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==I'm not sure where comments on style are supposed to go...==
This article is very poorly written by Wikipedia standards for a topic of this importance. Someone with editing skills please have a look. [[Special:Contributions/98.229.65.91|98.229.65.91]] ([[User talk:98.229.65.91|talk]]) 19:54, 16 February 2018 (UTC)JH

:Agreed. For starters, the 2nd sentence doesn't make sense. I would correct it, but I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean. [[Special:Contributions/135.180.119.208|135.180.119.208]] ([[User talk:135.180.119.208|talk]]) 03:59, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

==Untitled==
There is a conflict between this article and the [[Jim Thorpe]] article about who won the pentathalon in the 1912 Olympics. The Jim Thorpe article says that Thorpe initially won, with Ferdinand Bie was second. The article goes on to say that Thorpe was later stripped of his medal due to professionalism, and Bie was given the honor. However this pentathalon article lists Gosta Lillehook as the winner. One or the other article appears to be wrong. Perhaps someone with access to the original results can clarify this.
:The Thorpe article says in 1912 he won a pentathlon comprised of the following events: long jump, javelin throw, 200-meter dash, discus throw and 1500-meter run.  This is not the modern pentathlon.  However I thought the modern pentathlon was the only Olympic pentathlon from 1912 on.  I hope someone can shed some light on this. [[User:TacoDeposit|Taco Deposit]] 13:59, ([[User talk:86.6.169.201|talk]]) 14:09, 7 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::Gosta Lillehook won the first Olympic 'Modern' pentathlon, and the Jim Thorpe article seems correct.  You are confusing 'modern' and 'ancient' (athletics) pentathlon.
::Pentathlon (athletics version) results can be found at http://www.gbrathletics.com/ic/ogm.htm
::long jump, javelin, 200 metres, discus, 1500 metres
{| border="1" Cellpadding="2"
|'''Event:'''
|!align="center" bgcolor="gold"|'''Gold:'''
|!align="center" bgcolor="gold"|
|!align="center" bgcolor="silver"|'''Silver:'''
|!align="center" bgcolor="silver"|
|!align="center" bgcolor="CC9966"|'''Bronze:'''
|!align="center" bgcolor="CC9966"|
|-
|1906#||Hjalmer Mellander SWE||24||István Mudin HUN||25||Eric Lemming SWE||29
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|1908||not held||||||||||
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|1912||Jim Thorpe USA &||7*||James Donahue USA||29||Frank Lukeman CAN||29
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|||Ferdinand Bie NOR||21
|-
|1920||Eero Lehtonen FIN||14||Everett Bradley USA||24||Hugo Lahtinen FIN||26
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|1924||Eero Lehtonen FIN||14||	Elemér Somfay HUN	||16||Robert LeGendre USA||18
|-
|}
::1906# standing long jump, discus (greek style), javelin, 192 metres (one stade), graeco-roman wrestling
::Jim Thorpe* - re-instated in 1982

== Correction about the range that the targets are shotat ==
I have made a correction about the range that the targets are shot at (100 metres to 10 metres). [[User:202.146.253.4|202.146.253.4]] 08:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

== specifically for the modern Olympics ==

:its status as the only event created specifically for the modern Olympic Games

Wasn't the [[marathon]] also created specifically for the modern Olympics? - [[User:Fundamentisto|Fundamentisto]] ([[User talk:Fundamentisto|talk]]) 20:37, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:You seem to be right. I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Modern_pentathlon&diff=505329861&oldid=505328080 corrected the article accordingly] (it only took 4 years for you to get eared! wow! :-)
:The marathon is an ''event'' in athletics, not a separate sport. And long distance running already existed before the start of the modern Olympic games. It's just that the distance used for the 1912 London games somehow became the standard distance. [[Special:Contributions/2001:985:5AA4:1:88D1:59CC:C6AD:13B0|2001:985:5AA4:1:88D1:59CC:C6AD:13B0]] ([[User talk:2001:985:5AA4:1:88D1:59CC:C6AD:13B0|talk]]) 22:53, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

== Brief ==

Isn't this article... a little too short by English Wikipedia standards? I can think of reasons why (its low popularity in English speaking countries), but a sport that has been Olympic since 1912 deserves a little more attention. Should we ask fluent speakers to translate the [[:hu:Öttusa|Hungarian]] or [[:cs:Moderní pětiboj|Czech]] article? [[User:Steinbach|Steinbach]] ([[User talk:Steinbach|talk]]) 11:15, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
:This was recent vandalism - check the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Modern_pentathlon&action=history history]. I've restored the body of the article back to a previous version. [[Special:Contributions/Interplanet Janet|Interplanet Janet, Esquire]] <span style="font-size: smaller;">[[User talk:Interplanet Janet|IANAL]]</span> 14:07, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot! [[User:Steinbach|Steinbach]] ([[User talk:Steinbach|talk]]) 15:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
:::We must have been hitting the "save page" button at the same time, I saw the same vandalism.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.161.26.50|67.161.26.50]] ([[User talk:67.161.26.50|talk]]) 18:34, 11 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== other pentathlon ==

There seems to be some kind of "sea pentathlon" (direct translation from Finnish language) in which women's team world championship was held today. Yet nothing about that discipline in the article. Finnish federation of this sport has three disciplines apart the normal: sea pentathlon, air pentathlon and military pentathlon. [[Special:Contributions/82.141.66.2|82.141.66.2]] ([[User talk:82.141.66.2|talk]]) 19:16, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

:Found them. They are presented in [[Pentathlon]]. [[Special:Contributions/82.141.66.2|82.141.66.2]] ([[User talk:82.141.66.2|talk]]) 19:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

== athletes have to successfully shoot five targets, loading the gun after each shot. ==

How do you load a laser pistol?  Or have they gone back to "proper" guns?  Unclear, confusing.

: It would be good to get that cleared up. Please research this and get back then?
: Was this an air pistol from the very beginning or did they regular .22s at first? [[User:Kortoso|Kortoso]] ([[User talk:Kortoso|talk]]) 17:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

: Here's an article that explains how the lasers are "shot": [http://www.wired.com/2012/08/modern-pentathlon-laser-pistols/]
[[User:Kortoso|Kortoso]] ([[User talk:Kortoso|talk]]) 21:49, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

== Steeplechase? ==

Was the [[steeplechase]] in the original modern pentathlon or are authors confusing it with the [[show jumping]] discipline? [[User:Kortoso|Kortoso]] ([[User talk:Kortoso|talk]]) 17:48, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

== 2009 Innovation? ==

"''However, an innovation was introduced in 2009 to make the finale of the pentathlon more exciting. The last event is the Combined event: laser pistol shooting and cross-country running. Competitors are ranked according to their score from the first three disciplines and given start times accordingly, with the leader going first, and other starting times being dependent on the number of points already scored. The first person to cross the finish line, therefore, will be the overall points leader and win the pentathlon''" - I don't think this is entirely correct. I think the first person over the line has always been the winner (or at least, this has been in place for a long time), and the only innovation in 2009 was to mix the shooting with the running. [[User:Adpete|Adpete]] ([[User talk:Adpete|talk]]) 12:54, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
:I've edited that now. [[User:Adpete|Adpete]] ([[User talk:Adpete|talk]]) 01:07, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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== Soldier? not exactly... ==

In the Army I finished basic training and was shipped to Ft Sam Houston TX for Xray school. The National training center for the Olympic Pentathlon team trained at Ft Sam Houston too.

We arrived a week early, so they lent us out to the Pentathlon team to help "Move things".

The officer who ran the team gave us a history of the modern pentathlon similar to that described in the text- except he specified the "soldier" as a "courier" who had to deliver by horseback, run if unhorsed, swim if reaching a body of water, fight wit a gun if encountered, fight with the foil should he not have or has exhausted his pistol.

I cannot offer his name, but I figured he would know- the US military has done well in the sport all through the 20th century

: That (courier) is the way it was explained to me 20-odd years ago.

I heard that Baron de Coubertain got his inspiration from "Michael Strogoff: The Courier of the Czar" (French: Michel Strogoff)  a novel written by Jules Verne in 1876. That courier had to make use of exactly those skills to make his way with an important dispatch.
[[Special:Contributions/83.223.9.100|83.223.9.100]] ([[User talk:83.223.9.100|talk]]) 14:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

== Bonus Fencing Round ==
The 2020 Olympic Games seem to have a bonus fencing round after the swimming. As far as I can tell, it's a direct elimination, with participants scoring one point per win. Someone who knows more of the details should add this to the article. [[Special:Contributions/62.216.5.216|62.216.5.216]] ([[User talk:62.216.5.216|talk]]) 15:34, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
:Good point.  It's indeed a form of elimination round, but rather than a 'bracket' knockout (as with tennis tournaments, etc), it's a single-elimination ranked ladder, starting at the bottom.  [[Modern pentathlon at the 2020 Summer Olympics#Format|The article on that topic]] actually describes it in reasonable detail, and seems to have decent sources, and I ''believe'' it's a general part of the MP format now, so should be at least mentioned here too.  OTOH, competition formats may vary, so the scope of such a statement would have to be double-checked against the sources.  [[Special:Contributions/109.255.211.6|109.255.211.6]] ([[User talk:109.255.211.6|talk]]) 22:56, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

==Recent events==
{{Ping|Stevo1000}} removed the criticism section due to WP:Recentism. While he might have a point that it was maybe a little too detailed, there should be such a section, as changes to the current competition format are demanded by many due to those recent events. <ref name="Jones 2021">{{cite web | last=Jones | first=Eleanor | title=Top eventer calls for pentathlon rule change after controversial scenes | website=Horse & Hound | date=2021-08-07 | url=https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/ingrid-klimke-calls-for-pentathlon-rule-change-after-controversial-scenes-757521 | access-date=2021-08-07}}</ref><ref name="the Guardian 2021">{{cite web | title=Germany call for modern pentathlon rule changes after horse punch incident – video | website=the Guardian | date=2021-08-07 | url=http://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2021/aug/07/olympics-germany-modern-pentathlon-rule-changes-kim-raisner-video | access-date=2021-08-07}}</ref>
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== Who wrote this $#@! ==

This entire article needs rewritten due to the nonsensical inclusion of winners of the pentathlon, without naming the winners just when Team USA did. Wikipedia is for everyone not just Americans. The same goes for the Olympics. [[User:ThaddeusThomas|ThaddeusThomas]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusThomas|talk]]) 03:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

== Sources ==

Why is a Xinhua article the source for the UIPM survey when it is available here, with more information about the poll, including wording: https://www.uipmworld.org/news/modern-pentathlon-obstacle-will-boost-popularity-olympic-games-according-us-public-survey [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:D086:CC00:D0D6:FBD1:DA93:D99|2604:3D09:D086:CC00:D0D6:FBD1:DA93:D99]] ([[User talk:2604:3D09:D086:CC00:D0D6:FBD1:DA93:D99|talk]]) 17:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)