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==I have archived the talk page discussion==

I have archived the talk page discussion.  In a nutshell:

* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] shows the consensus going from it being OK for me to extensively edit the article as long as I was neutral to being one where I had to be extremely careful editing the article because of my [[WP:COI|COI]].
* [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]] shows the article being proposed for deletion then finally nominated for deletion, and the references dug up to show that MaraDNS is, indeed, notable.  It also has my request to have the article updated for the 2010s (done).

I am very pleased the MaraDNS article survived AfD (the vote to see if MaraDNS is notable enough to have on the Wikipedia) with a strong “Keep” consensus because of the significant coverage in third party sources establishing notability.  MaraDNS will probably be my legacy, the thing I will show my grandkids when they ask me what I accomplished in my life.  I will tell them that “it even has a Wikipedia article.”

I’ll be back on the talk page should six months or more go by with the Wikipedia’s “current release” field out of date.  Otherwise, I’ll probably not be here...and I hopefully will never need to edit the article space MaraDNS article ever again.  [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 07:17, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

== MaraDNS 2.0.09 released ==

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MaraDNS has been updated to 2.0.09, which was released on February 12, 2014 [http://samiam.org/blog/2014-02-12.html release notes].  The page currently incorrectly claims the most recent version is 2.0.07b; 2.0.07b hasn’t been the most recent version of MaraDNS since September 20, 2013 (over six months ago), as per the [http://maradns.samiam.org/changelog.html MaraDNS changelog].  [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 06:43, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
:{{ping|Samboy}} {{Done}}, sorry for the long wait. I've updated the article to show the latest 2.0.09 release. Thanks! <b>~[[User:SuperHamster|<i style="color:#07517C;">Super</i>]][[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 01:48, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
::Thank you for doing that.  This should only have to be done once a year; MaraDNS is finished and I only release about one update a year (barring a security problem). [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 17:18, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

== MaraDNS 2.0.11 released ==

MaraDNS 2.0.11 released on January 30, 2015:

* http://marc.info/?l=maradns-list&m=142259978324283&w=2
* http://samiam.org/blog/2015-01-29.html
* http://maradns.samiam.org/changelog.html
* https://github.com/samboy/MaraDNS (I would give you the commit for the release, but Github is down right now)

[[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 11:35, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

:Thanks for the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MaraDNS&type=revision&diff=663864268&oldid=610430269 update]! [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 13:33, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

== External links modified ==

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== Sources which establish notability for MaraDNS ==

I brought this up back in 2013 during the SNOW keep AfD this article had, but I will provide an updated list here, since MaraDNS continues to be published in reliable sources, further cementing its notability:

* {{cite book
  |last = Mens
  |first = Jan-Piet
  |title = Alternative DNS Servers: Choice and Deployment, and Optional SQL/LDAP Back-Ends (Paperback)
  |publisher = UIT Cambridge Ltd.
  |year = 2008
  |pages = 76-94
  |isbn = 0-9544529-9-2}} This book devotes an entire chapter (over 7,000 words in total) to MaraDNS
* {{cite web
|url=http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1562
|title=How OpenDNS, PowerDNS and MaraDNS remained unaffected by the DNS cache poisoning vulnerability
|last=Danchev
|first=Dancho
|publisher=[[ZDNet]]
|accessdate=2009-10-10
}} Observe the word “MaraDNS” in the title of this ZDNet article.
* {{Citation
|author1=Jian Jiang
|author2=Jinjin Liang
|author3=Kang Li
|author4=Jun Li
|author5=Haixin Duan
|author6=Jianping Wu
|title=Ghost Domain Names: Revoked Yet Still Resolvable
|year=2012
|page=10
|url=http://www.isc.org/files/imce/ghostdomain_camera.pdf
}} "MaraDNS (version Deadwood-3.0.03), Microsoft DNS (version Windows Sever 2008 R2) and Unbound (version 1.4.11), are immune to the ghost domain attack [...] MaraDNS, has already applied the first solution listed in the above section. It only accepts a zone’s delegation data from its parent zone"
* MaraDNS is discussed at depth in “[http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~shmat/shmat_securecomm10.pdf The Hitchhiker’s Guide to DNS cache poisoning]” by Sooel Son and Vitaly Shmatikov.  We’re not talking a casual mention confirming MaraDNS’ existence.  We’re talking an in-depth description and comparison of MaraDNS’ cache poison resistance compared to BIND and Unbound (My summary: MaraDNS has a unique way of handling baliwick, NS referrals, and caching data that is remarkably simple and secure from blind spoofing attacks)  This article was published in the book “Security and Privacy in Communication Networks: 6th International ICST Conference, SecureComm 2010.” (edited by Sushil Jajodia, Jianying Zhou) and printed by Springer, and is more recent than the references I added to the talk page in 2009.
* A two-part article about MaraDNS, published in ''Enterprise Networking Planet'': {{Citation
|author1=Carla Schroder
|title=Buck DNS Monoculture with BIND Alternatives 
|year=2006
|url=http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3639976/Buck-DNS-Monoculture-with-BIND-Alternatives.htm
}} (part 1) and {{Citation
|author1=Carla Schroder
|title=Buck DNS Monoculture with BIND Alternatives (part2)
|year=2006
|url=http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3641731/Buck-DNS-Monoculture-with-BIND-Alternatives-Part-2.htm
}} Both articles talk about pretty much nothing but MaraDNS; that’s over 2400 words from a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable]] third party source.
* {{cite book
  |last = Schroder
  |first = Carla
  |title = Linux Networking Cookbook (Paperback)
  |page = 545
  |publisher = O'Reilly
  |year = 2007
  |isbn = 0-596-10248-8}} The same author as the above articles got a book published by O’Reilly where she mentions MaraDNS again.
* {{Citation
|author1=João Antunes
|author2=Nuno Ferreira Neves
|author3=Paulo Veríssimo
|title=Finding Local Resource Exhaustion Vulnerabilities
|year=2007
|url=http://homepages.di.fc.ul.pt/~nuno/pubs.html
|location=18th IEEE International Symposium on Software Reliability Engineering, Trollhättan, Sweden}} “Figure 2, for instance, shows that the BIND server performs worse than MaraDNS under the same attack, which means that the later is able to sustain a larger number of attacks than the first”
* {{Citation
|author=Zheng Wang
|title=The Availability and Security Implications of Glue in the Domain Name System
|year=2016
|url=https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1605/1605.01394.pdf
|publisher=[[arXiv]]}}
* {{Citation
|author1=Barry S. Fagin
|author2=Bradley Klanderman
|author3=Martin C. Carlisle
|title=Making DNS Servers Resistant to Cyber Attacks: An Empirical Study on Formal Methods and Performance
|year=2017
|url=http://www.faginfamily.net/barry/Papers/Fagin%20Carlisle%20Klanderman%20COMPSAC%202017.pdf
|publisher=IEEE
|doi=10.1109/COMPSAC.2017.165}}

[[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 20:34, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

== Updating MaraDNS version number ==

Just a heads up that I, as an editor with a conflict of interest, have updated MaraDNS’s version number in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MaraDNS&type=revision&diff=938177927&oldid=917839981 this diff].  I feel this is an uncontroversial edit which improves the Wikipedia.  If anyone feels this is not an appropriate change for an editor with a [[WP:COI|COI]] to engage in, please let us know by responding here. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 16:08, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
:And, I just did it again, bumping the version number to 3.5.0002.  Since I have automated a lot of the release engineering in the slow process of making MaraDNS use a Continuous Integrated approach, I can make fully tested releases a lot more quickly and easily now. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 15:17, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
::I have release 3.5.0005 earlier this week.  I should have 3.5.0006 out later this summer, with the Dockerfile finished up (right now, MaraDNS compiles and runs fine in Docker, but one needs to enter the Docker container to edit configuration files, and Deadwood, the recursive half, really should have its own Dockerfile) and a [[Docker (software)|Docker]] HOWTO written up. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 04:05, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
:::And again, I did an update, mainly to get the bad taste of editing an article about an unpleasant murder out of my mouth.  I’m actually updating MaraDNS a lot more right now until the COVID-19 crisis tides over and I can be a professional software developer again, and have made MaraDNS a lot easier to update.  I won’t update this article again until spring of 2021; it would be better for someone else to update the version number, but, for a period longer than six months, the harm of having an editor with a conflict of interest making a neutral edit is less than the harm of the article being outdated.  [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 11:24, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

== MaraDNS 3.5.0018 and 3.5.0019 released ==

Since this article was last edited [https://maradns.samiam.org/changelog.html MaraDNS 3.5.0018 and MaraDNS 3.5.0019] have been released.  Since one person raised concerns that my editing the article to update its version number might be an issue well over a decade ago (I’m the MaraDNS implementer), I will not update the article unless it’s over six months out of date. Since MaraDNS 3.5.0018 was released on December 20, 2020, I will update this article on June 21st unless someone else does it first.  [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 22:06, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

== Version number is out of date ==

The version number has been out of date since March 16, when I released MaraDNS 3.5.0019.  I have subsequently released 3.5.0020 and 3.5.0021.  Unless someone else updates the version number, I will do so after September 16th (when the version number is over six months out of date).  As per the above, the harm of an editor with a conflict of interest making a neutral non-contentious edit to the article is less than the harm with the version number being out of date for over six months. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 01:56, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MaraDNS&type=revision&diff=1044911160&oldid=989501977 Updated]. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 18:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)