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==What==
What about some information on why it is sometimes called "German" measles?  ''anon''

:Well, you can research this question yourself and add it to the article! [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 14:02, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

::Liberty Measles?  Was this some sort of WWI/WWII thing, where everything German got renamed, like [[sauerkraut|Liberty Cabbage]]? --[[Image:jsonitsacsig.gif]]<span class="nounderlinelink"><small>[[User talk:Jsonitsac|<span style="color:#999999;">talk to me</span>]]</small> <span class="nounderlinelink"><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jsonitsac|<span style="color:#999999;">crimes against humanity</span>]]</small>02:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Heh. [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 10:53, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

::The explanation for "German" differs between the English and Simple English pages. English says it actually has to do with Germany, while Simple English says it does not. English has several sources, though. Should the Simple English page be changed?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.181.156.194|71.181.156.194]] ([[User talk:71.181.156.194|talk]]) 22:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::Yes. The text on the Simple English page is similar to that on this page a while back. I researched the name and concluded that the previous text was a result of improbable folk etymology. [[User:Colin|Colin]]°[[User talk:Colin|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 22:08, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

It's german as in germane, i.e similar to, measles. That's why it's latin name is a diminutive of rubeola.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/194.176.105.56|194.176.105.56]] ([[User talk:194.176.105.56|talk]]) 17:28, 14 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Rosr-rash ==

I have redirected rose rash here.  IF I'm wrong please fixit. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich ]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough| Farmbrough]]'' 13:52, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

:rose rash of infants appears to be [[Sixth disease]]. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich ]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough| Farmbrough]]'' 14:00, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

== The Rubella Umbrella ==

One of my vague early-childhood memories is of TV ads or program segments featuring "The Rubella Umbrella", part of some sort of nonprofit campaign to do something about this disease.  This would be around the late '60s or early '70s, in the New York area. [[User:Dtobias|*Dan T.*]] 17:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
In 1970 New York City TV channel WPIX aired a "Rubella Umbrella" commercial to educate the public on the new vaccine (source: http://www.nytimes.com/1970/06/14/archives/citys-rubella-drive-on-tv-sells-children-on-need-for-shots.html?_r=0 and my memory). Actor Hugh Marlowe voiced a man asking an animated girl carrying a polka-dotted "Rubella umbrella". "Hey, little girl, what's that you're carrying? -That's my Rubella umbrella...". [[source: Hugh Marlowe was my uncle. I can't find another source for this, and I can't find a recording of the 1-minute commercial.]]
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== Rubella apparently not eradicated in the US ==

Vodcaster Cali Lewis/Luria Petrucci (of GeekBrief.TV) was diagnosed with rubella recently, as is mentioned on her webpage.[[User:130.49.36.140|130.49.36.140]] 00:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
:You are right. The US has only eliminated native cases (last one was in 2000). Eradication is some way off. [[User:Colin|Colin]]°[[User talk:Colin|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 07:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

There is a distinct difference between ''eradication'' and ''elimination'' of a disease. Elimination refers to the absence of endemic transmission. It is defined (by the CDC) as "the lack of existence of any continuous U.S.-acquired chain of transmission that persists for >12 months in any defined geographic area".[http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5411a5.htm] One case, or even a dozen cases, does not negate the elimination. Mrs. Lewis could have contracted it overseas, or from a vaccination. No-chain of transmission = absence of endemic rubella = elimination. Period.

Eradication on the other hand means the total ''elimination'' of all cases. Only one disease has ever been eradicated (that's smallpox). 

Further, even if enough information were given about this case (where did she contract rubella, had she been vaccinated, ect..) since a podcast is not verifiable nor is a blog a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. Unless the elimination declaration is rescinded (by the CDC) we should stick with the terms and conclusions outlined by the CDC.--[[User:DO11.10|DO11.10]] 22:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

== Adoption ==
I am adopting this important article. I checked the History to see if I need to tell a major contributor; but there does not seem to be one. My long term plan is to combine [[Rubella virus]] with this article. I know the virology of this subject quite well, but I will eventually need to call upon my Wiki project for medicine pals to provide input regarding the clinical, (ie. dealing with infected persons' worries).--[[User:GrahamColm|Graham<span style="color:red;">Colm</span>]][[User talk:GrahamColm|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:59, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

* I've just noticed that both "articles" direct to the ''same'' page. It's getting late. Sorry about his.--[[User:GrahamColm|Graham<span style="color:red;">Colm</span>]][[User talk:GrahamColm|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 22:26, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

:*I wish all my long term plans were resolved so quickly! Glad you're tackling this short article. I did some research into the name "German measles" a while back, which resulted in a correction to the article combined with a silly number of citations. An old "Notes and Queries" journal from 1878 had one writer speculating the origin and conducting folk etymology about "germanus". Several responses pointed out the actual association with Germany. I can dig those out if you want them. Always meant to look up the big OED somewhere to find out what they thought... [[User:Colin|Colin]]°[[User talk:Colin|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
::*I remember now that I also [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rubella&diff=142332372&oldid=141841112 did some work] on the history section. It would be great if you could check the facts and expand this. [[User:Colin|Colin]]°[[User talk:Colin|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

== Merger suggestion == 
I think it would benefit both articles if [[Rubella]] is merged with [[Congenital rubella syndrome]]. The latter is only a stub and there will be a lot of overlap if these two artcles are developed independantly.--[[User:GrahamColm|Graham<span style="color:red;">Colm</span>]][[User talk:GrahamColm|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 09:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:As it stands, the other article contains so little. An expanded Rubella would be expected to say at least as much in a section on the syndrome. However, I see some problems with the merge:
:*The syndrome is a distinct disease. Looking at the InfoBox, it has its own ICD codes and associated medical articles.
:*It would be possible to expand CRS according to [[WP:MEDMOS]] as a distinct article with its own sections (Signs, causes, pathophysiology, diagnosis, prevention, treatment, prognosis, etc.). It might not be a large article, but many of the suggested sections are appropriate. This isn't just a symptom or long-term consequence of a person's own rubella—it is a distinct condition in the child.
:*Searching PubMed for '"Congenital rubella"[TI]" finds 689 journal articles with that phrase in the title. Admittedly, the number of new articles is likely to be already on the way down, but there's plenty information out there for someone to mine.
:*There are about 50 article links to [[Congenital rubella syndrome]] (though many of those links are coming via the template "Certain conditions originating in the perinatal period"). These would then link (via a redirect) to [[Rubella]], which isn't nearly as useful if someone is interested in the congenital issues alone.
:*The vaccine was created to prevent CRS rather than rubella, which is pretty mild.
:*The statistics for the number of cases of CRS in the 1960s is quite shocking. There are still be a lot of people around who are affected with this condition. So many, I read somewhere, that the US had to build new schools for the deaf to cope with the surge.
:However, the two conditions are so intertwined that I agree some overlap would occur. And epidemics of CRS are completely associated with epidemics of Rubella so it would be very hard to discuss one but not the other. I can't make up my mind whether a merge would be good or bad. [[User:Colin|Colin]]°[[User talk:Colin|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

::I too am unsure about this merge. I think that point four is of particular importance here. Based on my experiences, I suspect that when this article becomes fuller you will find that the CRS material is ported back to a separate article anyway. If you find when you get into it that the main Rubella article is lacking without the CRS material then I would support a merge. It would indeed be very nice if the CRS article could be expanded, since this form is of particular importance with respect to complications and has defined social implications. Just my $0.02.--[[User:DO11.10|DO11.10]] ([[User talk:DO11.10|talk]]) 21:35, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::O.K. guys, I suggest that I work on the two articles as separate entities and that we ''re-consider'' a merger further down the road. In the meantime I will, hopefully, with you approval, remove the merge template. (just my £0.02 response) ;-) --[[User:GrahamColm|Graham<span style="color:red;">Colm</span>]][[User talk:GrahamColm|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 22:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:I am against the proposed merger. CRS is a topic in itself that could be discussed in detail on its own page.--[[User:Solomonfromfinland|Solomonfromfinland]] ([[User talk:Solomonfromfinland|talk]]) 16:10, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

=="german" measles==

I had a look at the german version of this page, and it has no mention of the fact that we call this disease "German measles".  Someone who can write better German than me may wish to inform them of this odd fact.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/90.197.21.34|90.197.21.34]] ([[User talk:90.197.21.34|talk]]) 23:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The original term was ''measles '''german'''us'' (Latin: similar to [[measles]]). I have never heard of the ''german physician'' explanation. [[User:Sydoc|Sydoc]] ([[User talk:Sydoc|talk]]) 03:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
::I've removed the eMedTV "explanation" as it isn't a reliable source and has no foundation. The origin of "German measles" is somewhat shrouded, as one might expect of a lay term that just comes into use (as opposed to some Latin term you might expect to find in a medical text). Notes and Queries columns from the late 19th century also discussed this, so the problem of its origins has been around for over 100 years. What is clear is that the word "German" has always been spelled with an upper-case G. The "germanus" explanation appears to be a [[False etymology|false]] or [[folk etymology]]. Perhaps {{User|GrahamColm}} has access to better sources? [[User:Colin|Colin]]°[[User talk:Colin|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 08:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

== Source dump ==

I'm cleaning up promotion at [[March of Dimes]] and here are some formatted sources:
*{{cite news|last=Brown|first=David|title=Rubella Virus Eliminated in the [[United States]]|url=p://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51912-2005Mar20.html|accessdate=October 11, 2010|newspaper=Washington Post|date=March 1, 2005}}
*{{cite journal|title=CDC, Achievements in Public Health: Elimination of Rubella and Congenital Rubella Syndrome - United States, 1969-2004|journal=MMWR Weekly|date=25|year=2005|month=March|volume=54|issue=11|pages=279–282|url=http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5411a5.htm|accessdate=October 11, 2010}} 
*{{cite web|title=Online Fact Sheet|url=http://www.paho.org/english/dd/pin/pr030922d.html|work=Pan American Health Organization|accessdate=October 11, 2010}}
*{{cite web|title=UNICEF Press Release|url=p://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51912-2005Mar20.html|work=UNICEF Website|accessdate=October 11, 2010}}
*{{cite journal|last=Irons B, Lewis M, Dahl-Regis M, Castillo-Solorzano C, Carrasco P, de Quadros C|title=Strategies to Eradicate Rubella in the English-Speaking Caribbean|pmid=11029986|doi=10.2105/AJPH.90.10.1545|journal=Am J Public Health|year=2000|volume=90|pages=1545–1549|url=http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/reprint/90/10/1545.pdf|accessdate=October 11, 2010|issue=10}}
*{{cite journal|title=CDC Conference Report|journal=U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)|date=22|year=2004|month=October|url=http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol10no11/04-0428.htm|accessdate=October 11, 2011}}
Thanks. [[User:Jesanj|Jesanj]] ([[User talk:Jesanj|talk]]) 19:18, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

== Rubella in Portuguese ==

The article included the following text:

:The name rubella is sometimes confused with rubeola, an alternative name for measles in English-speaking countries; the diseases are unrelated. In some other European languages, like Portuguese or Spanish, rubella and rubeola are synonyms, and rubeola is not an alternative name for measles.

I have removed the mention to Portuguese, leaving only "like Spanish," as the word ''rubella'' does not exist in Portuguese (in fact, double "L" has been removed from Portuguese spelling since 1943, except in foreign and some personal and family names). The disease is known in Portuguese simply as ''rubéola'', '''not''' as ''rubella'' (or even ''rubela''), with major Portuguese-language dictionaries such as ''Houaiss'' or ''Aurélio'' also listing the rarely used synonyms ''sarampo alemão'' (literally, "German measles") and ''roséola epidêmica''.
--[[User:UrsoBR|UrsoBR]] ([[User talk:UrsoBR|talk]]) 21:17, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

== Reassuring... ==

"Rubella is a common childhood infection that can sometimes be fatal usually with minimal systemic upset..."  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.100.185.147|71.100.185.147]] ([[User talk:71.100.185.147|talk]]) 03:59, 3 January 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Togaviridae ==

On the article [[Togaviridae]], it says, “Diseases associated with this family include: Alphaviruses: arthritis, encephalitis; Rubiviruses: congenital rubella syndrome.” I think the words “congenital rubella syndrome” should be shortened to just “rubella”; any rubella virus infection may cause rubella, but only those in pregnant women, or women about to get pregnant, will cause CRS. It will be understood that “rubella” also means, by extension, CRS.--[[User:Solomonfromfinland|Solomonfromfinland]] ([[User talk:Solomonfromfinland|talk]]) 18:01, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

== Dermatology link is wrong! ==

The derm/259 link in the fact box to the right is wrong. It goes to measles (rubeola) instead of to dermatology for rubella. The article it ''should'' refer to is the following, but I don't know how to find a link on the form derm/xxx for it. http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1133108-overview''[[User:Mick3|Mick3]] ([[User talk:Mick3|talk]]) 12:53, 25 April 2016 (UTC)''

: Found it and fixed it. it's derm/380. ''[[User:Mick3|Mick3]] ([[User talk:Mick3|talk]]) 00:05, 26 April 2016 (UTC)''

Also, the peds/2025 link in the fact box is dangling. It should probably go to the following page, but I don't know how to find a peds/XXX link for it. http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/968523-overview ''[[User:Mick3|Mick3]] ([[User talk:Mick3|talk]]) 12:57, 25 April 2016 (UTC)''

: Fixed it. It's ped/2025 rather than peds/2025. ''[[User:Mick3|Mick3]] ([[User talk:Mick3|talk]]) 00:27, 26 April 2016 (UTC)''

==Conflicting stats==

In one section it says....."During the epidemic in the U.S. between 1962–1965, rubella virus infections during pregnancy were estimated to have caused 30,000 stillbirths and 20,000 children to be born impaired or disabled as a result of CRS."

In a following section it says....."In the years 1964–65, the United States had an estimated 12.5 million rubella cases. This led to 11,000 miscarriages or therapeutic abortions and 20,000 cases of congenital rubella syndrome. "

Which number of stillbirths etc is correct? 30,000 or 11,000? [[Special:Contributions/96.40.115.189|96.40.115.189]] ([[User talk:96.40.115.189|talk]]) 04:03, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:[[Stillbirth]] and [[miscarriage]] are not the same thing. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 20:32, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

== Rubella & "hard measles" ==
First, I grew up in a time in the US when children suffered thru a series of "childhood" diseases: rubella, chicken pox, & mumps. It was an accepted fact of life, once contracted a person never came down sick with the illness, & AFAIK children rarely if ever died of them. (As barbaric as this might sound today, my generation at least did not have to fear contracting polio, as my mother's generation did.) One benefit of having rubella, I was told, is that the acquired immunity to re-contracting rubella also made one immune to the "hard" measles. (Likewise, IIRC contracting chicken pox made one immune to small pox.)

So is this a fact? If so, this article should include this. I suspect this is one reason rubella did not receive priority for prevention & cure. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 07:18, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

:{{re|Llywrch}} Chickenpox and smallpox are not even closely related viruses, smallpox in an orthopox virus and chickinpox is a herpes virus, same with measles and rubella, rubella is a togavirus while measles is a paramyxovirus, this sounds like a strange myth to me. [[User:Tornado chaser|Tornado chaser]] ([[User talk:Tornado chaser|talk]]) 12:36, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
:: It's what I remember being told, & it was common knowledge at the time; in fact I seem to remember seeing some of these assertions repeated in my grade school text books. The frustrating thing is that I had performed a Google search before posting & could find nothing about it. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 03:29, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
:::I have never heard of such a thing and I am quite certain it is not true. I was an antivaxer for a time before I realized they were all wrong, and I am sure this would have been one of their talking points were it true but I never read or was told this anywhere. [[User:Tornado chaser|Tornado chaser]] ([[User talk:Tornado chaser|talk]]) 03:36, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
:::{{re|Llywrch}} ping. [[User:Tornado chaser|Tornado chaser]] ([[User talk:Tornado chaser|talk]]) 03:41, 29 January 2019 (UTC)