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The famous gong sound at the beginning of Michael Jackson's "Beat It" comes originally from a PPG Wave Synthesizer and not a Synclavier !

Where is more Information about the 3200, 6400 and 9600 systems ? After NED developments like the PowerMac Interface ? Vitae about Cameron Jones etc ... ?

I will add more details.
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I don't think the article reads like an advert. I'm deleting the link to synclavier.net (it doesn't exist anymore) and to the synclavier yahoo group, as it also doesn't exist anymore. I have "inherited" a full blown synclavier system and will get it running soon. From there, I hope to revitalise a synclavier user group, early next year. I'll do what I can to update this article then as well, unless someone beats me to it. [[User:Hwarwick|Hwarwick]] 02:03, 20 AUG 2007 (UTC)

== Notable Synclavier users ==
I don't recall ever hearing of Kate Bush using a Synclavier (she was always a heavy Fairlight aficionado). [[User:BenedictPoole|BenedictPoole]] ([[User talk:BenedictPoole|talk]]) 13:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I take it back; Dave Lawson programmed for her on The Dreaming and The Red Shoes (at least)! [[User:BenedictPoole|BenedictPoole]] ([[User talk:BenedictPoole|talk]]) 21:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard of Imogen Heap using one.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.47.121.97|69.47.121.97]] ([[User talk:69.47.121.97|talk]]) 03:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)</span>

What? No mention of Gary Numan? His albums from 1981-1983 were loaded with synclavier 

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== Photograph ==

Does't anyone have a better photo of a Synclavier? They looked quite pretty, design-wise. The current one looks like a 1960 tone generator – no keyboard, no monitor... Are Synclavier company photos still under copyright? -- [[User:MegA|megA]] ([[User talk:MegA|talk]]) 17:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

The photography is actually a Synclavier I, which is a primarily academic system.  The Synclavier II always had a keyboard,
and the V/P Keyboard is an option for the Synclavier II, not the basis of the Synclavier II generation.

I have NED promotional literature for the Synclavier II in my files, but I don't know if the use of photos from that brochure is OK here. I know of a system near me that I could photograph, but I'd have to get around to it. [[User:MRJayMach|MRJayMach]] ([[User talk:MRJayMach|talk]]) 18:16, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I have a lot of information on the Synclavier, including boxed manual sets from the New England Digital days, as well as a PSMT Synclavier with polyphonic sampling, a Post Pro (Direct to Disk) and tons of spares and service parts. Feel free to contact me here for information and--while I'm not a service tech--I'll try to help out.[[User:Timecodejockeys|Timecodejockeys]] ([[User talk:Timecodejockeys|talk]]) 15:35, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== When did it ship? ==

The intro says 1975, the body says 1977-1978. Which is it? Does the [[Alles Machine]] pre-date it or not? [[User:Maury Markowitz|Maury Markowitz]] ([[User talk:Maury Markowitz|talk]]) 13:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

The early Synclavier (then called the Dartmouth Digital Sythesizer) was developed during the mid-70's, at the same time as the Alles machine.  See http://www.500sound.com/synclavierhistory.html.  Brown University bought the first system to go outside of Dartmouth, in mid-late 1978. [[Special:Contributions/76.21.0.160|76.21.0.160]] ([[User talk:76.21.0.160|talk]]) 09:31, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

* According to that source, NED's first product "ABLE computer" (dedicated processor for later Synclavier) developed in 1975, was sold for academic data-collection applications. <br/>Source: {{cite web |title=SYNCLAVIER EARLY HISTORY  |url=http://www.500sound.com/synclavierhistory.html |publisher=Synclavier European Services }}
* According to Joel Chadabe's article on emusician.com, he bought first Synclavier in September 1977. <br/>Source: {{cite web |author=Joel Chadabe |date=May 1, 2001 |title=The Electronic Century Part IV: The Seeds of the Future |url=http://emusician.com/tutorials/electronic_century4/ |work=Electronic Musician |publisher=Penton Media, Inc}} <br/> --[[Special:Contributions/122.18.152.114|122.18.152.114]] ([[User talk:122.18.152.114|talk]]) 20:40, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I stand corrected regarding the first delivery of a Synclavier.  My professor at Brown always told me that we bought the first one in mid-late 1978, but now I realize that Joel Chadabe had bought a keyboard-less one in September 1977.  Ours was probably the first one with the keyboard and control panel.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.207.85.133|98.207.85.133]] ([[User talk:98.207.85.133|talk]]) 07:19, 1 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Series, modular==
I think it's actually worth mentioning that there wasn't _A_ Synclavier, but a series of Synclavier systems from commercially available Synclavier II, 3200, PSMT, 9600 and PostPro. Since these systems were heavily modular, usually one could upgrade/advance system owned by adding cardcages. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:83.24.12.91|83.24.12.91]] ([[User talk:83.24.12.91|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/83.24.12.91|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

== Words to watch... ==

"'''There is absolutely no doubt''' that the Synclavier System was "the" pioneer system in revolutionizing"...

Please check out the [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Unsupported_attributions|Wikipedia Style Guide]]. Otherwise, good article :)

[[User:Atom Bomb Speedster|Atom Bomb Speedster]] ([[User talk:Atom Bomb Speedster|talk]]) 09:35, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

:I removed the offending text - see [[WP:BEBOLD]]  --[[User:Hulmem|hulmem]] ([[User talk:Hulmem|talk]]) 01:12, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

== ABLE computer ==

With respect to the architecture of ABLE processor, there are two descriptions on Wikipedia:<br/>
# based on [[Data General Nova]] processor &nbsp; (as written on [[Synclavier#Processor]])
# based on [[Transport triggered architecture]] with a single instruction "''MOVE from source to destination''" &nbsp; (as written on [[Transport triggered architecture#Implementations]] and its [http://sites.google.com/site/macthenaief/Home/retro/able source])

After an addition of above 2nd hypothesis [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Synclavier&diff=622125818&oldid=622031727], I've received following message from a person who might be involved in the Synclavier software development. Currently I have not enough sources to judge these suggestions, so I'll quote a message before altering the descriptions of article, for later references by others.　--[[User:Clusternote|Clusternote]] ([[User talk:Clusternote|talk]]) 00:15, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Quoted from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AClusternote&diff=622541392&oldid=620082607 my talk page]:
{{cquote|Hello, I see you are following up on my edits to the information about the NED Synclavier processor.  Thanks.  I've done some research for you:

1) regarding the two-card design, the only online document I found that describes the card layout is at http://www.yakingcat.com/yaking/html/wsnCARD.html
You can see how the processor is listed as being a "Register module" combined with a "Sequencer".  Each was on a separate card.  This was true for all models of the processor (A, B, C, etc.).  In some cases a third card was added that was the multiply-divide unit.

2) regarding the relationship to the Data General Nova, I've thought about it further and looked up the instruction sets once again.  I've realized that when we used to describe the ABLE as being similar to a DG Nova that was in our fund-raising documents (as a term known to investors), rather than representing the details of the technical design or its history.  So perhaps you should just take this out.

3) regarding the three paragraphs of material on transfer-triggered architecture that you added in recent update, that is probably more technical information than a reader wants to know when coming to a page about Synclavier the music system.  I would suggest that you prune that back, since the paragraphs are at the online link you gave.

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::: Thanks for your suggestions, and sorry for my late response. For each suggestions, I think as follows:<br/>
::# as for multiple cards configuration of ABLE processor, it seems not inconsistent to above two descriptions and other sources.<br/> '''Thus''' we should add [http://www.yakingcat.com/yaking/html/wsnCARD.html your source] on article, and also we can add additional details (ex. ''ABLE processor consists of 2 or 3 cards, including: "Sequencer", "Register module", and "Multiply/divide unit"'')<br/>
::# the existence of "Scientific XPL compiler" derived from Data General XPL compiler, seems imply some relationships between ABLE and DG processor (Nova ?), and probably the NED's two manuals ("[http://books.google.com/books?id=3RLUtgAACAAJ ABLE Series Hardware Reference Manual]" and "[http://books.google.com/books?id=XNYLtwAACAAJ Creating Programs for ABLE Series Computers]") may provide the important hints for it. However still we need to verify the contents of these manuals. <br/>'''Thus''', as a concession of the utmost, I propose the replacement of tag from current {{tl|citation needed}} to {{tl|verification needed}}.<br/>
::# I'm prospecting for the designs of various campus made computers and early digital musical instruments. The architecture of ABLE processor seems provide important hints for how the enormous signal processing required on Synclavier was realized on the relatively limited computing power on mini-computer cards in 1970s. <br/>'''Thus''', I think it is better to keep a mention to [[Transport triggered architecture]] article and its source, as possible as not inconsistent to your description. '''Or''' otherwise, we should follow [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view]].<br/>
::: (''Off Topic'': I am currently trying to organize the details of models and options of Synclavier for this article, based on available references.  I'm glad if you kindly commented on my later updates)
::: best, --[[User:Clusternote|Clusternote]] ([[User talk:Clusternote|talk]]) 03:00, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the enormous signal processing on a Synclavier and realization with mini-computer cards, you have an incorrect understanding of the Synclavier architecture.  The waveforms are produced by the Synclavier Synthesizer cards (named SS1 through SS5).  Each set of these five produced 8 mono FM voices (later variants supported stereo).  The processor is only sending start-stop-setPitch-setParameter commands to the SS card set(s), as well as handling scanning of the keyboard and control panel.  Hence this can be done with 1970's technology.  For documentation, look at http://www.synclav.com/NED-hardware-home.html and notice how the processor and laboratory automation cards are described as being in the 'computer' bin, and the SS cards are described as being in the 'synthesizer' bin.  There is little documentation available on these cards, as their design was the unique asset of the Synclavier.  However, their structure was similar to other digital synthesizers of the mid-late 1970's realized in Medium Scale Integration (MSI) hardware.  For a good overview of this field, see Foundations of Computer Music (http://www.amazon.com/Foundations-Computer-Music-Press-Classics/dp/0262680513) specifically the articles on pages 192-205 and on pages 206-224.  Also see [[Bell Labs Digital Synthesizer]].

[[Special:Contributions/24.7.30.40|24.7.30.40]] ([[User talk:24.7.30.40|talk]]) 07:41, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

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== More sources needed on a description "''FM synthesis, (re-)licensed from Yamaha''" that relies on single source MIX2006 ==

The description "''FM synthesis, (re-)licensed from Yamaha''" {{smaller|1=(added by IP user [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/86.173.191.67&target=86.173.191.67&offset=20170428034911&limit=500 86.173.191.67] in April 28, 2017, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Synclavier&diff=prev&oldid=777582027&diffmode=source], simultaneously added on the other articles [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frequency_modulation_synthesis&diff=prev&oldid=777582085&diffmode=source Frequency_modulation_synthesis] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Digital_synthesizer&diff=prev&oldid=777582598&diffmode=source Digital_synthesizer])}} relies on single source: 
* {{cite magazine |author=MIXSTUFF |title=1978 New England Digital Synclavier |url=http://www.mixonline.com/news/news-products/1978-new-england-digital-synclavier/383609 |date=September 1, 2006 |magazine=Mix |publisher=Penton Media}}
however, this magazine article itself lacks reliable source(s), and as a result, lacks verifiability. We need additional reliable sources on the ''FM (re-)license from the exclusive licensee, YAMAHA''. [[User:Clusternote|Clusternote]] ([[User talk:Clusternote|talk]]) 20:44, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

:I don't know what you mean when you say Mix lacks a reliable source. You can try to argue that this Mix article is not a reliable source. There is no byline so its possible this is just a republished press release. We don't consider a source unreliable just because it does not list its own sources though.
:Better sourcing is always welcome but I don't see any errors in what is written here. It is well established that FM synthesis was invented and patented at Stanford and that Stanford OTL licensed it exclusively to Yamaha. NED had to get their license from Yamaha. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 19:11, 19 April 2023 (UTC)