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 | {{cite journal|last=Browman|first=Catherine|last2=Goldstein|first2=Louis|year=1992|title=Articulatory phonology: an overview|journal=Phonetica|volume=49|issue=3-4|pages=155-180|url=http://www.haskins.yale.edu/SR/SR111/SR111_03.pdf|doi=10.1159/000261913}}{{indent|5}}An overview of gestural accounts of oral articulation.
 | {{cite book|last=Fant|first=Gunnar|year=2012|title=Acoustic Theory of Speech Production : With Calculations based on X-Ray Studies of Russian Articulations|publisher=DeGruyter|isbn=9789027916006}}{{indent|5}}Source filter model of speech production
 | {{cite journal|last=Arai|first=Takayuki|year=2004|title=History of Chiba and Kajiyama and their influence in modern speech science|journal=Proceedings of From Sound to Sense|volume=50|pages=115-120|url=http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.540.8017&rep=rep1&type=pdf}}{{indent|5}}History of source filter theory
 | [http://wals.info/chapter World Atlas of Language Structures]
 | The entry on "Phonetics" in ''Brittanica'' is pretty good for summary style coverage of a lot of topics and can point to new sources as well. The ''Salem Press Encyclopedia'' has good historical coverage.
 | {{cite book|last=Sedivy|first=Julie|year=2019|title=Language in Mind: An Introduction to Psycholinguistics|edition=2nd|isbn=978-1605357058}}
 | {{cite journal|last=Parrell|first=B|last2=Lammert|first2=A. C.|last3=Ciccarelli|first3=G.|last4=Quatieri|first4=T. F.|year=2019|title=Current models of speech motor control: A control-theoretic overview of architectures and properties|journal=Journal of the Acoustical Society of America|volume=145|number=3|pages=1456-1481}}
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== New diagram ==

The recently added diagram of concentric circles with phonetics in the centre surely needs a citation to support it, or must otherwise be considered OR? [[User:RoachPeter|RoachPeter]] ([[User talk:RoachPeter|talk]]) 14:12, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

:Hi, {{user|RoachPeter}}!
:If you go to the image page on Wikimedia commons for {{File:Major levels of linguistic structure.svg}}, its source field cites the book it's from.
:I was following the guidance on [[Wikipedia:Image_citation]] to only include the citation details of an image on the image's file page, rather than in the article itself.
:Thanks!
:[[User:Catleeball|Catleeball]] ([[User talk:Catleeball|talk]]) 02:43, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks, I didn't know of that WP guidance. [[User:RoachPeter|RoachPeter]] ([[User talk:RoachPeter|talk]]) 09:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:::No worries! :)  [[User:Catleeball|Catleeball]] ([[User talk:Catleeball|talk]]) 00:07, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

== Relationship between phonology and phonetics ==

{{replyto|Nardog}} I mean look at the very first image on this page (actually in the discussion section above too). Perhaps we can at least discuss the relationship between the two concepts; I'm aware the relationship can be fraught, but ignoring it altogether could mislead newcomers who don't know if they're really looking for one or the other. I can do some source digging to see what I'd find, if that'd help. [[User:Wolfdog|Wolfdog]] ([[User talk:Wolfdog|talk]]) 16:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

:Huh? That image is not claiming that phonetics is "sometimes considered a sub-branch within phonology", nor am I familiar with anyone taking such a position. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 01:37, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

::Actually, the more I look at the image the weirder it seems! What's it's purpose?? Anyway, I'm fine with the amended hatnote now. Thanks. Sorry for the confusion; I was thinking of phonology versus phonemics (not phonetics) while half-distracted. [[User:Wolfdog|Wolfdog]] ([[User talk:Wolfdog|talk]]) 03:18, 19 August 2023 (UTC)