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== Utility ==

Pete Rose was NOT a utility player and was NOT the ultimate utility player as the section above says. A utility player is not a starter, yet gets abundant playing time do to his ability to play many positions. Rose has always been a starter at one position. Granted, the position changed several times over the course of his career. Call a utility player what it is.--[[User:Johnny Spasm|Johnny Spasm]] ([[User talk:Johnny Spasm|talk]]) 21:54, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

:I actually agree with you on this one, there is no way he was a utility player.--[[User:Yankees10|Yankees10]] 23:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

::I agree, as per my comments above. [[User:Killervogel5|<span style="color:black">'''KV5'''</span>]] <span style="font-size:x-small;">([[User_talk:Killervogel5|<span style="color:navy">Talk</span>]] • [[WP:PHILLIES|<span style="color:maroon">Phils</span>]])</span> 23:27, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

::I'm currently on vacation in Texas. If the utility player article still calls Rose the ultimate utility player when I get home, I WILL change it. On a side note, if I hadda pick an ultimate utility player... Joe McEwing? Chone Figgins?--[[User:Johnny Spasm|Johnny Spasm]] ([[User talk:Johnny Spasm|talk]]) 11:47, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Ryan Freel? Mark DeRosa? [[User:Killervogel5|<span style="color:black">'''KV5'''</span>]] <span style="font-size:x-small;">([[User_talk:Killervogel5|<span style="color:navy">Talk</span>]] • [[WP:PHILLIES|<span style="color:maroon">Phils</span>]])</span> 11:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

::::As far as those within my own memory, I'd have to go with Tony Phillips. -[[User:Dewelar|Dewelar]] ([[User talk:Dewelar|talk]]) 15:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

::Maybe I'mbiased because I'm a Mets fan, but I think it's "Super Joe."--[[User:Johnny Spasm|Johnny Spasm]] ([[User talk:Johnny Spasm|talk]]) 03:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

:::I suppose, if one of the requirements is not being good enough to be a regular, then Super Joe fits the bill quite nicely :-D . -[[User:Dewelar|Dewelar]] ([[User talk:Dewelar|talk]]) 04:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

::With that caveat, I'd have to go with Figgins--[[User:Johnny Spasm|Johnny Spasm]] ([[User talk:Johnny Spasm|talk]]) 11:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
:You seem to think that utility player is some sort of insult. I don't think that is the case at all. If anything it's probably just inaccurate considering that he tended to play one primary position for each season. He just changed positions several times during his career. [[Special:Contributions/2001:1970:4F67:B800:421A:648:EC33:8C49|2001:1970:4F67:B800:421A:648:EC33:8C49]] ([[User talk:2001:1970:4F67:B800:421A:648:EC33:8C49|talk]]) 22:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== citation needed for 4000 hit club? ==

Under the Montreal Expos section of Rose's playing career, it says "citation needed" regarding his going in the 4000 hit club (he's only the 2nd member, Ty Cobb being the 1st).  There is a "4000 hit club" redirect on Wikipedia going to "3000 hit club", whose members included Rose and Cobb at the top.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.63.16.82|128.63.16.82]] ([[User talk:128.63.16.82|talk]]) 18:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Many of the stats will probably need to be adjusted to reflect that MLB now considers the old Negro Leagues to be major leagues and the player stats should be included in the all time totals of those who played in the Negro Leagues, National League, American League and maybe even the American Association. There may come a time when MLB or the history of baseball does a better job qualifying the numbers of the Japanese baseball league to reflect the all time greats of the game. [[Special:Contributions/2001:1970:4F67:B800:421A:648:EC33:8C49|2001:1970:4F67:B800:421A:648:EC33:8C49]] ([[User talk:2001:1970:4F67:B800:421A:648:EC33:8C49|talk]]) 22:47, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Question about wording ==

The page reads: "Rose had engaged in a sexual relationship with her in the 1970s, when she was a minor"

Doesn't a "sexual relationship" imply consent and mutual agency? [[User:Dendritope|Dendritope]] ([[User talk:Dendritope|talk]]) 01:08, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

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== Endorsement by neo nazis ==

Should we include the fact that he has recently been endorsed by neo Nazis (trump)? Ideally we include this in the opening paragraph. [[User:AcademicPerfection|AcademicPerfection]] ([[User talk:AcademicPerfection|talk]]) 07:04, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
:NO. Trump's support of him is already mentioned in the article... he is not technically a neo nazi... and this is not something that should go in the opening paragraph. [[User:Spanneraol|Spanneraol]] ([[User talk:Spanneraol|talk]]) 13:05, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::At this point, he's much more well-known for being endorsed by the neo Nazi, Donald Trump than anything else. I would argue that this belongs in the opening paragraph. [[User:AcademicPerfection|AcademicPerfection]] ([[User talk:AcademicPerfection|talk]]) 18:35, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
:::No, it don't. {{re|AcademicPerfection}} Look, I don't like Trump either, but this is a community project, if you can't bite your tongue (name calling) and act mature, then keep you typing to yourself. Cheers,  - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime|<span style="color:#800000">'''FlightTime'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime|<span style="color:#1C0978">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 18:40, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
:Your comment is clearly a violation of [[WP:BLP]]. Calling someone a Neo Nazi without proof violates the policies of Wikipedia, even on talk pages.--[[User:Jojhutton|Jojhutton]] ([[User talk:Jojhutton|talk]]) 11:11, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Major League Criminals ==

Since the National Football League has given us the source material for so many films about former players in prison such as the various versions of The Longest Yard and baseball has had its own list of cheats, criminals and conflicts, perhaps it is time Baseball Reference and Wikipedia pages linked Pete Rose and the other great felons of the game. [[Special:Contributions/2001:1970:4F67:B800:421A:648:EC33:8C49|2001:1970:4F67:B800:421A:648:EC33:8C49]] ([[User talk:2001:1970:4F67:B800:421A:648:EC33:8C49|talk]]) 22:49, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Hall of fame reinstatement ==

:Note: I posted this earlier and someone reverted it with an apparent concern about the source.  I would say the reliability of the source is not for any one person to decide, so I'd ask that it not be reverted again.   In any case, it's a perfectly legitimate thing to evaluate on a talk page, instead of reverting [[Special:Contributions/2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3|2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3]] ([[User talk:2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3|talk]]) 02:04, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

[https://prospect.org/culture/2025-05-19-trump-imposes-his-will-major-league-baseball/ This article] claims that Rose's HoF eligibility reinstatement was at the behest of Donald Trump.  I'll leave it to others here to decide whether to use it.  [[Special:Contributions/2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3|2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3]] ([[User talk:2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3|talk]]) 22:03, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not a reliable source.  Also that is an opinion piece so stating it as a fact is improper. [[User:Spanneraol|Spanneraol]] ([[User talk:Spanneraol|talk]]) 22:11, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for not re-reverting.  I looked into the source and it seems ok to me (see article [[The American Prospect]]).  Also, we're ''supposed'' to include opinions (relevant sourced viewpoints) in articles, rather than just raw facts, as long as we don't mix them up.<p>At this point I'm supportive of including the link.  The author [[Peter Dreier]] is a left wing political type, who happens to have written extensively about baseball topics (see [https://peterdreier.com/publications/ publication list], search for "baseball"), if that matters.   So I won't call him unbiased, but rather, as someone with a viewpoint that we can cite.  Obviously if there's a comparable source saying the opposite of Dreier, that should be included too. [[Special:Contributions/2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3|2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3]] ([[User talk:2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3|talk]]) 02:48, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I didn't revert it in the first place, that was someone else. You can't cite it as fact... "Rose was reinstated because of Trump" you'd have to say Dreier made the claim... still not sure if it's relevant though unless the commissioner makes a comment on it one way or another. [[User:Spanneraol|Spanneraol]] ([[User talk:Spanneraol|talk]]) 03:03, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
{{od}}I agree, I wouldn't claim it as a fact either.  How does the following sound?  I'd add:
::Left-wing author [[Peter Dreier]] has argued that Manfred's reversal was due to political pressure from US President Donald Trump.[citation]  Dreier theorizes that Manfred acquiesced to Trump after threats against MLB's [[DEI]] program and its exemption from [[United States antitrust law]].

to the paragraph about Rose's HoF eligibility reinstatement.  I've re-read the Dreier article and a lot of it is anti-Trump ranting which I'm inclined to ignore.  The main claim about Pete Rose's reinstatement is interesting and imho plausible though.  So it seems worth citing.  [[Special:Contributions/2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3|2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3]] ([[User talk:2601:644:8581:75B0:76FA:C1BF:94F4:EDF3|talk]]) 03:46, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
:It's still of questionable notability for this article... just some guy's opinion. [[User:Spanneraol|Spanneraol]] ([[User talk:Spanneraol|talk]]) 01:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)