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* Java (island) → Java, '''move''', 16 June 2006, [[Special:Permalink/61259343#Requested move (2) June 16, 2006|Talk:Java (disambiguation)#Requested move (2) June 16, 2006]]
* Java → Java (island), '''no move''', 28 October 2006, [[Special:Permalink/85365334#Requested move|Talk:Java#Requested move]]
* Java → ?, '''not moved''', 19 January 2014, [[Special:Permalink/592464329#Requested Move 3|Talk:Java#Requested Move 3]]
* Java → Java (island), '''not moved''', 12 June 2018, [[Special:PermanentLink/845682595#Requested move 12 June 2018|Talk:Java#Requested move 12 June 2018]]
* Java → Java (island), '''not moved''', 16 June 2018, [[Special:PermanentLink/846947045#Requested move 16 June 2018|Talk:Java#Requested move 16 June 2018]]
* Java (programming language) → Java,<br/>Java → Java (island), '''not moved''', 16 May 2022, [[Special:PermanentLink/1089601601#Requested_move_16_May_2022|Talk:Java_(programming_language)#Requested_move_16_May_2022]]
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== Move discussion in progress ==

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== Move discussion in progress ==

There is a move discussion in progress on [[Talk:Java (programming language)#Requested move 16 May 2022|Talk:Java (programming language)]] which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. <!-- Talk:Java (programming language)#Requested move 16 May 2022 crosspost --> —[[User:RMCD bot|RMCD bot]] 00:01, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
:Closed as not moving. --[[User:Salix alba|Salix alba]] ([[User talk:Salix alba|talk]]): 22:15, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

==Move discussions - the best of==
Collecting all the memorable quotes from the past 6 RMs (by Juxlos):
:* "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=61259343#Requested_move_(2)_June_16,_2006 There's enough concession to geographically biased and challenged persons in this project already - the island came a long time earlier than the It term or the coffee.]"
:* "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=85365334#Requested_move Many Wikipedia ''editors'' are well-versed in computer technology and I expect that people who associate "Java" with the programming language are overrepresented here.]"
:* "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=592464329#Requested_Move_3 an island that is home to 120million people is the prime topic vs a computer language who's name is based on a nickname for coffee in turn also derived from the island.]"
:* "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Java_(programming_language)&diff=prev&oldid=1088326503 admins should ban further RMs of this specific set until either everyone is a Java programmer or the island sinks into the bottom of the ocean. Hard to tell which one will happen first.]"
:* "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Java_(programming_language)&diff=prev&oldid=1088429032 if hypothetically, the programming language was not called "Java", but "California", what would you suggest is the primary topic? The US State or the computer language?]" (maybe it will end up as [[Georgia]])
[[User:Bennylin|Bennylin]] ([[User talk:Bennylin|talk]]) 18:06, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
:Oh that's brilliant. We should make it sticky...never to be archived. For the benefit of geographically and historically illiterate Java programmers to read. 
:That last bullet is my quote - I think I went on to point out that if Java was a country, it would be 8th largest in the world by population and California would be 38th largest.—-[[User:Merbabu|Merbabu]] ([[User talk:Merbabu|talk]]) 01:14, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
::You made a valid point in that allegory, which made me want to comment on it, but alas, the discussion was over and couldn't be edited again. So this is my way on commenting on your remarks. :) [[User:Bennylin|Bennylin]] ([[User talk:Bennylin|talk]]) 11:20, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
:I accept that the pages were not moved and understand why, but starting the RMs seemed reasonable.  The island is primary with respect to long-term significance, but it is less clear that it is primary with respect to usage, especially amongst an English-speaking readership.  In such cases, [[WP:PTOPIC]] advises us to seek consensus, which we did. [[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 11:37, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
::This one is charming, too: {{tq|Java is Java, what else would it be. Are we going to rename [[apple]] as [[apple (fruit)]]?}}[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1088909345&oldid=1088858918&title=Talk:Java_(programming_language)] –[[User:Austronesier|Austronesier]] ([[User talk:Austronesier|talk]]) 16:12, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
:I'm completely whitebelt in regards on how talk page procedurals work, but i do know that [[Georgia (country)|Georgia]] has a "[[Georgia (U.S. state)|Georgia]] move in a nutshell" box, which shows the current concensus for why things are currently as it is. Perhaps we can put these quotes like that as well? [[User:Terrabalt|Terrabalt]] ([[User talk:Terrabalt|talk]]) 13:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC)