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== Move discussion in progress ==

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==Caption==

{{ping|Neveselbert}} Per [[MOS:CREDITS]]: "image credits in the infobox image are discouraged, '''even if the artist is notable'''" (emphasis added). [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 23:17, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

:This is a featured article, and the attribution was included when it was made such on [[Special:Permalink/453226708|October 1, 2011]]. "Discouraged" does not mean "disallowed", as you appear to interpret it. As long as the artist has a Wikipedia article, there is no inherent problem with noting authorship. &#8209;&#8209;[[User:Neveselbert|Neveselbert]] ([[User talk:Neveselbert|talk]]&nbsp;<b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/Neveselbert|contribs]]&nbsp;<b>·</b> [[Special:EmailUser/Neveselbert|email]]) 23:20, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

::"Discouraged" means "should not generally be done unless for a good reason", and "was included when this provision of the MOS did not yet exist" is not a good reason. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 23:37, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
:::It is good reason enough. Thomas Hudson was a renowned portraitist, and I see no good reason not to note his authorship. &#8209;&#8209;[[User:Neveselbert|Neveselbert]] ([[User talk:Neveselbert|talk]]&nbsp;<b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/Neveselbert|contribs]]&nbsp;<b>·</b> [[Special:EmailUser/Neveselbert|email]]) 23:52, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

::::As a featured article, this article is expected to follow the MOS, which indicates that "notable" is not sufficient reason for inclusion in cases like this. I see no good reason to disregard that. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 00:08, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::The caption appeared as it did when the article became an FA. Having the caption just read "Portrait, 1744" is just completely uninformative. Hudson had a particular style and it's absolutely worth acknowledging that. &#8209;&#8209;[[User:Neveselbert|Neveselbert]] ([[User talk:Neveselbert|talk]]&nbsp;<b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/Neveselbert|contribs]]&nbsp;<b>·</b> [[Special:EmailUser/Neveselbert|email]]) 00:15, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::Which, again, was before this guideline existed. Having a caption with a date allows you to locate it within the subject's lifespan, but if you object to it I'd be fine with omitting it entirely. Hudson's style is not the subject of the article (and not discussed in the article). [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 00:22, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::::No, I think the caption is absolutely fine as it is. Just because it was before the guideline existed does not mean it needs to be retroactively applied. &#8209;&#8209;[[User:Neveselbert|Neveselbert]] ([[User talk:Neveselbert|talk]]&nbsp;<b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/Neveselbert|contribs]]&nbsp;<b>·</b> [[Special:EmailUser/Neveselbert|email]]) 00:24, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::::As standards evolve, articles evolve along with them. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 00:32, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::Again, there's no prohibition. So long as the author has an article, it's completely fine to attribute. &#8209;&#8209;[[User:Neveselbert|Neveselbert]] ([[User talk:Neveselbert|talk]]&nbsp;<b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/Neveselbert|contribs]]&nbsp;<b>·</b> [[Special:EmailUser/Neveselbert|email]]) 00:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::"It's not prohibited" is not a reason to do something that's [[MOS:CREDITS|discouraged]]. Hudson's not the subject of this article and not key to understanding the subject; it's [[MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE|unnecessary]]. And because this is an FA, it's expected to [[WP:WIAFA|follow the style guidelines]]. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 00:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::Again, it's absolutely fine in context. If you want to hold a RFC on this, you can, but I completely disagree with your interpretation of the guideline. &#8209;&#8209;[[User:Neveselbert|Neveselbert]] ([[User talk:Neveselbert|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/Neveselbert|contribs]] <b>·</b> [[Special:EmailUser/Neveselbert|email]]) 00:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Answering [[WP:3O|3rd opinion request]]: It is relevant in this case to include the famous artist's name under the portrait, especially since it is his interpretation of the king's appearance, not a photo. I am not biased toward either user. Best wishes, --[[User:SergeWoodzing|SergeWoodzing]] ([[User talk:SergeWoodzing|talk]]) 08:38, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

== RfC of interest ==

<small>(non-automated message)</small> Greetings! I have opened an RfC on [[WT:ROYALTY]] that may be of interest to users following this article talk page! You are encouraged to contribute to this discussion [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility/Archive 11#RfC: How should articles on sovereigns of current European monarchies be (re)titled?|here]]! '''''[[User:AndrewPeterT|Hurricane]] [[User talk:AndrewPeterT|Andrew]] ([[Special:Contributions/AndrewPeterT|444]])''''' 20:00, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

== Duke of Cambridge ==

It would be interesting to know something about the political context in which George was granted that title, since it seems to imply a certain committment to the Hanoverian succession (which Queen Anne seems to have avoided at other moments). [[user:Oudeís|Oudeís]]<small>[[:de:Benutzer Diskussion:Oudeís|talk]] </small> 13:14, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

==Missing Coat of Arms==
Of all the significant dates in this man's life, you show his coats of arms for only the end of it: when he was Prince of Wales, and when he was King of Great Britain. And those two could well be predicted and thus wouldn't need to be looked up in an encyclopedia. For all of the arms he carried prior to becoming Prince of Wales (which are the ones we'd not know, and would seek to find here), you show none.[[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:6759:B000:E894:BFCC:705D:880|2600:1700:6759:B000:E894:BFCC:705D:880]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:6759:B000:E894:BFCC:705D:880|talk]]) 05:21, 21 June 2024 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson