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==Untitled==
Did anyone notice in the webcast when Skagra finds information on the Doctor on his ship it flashes past: Gary, Robbie, Mark, Howard, Jason, the names of [[Take That]]?--[[User:GingerM|GingerM]] 17:26, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:It also has other references like: Pew, Pew, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble, Grub and lots more.--[[User:GingerM|GingerM]] 17:29, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Stub?==
I may get my pinkies slapped, but I removed the stub tag.  This entry sure seems thorough to me.[[User:Konczewski|Konczewski]] 20:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
:It's missing a Plot Summary.[[User:Litefoot|Litefoot]] 06:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
:It's missing the original TV version's cast!![[User:Zigwithbag|Zigwithbag]] 02:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Both problems seem fixed to me, but it still seems somewhat light-weight when compared with other Doctor Who episodes --[[User:Antreid|Antreid]] ([[User talk:Antreid|talk]]) 22:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

==References==
Well, I added a few, but there's plenty of unsubstatiated claims in here.  If anyone has the various books and suchlike that it looks like people have read when writing the info in here, please take the trouble to add references where helpful to back up the various statements.--[[User:Antreid|Antreid]] ([[User talk:Antreid|talk]]) 22:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

==Two versions one page?==
I was confused by this page and thought there was no cast listing, because in the main section is the cast list of the second remade version. This is somewhat confusing for people who are not diehard wiki makers, on a usability level! I suspect others coming here will often have this problem. Thank you for the reversion, as I didn't want to duplicate data. However:
I suggest splitting the page into one for the original version and one for the new version, so the cast listing can go where it belongs, and not confuse visitors to the page looking for the original cast. [[User:Richardhod|Richardhod]] ([[User talk:Richardhod|talk]]) 04:36, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

== Updating article ==

I'm going to start [[WP:BOLD|boldly]] updating this article. Revert if you think there needs to be consensus for anything I update. Of course, I will be adding references for ''anything that is challenged, or likely to be challenged''. I'd like to work with anybody that's seen the 1992 VHS or 2003 webcast, because I haven't and I have a bunch of questions. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/64.40.61.24|64.40.61.24]] ([[User talk:64.40.61.24|talk]]) 15:06, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:I'm formatting the references to [[WP:LDR]] to make it easier to work on the article and easier to detail the refs. Everybody is welcome to revert. [[Special:Contributions/64.40.61.24|64.40.61.24]] ([[User talk:64.40.61.24|talk]]) 16:19, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
::I've removed the refimprove tag. Please use {{tl|fact}} for any specific issues. [[Special:Contributions/64.40.61.24|64.40.61.24]] ([[User talk:64.40.61.24|talk]]) 21:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
'''Question:''' Anybody know how the 1992 VHS release was presented? I found that it was only 101 minutes long. Was it in six short episodes, or in ''movie format'' or was it something else? [[Special:Contributions/64.40.61.24|64.40.61.24]] ([[User talk:64.40.61.24|talk]]) 22:06, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:I've got one somewhere... need to dig it out. It's the [http://www.timelash.com/tardis/display.asp?788#uk UK edition] including script book. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 10:20, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
::It's episodic: each of the six episodes has the normal complement of opening and closing titles, but the total running time for just the episodes totals 106 min; adding on the introduction and additional closing credits comes to just over 109 min. This is broken down as follows:
::*00:02:45 Introduction
::*00:21:45 Part One
::*00:17:54 Part Two
::*00:17:27 Part Three
::*00:17:40 Part Four
::*00:14:10 Part Five
::*00:17:03 Part Six
::*00:00:36 Closing credits
::Besides these there are the copyright notice, plus idents before and after for a total recorded time of slightly under 111 minutes. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 13:47, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Wow. Thank you very kindly, Redrose64. Much appreciated. [[Special:Contributions/64.40.60.11|64.40.60.11]] ([[User talk:64.40.60.11|talk]]) 16:52, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

== Clips from Shada ==

I know from an attached documentary to the 25th anniversary release of [[The Five Doctors]] that the all-famous punting scene was used when he was snatched from time. There could be more scenes used in the other stories, but I don't know either way. [[Special:Contributions/203.11.71.124|203.11.71.124]] ([[User talk:203.11.71.124|talk]]) 04:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
:AFAIK only three ''Shada'' clips were subsequently used, and all in ''The Five Doctors'' as originally broadcast: the punting scene; a still from a scene in Professor Chronotis' room (shown on the time scoop monitor); and the scene where the Doctor is lying at the bottom of a gate and then joins Romana in the TARDIS. The "Special Edition" of ''The Five Doctors'' also uses three clips, but all are taken from the punting scene. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 13:15, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
::Just to add to Redrose64's info I think that there were two different stills used for when they were trapped in the time scoop. One in the original broadcast and VHS release and a different one in the subsequent VHS and DVD special editions. Ive always enjoyed the scene of him running into the TARDIS as one end of his scarf catches in the door and dematerialises with the rest of the TARDIS. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]] | [[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 17:00, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gareth Roberts Novel ==

The Gareth Roberts novel is still listed as yet to be released on many websites in North America.  Has it been released in other countries to date? --[[Special:Contributions/66.110.6.119|66.110.6.119]] ([[User talk:66.110.6.119|talk]]) 12:15, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:The current release date I believe is June 26 http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/Doctor-Who-shada-Douglas-Adams-Gareth-Roberts/9780425259986-item.html?ikwid=shada&ikwsec=Home --[[Special:Contributions/66.110.6.119|66.110.6.119]] ([[User talk:66.110.6.119|talk]]) 12:40, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
::It's definitely on sale in the UK, I saw one about a week ago. I'm waiting for the paperback (because all my Target DW novels are pb). --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 15:59, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

==Dirk Gently==
The suggestion that ''Shada'' is the basis for ''Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency'' seems tenuous at best, and it lacks a source.  Should it be removed?  I only know the plot from the TV series so I should not do the removing. [[User:ZarhanFastfire|ZarhanFastfire]] ([[User talk:ZarhanFastfire|talk]]) 05:16, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
:The TV series [[Dirk Gently (TV series)|''Dirk Gently'']] deviates significantly from the book ''[[Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency]]''. There are certainly a lot of plot elements from ''Shada'' which Douglas Adams - who wrote both - incorporated into ''Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency'' - St Cedd's College; Professor Chronotis; the room which is actually a time machine. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 07:53, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

== Synopsis ==

As a long time fan of the "classic" series I am unhappy about the flippant tone of the story synopsis as of 17th July 2015. I am therefore going to amend it slightly to remove the "would-be conquerors of the universe" phrases. I wish my fellow fans would remember that this show was aimed promarily at children and megalomaniacs such as Skagra do make suitable baddies. There is no need to trash the story by trivialising it with silly language.

Clearly as this matter is not one of great consequence, I do not intend to start a debate on this issue... [[User:John2o2o2o|John2o2o2o]] ([[User talk:John2o2o2o|talk]]) 19:44, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

:While not commenting on any changes (and I wish you well with them) it is a misconception to say the show was "aimed at children" by then. Yes that had been the original writ for the programme but that was gone by the time of the Baker era. Else why would Leela by so scantily clad and Mary Whitehouse complain so much. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]&#124;[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 20:38, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, it seems I cannot spell. I meant to say the show was aimed 'primarily' (ie, not exclusively) at children. [[User:John2o2o2o|John2o2o2o]] ([[User talk:John2o2o2o|talk]]) 11:51, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

And to answer your questions Marnette. This is my understanding of the matters:
(1) Leela's clothing was designed to keep the dad's interested at a time when such things were considered acceptable. (She wasn't always dressed like that though, it should be said!) 
(2) Mary Whitehouse (and others) got upset ... to repeat myself again ... because the show was considered to be aimed primarily at children... [[User:John2o2o2o|John2o2o2o]] ([[User talk:John2o2o2o|talk]]) 11:59, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

== Shada to be completed ==

Shada is to be completed using animated scenes to bridge between the completed live action scenes.

http://www.doctorwho.tv/whats-new/article/unfinished-fourth-doctor-classic-shada-to-be-finally-completed  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/135.23.190.27|135.23.190.27]] ([[User talk:135.23.190.27#top|talk]]) 00:55, 10 October 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:{{Check mark|15}} Details now added [[User:Dom Kaos|~dom Kaos~]] ([[User talk:Dom Kaos|talk]]) 20:26, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

== Revisions ==

The lede paragraph commencing "Previous attempts to present.." didn't make grammatical sense, so I revised it until it did. Whether it is still truthful must be judged by an expert on the serial. [[User:Harfarhs|Harfarhs]] ([[User talk:Harfarhs|talk]]) 03:02, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

==US airing==
A thread has been started here [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who#US airing of Shada]] to form a consensus on how the BBCA broadcast of the reconstruction of this story. Please add your input there. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]&#124;[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 00:27, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

== Title ==

The correct title of this article should be <code>''Shada'' (''Doctor Who'')</code> instead of its current title <code>''Shada'' (Doctor Who)</code> per [[MOS:ITALICTITLE]]. '''[[User:BeatlesLedTV|BeatlesLedTV]]''' ([[User talk:BeatlesLedTV|talk]]) 18:27, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks fr the note {{u|BeatlesLedTV}}. I've made the necessary edits to get things fixed. Cheers. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]&#124;[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 18:54, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

== Britbox version ==

Just got to Shada on Britbox and delighted to see Tom live-action in costume and character for the final scene (a fair trade for losing the BBC video intro!) and thought it was worthy of note... However I'm not sure which version of the two animated reconstructions Britbox uses. [[User:BoomboxTestarossa|BoomboxTestarossa]] ([[User talk:BoomboxTestarossa|talk]]) 22:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)