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== First header ==
Would it be a good idea to create a new page for this and list all shows there and a few of the most popular here? [[User:Philip Nilsson|Philip Nilsson]] 09:49, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Basic Characteristics:
"However, in the 1990's a renaissance in the Super Robot genre occurred, most of it after the success of Neon Genesis Evangelion, a series which used the Super Robot show premise and ideas with a new depth and sophistication in its plot. This led to more recent anime series and OVAs like Zeorymer Hades Project, and Giant Robo that the basic concept of Super Robot shows and combined it with storylines that were more complex, profound, and leaning toward ambiguity between heroes and villains."

Hades Project Zeorymer and Giant Robo predate Neon Genesis Evangelion.  Evangelion came out in Japan in 1995, Giant Robo in 1992, and Zeorymer in the late 80's.

== neon genesis evangelion ==

it should be removed from this list since the EVAs aren¡t robot but androids o better said living things with armor attached to it 
i removed it myself but here it is what it said 

"* [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]] (1995)"
", as well as progressive attempts at the genre such as the controversial ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]''"
"Another notably addition to the Bandai SOC line are the [[Evangelion (mecha)|EVA]] units from the more recent ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion|Evangelion]]'' anime series."

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::Neon Genesis Evangelion is too much of a mixed bag to put in either the Super Robot or Real Robot categories, it blends elements of both genres and is generally hard to categorize, that and the fact the Evangelion Units themselves aren't technically robots (they are however, still considered Mecha) <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Nightmare X|Nightmare X]] ([[User talk:Nightmare X|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nightmare X|contribs]]) 13:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

==Code Geass==

[[Code Geass]] is super robot? Mecha isn't even that central to the show, and even then its closer to the real robot genre.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Agent Low|Agent Low]] ([[User talk:Agent Low|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Agent Low|contribs]]) 13:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Capitalization ==

As the title is just a genre, not a proper name as far as I can tell, I believe it should be uncapitalized (see [[WP:NC]]). It seems to have been left capitalized since its creation, and there has been no comment one way or another here, so I'm assuming it won't be controversial if I just make the move, per the guideline I mentioned above. The term should probably also be lower-case when used throughout the article, but I won't make those changes quite yet, in case there's some disagreement. --[[User:Fru1tbat|Fru1tbat]] 20:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

== Super Sentai? ==

It seems to me that, while not anime, the mecha/zords in [[Super Sentai]]/[[Power Rangers]] fit into the super robot genre and deserve a mention in the article. Do you agree? [[User:SpectrumDT|SpectrumDT]] ([[User talk:SpectrumDT|talk]]) 13:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

:I don't see why not . - [[User:R.G.|R.G.]] ([[User talk:R.G.|talk]]) 16:02, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

::Mech just not focus in Super Sentai series. While it worth mention, it need to note that there are Super Robot Tokusatsu show like Giant Robo or Red Baron (both got remade in anime later) and Super Sentai simply take that aspect into their show. Oh, and there are other genre of Tokusatsu like Metal Hero that feature Super Robot. [[User:L-Zwei|L-Zwei]] ([[User talk:L-Zwei|talk]]) 16:29, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

:::where should super robot wars machines would be?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/201.143.122.45|201.143.122.45]] ([[User talk:201.143.122.45|talk]]) 08:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::::Some are reals and some are supers; however, because the Originals are no longer signifigant enough to merit even one page on Wikipedia, it's pointless to discuss them. [[User:Kouban|Kouban]] ([[User talk:Kouban|talk]]) 05:29, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== Brave Raideen ==
wasnt brave raideen made by Yoshiyuki Tomino creator of the gundam series, aura battler dunbine, overman king gainer etc  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.141.247.228|24.141.247.228]] ([[User talk:24.141.247.228|talk]]) 03:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== BIG O ==

Wouldn't Big O be closer to Real Robot? Yes it's origins are a mystery but as shown in the second season Norman and and a very large team Repair and Rearm Big O after every battle.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.217.222.254|65.217.222.254]] ([[User talk:65.217.222.254|talk]]) 22:40, 22 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
* Super Robot often has large repair team too. [[User:L-Zwei|L-Zwei]] ([[User talk:L-Zwei|talk]]) 05:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I've removed the lists as there were no reliable sources given that verified whether those series are "Super Robot" series or not. I also question whether such a list is even beneficial to the understanding of the topic. —'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]'''&nbsp;([[User talk:TheFarix|t]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/TheFarix|c]]) 17:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
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== Magic Knight Rayearth ==

I think [[Magic Knight Rayearth]]'s Mashin (Selece, Windam and Rayearth) could be classified as Super Robots, albeit their supernatural origin. [[Special:Contributions/200.198.216.114|200.198.216.114]] ([[User talk:200.198.216.114|talk]]) 17:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

== Requested move 4 February 2016 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''No consensus to move'''. This is a bit all over the place. Some people favour [[Super Robot]], some [[Super robot]], and others still [[Super robot (genre)]]. As {{u|SmokeyJoe}} says, there are precious few sources available on which to evaluate this, so no real way to determine correct consensus. Leaving as is, and suggest possibly an AfD may be in order if there are really no sources out there. {{rmnac}} &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 15:19, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

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[[:Super Robot]] → {{no redirect|Super robot}} – The name of this genre is not a [[proper name]]. Per [[WP:NCCAPS]], it should not be capitalized like one. [[Special:Contributions/151.132.206.26|151.132.206.26]] ([[User talk:151.132.206.26|talk]]) 20:07, 4 February 2016 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/151.132.206.26|151.132.206.26]] ([[User talk:151.132.206.26|talk]]) 20:07, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per [https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=%22a+super+robot%22&num=10 book usage "a super robot"] refers to an actual physical robot not an anime genre. [https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=anime+%22super+robot%22&num=10 plus "Super Robot" is capitalized when searching with "anime"] [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 08:07, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
*:{{small|(Nominator here, on home PC.)}} This is not the case for at least two of the top ten books in [https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=anime+%22super+robot%22+-wikipedia&oq=anime+%22super+robot%22+-wikipedia&gs_l=serp.3...64077.65877.0.66093.11.11.0.0.0.0.88.605.11.11.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.0.0.Ipo6fyz66D4 a search excluding “wikipedia”] (which still includes works derived from Wikipedia), and we should use the closest to standard English formatting that is in common use. <del>But if it is indeed standard to capitalize the name of this genre in a non-standard way, shouldn’t we point it out in the article? Currently there’s no mention.</del> <ins>The more I look, the more I’m convinced the capitalization is not standard: [http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2016/01/06/netflix-and-dreamworks-are-working-on-an-animated-reboot-of-voltron/#c93f4d953d4e Forbes], [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/game/playstation-3/the-3rd-super-robot-wars-z/hell-chapter Anime News Network], and [http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2015/06/17-1/feature-shane-nanigans-on-hype-backlash-kinda-sorta-gainax-edition Crunchyroll], for instance.</ins> —[[Special:Contributions/67.14.236.50|67.14.236.50]] ([[User talk:67.14.236.50|talk]]) 15:59, 5 February 2016 (UTC) {{small|edited 02:03, 12 February 2016 (UTC)}}
*::Okay, well re above search, noted, but experienced editors at WP:RM should be able to see which sources are LLM/Wikipedia. Note the following two book hits [https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=anime+%22super+robot%22&num=10&gws_rd=cr&ei=ns-9VqjGGoirUbr3nOAE#tbm=bks&q=anime+%22super+robot%22+-lmm+-wikipedia from "Super Robot" -LLM search]:<blockquote>''Nicolae Sfetcu Animation & Cartoons 2014 "The Super Robot anime shows are usually named after the title robot (Mazinger Z, Getter Robo, Combattler V, etc), and tend to use a "menace of the week" format in that the villains introduce a single antagonist at the beginning of the episode ..."''</blockquote><blockquote>''Anime and Manga - Page 132 "Experimental anime films were also released in the 1990s, most notably Ghost in the Shell (1995), The late 1990s also saw a brief revival of the Super Robot genre that was once popular in the 1960s and 1970s but had become rare due to the ..."''</blockquote>So it seems inconsistent, but the genre is often capitalised. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 12:32, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
*:::{{re|In ictu oculi}} Your first quote was from '''''this WIkipedia article'''''. So yes, I agree that works which use our content also use our formatting. Not sure how that’s relevant here. (Also, I don’t know what you mean by [[LLM]] or [[LMM (disambiguation)|LMM]] here, nor the significance.) {{pb}} To address the point you were trying to make: Since when do we go with the ''less'' standard formatting in cases of inconsistency? The lowercase form is in use by reliable sources, is accepted, and is in line with how genre names are formatted in English and in [[WP:MOS|our manual of style]]. No doubt we could find sources that discuss “Science Fiction movies” or “popular Sitcoms”; that doesn’t mean we adopt their nonstandard formatting. I’m not sure if [[WP:Specialist style fallacy]] is relevant here, but I’ll throw it out there. —[[Special:Contributions/67.14.236.50|67.14.236.50]] ([[User talk:67.14.236.50|talk]]) 21:44, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
*'''Move to [[Super robot (genre)]].''' Genre names (of any medium) are not automatically capitalized in English, and this term is in use in English without capitalization, as I pointed out above. But it’s ambiguous, and since the genre is often referred to as “super robot” alone when discussing anime and manga, parenthetical disambiguation seems appropriate. —[[Special:Contributions/67.14.236.50|67.14.236.50]] ([[User talk:67.14.236.50|talk]]) 22:10, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
*:So you're changing your RM proposal? Certainly (genre) is required if it goes to small "r" but it would be better even with capital "R". [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 12:32, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
*::Yes. Voltron is a super robot featured in ''Voltron'' the super robot anime. It seems sufficiently ambiguous. —[[Special:Contributions/67.14.236.50|67.14.236.50]] ([[User talk:67.14.236.50|talk]]) 21:53, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
* It seems to be all [[WP:NOR]].  No sources on which to judge anything.  --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 23:44, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
*:The article itself, you mean? Yeah, could be an AFD candidate if sources can’t be found. Maybe should have proposed that before a move? —[[Special:Contributions/67.14.236.50|67.14.236.50]] ([[User talk:67.14.236.50|talk]]) 01:22, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' move to lowercase.  We don't automatically capitalize genre names; e.g. [[romantic comedy]].  We also don't need the disambiguator; we don't normally add parenthetical disambiguation when there is no article to disambiguate against. [[User:ErikHaugen|ErikHaugen]] <small>([[User talk:ErikHaugen|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/ErikHaugen|contribs]])</small> 16:51, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' adding disambiguator, no opinion on the capitalization.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 18:35, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
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== Sources ==

What about references, it still has none and it's a big page. Can someone find some.  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dessertdesert|Dessertdesert]] ([[User talk:Dessertdesert|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dessertdesert|contribs]]) 03:19, 15 April 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:{{re|Dessertdesert}} That’s the idea behind the [[WP:template|template]] added two years ago saying, {{tq|“This article '''does not cite any sources'''.}}” You are more than welcome to add any references you can. —[[Special:Contributions/67.14.236.50|67.14.236.50]] ([[User talk:67.14.236.50|talk]]) 02:15, 3 May 2016 (UTC)