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Is is the Changing Forget-me-not that has been widely introduced? [http://www.bioimages.org.uk/HTML/P166839.HTM]  I thought the Wood Forget-me-not was the usual garden species? [http://www.bioimages.org.uk/HTML/P166764.HTM] -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 09:57, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

:Having seen the Changing Forget-me-not today for the first time... the flowers are ''tiny'', it's definitely not the one widely used as a decorative plant so I doubt that it has been introduced elsewhere much -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 20:27, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

== Freemason reference seems unreliable ==

The reference to Freemasons seems rather out of place, and the web site which is referenced seems rather unreputable -- it is a member of a consipracy theory webring.

* Freemasonry Connection is corrected, updated and added as a seperate header. -- [[User:Baphin|Baphin]] [[User talk:Baphin|(talk)]] 18:32, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Here's an [http://www.bessel.org/forgnot.htm article] on the subject which seems fairly complete -- make sure you read the whole thing.--[[User:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] 22:02, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

* Here's several external links that give the official story of Freemasonry's use of the forget me not as a symbol.
[http://www.galenlodge.co.uk/forgetmenot.htm]
[http://www.mofreemason.com/34thmd/Forget%20Me%20Not.htm]
[http://web.mit.edu/afs/athena.mit.edu/user/d/r/dryfoo/www/Masonry/MBBFMN/notice.html]
[http://www.calmason.com/forget.htm]
[http://www.pglwilts.co.uk/page52.html]
The external link [http://www.bessel.org/forgnot.htm article] ''SarekOfVulcan'' cited above is the private rant of an ant-Masonic individual. [[User:Skull 'n' Femurs|Skull &#39;n&#39; Femurs]] 09:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

:The links you posted offer no historical proof, and are merely hearsay.  With no citation for the original article beginning "''As early as the year 1934, soon after Hitler's rise to power, it became apparent that Freemasonry was in danger. In the same year, the German Grand Lodge of the Sun in Bayreuth''", which is in fact what you seem to copied ''almost verbatim'' in both article, it can only be cited as opinion, not historical data.--[[User:Vidkun|Vidkun]] 16:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
:: No I copied it verbatum from the History of this article and added citations to back it up, ie I've acted as an Editor to  ''improve'' Wiki information. [[User:Skull 'n' Femurs|Skull &#39;n&#39; Femurs]] 16:35, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

:::I'm sure you added it from histories of this article.  That does not change the fact that the information is in fact almost directly copied from the sources your are citing.--[[User:Vidkun|Vidkun]] 16:37, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

::: Rubbish and tosh.[[User:Skull 'n' Femurs|Skull &#39;n&#39; Femurs]] 17:54, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

== Order... ==

not currently assigned? That is fascinating to me. Why is it not currently assigned? What was it assigned previously? [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] ([[User talk:Kingturtle|talk]]) 02:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

==Maybe a place to allow an exception to discouraging trivia?==
There's a botanical aspect to Forget-me-not, scientific information such as taxonomy, description, distribution, and whether endangered.

If it's a plant that has food or other practical uses, that's also encyclopedic.

However, I found myself looking at the tag on the "Forget-me-not in popular culture" section (Trivia|date=June 2008), and wondering if it isn't appropriate to make an exception. Many, perhaps most, readers' encounters with the plant will come from popular culture. If that's the case, then many will come to this page to learn more about the cultural associations. They will want to understand the connotation of the cultural reference -- and perhaps less what the plant is in an objective scientific sense. There's a historical continuity in the meaning of "Forget-me-not" that's quite unlike other article topics, where fans of (for discussion) a song, a TV show or a video game are eager to add a plug, but where there's no suggestion they are seeking or recognize a historical context to the range of other uses.

This article is where a list of cultural, historical associations could be relevant and central to the topic. If that is held to be the case, then a list of cultural observations would be simple to contribute to, while, as I consider it, a sustained text incorporating them all would be very challenging to contribute to or to write!

Thoughts?

[[User:Alpha Ralpha Boulevard|Alpha Ralpha Boulevard]] ([[User talk:Alpha Ralpha Boulevard|talk]]) 20:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

==Extermination ordered by Queen==
This statement appears to be some kind of vandalism. It was included in the Thoreau reference, but upon checking the reference, it is not there. The same text verbatim was also included additionally in the Description section. Not verifiable, thus deleted in both locations. [[User:Woodega|Woodega]] ([[User talk:Woodega|talk]]) 18:01, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Etymology of Forget-me-not ==

This flower's name probably originated as a near transliteration of a Western Semitic word ארגמן that describes the flower's color:
אַרגָמָן    magenta, crimson, purple, mauve, carmine

Compare
  aRGaMaN with
foRGetMeNot  and German
VeRGissMeinNicht

Of course, I do not know whether the German and English terms arose independently or not. Wikipedia thinks the English was calqued from the French, ne m'oubliez pas and first used in English in c. 1532, In Yiddish it is called Fargesnitl.

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