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== Dumping ground ==
<s>*[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1708275.stm Officers face action over shooting] (internal disciplinary proceedings against the supt and inspectors, Dec 2001)</s>
*[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2708251.stm Danger of suicide by cop] (PCA report, Jan 2003)
*[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1842764.stm Detective fights suspension over shooting] (officer in charge of operation fights suspension, Feb 2002)
*<s>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1698383.stm No action against fatal shooting officer] (DCC's resignation, Dec 2001)</s>
*[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1422996.stm Victim's family renew inquiry plea] (HO considers public inquiry, July 2001), also [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1347137.stm Shooting inquiry 'will be considered'] (May 2001)

—[[User:HJ Mitchell|<b style="color: teal; font-family: Tahoma">HJ&nbsp;Mitchell</b>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color: navy; font-family: Times New Roman" title="(Talk page)">Penny for your thoughts?</span>]]

== Informal PR ==
Just a few points that sprang to mind while going over it:

*The lead doesn't give the impression that the aim of the police raid was apprehending McCrudden – it looks like it was only drugs related
*surveillance in October 1997: any idea how long it was in place?
*"at approximately 0430": shouldn't that be 04:30?
*The suspension of the officers: as far as I'm aware, it's standard procedure to suspend firearms officers if they have been involved in a shooting: it may be worth adding a line about that.
*It may be worth a line or two about how a second inquiry came about. Who made the decision and why sort of thing.
*"The police admitted false imprisonment negligence in relation to the planning" needs a bit of a tweak to make sense
* Move the drugs tip-off info into the prelude? It would seem to make more sense to have that all in the build up
* Mention that there were six flats – it reads as if the three of them alone shared the building, rather than other tenants
* You repeat the positions and first names of 'Sussex's chief constable, Paul Whitehouse, his deputy, Mark Jordan' a few times, which can be trimmed

Overall I think this covers all the main points I would hope to see, with only the details above that point to anything missing (I know nothing about the case, and so my impression is only based on what I've read here). It's an interesting one overall and nicely pulled together. Cheers - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 22:34, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

{{Talk:Death of James Ashley/GA1}}

== Requested move 3 July 2020 ==
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The result of the move request was: Move all {{nac}}  ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] &#183; [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 00:53, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
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* [[:Death of James Ashley]] → {{no redirect|Shooting of James Ashley}}
* [[:Death of Jean Charles de Menezes]] → {{no redirect|Shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes}}
* [[:Death of Mark Duggan]] → {{no redirect|Shooting of Mark Duggan}}
* [[:Death of Anthony Grainger]] → {{no redirect|Shooting of Anthony Grainger}}
* [[:Death of Azelle Rodney]] → {{no redirect|Shooting of Azelle Rodney}}
* [[:Death of Harry Stanley]] → {{no redirect|Shooting of Harry Stanley}}
* [[:Death of Yassar Yaqub]] → {{no redirect|Shooting of Yassar Yaqub}}
– The usual convention for articles on Wikipedia that are about deaths by shooting is "Shooting of" (unless they are clearly murder and are called "Murder of"). This is consistent across many articles{{snd}} see the consistent naming pattern of the large number of articles in [[:Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in the United States]], [[:Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Canada]], [[:Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Australia]], [[:Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Germany]], [[:Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Thailand]], and similar categories for most other countries. This has been supported by recent consensus in several RM discussions, including the recent multi-article RMs at [[Talk:Shooting of Roni Levi]], [[Talk:Shooting of Sammy Yatim]] , [[Talk:Shooting of Breonna Taylor]], and [[Talk:Shooting of Atatiana Jefferson]], and also single-page RM discussions at [[Talk:Shooting of Chaiyaphum Pasae]], [[Talk:Shooting of Benno Ohnesorg]], and [[Talk:Shooting of Yoshihiro Hattori]]. This change would apply the same convention for [[:Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in the United Kingdom]]. —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 07:44, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support all''' per detailed nomination [adjusting typo: [[Shooting of Death of Jean Charles de Menezes]]]. Standard forms of main title headers for Wikipedia articles delineating deaths by firearm.&nbsp;—[[User:Roman Spinner|'''Roman Spinner''']] <small>[[User talk:Roman Spinner|(talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Roman Spinner|contribs)]]</small> 18:24, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support all''' - it's not disputed that they were all shot. [[User:Jim Michael|Jim Michael]] ([[User talk:Jim Michael|talk]]) 17:54, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support all''', it is not disputed that they were all shot, and shooting is more specific as to the cause of death.--[[User:Bob not snob|Bob not snob]] ([[User talk:Bob not snob|talk]]) 07:37, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – Several of these were ruled as "killing" or "homicide". For example, [[Death of Azelle Rodney|Azelle Rodney]] was legally ruled as an [[unlawful killing]]. Titling these articles as "shooting"s is euphemistic. ---&nbsp;[[User talk:Coffeeandcrumbs|<span style="color:blue">C</span>]]&amp;[[Special:Contributions/Coffeeandcrumbs|<span style="color:#663366">C</span>&nbsp;(]][[User:Coffeeandcrumbs|Coffeeandcrumbs]]) 10:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
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== Shooting of vs Killing of? ==

Is there a reason this isn't at Killing of? I didn't see any discussion other than the multi-article move request from Death of. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 16:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)