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== A quite comical - but nevertheless peculiar and damaging to Wikipedia's reputation - Anglocentrism in the composition of this article. ==

(1) The first point of concern was what I saw in the lead, unsourced it will not surprise you to learn, which makes the rather grandiose claim that "The completion of the Scientific Revolution is attributed to the "grand synthesis" of [[Isaac Newton]]'s 1687 ''Principia''." In the ''Encyclopedia of the Scientific Revolution: From Copernicus to Newton''(2000, ed. W. Applebaum, Routledge, NY) I cannot find this phrase or sentiment. It continues "The work formulated the laws of motion and universal gravitation, thereby completing the synthesis of a new cosmology." Most certainly, but does that signify a "grand synthesis" that ended the Scientific Revolution? Perhaps, but I would be very skeptical,

(2) The first paragraph of the introduction proceeds reasonably and without controversy, highlighting how jolting, paradigm-shifting advances in science have often been term "revolutionary" (calling on the authority of conventionally celebrated figures of]the Scientific Revolution such as [[Alexis Clairaut]]<ref>a French mathematician, astronomer, and geophysicist. He was a prominent Newtonian whose work helped to establish the validity of the principles and results that Sir Isaac Newton had outlined in the Principia of 1687</ref> and [[Antoine Lavoisier]]<ref>a chemist who was central to the 18th-century chemical revolution and who had a large influence on both the history of chemistry and the history of biology... Lavoisier is most noted for his discovery of the role oxygen plays in combustion. He recognized and named oxygen (1778) and hydrogen (1783), and opposed the phlogiston theory. Lavoisier helped construct the metric system, wrote the first extensive list of elements, and helped to reform chemical nomenclature. He predicted the existence of silicon (1787) and discovered that, although matter may change its form or shape, its mass always remains the same.</ref>. However, the article then goes on to quote the English theologian and poet [[William Whewell]]... using a quote from him to  say "this gave rise" to the "common view of the Scientific Revolution today", as elucidated by the [[Encyclopedia Britannica]]

(3) The next paragraph appears to me as a travesty of [[Original Research]]. Repeating my edit summary "the author of this paragraph seems to be making a lineal causal link from Copernicus to [[Newton]] to [[Bacon]] to Galileo as the "Beginning, Middle, and End" of the Scientific Revolution. Such a claim would require exquisite referencing to overcome its presumed extreme reductionism/oversimplification."

(4) In the section '''Significance''' we a treated to a conventional summation of the SR effects by one [[Joseph Ben-David]]. Followed by a 1611 poem from [[English]] religious writer [[John Donne]] (seriously!), some commentary from mid-20th-century [[English]] historian [[Herbert Butterfield]] and then we here from Australian gentleman called [[Peter Harrison]], who largely focuses on religion and works at a 5th-rate University in Australia, who tells the reader that Christianity was a major contributor to the Scientific Revolution. 

(5) In the section '''Empiricism''', seven individuals are mentioned, all of them [[British]], except for [[Descartes]] who is aligned against the empiricists as a rationalist (although this is not fully explained for the reader). 

(6) In the section '''Baconian Science''' (what?), we are told "The philosophical underpinnings of the Scientific Revolution were laid out by Francis Bacon, who has been called the father of empiricism." Even Bacon himself acknowledged Italian philosopher [[Bernardino Telesio]], who had influenced [[Pierre Gassendi]] long before Bacon came on the scene. Instead we are only told of [[Hume]], [[Berkeley]], [[Hobbes]], and [[William Gilbert]]. As if [[[Condillac]], [[Alhazen]], [[Didorot]], [[Helvétius]], [[Moritz Schlick]] and [[Rudolf Carnap]] never existed. Also the reader would have no idea that the extreme empiricist philosophy of Berkeley for instance, would not only be intolerable to contemporary scientific minds but his theories of optics have been decisively disproven by modern medical, technological, and scientific advances.

I could go on, but I'm running out of steam. Time fae ma bed. [[User:EnlightenmentNow1792|EnlightenmentNow1792]] ([[User talk:EnlightenmentNow1792|talk]]) 08:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Not Sure how do you do responses, but to the baconian science section issue, just saying that Alhazen was not read by all of these, and the scientific revolution was adopted somewhat independently, or maybe there is some kind of link I just do not know.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/36.83.186.34|36.83.186.34]] ([[User talk:36.83.186.34#top|talk]]) 06:39, 21 January 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Feel free to edit the article. [[User:Dan100|Dan100]] ([[User talk:Dan100|Talk]]) 20:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I suspect the author leaned heavily on Steven Shapin's "The Scientific Revolution" - the general scope of the article follows Chapter 1, at least. That said, I would consider challenging the term "revolution" and instead consider that the events that comprised the scientific revolution were in fact more evolutionary. And to Shapin's point, the "revolution" wasn't reverting back to anything; if anything, it was refuting Aristotelian philosophy. [[User:AFineClaret|AFineClaret]] ([[User talk:AFineClaret|talk]]) 19:00, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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== Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2023 ==

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In the Wikipedia article on the "Scientific Revolution", the photo associated with the "Renaissance" hyperlink i.e. found ion the line "...The Scientific Revolution took place in Europe starting towards the second half of the Renaissance period" and the term "Scientific Renaissance" seems inappropriate, perhaps a deliberate lampoon. I would suggest another photo, perhaps of Isaac Newton. [[Special:Contributions/2601:603:4C7E:4C10:1531:83E2:2047:ACE8|2601:603:4C7E:4C10:1531:83E2:2047:ACE8]] ([[User talk:2601:603:4C7E:4C10:1531:83E2:2047:ACE8|talk]]) 23:15, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:The person who loves reading|The person who loves reading]] ([[User talk:The person who loves reading|talk]]) 23:18, 31 March 2023 (UTC)