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{{Old AfD multi| date = 13 August 2010 (UTC) | result = '''merge to [[Global warming controversy]]''' | page = Global warming skepticism }}
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== Reversion to Separate Articles ==

Per the discussion in the merge discussion, I will work on the article and get it up to standard, since skepticism and denialism are not the same.  Please feel free to jump in and help.  <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#ffc">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span>  03:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:Can you add or ues this? Peter Wood writing in Academic Questions has said scepticism over AGW has become respectable since the Climategate controversy.  

Ref name="Peter Woods">{{cite journal|last=Woods|first=Peter|date=10 February 2010|journal=Academic Questions|publisher=Springer Science+Business Media,|volume=23|page=1|doi=DOI: 10.1007/s12129-009-9150-6|quote=The release onto the web by a hacker or whistleblower of emails and 15,000 lines of computer code from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia has changed the debate over global warming.|url=http://www.springerlink.com/content/j641v84113pm62m5/}}</ref>

== Resources ==

#{{cite journal|title=When to Doubt a Scientific ‘Consensus’|url=http://www.american.com/archive/2010/march/when-to-doubt-a-scientific-consensus|author=Jay Richards|work=Journal of American Enterprise Institute|date=March 16, 2010|accessdate=13 August 2010|quote=''(1) When different claims get bundled together, (2) When ad hominem attacks against dissenters predominate, (3) When scientists are pressured to toe the party line, (4) When publishing and peer review in the discipline is cliquish,  (5) When dissenting opinions are excluded from the relevant peer-reviewed literature not because of weak evidence or bad arguments but as part of a strategy to marginalize dissent,  (6) When the actual peer-reviewed literature is misrepresented,  (7) When consensus is declared hurriedly or before it even exists,  (8) When the subject matter seems, by its nature, to resist consensus,  (9) When “scientists say” or “science says” is a common locution,  (10) When it is being used to justify dramatic political or economic policies,  (11) When the “consensus” is maintained by an army of water-carrying journalists who defend it with uncritical and partisan zeal, and seem intent on helping certain scientists with their messaging rather than reporting on the field as objectively as possible,  (12) When we keep being told that there’s a scientific consensus''}}
#{{cite news |title=Climategate Shows There's No Global Warming Consensus|url=http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2010/03/23/inhofe-climategate-shows-theres-no-global-warming-consensus.html|work=U.S. News and World Report:Politics & Policy|author=James Inhofe|date=March 23, 2010|accessdate=13 August 2010|quote=''...there is no consensus—except agreement there are significant gaps in what scientists know about the climate system.''}}
#{{cite news |title=
Poll: most Britons doubt cause of climate change|url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/22/climatechange.carbonemissions|work=The Guardian|author=Juliette Jowit|date=June 22, 2008|accessdate=13 August 2010|quote=''The majority of the British public is still not convinced that climate change is caused by humans - and many others believe scientists are exaggerating the problem, according to an exclusive poll for The Observer.''}}
#{{cite news |title=Wikipropaganda On Global Warming|url=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/08/opinion/main4241293.shtml|author=Lawrence Solomon|work=CBS News|date=July 8, 2008|accessdate=13 August 2010|quote=''On global warming we get consensus, Gore-style: a consensus forged by censorship, intimidation, and deceit. ''}}
#{{cite journal|title=Global Warming: The Origin and Nature of the Alleged Scientific Consensus|url=http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html|author=Richard S. Lindzen|work=Regulation|volume=v.15, No. 2|date=Spring 1992|accessdate=13 August 2010|quote=''It is still of interest to ask what we would expect a doubling of carbon dioxide to do. A large number of calculations show that if this is all that happened, we might expect a warming of from .5 to 1.2 degrees centigrade. The general consensus is that such warming would present few, if any, problems. But even that prediction is subject to some uncertainty because of the complicated way the greenhouse effect operates. ''}}

Will continue to add resources.
<b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif">[[User:Minor4th|<b style="color:#000;font-size:110%">Minor</b>]][[User talk:Minor4th|<b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b>]]</span></b> 14:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

== Linked to Global warming controversy ==

[[Global warming controversy]] is the appropriate redirect.  It is inappropriate to equate skeptics to "deniers", a pejorative political term.  It's well established that the historic origin of "climate change denial" is by explicit analogy to [[Holocaust denial]]. See (forex) [[Climate_change_denial#Meanings_of_the_term]] --[[User:Tillman|Pete Tillman]] ([[User talk:Tillman|talk]]) 01:31, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

:[[Climate change denial]] very explicitly discusses "climate change skepticism", right within the lead. Why would that not be the appropriate target, since it is where this term is expressly discussed? &nbsp; &mdash; [[User:Mann_jess|<b>Jess</b>]]<span style="margin:0 7px;font-variant:small-caps;font-size:0.9em">&middot; [[Special:Contributions/Mann_jess|&Delta;]][[User_talk:Mann_jess|&hearts;]]</span> 19:47, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

::Yes, it does, but goes on to explain that they're not the same. And to call someone a '''climate change denier''' is ''definitely'' pejorative: see the para  there on the history of the term, with [[Ellen Goodman]] making the explicit analogy to [[Holocaust denial]]. So that's really not an acceptable redirect. [[Global warming controversy]] is a less fraught choice, and is also a better and more neutral article (imo).

::We used to have a [[Global warming skepticism]] page (ims), but it was merged into the controversy page some years back (assuming my recollection is accurate).

::Hope you find this a helpful (and persuasive) argument. Best regards, [[User:Tillman|Pete Tillman]] ([[User talk:Tillman|talk]]) 22:25, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
::::Wait a minute: because a journalist draws an analogy between this and a different form of [[denialism]], you want us to ignore published scholarly sources? Looks like concern trolling. . . [[User:Dave souza|dave souza]], [[User talk:Dave souza|talk]] 14:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

:::Huh? I never said anything about calling anyone a climate change denier. The fact that [[climate change denial]] discusses "climate change skepticism" in detail, and goes on to explain they aren't the same, is precisely why we should be linking there instead of an unrelated page that never mentions climate change skepticism at all. &nbsp; &mdash; [[User:Mann_jess|<b>Jess</b>]]<span style="margin:0 7px;font-variant:small-caps;font-size:0.9em">&middot; [[Special:Contributions/Mann_jess|&Delta;]][[User_talk:Mann_jess|&hearts;]]</span> 23:13, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
::::See [[Climate change denial#Terminology]], and note in particular that [[Spencer R. Weart]] and the [[National Center for Science Education]] have adopted this as the most explanatory term, with no derogatory intent. . . [[User:Dave souza|dave souza]], [[User talk:Dave souza|talk]] 14:32, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

== RfC on this redirect, and others ==

I posted an RfC on this redirect at: [[Talk:Climate change denial#Redirects to this page]]. Please feel free to provide your input. &nbsp; &mdash; [[User:Jess|<b>Jess</b>]]<span style="margin:0 7px;font-variant:small-caps;font-size:0.9em">· [[Special:Contributions/Jess|&Delta;]][[User_talk:Jess|&hearts;]]</span> 16:18, 10 October 2015 (UTC)