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==This Page==

This page needs to be edited. DOLPHINS ARE MAMMALS. DOLPHINS ARE RELATED TO PORPOISES. DOLPHINS ARE CUTE.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.38.70.53|68.38.70.53]] ([[User talk:68.38.70.53|talk]]) 00:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I think someone needs to adress this - it is my understanding too that in certain parts of the world 'dolphin' refers to a fish.
[[Special:Contributions/92.2.218.127|92.2.218.127]] ([[User talk:92.2.218.127|talk]]) 10:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

==Porpoises and dolphins==

I have removed the recently added paragraph that said
:''"The critical distinction between porpoises and dolphins, is that porpoises tend to be more talkative and relaxed in social situations whereas dolphins have a tendency towards shyness."''

Knowing little about the topic, I'm quite sure however that this is not ''the critical distinction''. I first thought about changing that into simply "a distinction"; however, the whole sentence sounds quite awkward to me ("talkative"? "relaxed"? "shyness"? Are these terms any scholar would use?), so I decided for moving it to the talk page.

[[User:LjL|LjL]] 5 July 2005 23:18 (UTC)

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First I apologize if I have posted incorrectly, but I have a question -- I grew up in the TX Gulf Coast area, and remember seeing what I presumed to be porpoises -- that's what my dad said they were -- but they were dark brown and hairy -- is that a porpoise or was I mistaken about what I saw?  thanks in advance.

GT
[[User:204.34.247.11|204.34.247.11]] 14:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
[[User:204.34.247.11|204.34.247.11]] 20:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

== Habitat? ==

A section detailing the areas of the world where different types of porpoises live would be most helpful.

It would also be nice to see something about porpoises portrayed in TV, movies, books, music, etc.  (I'm listening to the [[Monkees]]' "Porpoise Song" right now, which is the only reason I'm thinking about it."

== taxonomy section is a confusing distraction ==

It took me several minutes to realize that the Taxonomy section shows a superset of the Porpoise family.  In other words, that section is about half un-related to the main topic.
I don't know much about whales, so maybe someone who does could change the section to be clearer.
--[[User:Markhu|Markhu]] 21:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

:Boy, I agree, but it looks like this pattern is followed in some cases (cf. [[Delphinidae]]) but not others ([[River dolphin]]). I'm going to pose this question at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Cetaceans]] and see what comes up. --[[User:Graham|Graham]]<sup>[[User talk:Graham|talk]]/[[Special:Emailuser/Graham|mail]]/[[User:Graham/Esperanza|<span style="color:mediumseagreen;">e</span>]]</sup> 06:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Erm.. there is a bit of vandalism on this page.

I was looking through the wiki, and found this page. I was shocked to find it full of vandalism which shook my utter faith in Wikipedia to the core. I have removed all the vandalism in the opening paragraphs, but as i am no expert of porpoises, have not added any new information to fill in the gaps left by the vandal.
I do hope someone else will fill this in, as i am very interested in this group of species.

Gadgetfingers (not a member of wikipedia)  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/122.57.37.212|122.57.37.212]] ([[User talk:122.57.37.212|talk]]) 01:36, 7 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Wieght ==

I am doing a school research project on marine wildlife and noticed a lack of what a porpise's wieght is. It should be added.
:There isnt any data on the porpoise page as the six species of porpoise vary in weight by quite a lot, have a look at the separate species pages for weight information. [[User:Chris huh|chris_huh]] 10:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

== Swimming upside down ==

I've removed this: "When a porpoise swims upside down, it is searching for a mate.{{Fact|date=February 2007}}". Very little is known about the mating behaviour of porpoises, and it seems unlikely. [[User:Clayoquot|Kla'quot]] 08:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

== Proposed merger ==

This article and [[List of porpoise species]] are almost identical. Is there a reason to maintain the list separately from this article? [[User:Clayoquot|Kla'quot]] 09:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

== Porpoise/Shark Convergent Evolution ==
Shouldn't there be some information concerning the similarities between Porpoises and Sharks despite one being a fish and the other being a mammal?

== On Porpoise ==
What, no mention of the pun in the article? I think it's relevant.

→Agreed.   Especially after I read "Some porpoises produce a variety of clicks and whistles, which are thought to be primarily for social purposes."   I'm dying, here!  [[Special:Contributions/24.77.16.7|24.77.16.7]] ([[User talk:24.77.16.7|talk]]) 06:41, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

== Porpoising ==

Why does the autorotate article link to porpoising which is redirected to here? Porpoising is much different than a porpoise. [[User:72.192.195.24|72.192.195.24]] 16:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

== Most obvious difference is not the teeth, nor the size, but the shape ==

The article says "The most obvious visible difference between the two groups is that porpoises have flattened, spade-shaped teeth distinct from the conical teeth of dolphins, and shorter beaks."

This is obviously a true statement if you understand it to mean "when they have no skin on them".  This fact is easy to cite because it's the way taxonomists are most likely to see them.

For most readers of this article, however, the most obvious difference between the two of them, other than the size, is the shape.  Simply stated, one is more [[Fusiform]] and the other more saccular.  

Not so simply stated, because the beak of a dolphin pokes out of the front of it's head, it tapers to a point more on both ends.  The shape of a porpoise head makes it more tear-dropped shaped overall, if you pointed the head down.

Readers want to know to tell a porpoise from a dolphin when they actually see one.  The addition of simple line drawings would suffice.  [[User:Chrisrus|Chrisrus]] ([[User talk:Chrisrus|talk]]) 16:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, can someone add a decent picture of the creature? current images are not very clear.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/46.120.10.95|46.120.10.95]] ([[User talk:46.120.10.95|talk]]) 14:34, 5 November 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Mereswine ==
Called mereswine by whom, exactly? [[User:Sergeirichard|Sergeirichard]] ([[User talk:Sergeirichard|talk]]) 20:16, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
:mereswine is a old english word, see old dutch word meerswijn, i.e. sea hog. Porpoise derives from French. [[User:Vincnet|Vincnet]] ([[User talk:Vincnet|talk]]) 15:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
::But is mereswine notable in contemporary usage? There are many Old English equivalents for Modern English words, but that doesn't mean every article must mention archaic terms as alternatives. [[User:Lakshwadeep|Lakshwadeep]] ([[User talk:Lakshwadeep|talk]]) 23:42, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
:::I dunno.  I see no reason why an article about porpoises couldn't have a section on equivalent nouns in other languages or even etymology of the word.  If I am incorrect, I'm sure somebody will explain why in a few years and set me straight. ;)  [[Special:Contributions/24.77.16.7|24.77.16.7]] ([[User talk:24.77.16.7|talk]]) 07:42, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
::::Because wikipedia is [[WP:NOTDICT|not a dictionary]]. [[User:Anaxial|Anaxial]] ([[User talk:Anaxial|talk]]) 18:08, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

==White porpoise==
White porpoise, the beluga, is not a Phocoenidae. The white porpoise is not describe on this article. [[User:Vincnet|Vincnet]] ([[User talk:Vincnet|talk]]) 15:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Attacks on two million people a year? ==

I find that... not very plausible, to say the least. Likewise, there is nothing at the source link.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.76.99.169|70.76.99.169]] ([[User talk:70.76.99.169|talk]]) 20:30, 1 September 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Hair ==

Does this mammal have hair? - [[Special:Contributions/71.179.116.8|71.179.116.8]] ([[User talk:71.179.116.8|talk]]) 02:38, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

:No. [[User:Anaxial|Anaxial]] ([[User talk:Anaxial|talk]]) 06:37, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

== Species of Porpoise Addition to Article ==


There are seven recognized species of Porpoise.
{| class="wikitable" border="1"
|+ Species of Porpoises
! Species !! Description !! Image
|-
|'''[[Harbor Porpoise]]''' (''Phocoena phocoeana'') || The Harbor Porpoise is a solitary, small toothed whale that lives in cold water, that can be found in small pods of 2-5 individuals. Harbor Porpoises have spade-shaped teeth, which makes them distinguishable from [[dolphins]]. They have a triangular dorsal fin, a dark gray back, and a white underbelly. Harbor Porpoises give birth every year, with gestation lasting about 10 months. They feed on shoaling fish and squid in the cold waters of the North Pacific and the North Atlantic coastlines for their 24 year life span. They can weigh in at 61-77 kg, and can be 1.5-1.7 meters. <ref>http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/mammals/cetaceans/harborporpoise.htm</ref> || [[File:Harbor Porpoise.3.jpg|thumb|Harbor Porpoise]]
|-
|'''[[Vacquita]]/[[Gulf of California Harbor Porpoise]]''' (''Phocoeana sinus'') || The Vacquita is a very elusive porpoise that inhabits, obviously, the Gulf of California, in small pods of 7-10 individuals. The Vacquita was first described in 1958 by a series of skulls. They do not have robust bodies or beaks. Weighing in at 30-55 kg, and being 1.2-1.5 meters long, it is the smallest known [[cetacean]]. After a gestation period of 10-11 months, they usually give birth to one calf every other year, and have a lifespan of approximately 21 years. <ref>http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/mammals/cetaceans/vaquita.htm</ref> || [[File:Vaquita6 Olson NOAA.jpg|thumb|A pair of Vaquitas swim together.]]
|-
|'''[[Dall's Porpoise]]''' (''Phocoenoides dalli'') or (''Phocoenodes dalli truei'') || Dall's Porpoise describes two very fast subspecies of porpoise that are capable of diving 500 meters to feed on shoaling fish, cephalopods, and occasionally crustaceans in the North Pacific Ocean in pods of up to 20 individuals.  ''P.d. truei'' inhabits the Western Pacific Ocean, whereas ''P. dalli'' inhabits the Northern Pacific. When they surface they create a [[rooster tail]] that is unique ability, among porpoises. They give birth every year and live generally 15-20 years, but can live to be 22. They weigh in at 220 kg and are 2-2.4 meters long. <ref>http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/mammals/cetaceans/dallsporpoise.htm</ref> || [[File:Dall's porpoise Alaska 2009 124.jpg|thumb|Dall's Porpoise]]
|-
|'''[[Burmeister's Porpoise]]''' (''Phocoena spinipinnus'') || Burmeister's Porpoise is a porpoise with a uniquely positioned dorsal fin, with a triangular dorsal fin angled backwards and set back farther than any other [[cetacean]]. The approximate 500 individuals inhabit the coast of [[Patagonia]] and eat small fish, mollusks, and cephalopods and have been heavily hunted for thousands of years. Burmeister's Porpoise has a jet black to dark gray coloring, which gives it its nickname "the Black Porpoise". Burmeister's Porpoise maximum length on record is 200 cm and the maximum weight is 79kg. <ref>http://www.cms.int/reports/small_cetaceans/data/p_spinipinnis/p_spinipinnis.htm</ref> <ref>http://marinebio.org/species.asp?id=439</ref> || [[File:Burmeister's porpoise size.svg|thumb|Burmeister's Porpoise size comparison]]
|-
|'''[[Spectacled Porpoise]]''' (''Phocoena dioptrica'') || The Spectacled Porpoise is a rarely seen species of porpoise with a blue/black back and a white underbelly with no transitional colors between the blue and white, and pitch black patch around the eye. As a result of their elusiveness, almost nothing is known about the life of this species. Generally, Spectacled Porpoises travel in groups of 2, or travel alone. Sightings of them take place along the east coast of [[Patagonia]] and the [[Falkland Islands]]. They're a small species of porpoise, just measuring 1.3-2.2 meters and weighing 60-115 kg. <ref>http://marinebio.org/species.asp?id=440</ref> || [[File:SpectacledPorpoise.jpg|thumb| Illustration of a Spectacled Porpoise]]
|-
|'''Narrow Ridged [[Finless Porpoise]]''' (''Neophocaenoides asiaorientalis'') || The Finless Porpoise comprises of two recognized subspecies: N. p. asiaorientalis which inhabits the Yangtze River, and N. p. sunameri which inhabits the coast of Taiwan to Southern Japan. They, obviously, have no fin, but instead have a ridge from their blowhole to their tail fluke. They have a blue/gray color and about half of them have pink eyes. They're officially protected in China, but are declining due to habitat destruction. They 1.9 meters in length, weigh 30-45 kg, and are though to live for between 10 and 20 years. <ref>http://marinebio.org/species.asp?id=438</ref> || [[File:FinlessPorpoise3.jpg|thumb| Two Finless Porpoises]]
|-
|'''Indo-Pacific [[Finless Porpoise]]''' (Neophocaenoides phoceanoides) || Originally in species group with the Narrow Ridged [[Finless Porpoise]], the two were split into two different species very recently when it was proven that they could not breed together. The Indo-Pacific Finless Porpoise inhabits the coastline between the Persian Gulf and Taiwan.  They, obviously, have no fin, but instead have a ridge from their blowhole to their tail fluke. They have a blue/gray color and about half of them have pink eyes. They're officially protected in China, but are declining due to habitat destruction, and Pakistan has fisheries specifically targeting Finless Porpoises. They 1.9 meters in length, weigh 30-45 kg, and are though to live for between 10 and 20 years. <ref>http://us.whales.org/species-guide/indo-pacific-finless-porpoise</ref> || [[File:Neophocaena phocaenoides -Miyajima Aquarium -Japan-8a.jpg|thumb| Indo-Pacific Finless Porpoise]]
|}

Tell me what you think, either on this talk page, or on my talk page [[User:Dunkleosteus77|Dunkleosteus77]] ([[User talk:Dunkleosteus77|talk]]) 04:34, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
I'll just add now; if you remove, please tell me why so I can make adjustments [[User:Dunkleosteus77|Dunkleosteus77]] ([[User talk:Dunkleosteus77|talk]]) 17:02, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

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== Plagiarism? ==

[[User:01A ext2015]], the information you have added reads awkwardly. Also, you did not provide relevant citations.

There are some passages that read really weirdly.
*''In the case of a species such as the '''harbor seal'''... shows that this specific kind of '''dolphin'''''
*''The '''harbor dolphin''' will '''start to act eradicate''' when introduced to a frequency''
*''when the noise stopped the '''dolphin''' relaxed and when back to a normal pace. This is a perfect example of a '''porpoise's''' situational intelligence''

There are also, actually were also, many sentences that said "we researched", and, "our research", as well as opinions like "they should", which implies either original research or plagiarism.

Also, in the editor's perspective, it look like it's been copy/pasted from some other source, since it doesn't go all the way to the end of the line, it just goes to the next line at awkward point. For example (I've removed the following passage):

"For the conservation of endangered animals to be effective, information on population distribution and
 	
abundance requires regular updating from census efforts. The Yangtze finless porpoise (Neophocaena
 	
asiaeorientalis asiaeorientalis) has recently been reclassified as critically endangered (CR) due to a rapid
 	
decline in abundance. Baseline measures currently used for identifying extinction risk and implementing
 	
conservation actions may lag behind the actual demographic trend of a population and, thus, should be
 	
updated frequently..."

 [[User:01A ext2015]], did you plagiarize the material you added?

For now, I'm going to delete or majorly shorten any material you have added. 
[[User:Dunkleosteus77|<span style="color: green">Dunkleosteus77</span>]] [[User talk:Dunkleosteus77|<span style="color: green"><sup>(push to talk)</sup></span>]] 21:05, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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== Porpoise in a grave ==

Recently a porpoise was discovered in a grave, somewhere during medieval days. It's a recent discovery but perhaps wikipedia could also bring this somewhere, and then perhaps either link to the article; or add a parapgraph here. I actually came to this site just now in order to find out whether something has been written about that medieval porpoise. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:8388:1603:CB00:3AD5:47FF:FE18:CC7F|2A02:8388:1603:CB00:3AD5:47FF:FE18:CC7F]] ([[User talk:2A02:8388:1603:CB00:3AD5:47FF:FE18:CC7F|talk]]) 17:04, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
:Do you have a link to the source or a citation for a paper source? [[User:Peaceray|Peaceray]] ([[User talk:Peaceray|talk]]) 21:17, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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==Can dolphins communicate with porpoises?==
It was on the news tonight (August 29 2018) that a solitary dolphin found its way to a group of porpoises and began communicating with them. If any one knows about whether dolphins can communicate with porpoises, this could go in the article. [[User:Vorbee|Vorbee]] ([[User talk:Vorbee|talk]]) 19:43, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

== "Porpoises along with whales and dolphins" ==

This sentence is wrong. Propoised and dolphins are both whales  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/89.23.239.68|89.23.239.68]] ([[User talk:89.23.239.68#top|talk]]) 16:50, 25 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Move general content to general pages?==
There is a lot of information not specific to porpoises, which really don't belong on a porpoise page, but should be moved to pages on Cetaceans and Odontocetes. Agree?
[[User:JakobT|JakobT]] ([[User talk:JakobT|talk]]) 08:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Some of the issues may come from the reference to older literature, where, especially in the US, dolphin were often referred to as porpoises. Certainly true for the reference to bycatch in the tuna fisheries. 
[[User:JakobT|JakobT]] ([[User talk:JakobT|talk]]) 08:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

== Intelligence ==

We need some info about his intelligent porpoises are. I've just read that they're more intelligent than dogs, but the source isn't suitable for an encyclopaedia. [[User:Richard75|Richard75]] ([[User talk:Richard75|talk]]) 00:50, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

== Are they more closely related to narwhals and belugas than to the true dolphins? ==

That part doesn't have a source, and [http://www.onezoom.org/life/@Phocoenidae=851308?img=best_any&anim=flight#x1232,y368,w1.1455 OneZoom] says otherwise. Can someone either find a source or fix that? — [[User:DanielLC|DanielLC]] 21:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
:Surprising perhaps, but the close relationship between the two groups is well documented by anatomy and molecular phylogeny. Added most recent reference I could find.[[User:JakobT|JakobT]] ([[User talk:JakobT|talk]]) 07:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)