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==GA Sweep (pass)==
This article has been reviewed as part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force]]. I trimmed a couple of irrelevant links out, and the article contains a few dodgy reference links (including one dead one: click [http://tools.wikimedia.de/%7Edispenser/cgi-bin/webchecklinks.py?page=Green_Wing here] to check the links). However, I  believe it still meets GA criteria and should remain listed as a [[WP:GA|Good article]]. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, [[User:EyeSerene|<span style="color:RoyalBlue;">EyeSerene</span>]]''<sup><small>[[User talk:EyeSerene|<span style="color:OliveDrab;">TALK</span>]]</small></sup>'' 13:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

==[[Green Wing (series 1)]] for featured list==
For those interested, ''Green Wing'' series 1 is currently a nomination of featured list. If you wish to review the list, please do so. [[User:ISD|ISD]] ([[User talk:ISD|talk]]) 11:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

==DVD and Scripts==
Just wanted to mention that I removed the line  <blockquote>
''The second script book is to be released on [[28 September]] [[2007]], according to the [[Amazon.co.uk]].''
</blockquote> I've tried searching and can't find any info on the second book of scripts; also I can't find any info on the Wingin' It Convention dvd that was due to be released. If anyone has any further information, that'd be appreciated. :)[[User:Londonsista|<span style="color:#ff0066;">londonsista</span>]] | [[User talk:Londonsista|<sup style="color:#ff66cc;">Prod</sup>]] 10:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

==[[Green Wing (series 2)]] for featured list==
The second series of ''Green Wing'' was nominated for featured list status but failed, mainly because so few people commented on it. It has been put back up again so if anyone wants to comment on it, please do so. [[User:ISD|ISD]] ([[User talk:ISD|talk]]) 07:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

==Time Machine?==
"Unused storylines included Alan having an eighty-year-old wife and grandchildren as old as him" - unless (to quote Zaphod Beeblebrox) there was an accident with a contraceptive and a time machine, this storyline couldn't have happened. Possibly this is the reason the idea was dropped, but does someone with a copy of the DVD want to double-check the audio commentary?  [[User:Dom Kaos|~dom Kaos~]] ([[User talk:Dom Kaos|talk]]) 20:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:I remember hearing this on the commentary. I think its implied the grandchildren would be the product of his ancient wife's previous partner [[User:Tphi|Tphi]] ([[User talk:Tphi|talk]]) 15:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::In that case, shouldn't the article be changed to "...having an eighty-year-old wife and '''step'''-grandchildren as old as him"?  [[User:Dom Kaos|~dom Kaos~]] ([[User talk:Dom Kaos|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

==Character pages==
A few of them are, quite simply, a mess. To use just one example, [[Karen Ball|Karen Ball's]] page reads more like a fanzine article than an encyclopedia: the claim that she "likes rulers" is (aside from being utterly banal) presumably gleaned from nothing more than the seconds-long sequence (series 2, episode 5, about 34 minutes in) where Joanna Clore attempts an amnesty on stolen office supplies, Karen is caught with a ruler taped to each arm, and her response is "Sorry: I just like rulers" in a feeble attempt to justify the theft. There are plenty of other similar one-liners and throw-away remarks which are presented as facts about the characters who utter them.
<br>To be honest, I question whether some of the characters actually warrant individual pages: if they were trimmed of all the guff and fancruft, they would probably end up as a couple of paragraphs - which could easily be merged with this page. However, I'm aware that there are plenty of big big fans out there, so I'm proposing (for the moment) that people get down to the task of tightening up the character pages first, rather than doing what I'm tempted to do, which is to get out a big choppy chopper and go mad like a... oh I dunno, like a madman in a butcher's shop. Or something.  [[User:Dom Kaos|~dom Kaos~]] ([[User talk:Dom Kaos|talk]]) 16:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
:One year on and no response - I've tagged the offending articles as non-notable: I'm going to give it another two weeks and then propose their deletion  [[User:Dom Kaos|~dom Kaos~]] ([[User talk:Dom Kaos|talk]]) 14:23, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
::Well, nobody's put forward an argument for them to remain, so I've turned the pages for Naughty Rachel, Kim Alabaster and Karen Ball into redirects to this page  [[User:Dom Kaos|~dom Kaos~]] ([[User talk:Dom Kaos|talk]]) 16:48, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

==East Hampton Hospital Trust==
Hi all, the result of [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/East Hampton Hospital Trust]] was merge to this article.  Considering that this is a good article, I don't want to merge [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=East_Hampton_Hospital_Trust&oldid=332187545 the content] myself, seeing as I'm unfamiliar with the topic.  Just wanted to let you know about this so that any useful content can be merged.  Cheers, [[User:Arbitrarily0|<span style='color:black'><b><u><i><big>A</big>rbitrarily<big>0</big></i></u></b></span>]]&nbsp;<sup><b>([[User talk:Arbitrarily0|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#FF4500;">talk</span>]])</b></sup> 00:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

==Pretentious?==
Is it just me or do the terms "commedia dell'arte" and "lazzi", which both describe aspects of Italian theatre, not apply here?
It just sounds like somebody was trying too hard to drop some Italian theatre into any article they could. [[User:Tainted Deity|Tainted Deity]] ([[User talk:Tainted Deity|talk]]) 06:37, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed - removed  [[User:Dom Kaos|~dom Kaos~]] ([[User talk:Dom Kaos|talk]]) 07:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

=="Mac"==
Couple of points. Firstly, "Macartney" seems an unlikely spelling - I'm sure "MacCartney" (or "MacArtney") would be a more likely spelling / capitalisation: does anyone know if this is indeed the spelling used for Mac? And secondly, as I've noted in [[Talk:Mac_(Green_Wing)|the discussion page for his own article]], UK surgeons tend to have the title "Mr." rather than "Dr." - does anyone have a compelling reason for me not to change his title?  [[User:Dom Kaos|~dom Kaos~]] ([[User talk:Dom Kaos|talk]]) 16:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== Graffiti ==

How is it that a "Good Article" on a Mid-Important rating can have such blatant graffiti ("loltingz" just randomly inserted in a sentence) not only for 9 months, but with 28 non-bot edits being made without anyone noticing? [[User:Shealer|Shealer]] ([[User talk:Shealer|talk]]) 16:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

== Strange character descriptions ==

I'm surprised by the character descriptions as they stand and have changed a couple of them. Naughty Rachel loves sex, but was described as having a "perverted nature", surely a harsh value judgement for a character meant to be enjoying life to the utmost. "Sociopath" was the word given to describe Sue White! There is a remarkable lack of anything suggesting humor in the whole article, and there is a fair amount of editorializing, particularly on the character pages. I know it's been a few years now since the show was on, but it's running in the U.S. now on Hulu and is getting attention, so I may come back and try to improve it a bit if no one minds. There hasn't been any real attention given the article in some time. --[[User talk:TEHodson|TEHodson]] 20:51, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

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== Merging [[List of recurring Green Wing characters]] ==

There is nothing here worth merging to the main series article.  The very few elements which impact the series plot (which is pretty much just Mac's involvement with the returning Holly) are already covered there and everything else listed here is so inconsequential that mentioning it on the main series article would be completely inappropriate.  It should just be redirected.  Several of the characters listed here don't even actually appear - Markus Geissler is mentioned in literally two lines of dialogue in the whole series. -- [[User:ChrisTheDude|ChrisTheDude]] ([[User talk:ChrisTheDude|talk]]) 09:30, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
:Nobody has objected in over two months, so I have gone ahead and re-directed the recurring characters list -- [[User:ChrisTheDude|ChrisTheDude]] ([[User talk:ChrisTheDude|talk]]) 08:52, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

== Merge discussion for [[Green Wing series 1]] and [[Green Wing series 2|series 2]] ==

Currently, the two series of this program have their own articles. However, they are relatively short (nine and eight episodes, respectively), and the articles contain minimal context outside of the episode descriptions that isn't already covered in the main article. Therefore, I propose merging these two articles either to this article or to a new [[List of Green Wing episodes]] page. My personal preference is the former; [[MOS:TVSPLIT]] suggests 50 to 60 episodes as a rough cutoff for a standalone episode list, and [[WP:SIZESPLIT]] suggests any article under 6000 to 8000 words does not need to be split (the main article is currently around 4000 words and so would likely remain under the cutoff with the episode list incorporated, especially if the series summaries are subsequently trimmed).

As a note, series 1 is currently a [[WP:FL|featured list]]. This does not exclude it from merge discussions – just noting it here since a merge would lead to a procedural delisting. [[User:RunningTiger123|RunningTiger123]] ([[User talk:RunningTiger123|talk]]) 01:41, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''': I'm not wild about the idea. The Reception sections on the two series are quite lengthy, and incorporating all of the material into the main article would make it a bit unwieldy. I don't really see the purpose of merging the three pages; they're fine the way they are. [[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 02:43, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
*:A lot of the reception sections are copied in the main article; for instance, series 1 uses a long blockquote from [https://web.archive.org/web/20110517072601/http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/article698742.ece A. A. Gill's review] that matches the main article, as does series 2, which also copies a long quote from [http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4159/is_20060326/ai_n16173082 Cathy Pryor]. So the actual amount of new material that would be copied to the main article in a merge is smaller. [[User:RunningTiger123|RunningTiger123]] ([[User talk:RunningTiger123|talk]]) 03:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
*Notified [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television|WikiProject Television]] and [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comedy]] to get more feedback. [[User:RunningTiger123|RunningTiger123]] ([[User talk:RunningTiger123|talk]]) 02:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' both to [[Green Wing]], and in doing so, condense the "Series summaries" section with the "Synopsis" section (as both are saying the same thing ultimately) which would be for replacing the "Series summaries" section entirely with a new "Episodes" section to put the episode tables. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 17:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' merge to either target. No justification for keeping them separate. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 23:54, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': It seems this is trending towards a merge, and I want to neither initiate the merge right away as the editor who opened the conversation nor let this discussion linger for a long time. I'll give it another week or so, and if nothing else has come up by then, I'll proceed with a merge. [[User:RunningTiger123|RunningTiger123]] ([[User talk:RunningTiger123|talk]]) 01:35, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
*:I think the conversation has run its course and will begin the merge shortly. [[User:RunningTiger123|RunningTiger123]] ([[User talk:RunningTiger123|talk]]) 02:09, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

== Redirect without mention ==

[[Guyball]] redirects here, but is not mentioned. [[User:ZFT|ZFT]] ([[User talk:ZFT|talk]]) 05:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)