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==Stara Vlaška==

Where exactly is this Stara Vla&#353;ka region of Croatia? The only Stara Vla&#353;ka I know is a street in Zagreb :)

: Well, this region was really, really small: it was kept in a box in a shop of that Zagreb street. :) 

My googling shows that it would be either be in Macedonia and Thessaly, or in the interior of "old Servia", or in Bosnia, which are all similarly ambiguous. The EB1911 goes into a bit more detail saying how Morlacchia came to be applied to pretty much all of modern Dalmatia, Bosnia and Slavonia, but that doesn't help the confusion... --[[User:Joy|Joy <small><small>&#91;shallot&#93;</small></small>]] 20:49, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

: It appears that it was indeed in Bosnia, not Croatia. BTW, searching for this I also found some interesting stuff on the [[Timok Vlachs]] of Serbia. [http://www.romanii.ro/english/THE%20ROMANIAN%20COMMUNITY.htm]  [[User:Bogdangiusca|Bogdan]] | [[User talk:Bogdangiusca|Talk]] 21:20, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The page on [[Zlatibor]] now mentions Stari Vlah - look into that. --[[User:Joy|Joy <small><small>&#91;shallot&#93;</small></small>]] 9 July 2005 13:05 (UTC)

== Some link ==

I found a reference on a website (not necessarily reliable, I think it was [[http://www.vlachophiles.net]]) that said that Morovlachs meant 'Sea Vlachs'. I'm sure that's wrong, because 'Moro'/'Mavro' is more likely from a Greek word meaning 'black/brown'. But the explanation given on the site is that these Vlachs originally lived on the Sea coast (Dalmatia or Albania). [[User:Alexander 007|Alexander 007]] 05:25, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

: According to [http://www.farsarotul.org/The%20Vlah%20Minority%20in%20Macedonia.pdf this paper], Black means North and White means South. Well, it fits here and also fits on the Black Cumania (in Ukraine) and White Cumania (in Wallachia). Anyway, this is similar to the way North and South are named in Romanian:
:* North: Miaz&#259;noapte ("Midnight")
:* South: Miaz&#259;zi ("Midday"). [[User:Bogdangiusca|Bogdan]] | [[User talk:Bogdangiusca|Talk]] 12:43, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==Stupid question==

Is there any connection between the name "Morlach" and "[[Morlock]]" (from H.G. Wells' books). Just wondering, perhaps it is a coincidence... - [[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 17:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
:No there isn't ...

::Actually, contrary to the anonymous contributors reply, there may be. Wells may have read the name somewhere and it came to him when he was looking for a name for his fictional creatures. [[User:Alex contributing from L.A.|A is putting the smack down]] ([[User talk:Alex contributing from L.A.|talk]]) 01:47, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Like Tolkin's "Midland" which is Eng translation of "Mediterranean" (medium-terra) and many other examples... [[User:Zenanarh|Zenanarh]] ([[User talk:Zenanarh|talk]]) 13:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

==infobox==

{{ethnic group|
|group=Morlachs
|image=[[Image:Vlachs.JPG|280px|]]
|poptime= 250,000 est
|popplace=[[Bosnia]]<br>[[Albania]]<br>[[Romania]]<BR>[[Republic of Macedonia]]<br>[[Bulgaria]]
|rels=[[Eastern Orthodoxy]], others
|langs=[[Vlachs language|Romanian]] and other languages in the areas in which they live
|related=&bull;&nbsp;[[Vlachs]]<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Romanians]]<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Moldovans]]<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Megleno-Romanians]]<br/>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Istro-Romanians]]<br/>
&bull;&nbsp;other [[Latin peoples]]
}}

what's wrong with this inforbox? Can anyone tell me why is reverted? --[[User:Vlachul|Preacher, or Princelet]] 13:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
:Erm, what's the source for the population figure? I'd say that Morlachs are practically extinct, i.e. assimilated into Slavic peoples around. For God's sake, only 22 people in Croatia assert the Morlach ethnicity, and I doubt anyone speaks the language anymore. [[User:Duja|Duja]] 07:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
::You're talking to [[User:Bonaparte|Bonaparte]], Duja. ;-) &mdash;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</span> 03:18, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:250,000 estimated Morlachs? LOL. Only a fraction of one percent (about 20) are Morlachs, unless someone is fooling around in wikipedia by posting fake demographic information. I can only guess a quarter of a million Croatians may have Morlachian ancestry, genetics or even live in the former province. But they are not Morlachians, don't speak any Morlach and only self-identify as Croatians or other [[South Slavs|South Slavic]] ethnicity. Good thing the estimation entry was long removed, doesn't contribute a cent's worth in the article. + [[Special:Contributions/71.102.2.206|71.102.2.206]] ([[User talk:71.102.2.206|talk]]) 03:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

== Dubious assertion ==

From the article:
<blockquote>The first phase of that proactive assimilation of Morlachs took place in Herzegovina and Montenegro where they not only were accepting the language of the local Slavs (now identified Serbs), but also turning it into a new Slavic language "novo[[shtokavian dialect|shtokavian]]" which would later serve as the base for [[Serbo-Croatian]]. But the fact that the Morlachs in the Western Balkan never reached the level of a nation, and had not given it their proper name resulted in recent disintegration of the Serbo-Croatian into Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian language.
</blockquote>Are you saying that Morlachs were responsible for generation of neo-shtokavian??? OMG! Morlachs are also responsible for disintegration of Serbo-Croatian??? That should better be backed up with some '''reliable''' sources. Otherwise, it doesn't belong to the article. [[User:Duja|Duja]] 10:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

: He/she hasn't provided any sources, that is original research and the information can't be accepted in the article. Now if the anonymous IP is right in some way, the article must be rewritten on the "extinct" Morlachs are "revived" in the early 2000's. To be truthful, ''Novo-Shtokavian'' is a Croatian dialect, not a separate Romance language and doesn't count as a by-product of Morlachian. + [[Special:Contributions/71.102.2.206|71.102.2.206]] ([[User talk:71.102.2.206|talk]]) 03:32, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

== Added link to Croatian Wikipedia ==

[[hr:Morlaci]]

--[[User:Kliker|kliker]] 02:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

== Assimilation ==
Part of the article says that "eventually most Morlachs linguistically assimilated the local Slavs." This statement is unclear, does it mean that the Slavs were assimilated into the Morlach population, or the Morlachs were assimilated into the Slav population? Later in the article it says the latter, but that happened much later. This should probably be cleared up.[[User:Rcduggan|Rcduggan]] ([[User talk:Rcduggan|talk]]) 13:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
:Morlachs were assimilated into the Slav population. [[User:Zenanarh|Zenanarh]] ([[User talk:Zenanarh|talk]]) 06:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

==What is the source for this text==
I copy-pasted this from the article:

:''"Furthermore the Vlach or Vlasi are descendents of the Italic peoples of Latio, who were Romanized; but they were related to the Slavs in the first place or more correctly to the Proto-Slavs who lived on the Italic and Balkan peninsulas much before the sixth century AD, as it has been assumed wrongly since the middle of the 19th century. According to Slav historians whose passed on the tradition and knowledge from their predecessors, the Slavs were one of the indigenous peoples of the region around the Black Sea, the Balkans and spreading out towards Western Europe, into the Italic Peninsula, and further on to Sicily where a tribe from Dalmatia called the Sikuli settled. The Italic Proto-Slavs-like the Etrurians or Raseni, as they called themselves-came under the strong colonial and cultural influence of the Greeks and were later merged into the Roman Republic and nation."''

What is the source for this? It looks like extravagant text and also it is mostly off-topic. [[User:Alex contributing from L.A.|A is putting the smack down]] ([[User talk:Alex contributing from L.A.|talk]]) 11:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

==Dalmatian speakers and Vlachs==
There is confusion in the article between speakers of [[Dalmatian language]]/[[Vegliot]] on one hand and speakers of [[Eastern Romance languages|Eastern Romance]] on the other. This confusion has been in the article for years and I brought it to attention on this talk page back in 2006. For example, the references to Morlachs on the island of [[Krk]] (also called [[Veglia]]), where [[Dalmatian language|Dalmatian]] speakers were settled leads me to conclude that the reference is to Dalmatian-speakers. Was the term [[Vlach]] and [[Maurovlach]] used for Dalmatian speakers ''and'' Easteern Romance speakers? This may be the case, for example Italians have also been referred to as Vlachs (by [[Polish people|Poles]], etc.). [[User:Alex contributing from L.A.|A is putting the smack down]] ([[User talk:Alex contributing from L.A.|talk]]) 19:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

:Vlachs and Morlachs were differently used by different sources. It's possible that Vegliot speakers used Morlachs for the shephards, settlers of the Dalmatian inland, remains of the Romanized Illyrians, while in the same time the Venetian or Croatian speakers could have used it for isolated groups of Vegliot speakers, who were also nothing but Romanized pre-Roman natives. It's very important to notice that Dalmatian language (probably dialect closer to Ragusan than Vegliot) almost completely disappeared in Zadar during 14th century, completely replaced by Croatian, while the documents were always written in Latin. And one of the first writings about the Morlachs came from Zadar in 14th century. There's a lot of mess with these ethnonyms - its meaning range from ethnos to profession, depending on the source, author and period. [[User:Zenanarh|Zenanarh]] ([[User talk:Zenanarh|talk]]) 14:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Extinct ethnic group ==
The number of Morlachs are very low, perhaps full-blooded or self-designated members of the ethnic group are gone. They paid a heavy toll of cultural assimilation into [[Croatian]]/[[Yugoslavian]] and/or [[Italian]] society. Some ethnological sources continued to portray Morlachs in the Balkans and perhaps a subgroup of Croatian-Italians a "dormant ethnicity" who have living descendants living at the present, but none of them to our knowledge are observing Morlachian customs such as learning to speak the ancestral language. The 20 Morlachs of Croatia in the 21st century are in it's end.  

I doubt any "born again Morlachian" is around to create a neo-Morlachian or "Balkan Morlach Revival" movement, unlike the current Celtic revival movements of "born again Celts" in late 20th century [[England]] with the issue of [[Cornish people]] and the ''lloegr'' or "lost land people" in Great Britain; and the Celtic nationalists of [[Galicians]] or [[Cantabria|Cantabricans]] in northern [[Spain]]. The Morlachs were a missing piece of European history, the Romanized peoples of what later became Yugoslavia after the Slavic peoples resettled the land. + [[Special:Contributions/71.102.2.206|71.102.2.206]] ([[User talk:71.102.2.206|talk]]) 03:20, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


Has anybody taken pains to track down and interview these remaining 22 people? I think it should be done for the sake of collecting as much information as possible. It is odd that we have this chance still and do not make use of it. Many sources state that Morlachs were extict since the XVIII or XIX century and now (in 1991) 22 people happened to identify themselves as Morlachs. Is it not a great thing...?[[User:Aldrasto|Aldrasto]] ([[User talk:Aldrasto|talk]]) 12:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

:LOL you don't understand. Real Morlachs are really extinct, probably already from the 15th century. All those Morlachs later were people of "Morlachian proffession" - sheep shephards in the Dinaric Alps. Just because they were not some educated people they probably equalized their ethnicity to their proffession - remains of Medieval social class separation. I doubt these "Neo-Morlachs" have anything special to say - except why they have decided to use "Morlach" as ethnicity. BTW Morlach descendents are Croats today. If you want to know something about "Morlachian culture" you just need to ask any Croat from inland Dalmatia and Herzegovina ;-) [[User:Zenanarh|Zenanarh]] ([[User talk:Zenanarh|talk]]) 13:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you are right, maybe not... Nonetheless I think given the present circumstances it would be worth its while to hear what these people have to say about their family history, descent,  migrations etc. Let people tell their story... Morlachs as other Rumenians/Arumenians are jealously attached to their origins and traditions. It seems these 22 people live in Istria, together with other Istroromanians: this proves that they all feel a sense of belonging to same great family of the Romanians of the Balkans. It is a nation that has lived there and survived for more than 2000 years. As such it has its distictive charachter and outstanding ethnological interest.
There are just 22 of them left who still identify themselves as Morlachs,
why not spending the time and effort?[[User:Aldrasto|Aldrasto]] ([[User talk:Aldrasto|talk]]) 15:43, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:Aha in Istria, that's something else, it's interesting if they use "Morlachs" since they were using rather "Rumani" or "Vlasi" per records in the past. Yes there is small Istro-Romanian community there, but not 2.000 yrs old for sure, in the same place. 1st record of them was in the 12th century. It's not certain whether they were emigrants from Romania or the last remains of the inland Dalmatian language speeakers (in this case they would be 2.000 yrs old in the same place). It seems that Dalmatian language dialects in the inland (not in the islands and littoral cities) were more close to Romanian. [[User:Zenanarh|Zenanarh]] ([[User talk:Zenanarh|talk]]) 09:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Slavonia, the Eastern part of Croatia was named ''Little Valachia'' meaning today little Romania (former Pokrac and Pojega sanjaks) . There was a large number of local Vlachs and Vlachs brought from eastern or southern parts of Serbia. Some Croats historians  called them Morlachs. So the discussion is very long...
[[User:Riadder|Riadder]] ([[User talk:Riadder|talk]]) 09:50, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

== Meaning of "Black" ==

It says in this article that "Black" might mean "Northern" according to Turkish name of the cardinal points, there might be some other explanations, for example this alternative explanation using the old-Slavonic cardinal points names (which is actually reversed)

"The ethnographic explanation that the term was applied from the old-Slavonic use of colours for the cardinal points on the compass. The ancient totem-god Svitovyd had four faces. The northern face of this totem was white (hence White Russia), the western face red (hence Chervona (Red) Rus'), the southern black and the eastern green (hence Zelenyj klyn). This, however, makes the placement of Black Ruthenia problematic." from [[White Russia]] . - signed by anon IP

So, which one is the correct (or most likely) explanation? -- [[User:man with one red shoe|man with one <span style="color:red;">red</span> shoe]] 15:47, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

First, Turkish is not Turkish, it's Old-Iranian. I've never heard about reverse Old-Slavonic (!?). There are other explanations about 'black' like color of Morlachian clothes - dark, black,... [[User:Zenanarh|Zenanarh]] ([[User talk:Zenanarh|talk]]) 07:18, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

: I contend the term "black" is more attributed to geographical locations, like the "Black mountain" of [[Montenegro]] or in their language ''Crna Gora''. The Dalmatian coasts have several mountains noted for their dark color, close to "black" and the inhabitants are beige or tanned due to the high amount of sunlight in a warmer climate of the Adriatic. But there were some tales of descendants of brown-skinned peoples known as the [[Balkan Egyptians]] whom are identified as ethnological relatives to the [[Romani people]], and that the Morlachs are probably an autochtonous people in the Balkans before any other present-day Indo-European linguistic races appeared in southeastern Europe about 5000 years ago. But the terms "Moors" are commonly found in areas where [[Islam]] ruled parts of southern Europe and/or were settled by [[Moors]], [[Arabs]], [[Turks]] and even a miniscule number of [[West African]] slaves brought over to Europe in waves either by the Romans, Greeks, [[Byzantines]] and [[Ottomans]], or western European traders. [[Special:Contributions/71.102.1.101|71.102.1.101]] ([[User talk:71.102.1.101|talk]]) 07:34, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

:Zenanarh: The anon has a point. See [[Cardinal direction#Cardinal directions in world cultures]] (which says nothing about Iranian). --[[User:Florian Blaschke|Florian Blaschke]] ([[User talk:Florian Blaschke|talk]]) 12:09, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

== Croatian census ==

Please avoid eliminating '''Croatian census''' from text. It is official data not private data. Your edits are original research (OR) in the language of Wikipedia.
[[User:Riadder|Riadder]] ([[User talk:Riadder|talk]]) 08:34, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
: Please provide reference that Morlachs are "officially recognized ethnicity". People write in census that they are [[Klingon]]. This does not make Klingons recognized ethnicity in the United States or Russia (or in other countries where such idiots live). [[User:Staszek Lem|Staszek Lem]] ([[User talk:Staszek Lem|talk]])
:: Please read what means Census and who made the Croatian Census. Your opinion is (OR) Original Research ![[User:Riadder|Riadder]] ([[User talk:Riadder|talk]]) 10:23, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
::: My opinion is [[WP:NOR|not original research]], because I do not add anything to wikipedia article. On the other hand, you did not provide a a reference I requested, as it is requires [[WP:CITE|by Wikipedia rules]]. [[User:Staszek Lem|Staszek Lem]] ([[User talk:Staszek Lem|talk]]) 20:35, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

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|style="padding-left:0.6cm"|I'm not seeing a citation to the census in question, please provide one. As for the nature of censuses: Statistics bureaus are not policymakers. "Official recognition" implies policymaking. Therefore, statistics bureaus do not provide "official recognition." I do not know of exceptions to that rule, but if you do, feel free to provide relevant citations. In the meanwhile, [https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2010/0401/April-Fools-jokes-for-2010-Census-form-What-is-your-race-Vulcan. here's] some reading. [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 00:08, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
|}

::::The Croatian census and Vlach situation is described in: http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/469cbf8f0.pdf [[User:Riadder|Riadder]] ([[User talk:Riadder|talk]]) 12:45, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
::::: I only see one mention of Vlachs in table 1 - ''Ethnic structure of the population in Croatia, 1981–2001'' (p. 7).
::::: Note this distinction between census characterization and formal recognition: ''"In the 1991 census, many Croatian citizens declared themselves to be members of 23 nationalities, 22 of which enjoy the legal status of national minorities."'' (p. 6) [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 13:54, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

::::: This article is about Morlachs. The census data does not list Morlachs. "Morlachs" is an obsolete term. [[User:Staszek Lem|Staszek Lem]] ([[User talk:Staszek Lem|talk]]) 17:27, 15 February 2018 (UTC)


Warning. Frecvent disrupting was reported to administrators. Please read about '''exonims''' before making disruptive edits.
'''Denying the existence of a minority is a NATIONALISTIC and RASIST approach'''
[[User:Riadder|Riadder]] ([[User talk:Riadder|talk]]) 05:59, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
:Two thoughts:  First, that source says nothing about official recognition, so we definitely have to remove the word "recognized " until / unless a better source is found. I'm also concerned about the connection between the word "Morlachs" and "Vlachs" - that paragraph connects the two, but the source doesn't.  I would suggest trimming it down to just "In Croatia today, "Vlachs" are the smallest minority identified by name in the Croatian census, with 29 individuals declaring themselves Vlachs in the 2011 Croatian census."  Then this sentence has to be moved next to another (''sourced'') section talking about how the words relate to each other.  Even then, it might make more sense on the article for [[Vlachs]], since the source doesn't mention the word [[Morlachs]]. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] ([[User talk:Aquillion|talk]]) 02:58, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
::Morlachs are a historic social community and '''do not exist today'''. Those "Vlachs" are [[Istro-Romanians]]. There should be no mention of 29 individuals (?) at this article.--[[User_talk:Zoupan|Z<small>oupan</small>]] 19:02, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

==Do Morlachs exist in Croatia today?==
{{atop|result=Closing this discussion as per a request at [[Wikipedia:Requests for closure]].  The consensus is clear that there are no reliable sources that state Molachs exist in Croatia, and Wikipedia's position must therefore be that they do not. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:1.1em/1em Arial Black;letter-spacing:-0.09em">[[User:Fish and karate|<u style="text-decoration:none;color:#38a">Fish</u>]]+[[User_talk:Fish and karate|<u style="text-decoration:none;color:#B44">Karate</u>]]</u> 11:19, 23 March 2018 (UTC)}}
Please see section above, [[#Croatian census]] and recent revert war. [[User:Staszek Lem|Staszek Lem]] ([[User talk:Staszek Lem|talk]]) 17:55, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

===Survey===
*No. "Morlachs" is an obsolete term and the census data do not list them. Therefore [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Morlachs&curid=1295508&diff=825929165&oldid=825827206 the disputed paragraph] does not belong to this article. [[User:Staszek Lem|Staszek Lem]] ([[User talk:Staszek Lem|talk]]) 17:55, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
*No, or at least the sources we have at the moment don't support that.  We can say that a small number of people identify as Vlachs, but we would need to place that after an additional source connecting the terms, and it would have to be more cautiously worded (the word "recognized" in particular is loaded and doesn't seem to necessarily reflect the source, which is unclear on what being in this list means.  Recognized by who or what?) --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] ([[User talk:Aquillion|talk]]) 02:59, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

*We need to keep all data about the Morlchs/Vlachs. They belong to the heritage of Croatia and denying their existence even their number is reduced is pure nationalism and racism. We do not need such approach in this article. The provided reference show the existence of a small number of Vlachs/Morlachs. The nationalism provided here is against normal education in Croatia.
:[[User:Riadder|Riadder]] ([[User talk:Riadder|talk]]) 09:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

:OTHER References on Morlachs/Vlachs census. Editors like Stasek and Aquillion do not understand '''that Morlach is an exonim for Vlach''' !

:1. Laurence Mitchell, Serbia, Publisher: Bradt Travel Guides LTD, USA, 2013, p.39, ISBN 978 1841624361

:2. Marianne Nikolov, Early Learning of Modern Foreign Languages: Processes and Outcomes, Publisher: Multilingual Matters, Bristol, Buffalo, Toronto, 2009, p. 31, ISBN 978 1847691460

*There is a Croatian Census:  https://www.dzs.hr/hrv/censuses/Census2001/Popis/H01_03_10/H01_03_10.html  Here is clear the Vlachs(Morlachs) still exist in Croatia. We still have nationalists who deny minorities.
[[Special:Contributions/86.124.160.242|86.124.160.242]] ([[User talk:86.124.160.242|talk]]) 17:20, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

:Fortis wrote that Morlachs did not necessarly call themselves Morlachs but rather Vlachs. Reference: Larry Wolff, Rise and fall of Morlachismo. In: Norman M. Naimark, Holly Case, Stanford University Press, Yugoslavia and Its Historians: Understanding the Balkan Wars of the 1990s, ISBN 978-0804745949 p.39

*"Morlachs" is not an exonym for Vlachs, nor synonymous with 29 individuals identifying as ''Vlah'' in Croatia. This article is clear about the subject. {{u|Staszek Lem}} is right in reverting the POV-warring {{u|Riadder}}.--[[User_talk:Zoupan|Z<small>oupan</small>]] 21:00, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

*This survey seems to be falsificated. There are references but users Zoupan and Staszek Lem did not read them. They use false hypotheses  and original research. [[Special:Contributions/93.122.251.75|93.122.251.75]] ([[User talk:93.122.251.75|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

* <small>Summoned by bot</small> '''No''' the issue seems to be one of semantics, but the key issue is that in the report by a leading minority rights group used to support the claim morlachs still exist, it explicitly denies the existence of Morlachs in Croatia. [[User:Prince of Thieves|Prince of Thieves]] ([[User talk:Prince of Thieves|talk]]) 21:22, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
*'''No''' {{sbb}} per others. [[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>◊distænt write◊</small>]] 12:14, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Minority heritage is often marginalized or even destroyed
–it is sometimes even stripped of its right to be called ‘heritage,’
and the minorities this heritage belongs to are forced
to live in conditions which are close to assimilation. It is the case of Morlachs/Vlachs from Croatia.
[[Special:Contributions/79.112.45.135|79.112.45.135]] ([[User talk:79.112.45.135|talk]]) 06:51, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
::That is not relevant here, go find a reliable source that says "Morlachs = Vlachs" and post it here. [[User:Prince of Thieves|Prince of Thieves]] ([[User talk:Prince of Thieves|talk]]) 12:41, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
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== Morlacchi = Vlassi of the sea ==

'' "This however is denied by the Abbé Fortis who hath published a volume of travels into that country. He informs us that the origin of the Morlacchi is involved in the darkness of barbarous ages .... 

''With regard to the etymology of the name the Abbé observes that the '''Morlacchi generally call them selves in their own language Vlassi''' a national term of which no vestige is found in the records of Dalmatia till the 13th century. It signifies powerful men or men of authority and the denomination of '''Moro Vlassi''', corruptly, Morlacchi as they are now called may perhaps point out the original of the nation. This word may posibly signify the conquerors that came from the sea ''Moor'' in all the dialects of the Sclavonian language signifying the ''sea''. " ''

''The Morlacchi are so different from the inhabitants of the sea-coasts in dialect, dress, dispositions, that they seem clearly to be of a different original, or at least the colonies must have settled distant periods from each other, that they have had time to alter in a great measure their national character. There is also a remarkable diversity among the Morlacchi themselves in several districts on account of the different countries from whence they came.'' 
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