edit the interviews. [[User:Harizotoh9|Harizotoh9]] ([[User talk:Harizotoh9|talk]]) 02:08, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

== Cleanup + reviews ==

I did some major clean-up of the page. A lot of weird sourcing, such as fan sites and even user reviews. I've also added more reviews. Saturn and SNES reviews are lacking, so please add more if you find them. Everyone and their mother reviewed the PSP version, so we have enough. In fact, there's so many reviews, would it make sense to make a separate list for the PSP version? [[User:Harizotoh9|Harizotoh9]] ([[User talk:Harizotoh9|talk]]) 13:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

==GA Status?==
Would anyone mind if I nominate this article for good article status? It looks really good, and I could guide it though the process! [[User:Judgesurreal777|Judgesurreal777]] ([[User talk:Judgesurreal777|talk]]) 16:55, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

==Expansion==
I've expanded the article as much as I could. I added all the reviews I could find from professional publications for the Saturn and SNES versions, and I sourced every review available from reputable publications described on the [[Template:Video game reviews]]. I also added an extra section for the awards. Most -- if not all -- of the relevant information about the game's reception and legacy should be covered by now. -- [[User:ThiagoSimoes|ThiagoSimoes]] ([[User talk:ThiagoSimoes|talk]]) 22:01, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

== Reviews ==

{{ping|ThiagoSimoes}}, this is something I need help and input with. I noticed you put back some reviews that the original edit removed. I would like to incorporate those reviews into the text commentary, but I can't find any sources that say what the reviews stated about the game, so at the moment they're just scores without commentary or access to the sources. Also I can't find the issue of US PS Magazine that has the review of Tactics Ogre, and the link provided doesn't give the issue or date or anything besides the score. I did managed to find the proper sources for for the Turbo and Saturn merch. --[[User:ProtoDrake|ProtoDrake]] ([[User talk:ProtoDrake|talk]]) 19:51, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hello, {{ping|ProtoDrake}}. Thank you for the awesome work you've done on the article. It has much more information now and everything is very well written. I believe that most of the scores are necessary because this is an old game and we don't have access to the GameRankings page anymore. I wouldn't mind it very much if some scores are not sourced on the text, but if this bothers you or someone else, then we could discuss and probably try to reach consensus about removing these scores from the article. I can provide links for the magazines in Portuguese -- Gamers and SuperGamePower -- if you want. You can read the whole review in German from Next Level here: [https://www.mobygames.com/game/sega-saturn/tactics-ogre-/mobyrank]. -- [[User:ThiagoSimoes|ThiagoSimoes]] ([[User talk:ThiagoSimoes|talk]]) 20:20, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|ProtoDrake}}I can try to lend you a hand with pinpointing links to issues containing said reviews of Tactics Ogre for each version. [[User:KGRAMR|Roberth Martinez]] ([[User talk:KGRAMR|talk]]) 22:22, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Here's what i could find: [[User:KGRAMR|Roberth Martinez]] ([[User talk:KGRAMR|talk]]) 22:54, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
* Super Famicom Review. Consoles + (in French). Vol. 52. March 1996 - I could not find any link to that Consoles Plus issue. Needs to be removed.
* Test PlayStation. Consoles + (in French). Vol. 78. July 1998. p. 134 - https://archive.org/details/Console_Plus_Numero_078/page/n133/mode/2up
* Spieletest: Tactics Ogre. Mega Fun (in German). July 1998. p. 88. (#70) - https://retrocdn.net/index.php?title=File%3AMegaFun_DE_1998-07.pdf&page=88
* Official Playstation Magazine review- I could not find any link to that OPM issue, nor the exact issue number. Needs to be removed.
* Tactics Ogre. SuperGamePower (in Portuguese). Vol. 29. August 1996. p. 36. - https://archive.org/details/SuperGamePower_Ano_03_No._029_1996-08_Nova_Cultural_BR_pt/page/n35/mode/2up
* Flash Game. Gamers (in Portuguese). Vol. 19. 1997. p. 47. -  I could not find any link to that Gamers issue. Needs to be removed.
* 32-Bit-Rollenspiele. Next Level (in German). Vol. 5/1997. May 1997. pp. 14, 17. (#13) - https://retrocdn.net/index.php?title=File%3ANextLevel_DE_1997-05.pdf&page=14
* Tactics Ogre. Super Game (in French). Vol. 38. December 1995. p. 102. - https://www.abandonware-magazines.org/affiche_mag.php?mag=20&num=3372&album=oui
::{{ping|KGRAMR}}, all hugely useful, though I can't easily translate these links. I can just about manage a rough idea of Japanese text, but other languages can be beyond me. As to the PS Mag issue, it's Vol 1 Issue #12, from September 1998. It's got Parasite Eve as its cover art. I think, with this number of reviews for each version, a table covering each version in different columns would work here. --[[User:ProtoDrake|ProtoDrake]] ([[User talk:ProtoDrake|talk]]) 17:38, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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== Undiscussed move ==

{{ping|UnkreativeFrog}} You moved the article citing "Add parentheses/disambiguator: full title and disambiguatior".  But there's no need for a disambiguator; [[Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together]] already redirects here, and per [[WP:CONSISTENT]], there's no need to add an extra disambiguator simply because the PSP remake version has one.  I would consider moving it back directly, but I suppose there might be a case for leaving it as is if we thought that the 2022 Tactics Ogre Reborn might get its own page some day, in which case maybe a very small disambiguation page at [[Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together]] pointing to the three separate articles might be appropriate.  But unless there's a plan to make such a third article, I'd definitely be a fan of moving this back, whether to [[Tactics Ogre]] or to [[Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together]] (no strong opinion on if the subtitle should be included).

Also pinging {{ping|ProtoDrake}}, who I know worked on the PSP remix article, in case you have any opinions here.  [[User:SnowFire|SnowFire]] ([[User talk:SnowFire|talk]]) 06:42, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

(also also pinging {{ping|Dissident93}}, who I see moved the article as well in the past.)  [[User:SnowFire|SnowFire]] ([[User talk:SnowFire|talk]]) 06:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
:I personally don't see the need for the disambiguator, as it's pretty obvious it's from 1995 by the article content. The remake needed it as they share an identical title, but the original not so much. I didn't feel strongly enough at the time to start a potential edit conflict, but that's my opinion. Not the first time the article's just been moved without much discussion, as it was earlier changed to just "Tactics Ogre" then later switched to this one. --[[User:ProtoDrake|ProtoDrake]] ([[User talk:ProtoDrake|talk]]) 08:43, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
::The article should really be "Tactics Ogre" per [[WP:SUBTITLES]] and [[WP:CONCISE]]. ~ [[User:Dissident93|<b style="color: #660000;">''Dissident93''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dissident93|<b style="color: #D18719;">''talk''</b>]])</sup> 14:19, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

== Requested move 21 November 2023 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''Moved to [[Tactics Ogre]].''' Per consensus. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 16:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
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[[:Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (1995 video game)]] → {{no redirect|Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together}} – This article has moved around and probably just needs a community discussion.  It started at simply [[Tactics Ogre]] in 2005, moved to [[Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together]] in 2006, was moved back to Tactics Ogre in 2022, and was moved to [[Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (1995 video game)]] in 2023, all undiscussed.  Both of the old titles currently redirect here.  We have four options:
* Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together.  Full title; my suggested option, and the title of the article for the longest amount of time.  Consistent with [[Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen]] which also has the subtitle.
* Tactics Ogre.  Skip subtitle, use short form of the name.
* Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (1995 video game) and create a new disambiguation page at [[Tactics Ogre]] that distinguishes between the 1995, 2010, and 2022 versions of the game (for all that the 2022 version doesn't currently have a separate article, but I'm sure a short one could be created if there was desire to do so).
* Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (1995 video game) and let Tactics Ogre continue to redirect to it, the status quo. (Which seems wrong to have a redirect to a title with a disambiguator.)
They all can work but we should just pick one, by consulting a tarot deck if necessary.  And hopefully not drawing The Fool. [[User:SnowFire|SnowFire]] ([[User talk:SnowFire|talk]]) 04:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
*Courtesy ping of {{ping|ProtoDrake|Dissident93|UnkreativeFrog}}.  (Also in the realm of Explaining The Joke for any passerby.  Tarot cards are a whole mechanic / theme in the game.) [[User:SnowFire|SnowFire]] ([[User talk:SnowFire|talk]]) 04:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' This one back to [[Tactics Ogre]] as [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. Keep the remake where it is, seems good. [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 11:49, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
*'''Tactics Ogre''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]; further strengthen by [[WP:SUBTITLES]] and [[WP:CONCISE]]. The case of [[Ogre Battle]] is different since that is a series article. ~ [[User:Dissident93|<b style="color: #660000;">''Dissident93''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dissident93|<b style="color: #D18719;">''talk''</b>]])</sup> 17:10, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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