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== Sources <ref></ref> ==

I am storing these there to use in the next few days. Hope that's okay.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.npr.org/2013/10/18/236997513/serpent-experts-try-to-demystify-pentecostal-snake-handling|title=Serpent Experts Try To Demystify Pentecostal Snake Handling|website=NPR.org|access-date=2021-09-12|archive-date=2021-09-11|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210911083044/https://www.npr.org/2013/10/18/236997513/serpent-experts-try-to-demystify-pentecostal-snake-handling|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://newrepublic.com/article/116223/snake-handling-pastors-acquitted-due-religious-freedom|title=Tennessee: Where 'Religious Freedom' Frees Snake Handlers to Abuse Animals|first=Jerry A.|last=Coyne|date=January 15, 2014|via=The New Republic|access-date=September 12, 2021|archive-date=September 11, 2021|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210911083047/https://newrepublic.com/article/116223/snake-handling-pastors-acquitted-due-religious-freedom|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://abovethelaw.com/2013/11/snakes-in-a-church-should-the-law-protect-the-religious-liberty-of-serpent-handlers/|title=Snakes in a Church: Should the Law Protect the Religious Liberty of Serpent-Handlers?|access-date=2021-09-12|archive-date=2021-09-12|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210912013543/https://abovethelaw.com/2013/11/snakes-in-a-church-should-the-law-protect-the-religious-liberty-of-serpent-handlers/|url-status=live}}</ref> 
Summerford trial/Dennis Covington <ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/15/us/alabama-trial-involves-snakes-and-bit-of-faith.html|title=Alabama Trial Involves Snakes And Bit of Faith|first=Dennis|last=Covington|date=February 15, 1992|via=NYTimes.com|access-date=September 12, 2021|archive-date=December 12, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201212215605/https://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/15/us/alabama-trial-involves-snakes-and-bit-of-faith.html|url-status=live}}</ref>
Laws in Ky<ref>https://www.cnn.com/2014/02/26/opinion/cevallos-snake-handling-law/index.html</ref>

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== Merger proposal  ==

I propose merging [[Snake handling in religion]] into [[Snake handling in Christianity]]. Most of the material in the Snake handling in religion page is about Christianity, including the separate sentence on the [[Ophites]] which were a Christian sect. That could easily be folded in. As for the one sentence on Hopi snake-handling rituals, that could easily be folded into the [[kachina]] article. Snake Handling in Christianity is a far superior article to Snake Handling in Religion, which really only adds two sentences of value.[[User:DynaGuy00|DynaGuy00]] ([[User talk:DynaGuy00|talk]]) 03:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

:Well, the previous split was performed by [[User:Scyrme]] as part of reorganisation per the [[#Merge (implemented)|above discussion]]. This doesn't seem to be a topic that needs a [[WP:broad-concept article]] overview though. Agree that the two sentences should be accommodated elsewhere. [[Snake handling]] is now a disambiguation page, and links can be listed there for navigation purposes. --[[User:Paul_012|Paul_012]] ([[User talk:Paul_012|talk]]) 10:24, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' - I agree that there is not really a subject beyond snake handling in Christianity. The couple of mentions elsewhere are not enough for an encyclopaedic article, and that this page is really the main page on this subject. I think [[User:Paul_012]]'s response looks like a !vote to merge too. This request has been open over a month. I have just got here, but it has probably been long enough for [[User:DynaGuy00]] to request closure. [[User:Sirfurboy|Sirfurboy🏄]] ([[User talk:Sirfurboy|talk]]) 17:44, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
{{merge done}} [[User:DynaGuy00|DynaGuy00]] ([[User talk:DynaGuy00|talk]]) 00:17, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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== Cruelty ==

Whilst the article is reassuring on the safety of observers and, in most cases, the fondlers;  nowhere does it mention this is gross cruelty to animals, nor of any prosecutions for such by the multifarious governments in the United States.


Extra:  on the previous Talk Page, there was a suggestion referenced to the reputable History Channel that the practice was brought over by Calvinists from Europe.

Now my opinion of Calvinism is unprintable, but apart from it's inherent unlikelihood   ---  Pressies are just not that sort of people  ---  one would have to produce evidence of the practice being used in Europe during the Renaissance and later, for it to be then exported by loons.



[[User:Claverhouse|Claverhouse]] ([[User talk:Claverhouse|talk]]) 02:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Watch the commentary ("loons"). Aside from that, you'd need reliable sources to make additions on animal cruelty issues. — <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 20:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
::I would postulate that exhibiting shy animals such as snakes, and playing about with them without their consent is implicitly cruel. [[User:Claverhouse|Claverhouse]] ([[User talk:Claverhouse|talk]]) 23:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
:::That's [[WP:OR|original research]]. We can't just conclude it ourselves, we need [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] which state it. — <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 11:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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