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== scale colors? ==

Out of curiosity, does someone know where did the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane scale color scheme start out? for example, http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/

the current article (as of sept. 28) uses an alternative scale coloring scheme (white, yellow, orange, red)

== Adding Ian ==

Ian was the third most damaging Atlantic Hurricane on record, only behind Harvey and Katrina. It definitely deserves some spot on this list. [[User:Mitch199811|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶Mitch</span>]][[User talk:Mitch199811|<span style="color: goldenrod">199811</span>]][[special:contributions/Mitch199811|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶</span>]] 18:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

:Nope Ian does not deserve a spot as it didnt make landfall as a Category 5 hurricane, as the rule of thumb has been that a system has to both peak and make landfall at the same intensity before it is listed. This is why Katrina isnt included.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 02:00, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
::But neither does Milton, by ''that'' logic. Milton never made Category 5 landfall, it only hit Florida at Category 3. [[Special:Contributions/80.2.69.220|80.2.69.220]] ([[User talk:80.2.69.220|talk]]) 16:06, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
:::I have reverted the change. [[User:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶Qux</span>]][[User talk:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">yz</span>]][[special:contributions/Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶</span>]] 16:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

== Possible additional source for the section on proposed extensions ==

[https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2308901121 The growing inadequacy of an open-ended Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale in a warming world], a study by Wehner and Kossin, is currently seeing a lot of media coverage for its findings that a Category 6 is increasingly justified. [[Special:Contributions/166.181.82.178|166.181.82.178]] ([[User talk:166.181.82.178|talk]]) 00:46, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

:I agree. A category 6 for hurricanes seems to be increasingly relevant, and the count of category 5 (and above, when applicable) hurricanes seems to increase lately, and it seems prudent to consider this. --[[User:Tanek|Tanek]] ([[User talk:Tanek|talk]]) 17:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

== Proposed Intuitive Color scheme ==
This is my proposed color scheme for the Saffir-Simpson scale. Any opinions and suggestions?

{| class="wikitable floatright"
|+[[Saffir–Simpson scale]], 1-minute [[Maximum sustained wind|maximum sustained winds]]
! scope="col" |Category
! scope="col" |[[Meter per second|m/s]]
! scope="col" |[[Knot (unit)|knots]]
! scope="col" |[[Miles per hour|mph]]
! scope="col" |[[Kilometers per hour|km/h]]
|- style="text-align:right; background:#980000;
! scope="row" |5
|{{nowrap|≥ 70}}
|{{nowrap|≥ 137}}
|{{nowrap|≥ 157}}
|{{nowrap|≥ 252}}
|- style="text-align: right; background:#ff4242;"
! scope="row" |4
|{{nowrap|58–70}}
|{{nowrap|113–136}}
|{{nowrap|130–156}}
|{{nowrap|209–251}}
|- style="text-align: right; background: #ff842b"
! scope="row" |3
|{{nowrap|50–58}}
|{{nowrap|96–112}}
|{{nowrap|111–129}}
|{{nowrap|178–208}}
|- style="text-align: right; background: #ffd37a"
! scope="row" |2
|{{nowrap|43–49}}
|{{nowrap|83–95}}
|{{nowrap|96–110}}
|{{nowrap|154–177}}
|- style="text-align: right; background: #ffffd9"
! scope="row" |1
|{{nowrap|33–42}}
|{{nowrap|64–82}}
|{{nowrap|74–95}}
|{{nowrap|119–153}}
|- style="text-align: right; background: #a3ffff; font-style: italic;"
! scope="row" |{{abbr|TS|Tropical storm}}
|{{nowrap|18–32}}
|{{nowrap|34–63}}
|{{nowrap|39–73}}
|{{nowrap|63–118}}
|- style="text-align: right; background: #6ec1ea; font-style: italic;"
! scope="row" |{{abbr|TD|Tropical depression}}
|{{nowrap|≤ 17}}
|{{nowrap|≤ 33}}
|{{nowrap|≤ 38}}
|{{nowrap|≤ 62}}
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</noinclude> [[User:INFIYNJTE|INFIYNJTE]] ([[User talk:INFIYNJTE|talk]]) 16:19, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
*Well, I like it, but the color scheme will not change anytime soon. From 2021 to 2023, there was a very (very) long [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/Colour discussions|debate and discussion pertaining to the tropical storm and tornado color schemes]] on Wikipedia. For reference, the page linked there, aka the archived discussions about it, is 629,000 bytes (characters) long. Basically, the color scheme is, in complete actuality, permanent to what it is now due to that very long 2-3 year discussion. '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 16:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
*:understood [[User:INFIYNJTE|INFIYNJTE]] ([[User talk:INFIYNJTE|talk]]) 16:42, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
*::'''Oppose''': I think the old color scheme looks better; and doesn’t blend in as much. [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 01:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
*:::There needs to be at least some blue or green for tropical depression/storm. Otherwise I oppose. [[User:WestVirginiaWX|West Virginia WXeditor]] ([[User talk:WestVirginiaWX|talk]]) 01:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
*::::Alright. Added a better color scheme to my proposal. [[User:INFIYNJTE|INFIYNJTE]] ([[User talk:INFIYNJTE|talk]]) 03:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' due to the already lengthy color debate that settled on the current scheme. [[User:TornadoLGS|TornadoLGS]] ([[User talk:TornadoLGS|talk]]) 02:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
*:I think the color for category 5 as purple is counterintuitive. The color for the other categories are fine. [[User:INFIYNJTE|INFIYNJTE]] ([[User talk:INFIYNJTE|talk]]) 03:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
*:Ok I made some changes. I think the current color scheme is counterintuitive although it is good visually. Hence, I propose a more intuitive version.
*:Category 1,2,3,4, TS, and TD can stay the same, but Category 5 should change to a darker red because it signifies it is very dangerous. [[User:INFIYNJTE|INFIYNJTE]] ([[User talk:INFIYNJTE|talk]]) 18:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
*::If you are seriously proposing a change it would have to be handled at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather]]. That being said, I am rather opposed to this because we already went through a long, arduous, and contentious process when we changed the colors in 2022. [[User:TornadoLGS|TornadoLGS]] ([[User talk:TornadoLGS|talk]]) 18:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
*::{{ec}} I know you want to make new proposals and such, and I don't want to stop you or anything like that, but honestly, nothing you propose is going to be added. The color-discussion to get the current tropical cyclone/tornado colors took over two years. The colors were changed to better fit colorblindness. In all reality, that consensus will not change, given it involved dozens of editors and so much time and effort. I would recommend scrolling through the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/Colour discussions|discussion itself]], as pretty much every combination was discussed and looked at. There is a chance your exact proposal or something almost identical to it was directly voted on and/or discussed in the discussion.
:::As another smaller point, [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] can change, however, any new discussions need to have new evidence not previously discussed to convince editors why X consensus should be looked at/overturned. Given how long and detailed the discussion is, a smaller post like this isn't going to change that consensus. '''The [[User:WeatherWriter|Weather Event Writer]]''' ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|Talk Page)]] 18:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Alright, then '''I will drop my proposal'''. The other thing took a long time and required rigorous revision to make it color-blind friendly, and that is more important than intuitive color schemes. 
::::Hence, I'm dropping my proposal indefinitely. [[User:INFIYNJTE|INFIYNJTE]] ([[User talk:INFIYNJTE|talk]]) 19:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Cat 5 Section==
A "Hipped Roof" is an overhang but the proceeding line claims that no overhangs... Doesn't make sense.<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/124.150.81.19|124.150.81.19]] ([[User talk:124.150.81.19#top|talk]]) 14:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</small>

== Update C3 landfall ==

LESLIE landfalled at Cat 3 intensity, please update. [[Special:Contributions/50.39.162.24|50.39.162.24]] ([[User talk:50.39.162.24|talk]]) 14:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
:Erm... no, it didn't? Not sure where you're getting your information. [[User:Dylan620|<span style="color:blue">Dylan</span><span style="color:purple">620</span>]] (he/him • [[User talk:Dylan620|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dylan620|edits]]) 19:28, 16 October 2024 (UTC)