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== Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2022 ==

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In the section "Current usage" it is stated that Mozilla removed RSS support from Mozilla Firefox version 64.0, joining Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge which do not include RSS support, thus leaving Internet Explorer as the last major browser to include RSS support by default.
This is not entirely true, ad Google Chrome for Android supports RSS feeds.
I recommend removing Google Chrome and leaving only Microsoft Edge.
One of the sources is The Verge (https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/8/22716813/google-chrome-follow-button-rss-reader). [[Special:Contributions/188.124.192.128|188.124.192.128]] ([[User talk:188.124.192.128|talk]]) 15:35, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

:Please change "Mozilla removed RSS support from Mozilla Firefox version 64.0, joining Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge which do not include RSS support" to "Mozilla removed RSS support from Mozilla Firefox version 64.0, joining Microsoft Edge which does not include RSS support".
:Google Chrome for Android does support RSS feeds. [[Special:Contributions/89.111.251.26|89.111.251.26]] ([[User talk:89.111.251.26|talk]]) 09:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
:{{partly done|Partly done:}}<!-- Template:ESp --> I felt the change should be done in the paragraph about its revival. Ping me if you're unsatisfied. [[User:SWinxy|SWinxy]] ([[User talk:SWinxy|talk]]) 05:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

== No sources on RSS compared with Atom ==

That entire section only contains a source with a dead link.

The claim "Atom has (...) less restrictive licensing" is very odd, since the RSS format is completely open and the specification document has a CC-SA license like Wikipedia. On the other hand, the Atom RFC does provide some more restrictions. [[User:Daniel.sousa.me|Daniel.sousa.me]] ([[User talk:Daniel.sousa.me|talk]]) 17:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

:I fixed the dead link, I'll add additional citations if needed. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:yvanyblog|<span style="color:#0b0080">yvanyblog</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:yvanyblog|(talk)]]</sup></span> 11:43, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

== Requested move 17 September 2024 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''not moved.''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:Killarnee|Killarnee]] ([[User talk:Killarnee|talk]]) 03:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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* [[:RSS]] → ?
* [[:RSS (disambiguation)]] → {{no redirect|RSS}}
– This is clearly not the primary topic for RSS. {{URL|1=https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-20&pages=RSS|2=Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh Pageviews}} states that [[Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh]] gets 2x pageviews, virtually all of which come from [[RSS]] (no one can remember the whole name, similar to [[BJP]]). Therefore it should be disambiguated. Though I'm unsure where this page should go, that can be decided with discussion. —'''Matrix(!)''' <nowiki>{</nowiki>''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|<sub><small><s>useless</s></small></sub>contributions]]''<nowiki>}</nowiki> 19:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' No evidence provided to support the claim. [[Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh]] might well have more pageviews, but that is ''not'' evidence that 'RSS' (the literal 3-letter term) is more widely used to refer to this name. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 20:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
*:RSS is also commonly used for the right wing organisation. See [https://news.google.com/search?q=RSS&hl=en-GB&gl=GB&ceid=GB%3Aen Google News] and you'll see many references to RSS for the organisation. —'''Matrix(!)''' <nowiki>{</nowiki>''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|<sub><small><s>useless</s></small></sub>contributions]]''<nowiki>}</nowiki> 17:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' because ''RSS'' is clearly the primary subject and any title changes would not make sense per [[WP:CRITERIA]] or [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. There is already [[WP:NATURAL]] disambiguation. [[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 10:27, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
*:{{tq|is clearly the primary subject}} what makes you think so? This argument seems eerily similar to [[WP:JUSTNOTABLE]]. You have to back up your argument. —'''Matrix(!)''' <nowiki>{</nowiki>''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|<sub><small><s>useless</s></small></sub>contributions]]''<nowiki>}</nowiki> 17:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
*::My argument was that we already have [[WP:NATURAL]] disambiguation and that RSS is the [[WP:COMMONNAME]] for the web feed format and that changing the name doesn't make sense under any [[WP:CRITERIA]]. No where did I say anything about it just being notable. [[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 19:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
* Per [[WP:DPT]], let's try to have a look at some general statistics. [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/massviews/?platform=all-access&agent=user&source=wikilinks&range=all-time&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&target=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS%20(disambiguation) All-time mass views of everything listed at RSS (disambiguation)] indicates that about one half of all traffic went to the presumed primary topic. Can we have an analysis of long-term significance of the rest of the items listed?
: While RSS has been a common sight on websites a decade ago, it looks like major interest in it has waned since about five years ago, per pattern at [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2015-07&end=2024-08&pages=RSS all-time monthly page views of RSS].
: I would tend to agree that this particular Indian political topic might not suffice to indicate general ambiguity, but the sum of all the other topics might. --[[User:Joy|Joy]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 09:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, but you can't assume that the sum of all the other topics listed at RSS includes their being identified as ''RSS''. The question is when people are looking for RSS, what are they typically looking for? [[User:Bobby Cohn|Bobby Cohn]] ([[User talk:Bobby Cohn|talk]]) 20:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' clearly the common term for RSS. [[User:Bobby Cohn|Bobby Cohn]] ([[User talk:Bobby Cohn|talk]]) 20:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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== followup to move discussion ==

Since the above was closed, I have to post this separately :)

So we don't know what the people are typically looking for when a primary topic is in place, because the search engines learn our navigation layout and then send the readers looking for the web syndication topic to RSS and readers looking for whatever else over there. We only see a part of the organic lookups of "RSS" in our statistics, and we can't really tell how big of a part.

With [[meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream]] we can try to analyze reader behavior once they get here. https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=RSS shows that in August, there were over 43k views, and the top outgoing link was to the Indian organization at 509 identified clickstreams, and the generic hatnote got 218. In total, there were 5067 identifiable clickstreams to 59 destinations. So these ratios aren't obviously bad for the presumption of primary topic - 727 is just ~1.7% of incoming and ~14% of identifiable outgoing.

However, we did have a number of examples where this wasn't critical, I've been collating a list at [[WT:D#on what statistics should look like for hatnotes, primary redirects, primary topics]] and there were cases where there was actually ambiguity.

We should come back to this topic in the future and check again if there are any further hints of ambiguity. --[[User:Joy|Joy]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 08:42, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

: It should also be noted that the page views graph from before had periods of intense spikes in 2017 and 2018, which sound like some sort of artificial traffic.
: The WikiNav graph for August also showed 16k incoming from search, 11.5k with empty referer, 6k in the "other-other" category and 5k in the other-external category. This could indicate that there's still some amount of traffic where the the appearance of reader interest might be getting artificially inflated - places that cause readers to make this traffic for some reason. It's not totally clear how organic that interest is - are these readers genuinely curious what RSS is or are these websites doing something to promote clicking on this link beyond what would usually happen. --[[User:Joy|Joy]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 08:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)