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==Fake quote==

This: The feast of St. Valentine of February 14 was first established in 496 by Pope Gelasius I, who included Valentine among all those "... whose names are justly reverenced among men, but whose acts are known only to God."

Those words quoted are from the Decretum Gelasianum 4 which does not mention Valentine at all, and isn't by Gelasius.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C5:C153:6F01:B689:3EE9:E44B:2BC7|2A00:23C5:C153:6F01:B689:3EE9:E44B:2BC7]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C5:C153:6F01:B689:3EE9:E44B:2BC7#top|talk]]) 23:09, 17 January 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

===CIRCULAR LINK===
The 17th Link given is to Catholic Online...which is in turn quoting this wiki page!  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Whitelaughter|Whitelaughter]] ([[User talk:Whitelaughter|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Whitelaughter|contribs]]) 09:31, 14 February 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== EPILEPSY ==
I read in my guide to Epilepsy that St. Valentine is the patron saint of the condition. I don't know how widely recognised it is but, if it can be adequately sourced, I think it should be included. I'll look for further references but if anyone else knows anything about it go ahead. [[User:PlayCollective|PlayCollective]] 15:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

*"Apparently, Claudius had outlawed marriage in Rome due to the fact that he perceived families as weakening his army. Saint Valentine, however, refused to obey this edict and continued practicing marriage ceremonies. Eventually, Claudius found out about this and had him imprisoned...." 
:If a source could be found for this fantasy, it could go right into the article. As it is, it's nonsense. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] 07:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

::I don't think that this information should be excluded, but it should be properly identified as being apocryphal. (I've heard this myth, as well as a few others). It is factual that there are numerous legends about St Valentine, and it is quite proper to detail the existence of this mythology (while maintaining its total lack of factual basis). [[User:Manning Bartlett|Manning]] 01:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

:::We don't ordinarily ever "hear" rumors about Roman history (and pop them right into Wikipedia): we ''read'' them.  Once this silly bit has been sourced, then the silliness is not Wikipedia's silliness and there's no problem. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] 03:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think St. Valentine "murdered thousands of Jews." Perhaps that part should be removed or at least citations should be provided. [[User:74.166.108.247|74.166.108.247]] 20:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

It appears the epilepsy thing applies to [[Valentine of Passau|this guy]]. [[User:Thmazing|Thmazing]] ([[User talk:Thmazing|talk]]) 20:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

:Ah. In which case, this article should have it removed? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

==Martyered how?==
How did the 3 St V 'candidates' die? There seems no actual facts about them...my name is bob
i for one am a good friend of the popes and there are alote of mis uderstanding in this page and you might want to cheak some of youre dates sorry plz forive my acent i am french and new to this  langedge but it was pretty good  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/97.64.202.94|97.64.202.94]] ([[User talk:97.64.202.94|talk]]) 15:37, 12 December 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== WE KNOW HIS BIRTHPLACE ==
The article shows some mistakes, especially about the Irish and French relics. Where are the sources?

The '' sponsio'', the marriage or ''ius conubii'', and the ''conventius in manus'', meaning ''confarreatio'' and ''coemptio'', were never prohibited. Also, it is a mistake the following sentence: "His birth date and birthplace are unknown." 

If we consider the most reliable sources of Vaticano,, we have that Saint Valentine was a Roman citizen born in Terni, Umbria (Italy) in 175 AD and was killed in the year 273 by another Roman, Placidus Furius, who obeyd his emperor Aurelius (aka Aurelianus) because the religious Valentine had practiced a Christian marriage between a pagan soldier of Rome, Sabinus, and a young Christian, Serapias. You can also read Professor Valentina Nonnoi's writing on "il Sardegna" #38-IV, feb 8 2007. 

Saint Valentine is really existed, we know his birth and birthplace, and his true relics can be only found in two different regions of Italy, Sardinia and Umbria. Other relics are fake or not recognized by Vaticano. 

The legend about the lovers started during the Middle Ages and even later in France and England, but it has nothing to do with the true story of this Roman Saint, whose birthplace is well known. P.S. Terni once belonged to Rome.

Please, about Terni and Saint Valentine read the webpages: 
http://www.bellaumbria.net/Terni/San_Valentino.htm
http://www.umbriaearte.it/spiritualita.htm
--[[User:Jeandré du Toit|Jack]] 16:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:"The most reliable sources of Vaticano" might be double-checked at ''Catholic Encyclopedia'', for a start. Asserting the legend only makes it so in [[hagiography]]. --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] 03:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bio/100.html St Valentine died for his God first of all, and for no other reason, that is huge misconception that people got used to over centuries~!  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.107.1.213|64.107.1.213]] ([[User talk:64.107.1.213|talk]]) 23:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== ST VALENTINE REMAINS ARE REPUTED TO BE IN DUBLIN AND MADRID ==

It may not be widely known outside Ireland that the Carmelite Church in Whitefriar Street in Dublin City claims to hold the remains of St Valentine. The Carmelites first arrived in Ireland in 1271, and today there is a community of 17 in the Monastery attached to Whitefriar Street Church. The story of how the remains of St Valentine came to rest in Whitefriar Street is interesting, and involves a famous nineteenth-century Carmelite attached to the Church, Fr John Spratt. Fr Spratt visited Rome in 1835, and apparently largely on the strength of his powers as a preacher, Pope Gregory XVI decided to make his Church a gift of St Valentine's body, then believed to be in the Cemetery of St Hippolitus in Rome. The remains of Valentine were duly transferred to Whitefriar Street Church in 1836, and since that date have been venerated there, especially around the time of the Saint's Feast Day.

As is the case with some other famous saints, there are rival claimants for the honour of possessing the body of St Valentine, and in view of past scandals concerning the manufacture and sale of relics, authenticating them is notoriously difficult. Thus some accounts claim that the remains of St Valentine were in fact buried in the Church of St Praxedes in Rome. It is stated that Valentine of Terni is buried in that town, and an effigy of him in bishop's dress may be viewed there. In 1999 there was widespread newspaper and television coverage of the claim that St Francis's Church in Glasgow holds the 'real' relics of St Valentine. In response to the implication that Whitefriar Street possesses only a False Valentine, there were calls for DNA testing, which of course are wide of the mark as there exists no point of comparison. Yet it may legitimately be asked how a Dublin priest could have persuaded tourism-conscious Romans to part with such a draw as the complete remains of St Valentine, and what we have here is a minor historical mystery. Perhaps a selection of relics is all that might have been donated to Dublin, and publication of relevant contemporary documents would help to throw some light on the matter.

The Whitefriar Street Carmelites have now published online the following translation of a letter in Latin which accompanied the remains of St Valentine when they arrived in Dublin:

:::We, Charles, by the divine mercy, Bishop of Sabina of the Holy Roman Church, Cardinal Odescalchi Arch Priest of the Sacred Liberian Basilica, Vicar General of our most Holy Father the Pope and Judge in Ordinary of the Roman Curia and of its Districts, etc, etc.

:::To all and everyone who shall inspect these our present letters, we certify and attest, that for the greater glory of the omnipotent God and veneration of his saints, we have freely given to the Very Reverend Father Spratt, Master of Sacred Theology of the Order of Calced Carmelites of the convent of that Order at Dublin, in Ireland, the blessed body of St Valentine, martyr, which we ourselves by the command of the most Holy Father Pope Gregory XVI on the 27th day of December 1835, have taken out of the cemetery of St Hippolytus in the Tiburtine Way, together with a small vessel tinged with his blood and have deposited them in a wooden case covered with painted paper, well closed, tied with a red silk ribbon and sealed with our seals and we have so delivered and consigned to him, and we have granted unto him power in the Lord, to the end that he may retain to himself, give to others, transmit beyond the city (Rome) and in any church, oratory or chapel, to expose and place the said blessed holy body for the public veneration of the faithful without, however, an Office and Mass, conformably to the decree of the Sacred Congregation of Rites, promulgated on the 11th day of August 1691.

:::In testimony whereof, these letters, testimonial subscribed with our hand, and sealed with our seal, we have directed to be expedited by the undersigned keeper of sacred relics.

:::Rome, from our Palace, the 29th day of the month of January 1836.

:::C.Cardinal Vicar

:::Regd. Tom 3. Page 291

:::Philip Ludovici Pro-Custos


For those wishing to visit St Valentine's Shrine in Dublin, Whitefriar Street Church is located between Aungier Street and Wexford Street, and is just a few minutes' walk west of St Stephen's Green. Within the Whitefriar Street Church building there is a shop where one can purchase various souvenirs, such as cards, keyrings and other material bearing Valentine's image. Unlike most other surviving inner city churches in Dublin, Whitefriar Street always seems to be busy, and as well as the shrine to St Valentine, there are shrines to the Black Madonna and St Albert. The Whitefriar Street Fathers today emphasise St Valentine's association 'with young people and their needs as they grow into maturity and adult life'. To express it more romantically, the Whitefriar Street Shrine to St Valentine has been and continues to be a place of pilgrimage for those celebrating love - as well as for those who have lost it or have yet to find it!  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.46.203.39|86.46.203.39]] ([[User talk:86.46.203.39|talk]]) 10:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


There's another set of nearly complete remains in Madrid, at the Real Iglesia de San Anton on Calle Horteleza. If you scroll down on this page, there's a photo of the reliquary.

http://www.fotomadrid.com/verArticulo/84

Predictably, his feast day is celebrated on February 14th.

== Repeated ==

In "Relics an..", the last two chapters, are well.. repeated, but with different words. I wanted to bring this to light, as I am not expert on the subject, so, maybe someone who is can select the most accurate information. I would, in my unexperienced opinion, favour the last. [[Special:Contributions/205.211.221.52|205.211.221.52]] ([[User talk:205.211.221.52|talk]]) 05:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Original research ==

The lead is filled with original research and should be corrected.

A few problems: "Of the Saint Valentine whose feast is on February 14, nothing is known except his name and that he was buried at the Via Flaminia north of Rome on February 14." There are three Valentines with feast dates at Feb 14 and two were buried there. 

"It is even uncertain whether the feast of that day celebrates only one saint or more saints of the same name" This is certain.

"For this reason this liturgical commemoration was not kept in the Roman Catholic calendar of saints for universal liturgical veneration as revised in 1969." Source does not say anything but that the date wasn't listed. 

"The name "Valentine" does not occur in the earliest list of Roman martyrs, compiled by the Chronographer of 354." Original research and synthesis. It implies that he would be one of the original people, or that there was only one martyrology. 

The Catholic Encyclopedia reference (current number seven) would have revealed this, so the lead should be fixed accordingly or references supplied to verify what is stated. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 04:21, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
:Perhaps you'd do just that.--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman|talk]]) 08:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
::I don't have the time to look up each of the sources. I was hoping the person that added in the hard copies cited would still be around to do it. :) I only make a mention now because of Valentine's day coming up and people will probably wander onto this page. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 14:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Of your four points, the first, second, and fourth are quotes, not original research.  The second point is poorly sourced, though highly likely.  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tachypaidia|Tachypaidia]] ([[User talk:Tachypaidia|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tachypaidia|contribs]]) 01:33, 2 March 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==This article is being beset by vandalism!==
I noticed that the Saint Valentine article has been beset by vandals and it keeps on being attacked.  I restored the sections that were undone by vandalism, and still it keeps being attacked!  Will somebody please stop the vandals from terrorizing this article, please? --[[User:Angeldeb82|Angeldeb82]] ([[User talk:Angeldeb82|talk]]) 16:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

==Valentine was born on April 16?!==

I noticed that St. Valentine was "born on April 16" in the article.  But I just don't think it's right, as there is no history page that says that Valentine was born on April 16! --[[User:Angeldeb82|Angeldeb82]] ([[User talk:Angeldeb82|talk]]) 15:57, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
::The false statement: ''"He (Valentine) was born on April 16"'' was a vandalism entered by '''Buckmanclemens 14''' on 15 April 2011, 20:03. ( N.B. A well constructed, "trust-inspiring" author's name; used only once ! ). ''User: 70.239.1.119, 20:20, 1 August 2012‎  (UTC)''

==Is There No One To Protect This Page From Vandalism?==

== Over protected ==

Paragraph three can be greatly shortened.  It reads interminably negitivly and does not give Clear referance for the church placing Valentine on the marter calander only.  There are many feasts and the church tries to maintain a core cannon for serivces.  While the accounts are many they do give a clear sense of marderdom and miraculus work.  Yet the page reads is if there is nothing to read.

I found the heigeography facinating and very tender.  And while people live in a mostly chrostian world today, this story shows that ancoent times were not so kind.  The fact that people were marring to avoid war was enough to have him killed.. And the forced religion version is also reprehencible to modern ears.
What we see is an early worker in the conversiom of the world to christian valies of tolerance and kindness against the back drop of a brutal regime.
This is echoed on the stpry of christ where he was to be beaten and released !  but then was held to see which inmate the crows wanted to free.
They chose the murderer, fioend, cronie..  It was a lesson about the limits of democracy and the pedyness of rulers.

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=="The Valentine"==
The usage and primary topic of "{{noredirect|The Valentine}}" is under discussion, see [[Talk:Valentine Richmond History Center]] -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.43.89|65.94.43.89]] ([[User talk:65.94.43.89|talk]]) 04:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

== Removal of the Eastern Orthodox Church from Venerated in ==

According to the [[Typikon]] of the Great Church of Christ (Τυπικὸν τῆς Μεγάλης τοῦ Χριστοῦ ᾽Εκκλησίας) and the liturgical calendar (or [[synaxarium|συναξάριον]]) Saint Valentine is not venerated nor on July 6 nor on July 30, nor on February 14, because there exit no Saint Valentine (Βαλεντίνος), nor Saint Valentinian or Valentian (Ουαλεντιανός or Ουαλεντίνος) in the Greek Orthodox Church, and all the Orthodox Churches of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople. 

The references to prove that Saint Valentine is venerated in the Eastern Orthodox Church are the relative pages-articles on the website of the Orthodox Church in America. Orthodox Church in America [[Orthodox Church in America#Recognition of autocephaly|is not recognized as autocephalous by the Patriarchate of Constantinople and many other Orthodox Churches]]. 
The liturgical calendar names all the saints and events commemorated each day of the liturgical year. Here is the liturgical calendar from the official site of the Church of Greece:
[http://www.ecclesia.gr/greek/synaxaire/synaxari.asp?perday=yes&day=14&minas=2&show=all February 14]

[http://www.ecclesia.gr/greek/synaxaire/synaxari.asp?perday=yes&day=6&minas=7&show=all July 6]

[http://www.ecclesia.gr/greek/synaxaire/synaxari.asp?perday=yes&day=30&minas=7&show=all July 30]

No Saint Valentine. The official recognition of one as a saint from a denomination or a Church is one thing, and the unofficial “cult” or acknowledgment as a saint from people is another thing. Thus I removed the general “Eastern Orthodox Church”, because officially there is no such Saint in the Greek Orthodox Church, and all the Orthodox Churches that follow the Ecumenical Patriarchate Typikon. The Orthodox Church in America is recognized by the Russian Orthodox Church, so I guess it venerates the saints and follows the Typicon and liturgical calendar of that the Russian Orthodox Church? I don’t know. Thus, if someone wants to find evidence (or only use these two references), can add in “Venerated in” [[Russian Orthodox Church]] or what other Easter Orthodoxy Church he /she finds evidence that venerates a Saint Valentine. [[User:Wolfymoza|Wolfymoza]] ([[User talk:Wolfymoza|talk]]) 12:25, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

According to the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia calendar here, St. Valentine is commemorated on August 12 / July 30 (NS/OS), so would this justify inclusion of Orthodox veneration? -- http://www.holytrinityorthodox.com/calendar/index.htm?year=2017&today=12&month=8&trp=0
20:55, 14 February 2016 Anonymous [[Special:Contributions/67.149.75.100|67.149.75.100]] ([[User talk:67.149.75.100|talk]]) 20:56, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

== inconsistent wikipedia versions of Saint Valentine's story ==

I note that the English and Italian versions of the Saint Valentine / San Valentino story are at odds on several points with each other, e.g.: 1) the English page talks about several "Valentines", whereas the Italian is focused on the bishop of Terni; 2) more historically notable, the English version affirms that Valentine was executed by order of the Roman emperor Claudius II "The Gothic", whereas the Italian version says that Claudius gave him a pardon after having him arrested, but that later Claudius' successor, Aurelianus, had him arrested again and this time executed. I understand that a lot is uncertain about Valentine, but coordination among the versions in different languages of the same wikipedia subject seems something doable ... (or not? :) )[[Special:Contributions/72.67.145.112|72.67.145.112]] ([[User talk:72.67.145.112|talk]]) 20:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)  Sergio Guarro (native of Terni living in the US)

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== St. Valentine's religion ==

Saint Valentine was Catholic as were all Christians until after 1517. He is referred to in this article as a "Roman Saint". The fact is that all saints were declared so by the Catholic Church. No other religion has deems people to be saints. [[Special:Contributions/2600:4040:B0E3:7D00:2D56:3BB8:D55:30B7|2600:4040:B0E3:7D00:2D56:3BB8:D55:30B7]] ([[User talk:2600:4040:B0E3:7D00:2D56:3BB8:D55:30B7|talk]]) 13:17, 14 February 2023 (UTC)