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{{DYK talk|1 August|2010|entry=... that, angry with being demoted by junta leader '''[[Nguyen Khanh]]''', Generals '''[[Lam Van Phat]]''' and '''[[Duong Van Duc]]''' launched a failed coup, only to have Khanh acquit them in his military court?}}
{{DYK talk|2 August|2010|entry=... that after helping '''[[Nguyen Khanh]]''' to [[January 1964 South Vietnamese coup|seize power in January 1964]] '''[[Tran Thien Khiem]]''' was exiled for trying to overthrow him nine months later, and finally succeeded from overseas five months later?}}
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== 1964 coup ==
This article is contradictory with the article about [[Duong Van Minh]]. The latter states that the coup was in Jannuary, not in August.  [[User:193.171.121.30|193.171.121.30]] 17:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
:*Not really. There Khanh led a coup against General Minh in January 1964, but a counter-coup against Khanh occurred in September 1964 (Khanh survived that coup). South Vietnam was exceptionally unstable, and coups occurred frequently. Lack of clarity in articles is often more at fault that actual contradiction. - [[User:Tim1965|Tim1965]] ([[User talk:Tim1965|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

The 1964 coup was a joint venture by Khanh and General Tran Thien Khiem. Easch had their own motivation. Khanh was angry that he had been moved further from Sai Gon and Khiem was angry that he had not received a government post promised in exchange for his support of the November coup against Ngo Dinh Diem and his brother Nhu. 

Also, Khanh had long political disputes with the November coup leaders Tran Van Don and Duong Van Minh. General Tran Van Don was a long-time member of the "Old Dai Viet" political party and one of the party leaders. Duong Van Minh had a brother who was an officer in the Peoples Army of Viet Nam (PAVN) better known as the North Vietnamese Army. Minh was considered a neutralist by Khanh.

Khanh aand Khiem manipulate u.s. ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge to support the overthrow of Don and Minh. Khanh and Khiem had been approached during late August 1963 by CIA officers to lead the coup against Diem and Nhu but they either passed out of fear or because they could not generate support from other generals. that is something that only Khanh and Khiem know. [[User:Ejrjr|Ejrjr]] ([[User talk:Ejrjr|talk]]) 19:35, 29 March 2010 (UTC) Edward Rasen, author Viet Nam War Secrets

== POV ==

An anonymous user just removed this paragraph (citing POV). I'm just putting it here in case someone wants to do something with it.
:General Khanh continues to believe strongly in democracy, and liberty for the people of Vietnam. He campaigns for peace and strongly feels that democracy cannot be developed without economic development which would be the condition for the national defense of Vietnam in the 21st Century.
--[[User:Taejo|Taejo]] 17:56, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

: Well, is it true? Maybe it sould go back in? [[User:Jake b|Jake b]] 05:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

-The above statement is true because he spoke about it at the speech at a U.S. University in Delaware.

''The general has said he always believed strongly in peace for his
country and that he feels that without peace Vietnam cannot be developed.''
http://www.udel.edu/PR/UpDate/94/31/10.html [[User:Bnguyen|Bnguyen]] 05:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Soditee Inc. ==

The article refers to Soditee Inc. I can't fine anything on the net about it. Anyone? [[User:Jake b|Jake b]] 05:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Here is the article that refers to Soditee Inc. http://www.udel.edu/PR/UpDate/94/31/10.html [[User:Bnguyen|Bnguyen]] 14:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

==Fair use rationale for Image:Nguyen Khanh.jpg==
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==Political career==

This article is contradictory ("bloodless military coup d'etat") with the article about [[Nguyen Van Nhung]]. The latter states that "Following a coup against Nhung's leader Minh a few months later in early 1964 by Nguyen Khanh, Nhung was himself executed [...]". [[User:Cb6|JohnHarris]] ([[User talk:Cb6|talk]]) 02:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Attempted alliance with North Vietnam ==

I find it odd that there is no mention in this article of Khanh's attempt to make an alliance with North Vietnam against 'foreign aggression' just before the coup detat which overthrew him. He was actively negotiating to hand control of South Vietnam over to the NLF and join in a military campaign against the US and then was conveniently replaced.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/58.178.202.12|58.178.202.12]] ([[User talk:58.178.202.12|talk]]) 03:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:This article was written by {{User|Bnguyen}} who seems like a member of Nguyen Khanh's  [[Government of Free Vietnam]], which likes to prattle on about its hardcore anti-communism. So I'm not surprised it's not there. It's a puff piece basically. Nguyen Khanh had quite a reputation for being erratic and playing silly political games. '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</span>]]''' (''[[User talk:YellowMonkey|<span style="color:#FA8605;">bananabucket</span>]]'') 04:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Orphaned references in [[:Nguyen Khanh]] ==

I check pages listed in [[:Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting]] to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for [[User:AnomieBOT/docs/OrphanReferenceFixer|orphaned references]] in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of [[:Nguyen Khanh]]'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for ''this'' article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

<b>Reference named "moyar":</b><ul>
<li>From [[1964 Brinks Hotel bombing]]: Moyar, p. 347.</li>
<li>From [[Duong Van Duc]]: Moyar, pp. 326&ndash;327.</li>
</ul>

<b>Reference named "encyc":</b><ul>
<li>From [[Ton That Dinh]]: Tucker, pp. 288&ndash;289.</li>
<li>From [[Ngo Dinh Nhu]]: Tucker, pp. 291&ndash;298.</li>
<li>From [[Pham Ngoc Thao]]: {{cite book|title=Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War| first= Spencer C. |last=Tucker |year=2000 |publisher=[[ABC-CLIO]]| pages =325| isbn=1-57607-040-0}}</li>
<li>From [[Nguyen Van Nhung]]: Tucker, p. 227.</li>
<li>From [[Le Quang Tung]]: {{cite book|title=Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War| first= Spencer C. |last=Tucker |year=2000 |publisher=[[ABC-CLIO]]| pages =227| isbn=1-57607-040-0}}</li>
</ul>

<b>Reference named "m110":</b><ul>
<li>From [[Nguyen Chanh Thi]]: Moyar, p. 110.</li>
<li>From [[1960 South Vietnamese coup attempt]]: [[#refMoyar|Moyar]], p. 110.</li>
</ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. [[User:AnomieBOT|AnomieBOT]][[User talk:AnomieBOT|<span style="color:#888800;">⚡</span>]] 07:46, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

==Seven paragraph lead section?==
Is there some reason why this article needs a 7 paragraph lead section? [[WP:LEAD#Length]] recommends no more than 4. I'm sure you can probably abridge his life to that length, even if it was extremely complex. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] ([[User talk:Zzyzx11|talk]]) 07:58, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:*Noted, I've just tagged this on the article page along with a multitude of other outstanding issues. Most notably, we need a reliable expert to help in peer review and reassessment. Thoughts, anyone? --<small>[[User:Dave1185|<i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i>]] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">[[user_talk:Dave1185|♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®]]</span></sup></small> 16:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

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== Dates impossible! ==

“In 1945, Khánh finished his secondary studies” which would have been in late spring or June, alas<br />
“The August Revolution had just occurred and Hồ had declared independence from ” thus he joined VN in autumn. Then:<br />
“However, Khánh soon left Hồ's forces after 15 months.” which would be December 1946, but:<br />
“In 1946, he <u>graduated from</u> the French Military Academy Saint-Cyr” which, even without taking into account the 3 week boat trip (officer candidates did not fly in those days) would have left him with a few days of study at the most. --[[:de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Zenwort|Zenwort]] 19:55, 11 May 2018 (UTC)  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Zenwort|Zenwort]] ([[User talk:Zenwort#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zenwort|contribs]]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Potential source==
The following biography of [[Lucien Conein]] is relatively recent and outlines his role in the [[1963 South Vietnamese coup]]:
:{{cite journal |last=Rust |first=William J. |date=December 2019 |title=CIA Operations Officer Lucien Conein: A Study in Contrasts and Controversy |url=https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol-63-no-4/pdfs/Conein-Contrasts-and-Controversy.pdf |access-date=June 14, 2020 |journal=Studies in Intelligence |location=Washington, D.C. |publisher=Center for the Studies of Intelligence |volume=63 |issue=4 |page=43-58|ref={{harvid|Rust|2019}}}}
Perhaps someone more familiar with subject matter can tell where it might fill in the gaps. - [[User:Location|Location]] ([[User talk:Location|talk]]) 19:07, 15 June 2020 (UTC)