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== Other Fiction Not Listed ==

There should be a section with a reference to Juvenile Fiction, Young Adult Fiction and New Adult Fiction as most people may not realize they exist. The default, IMHO, for users is to come her for other variations of Fiction and with this missing info one may think there is nothing else. I have been researching what/how publishers are using to catalogue and found BISG and their BISAC Subject Heading List <ref>[https://bisg.org/page/BISACEdition Complete BISAC Subject Headings List]</ref>. There are only 3 Main fiction, Fiction, Juvenile Fiction and Young Adult Fiction. The New Adult fiction is a subsection of Fiction; Fiction/Romance/New Adult <ref>[https://bisg.org/page/Fiction BISAC Subject Headings List, Fiction]</ref>.

It is my belief based on their FAQ page that it's the industry standard that list all the main headings (genres) <ref>[https://bisg.org/page/BISACFaQ#Who%20uses%20the%20BISAC%20Subject%20Headings? Who uses the BISAC Subject Headings?]</ref>.<!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tekeek|Tekeek]] ([[User talk:Tekeek#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tekeek|contribs]]) 03:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)</span>

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== Recent lede changes ==

Whatever the cited sources say about associating fiction primarily with writing, it's reasonable to include screenplays and manuscripts for stage plays under the written ''fiction'' rubric. (No need to mention radio plays in the 21 century, eh?) The extent to which the term is applied to any subsequent performance is a whole 'nother question. --[[User:Kent Dominic|Kent Dominic·(talk)]] 17:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)<br>

P.S. I suppose the changes should be rendered as "[[manuscript]]s for [[Play (theatre)|stage play]]s and for non-[[documentary]] movies" if someone wants to make matters abundantly clear. --[[User:Kent Dominic|Kent Dominic·(talk)]] 18:08, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== Lead section ==

The lead section currently says that fiction is creative work {{tq|portraying individuals, events, or places in ways that are imaginary}}. However, the truth is that fiction is creative work {{tq|portraying individuals, events, or places *that are* imaginary, or in ways that are imaginary}}. No? (And, I'd argue, mostly the former. Clark Kent is an individual who ''is'' imaginary. Hogwarts ''is'' imaginary. The events in the film ''Get Out'' ''are'' imaginary. Etc.) [[User:Wolfdog|Wolfdog]] ([[User talk:Wolfdog|talk]]) 22:46, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

:Webster defines fiction as "an invented story."  Fiction is often about real characters, settings, and situations, but told differently from actual history and need not be about imaginary individuals, events, or places.  The lead currently indicates that fiction portrays individuals, events, or places ''in ways'' that are imaginary or inconsistent with history, fact, or plausibility.  This is the correct meaning of the term and is consistent with the three cited sources.—[[User:Anita5192|Anita5192]] ([[User talk:Anita5192|talk]]) 00:17, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

::As I've already stated above, fiction most commonly indeed ''is'' about imaginary characters, settings, and situations. It ''also'' may be about real ones but portrayed ''in ways'' that are imaginary, as you say. I don't see why both descriptions (like the proposed wording I offered above) are mutually exclusive. And it's certainly not clear what you mean by {{tq|correct meaning of the term}}, as word meanings are constantly shifting. ''Sourced'' is what's important. In terms of your concerns about being {{tq|consistent with the three sources}}, the Lexico source actually even includes my meaning of {{Tq|imaginary events and people}} rather than your "events and people with imaginary portrayals". The Sageng et al. source defines a work of fiction (a bit circularly) as {{tq|one in which the characters, places, events, objects and actions referred to are fictional}}. Again -- ''not'' the portrayal of objects, as you say, but the objects themselves. So those two support my original edit you reverted. The third source I have no access to. I request you to review my proposed wording above. Other voices welcome too! [[User:Wolfdog|Wolfdog]] ([[User talk:Wolfdog|talk]]) 01:51, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
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