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== Stylisation ==
As per [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks)]] O2 should always be written O2, not O<sub>2</sub> (when referring to the company in body copy or headlines). The 2 is only subscripted when used in the logotype. [[User:Ed g2s|<span style="font-family:verdana;">ed g2s</span>]] &bull; [[User talk:ed_g2s|<span style="font-family:verdana;">talk</span>]] 08:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

== anyone know ==

why the fixed line services on the isle of man went to 02 rather than BT in the demerger? [[User:Plugwash|Plugwash]] 03:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
::And yet another question, why has Manx Telecom in the Isle of Man not rebranded as '''O<sub>2</sub> (Isle Of Man) Limited'''?
::--[[User:Ro2000|RÓ]] 05:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


O2 not 02 !  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.116.177.107|94.116.177.107]] ([[User talk:94.116.177.107|talk]]) 10:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== European? ==

Shouldn't it be "European telecommunications" and not "British telecommunications" since they operate throught Europe and are owned by Telefonica of Spain? [[User:172.203.100.147|172.203.100.147]] 22:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
:Probably - [[User:RedHotHeat|<span style="color:#f80000;"><sup>Рэд</sup></span><span style="color:#ff8a0d;"><sub>хот</sub></span>]]<sup>([[User talk:RedHotHeat|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/RedHotHeat|c]] • [[Special:Emailuser/RedHotHeat|e]])</sup> 17:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

:: You are missing the point, BT do not own O<sub>2</sub> anymore, and as a result their only European operations consist of a few fixedline companies in UK (''as incumbent''), Ireland, Italy, and Spain mostly. They are stylised as '''BT''' now rather that ''British'' Telecommunications to reflect this. See the BT wiki article to see this. O<sub>2</sub> have no longer any shareholding relationship with BT. BT's only wireless asset is a small MVNO business known as BT Mobile, which leases airtime off T-Mobile (UK) rather than O<sub>2</sub> (UK).
::--<small>[[User:Ro2000|<span style="background-color:#6699FF; color:#FFFFFF">&nbsp; RÓNÁN &nbsp;</span>]][[User_talk:Ro2000|<span style="background-color:green; color:#FFFFFF">&nbsp;"Caint / Talk"&nbsp;</span>]]</small> 21:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

== Plc? ==
Is O2 still registered as PLC? I'm aware they're not trading anymore, but are they still technically public? - [[User:RedHotHeat|<span style="color:#f80000;"><sup>Рэд</sup></span><span style="color:#ff8a0d;"><sub>хот</sub></span>]]<sup>([[User talk:RedHotHeat|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/RedHotHeat|c]] • [[Special:Emailuser/RedHotHeat|e]])</sup> 17:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, according to their website (www.o2.com): 
"Telefónica O2 Europe plc, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Telefónica S.A., 2007, Wellington Street, Slough, Berkshire SL1 1YP.
Registered in England and Wales: 5310128. VAT number: GB 778 6037 85." [[User:Gareth Cash|Gareth Cash]] 03:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Therefore O2 plc is incorrect as the company is now called Telefonica O2 Europe plc. So really the heading should be O2 not O2 plc. [[User:Stuartfanning|Stuartfanning]] 16:26, 8 February 2007 (GMT)
===Telefónica O2===
Since [[O2]] is a disambiguation page, the O2 plc page should be renamed either "Telefónica O2" or "Telefónica O2 Europe". [[User:Viakenny|Viakenny]] 18:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Addition of Training Video ==

I came across a training video for O2 in the UK, does anyone have any objections in placing the following link under external links:
[http://www.tallboymedia.com/o2-corporate-video-production.php O<sub>2</sub> official training video]
[[siralexf]]
:As no-one has responded in a week and Dick is reluctant to help me I am going to add the link to the article.  If someone disagrees with the addition of the Official O2 training video being added to this article, can you please explain your reason. [[User:Siralexf|Siralexf]] 17:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)siralexf
::Siralexf, I'll stay away from it now and let people who know more about this article decide.  I feel, however, that you still have not provided any explanation for why 4 or your first 5 contributions were external links to tallboymedia.com, nor have you said whether you have any relationship to that organization.  Do you? [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] 18:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
::By the way, I just noticed that your non-talk contributions are still 100% external links.  [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] 18:37, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I've told you around 15 times that I have nothing to do with the company.  I'm a keen photographer and I search the web a lot and came across this website.  I felt that the videos they provide would be a good addition to wikipedia.  Lastly, you remark about 'my contributions' - i've only been a member for under a month, what do you expect me to do in that time?  Also, you are incorrect about your statement that the are all external links, go back and read them again - and to tell you the truth i'm getting pretty fed up with this.[[User:Siralexf|Siralexf]] 07:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)siralexf
:Good thing I'm patient, or I'd be fed up, too.  You've just said a bunch of stuff that I have a hard time believing.  Allow me to enumerate:
* I can't find any place, much less 15, where you said you had nothing to do with the company, until today.
* Being a keen photographer seems to be not a credible excuse for liking and pushing lame training video intros on the site of a company pushing video services.
* You say your contributions are not all external links, yet in your month of contributions I find not one other thing besides external links and talk pages, most about those external links.
:So how can you expect me, or anyone, to take you seriously?  All we have to go on is your contributions.  Give this up, and make some genuine contributions instead, and things will go much better.  Keep in mind that adding external links is almost never a great way to contribute to wikipedia, and links from people who do nothing else will almost always be viewed skeptically and reverted.  It's nothing personal, and not a judgement on the content, just the way it is. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] 17:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

==Meaning of mmO2?==

What was the meaning of the mm in mmO2, the former parent company of o2? 

>> No one actually knows... It emerged as part of the Lambie-Nairn re-brand, and is rumoured to stand for "Mobile Media", but this has never been confirmed. MMO2 formerly ceased to exist in early 2005 when MMO2 PLC (The holding company of all of the O2 Operating Businesses throughout Europe), changed it's name to O2 PLC.

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I was under the impression this stands for 'MultiMedia02. I will see if I can verify this.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.120.90.59|213.120.90.59]] ([[User talk:213.120.90.59|talk]]) 16:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

In Broadband training, we were told it meant "MillenniuM O2" - Implying their "Starting Date" - 2002, 02 years after the "millennium" (yeah I know it was all demerged slightly before 2002... But thats the way they write their history).  I cant offer any direct proof of course. - Anonymous for obvious reasons.


The O2 brand could not be used initially as it was owned by Ofrah Winfrey. 
Until it was bought off her it had the MM prefix. The MM had no meaning at all.
The O2 also has no meaning. It is not a molecule of oxygen!
The go live date was officially 02/02/2002.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.116.162.110|94.116.162.110]] ([[User talk:94.116.162.110|talk]]) 10:55, 20 January 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Cellnet Logo ==

There is another logo that was used when Cellnet (Telecom Securicor Cellular Radio or TSCR) first started that looks reminiscent of a tortoise shell consisting of 6 hexagons placed around a central one representing the deployment of "Cells"[[User:Reynoldstone|Reynoldstone]] 14:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The Cellnet Logo was a representation of the 7 cell frequency repeat patern. 
It was devised by Colin Street who was the press officer.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.116.162.109|94.116.162.109]] ([[User talk:94.116.162.109|talk]]) 10:48, 20 January 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Demerger ==

I'm going to suggest that this article should be split into Telefónica Europe (for the over-arching Telefónica brand in Europe) and Telefónica O2 UK (the article dedicated to the UK business). At present, I think this article is far too confusing - it talks about the UK business, but then also talks about the rest of the business in Europe. ~~ [[User:JGXenite|<span style="color: #AB0F31">[Jam]</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:JGXenite|<span style="color: #000000;">[talk]</span>]]</sup> 10:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

:I agree that there is some confusion in this article - some sections of it are too UK focussed. (Not surprising as I already put a lot of work into getting a heavily UK-specific article into a more objective one about the whole group) I, personally, would like to see some of the UK-specific bits de-stressed (or even removed) - I don't really have any care for these to be shifted to another article (e.g. Telefonica O2 UK Ltd for example) - but am happy to support it. [[User:Jminhas|Jminhas]] ([[User talk:Jminhas|talk]]) 13:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

:: Well, I'll look and see if some of the more UK focused aspects can be removed (or perhaps placed into a "History of Telefonica Europe" article) later on. ~~ [[User:JGXenite|<span style="color: #AB0F31">[Jam]</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:JGXenite|<span style="color: #000000;">[talk]</span>]]</sup> 14:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

:No. I was totally confused when I came to this article after a long absence and thought of course there should be a seperate UK article. But after looking into it I think I'm right to say Telefonica merged the other businesses into the old mmO2 plc/O2 plc, so it makes perfect sense to explain how the company emerged out of BT Group & expanded with the Telefonica purchase. [[User:Mark83|Mark83]] ([[User talk:Mark83|talk]]) 21:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

== unbound oxygen? ==

: ''O2 - the chemical symbol for unbound oxygen''

O2 is the chemical symbol for an oxygen molecule - in which the two oxygen atoms are bound together. Unbound oxygen ,by which I guess a free radical would be meant, would be shown as O• --[[Special:Contributions/81.150.229.68|81.150.229.68]] ([[User talk:81.150.229.68|talk]]) 14:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

The 2 is not subscript! The O2 is the letter O followed by the numeral 2. It has no meaning.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.116.162.110|94.116.162.110]] ([[User talk:94.116.162.110|talk]]) 10:57, 20 January 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Competitors section ==

I have removed this section as inappropriate, copied below for review. If this section were to be included here, exactly the same list would be duplicated trivially for every telecoms provider in Europe. If anyone feels this is useful, they can debate the case for duplication of this subsection of [[List of telephone operating companies]] on that list's associated talk page. [[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 17:57, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
{{cot|bg=lightblue|Competitors}}
;Competitors
{{col-begin}}
{{col-1-of-3}}
'''United Kingdom'''
* [[Hutchison 3G|3]]
* [[Nutshell Mobile]] (uses 3 UK's network)
* [[Orange U.K.|Orange]]
* [[T-Mobile]]
* [[Vodafone U.K.|Vodafone]]
* [[ASDA Mobile]] (uses Vodafone's network)
* [[Family Mobile]] (uses T-Mobile's network)
* [[Giffgaff]] (uses O2's network)
* [[Lebara Mobile]] (uses Vodafone's network)
* [[Nomi Mobile]] (uses Vodafone's network)
* [[LycaMobile]] (uses Orange's & O2 network)
* [[Talkmobile]] (uses Vodafone's network)
* [[Tesco Mobile]] (uses O2's network)
* [[Utility Warehouse]] (uses T-Mobile's network)
* [[Vectone Mobile]] (uses T-Mobile's network)
* [[Virgin Mobile]] (uses T-Mobile's network)
* [[Now Mobile]] (uses ?'s network)

{{col-2-of-3}}
'''Ireland'''
* [[3 Ireland|3]]
* [[Meteor (mobile network)|Meteor]]
* [[Vodafone Ireland|Vodafone]]
* [[eircom|eircom Mobile]] (uses Meteor's network)
* [[Tesco Ireland#Tesco Mobile|Tesco Mobile]] (uses O2's network)
* [[Postfone]] (uses Vodafone's network)

{{col-3-of-3}}
'''Isle of Man'''
* [[Sure (Cable & Wireless)|Sure]]
{{col-end}}

{{col-begin}}
{{col-1-of-3}}
'''Germany'''
* [[E-Plus]] 
* [[T-Mobile|Telekom]]
* [[Vodafone Germany|Vodafone]]
* Tchibo Mobilfunk (uses O2's network)
* Fonic (uses O2's network)
* Ortel Mobile (uses E-Plus's network)
* Simyo (uses E-Plus's network)
* Aldi Talk (uses E-Plus's network)

{{col-2-of-3}}
'''Czech Republic'''
* [[T-Mobile]] 
* [[Vodafone Czech Republic|Vodafone]] 

{{col-2-of-3}}
'''Slovakia'''
* [[Orange Slovensko|Orange]]
* [[T-Mobile]]
* naymobile (uses O2's network)
* Tesco Mobile (uses O2's network)
* SwanMobile (uses O2's network)
{{col-end}}

{{cob}}

== Countries == 

Zur Telefónica Europe plc (GB) gehören fünf Landesgesellschaften mit über 42 Millionen Mobil- und Festnetzkunden in Europa. (Bad translation-try from Kilon22: "The Telefonica Europe plc (GB) consists of 5 national subsidiary with over 42 million mobile and fixed-line customers in Europe.)
 
Telefónica España (ES)
Telefónica Deutschland Holding (D)
Telefónica UK (GB)
Telefónica Czech Republic (CZ)
Telefónica Slovakia (SK)

The list is incomplete, and I think I could get more actual (and higher :>) numbers. Telefónica Europe is growing to a giant, they even wanted to buy E-Plus, which is one of the few "main providers" (with dozens of small subsidiaries each) in Germany. I had E-Plus for years when contracts were a good option (you did get a 300 - 400€ mobile for 1€ always for a 2 year contract, Flatrate for mobile to mobile was available, but so expensive, that it was de facto just too expensive for the average person and therefore even not offered I think. Maybe if you asked something could be done... They planned this for 2 years and did it on 1st October 2014, another step, but maybe the last large one, since already the buying of E-Plus for (2012 planned, dont know about the real price over 2 years later) to pay 5 billion €uro (back than this has been over 6.5 billion US-$ or so + 17.6% shares of Telefónica Deutschland Holding for the KPN which must be the old holder of E-Plus. 

It is not the deal of the decade but for me E-Plus was just E-Plus... never thought someone would buy them, ok same with Nokia to be honest, but this was because of Smartphones and mobiles... but also not a small one. The cartel office was one reason because it took so long, the "other" main/large competitors can not be bought from Telefónica Deutschland Holding... since they would create a "company" like it was with the "Deutsche Telekom" on fixed-lines telephones and ISDN or analog Internet lines in the 90's for private users and fast connections for commercial users which needed very high-speed internet and were willing to pay very very large amounts (especially for building the lines to the companies headquarters), they had a monopole back than. I hope that the cartel office only allow them to buy maybe small regional companies and no larger company offering mobile phone and mobile internet/voLTE etc... since they already abuse their power! I have no source yet, only the website from the Company would be a source?!

I will add it, but my English sucks, so maybe someone can filter out the important things and make a correct sentence out of this and post is here or add it to the article?! Greetings [[User:Kilon22|Kilon22]] ([[User talk:Kilon22|talk]]) 18:49, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

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