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Shouldn't this go in wiktionary?

== Revert and move ==

Why was this reverted from a redirect and moved to this title? Moving to to a title with (disambiguation) doesn't change the fact that a disambiguation page is unnecessary when there are not multiple topics discussed on Wikipedia that could be referred to using the disambiguated term. The moon is not called just "lunar," and neither is "lunar distance," and the [[expert system]] article doesn't mention Lunar. The videogame series is thus the only applicable topic. [[User:Propaniac|Propaniac]] ([[User talk:Propaniac|talk]]) 19:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Incidentally, I also don't know why the user who made this change also added a hatnote to [[Lunar (series)]] that says "Lunar redirects here," five minutes before he changed [[Lunar]] so that it ''doesn't'' redirect there anymore. [[User:Propaniac|Propaniac]] ([[User talk:Propaniac|talk]]) 19:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Oops, sorry, I forgot to update that hatnote (I had to wait a couple of hours before the disambiguation page was deleted so I could make the move). I took care of that now, thanks for pointing it out. I did that in the first place because I hadn't noticed that "Lunar" had previously been a disambiguation page that was later overridden by a redirect. Once I noticed that, I realised it'd be better to move it to the disambiguation title instead of creating it from scratch, in order to preserve editing history.
::As for the need for disambiguation, well I'm pretty sure most people doing a search for "Lunar" are actually looking for the RPG series. That's far from being the main term for that query ({{google|lunar|check for yourself}}). Thus, even though there's no concrete entity explicitly called "Lunar", the term is often related to several concepts, most of them referring to the [[Moon]]. Thus I find it reasonable that "lunar" shouldn't redirect to the RPG series, but to a disambiguation page (or be a disambiguation page itself).
::--[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] <sup>[[User talk:Waldir|talk]]</sup> 21:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Could "lunar" also refer to ''other'' moons (around other planets)? On Mars, say, would an eclipse of Phobos be called a ''lunar'' eclipse? [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 13:56, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Requested move 6 February 2019 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''no consensus to move''' the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 20:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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[[:Lunar]] → {{no redirect|Lunar (disambiguation)}} – To redirect {{No redirect|Lunar}} to [[Moon]] per [[WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT]]. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 20:37, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Although the series does get quite a few views [[https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-20&pages=Moon|Lunar_(series)|Lunar_(song)|Lunar_(sega_cd)]] its name appears to derive from this concept. A Google search also shows things associated with the Moon and I'm pretty sure its primary in particular by long-term significance. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]])  21:28, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' per [[Solar]], [[Venusian]], [[terrestrial]], [[Martian]], [[Jovian]], [[Saturnian]], [[Uranian]], [[Neptunian]] - none of which are primary redirects to their associated celestial bodies.  [[Mercurial]] doesn't either, but [[Mercurian]] does, but it is used so rarely there is no disambiguation page. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]]  03:31, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
*'''Opppose''' per Netoholic. Can add [[Plutonian]], [[Celestial]], [[Marine]] and so on to that list. We have a {{look from|Lunar||large number of titles}} that start "Lunar" so the reader is hindered by redirecting staight to "Moon". [[Special:Contributions/94.21.238.64|94.21.238.64]] ([[User talk:94.21.238.64|talk]]) 10:21, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
** Also [[Stellar]]. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]]  17:56, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Netoholic. And per Netoholic only. Anon 94...64's added rationale is faulty, since DAB pages does not exist to list things that {{em|start with}} a name, only things called by that name exactly (at least least some of the time, even if they also have longer or other names). If "starts with ..." entries appear on a DAB page at all, it's only when they are very commonly sought by readers and they always go in the "See also" section. Our usual approach to this is actually an entry in "See also" that points to a starts-with search to bring up all such pages. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 10:34, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
*'''<s>Support</s> [edit:Neutral, with the addition of the three lunar topics proposed by PC78 below]'''. The other items [edit: now expanded] on the lunar disambiguation page are either songs, a computer system, video games, or trivial compared to the common name designator for the Moon. Netoholic's list is helpful yet, on individual inspection, some are full articles while the items on the disambiguation pages make more sense than Lunar as they include gods and goddesses, fictional inhabitants of the planets, etc., and may be more likely to be searched as alternate terms than lunar. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 12:56, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I'm not convinced that people who ''specificaly'' search for "lunar" will be looking for a generic article about the Moon, and the relatively [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2015-07&end=2019-01&pages=Moon|Lunar_(series)|Lunar_(song)|Lunar_(sega_cd)|Lunar low number of pageviews] for the dab page suggests I'm right. It's perhaps more likely people would be looking for something like [[lunar phase]], [[lunar eclipse]], [[lunar effect]], etc. A better constructed dab page is probably the solution. [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 16:41, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I am inclined to side with Netoholic and PC78 here. [[User:Nohomersryan|Nohomersryan]] ([[User talk:Nohomersryan|talk]]) 04:17, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Clear primary redirect. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 13:44, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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== Edit reversion 16 Feb 2019 ==

{{re|Randy Kryn}} in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=883612337&oldid=883189283&title=Lunar this edit] I carried out a substantial clean up of this page, including adding new entries, and deleting [[WP:PTM|partial title matches]]. I used the edit summary "Clean up per [[MOS:DAB]]. Remove partial title matches (still available from See also lookfrom and intitle searches".  You [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=883615206&oldid=883612337&title=Lunar reverted my edit] with summary "Undid good faith revision, you've gutted much of the page". Indeed I did gut some of the page: would you please explain your reversion in terms of policy/guidance.  [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud|talk]]) 19:41, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
::I reviewed, and [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]]'s changes seem appropriate, and in accordance to [[MOS:DAB]].  Specifically, this page had a laundry list of [[WP:PARTIAL|partial title matches]] which were appropriately removed.  No one interested in ancient calendaring systems would enter "Lunar" and reasonably expect to find an article on "Lunar mansion", for example. The dab page is not an index of things related to the Moon. I note that the See also section already includes {{tl|lookfrom}} which a reader might find useful.  I support reverting back all the changes made to clean up this page. [[User:Coastside|Coastside]] ([[User talk:Coastside|talk]]) 20:22, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
:::Fair enough, thanks. Please also consider requesting a reopening of the above move discussion, because my '''neutral''', and possibly {{u|PC78}}'s oppose, were based on the inclusion of such language and links into the disg. page. Lunar means the Moon, and that seems to be the article for the common and primary redirect. Adding many of the lunar designates, and making sure that the initial link to 'Moon' was obvious, seemed a good compromise. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
::::I would leave it the way it is.  It isn't critical that Moon is the primary topic of Lunar.  Most people interested in the moon would just look up "Moon" anyway. I would change the intro to:
<blockquote>'''Lunar''' most commonly refers to the [[Moon]].

 '''Lunar''' may also refer to:
</blockquote>
[[User:Coastside|Coastside]] ([[User talk:Coastside|talk]]) 21:53, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::Lunar orbit, lunar landing, lunar eclipse, those and dozens of other examples all use "lunar" as either the proper name of the Moon or the common nickname for the Moon. [[Moon]] seems the obvious redirect. Even though a video game series, two songs, a design consultancy, a Linux system, a camera, and apparently the name of a birth control pill, all share the name, the most common usage of lunar is in reference to the Moon. Just wanted to give that viewpoint here and move my comment from '''neutral''' to '''Strong Support'''. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 23:06, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::(edit conflict) FWIW I don't think it hurts to include these things on the dab page, and we shouldn't blindly follow MOS guidelines where there's good reason not to. The basic argument above was that someone searching for "lunar" would perhaps be more intereted in subjects relating to the moon (though not the moon itself specifically), rather than a video game, or a song, or something else. [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 23:08, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, all.  For now I've restored my clean-up, and added [[user:Coastside]]'s revision to promote Moon as the primary topic. [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud|talk]]) 09:00, 17 February 2019 (UTC)