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== Move title 'Fedora' to 'Fedora Linux' ==

I see no reason to keep [[Fedora (hat)]] primary of this, as statistics show that Fedora Linux is searched and read much more. Most people probably mean [[Fedora Linux]] operating system when they say "Fedora", not a hat. [[Fedora (hat)]] is just one of many hat types. --[[User:Heikkikoskinen|Heikkikoskinen]] ([[User talk:Heikkikoskinen|talk]]) 01:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
:{{re|Heikkikoskinen}} If you want to start a formal move request, please follow the instructions at [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]]. That said, before you do: There's a long history of Wikipedians overestimating the primary-topic-ness of tech brands and terms versus the things they're named after. I've seen it come up with [[Android]], [[Bug]], and [[Amazon]]. There's not a lot of cases where we've decided that a brand is the primary topic over the thing it's named after, and you'd need to provide strong evidence that this is one. From what I can see, only [https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Fedora about 15%] of people viewing this article then click the link to [[Fedora Linux]], a lower percentage than click on to [[Homburg hat]]. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup>[''[[User talk:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">cetacean needed</span>]]'']</sup> (she/they)</span> 01:38, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

== Requested move 21 January 2022 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''not moved.''' Early close per [[WP:SNOW]]: there is already an overwhelming consensus not to move. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:Lennart97|Lennart97]] ([[User talk:Lennart97|talk]]) 11:50, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
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[[:Fedora]] → {{no redirect|Fedora (hat)}} – Reduce confusion and enter a more descriptive name for article.&nbsp;[[User:Heikkikoskinen|Heikkikoskinen]] ([[User talk:Heikkikoskinen|talk]]) 00:13, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
:<small>This is a contested technical request ([[Special:Permalink/1066966432|permalink]]). '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]])  09:30, 21 January 2022 (UTC)</small>
*:The current title is [[Talk:Fedora/Archive 1#moving this back|the result of a previous (albeit old) consensus]], but more importantly I don't think the proposal is uncontroversial because there's a strong argument that the hat {{endash}} a level-5 vital article {{endash}} is in fact the [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC|primary topic]]. [[User:Extraordinary Writ|Extraordinary Writ]] ([[User talk:Extraordinary Writ|talk]]) 00:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
*:: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fedora#Move_title_'Fedora'_to_'Fedora_Linux' --[[User:Heikkikoskinen|Heikkikoskinen]] ([[User talk:Heikkikoskinen|talk]]) 01:27, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
*{{Ping|Heikkikoskinen|Extraordinary Writ}}. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]])  09:30, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I prefer that the hat remain the [[Wikipedia:PRIMARYUSAGE|primary topic]] on grounds of ''long-term significance''. This RM basically is another one of those ''long-term significance'' vs. ''usage'' debates. But the hat is still a current [[Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Everyday life|level-5 vital article]], and the fact that the operating system was named after the hat (just like [[Apple Inc.]] was named after [[Apple]]). [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] ([[User talk:Zzyzx11|talk]]) 11:14, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', I think the hat is primary.--[[User:Ortizesp|Ortizesp]] ([[User talk:Ortizesp|talk]]) 14:54, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' clearly the hat is the [[wp:pt]]—[[user:blindlynx|blindlynx]] 15:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
::[[WP:NWFCTM]] is worth mentioning here too—[[user:blindlynx|blindlynx]] 15:48, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per above. [[User:162 etc.|162 etc.]] ([[User talk:162 etc.|talk]]) 17:24, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' [[Fedora (disambiguation)]] [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 18:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' Obvious primary topic by historical significance.<sub><small>[[User:Zxcvbnm|ZXCVBNM]] ([[User Talk:Zxcvbnm|TALK]])</small></sub> 23:47, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per my comment in the section above. The clickstream clearly shows that most people who come to this page find what they're looking for. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup>[''[[User talk:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">cetacean needed</span>]]'']</sup> (she/they)</span> 01:13, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' basically what others have said.  <span style="color:green;">[[User:JDDJS|<span style="color:green;">JDDJS</span>]] ([[User talk:JDDJS|<span style="color:purple;">talk to me</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/JDDJS|<span style="color:purple;">see what I've done</span>]])</span> 03:21, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
*'''Snowclose''', the hat is obviously primary. '''[[User:Old Naval Rooftops|<span style="color:#002244">O.N.R.</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Old Naval Rooftops|<span style="color:#002244">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 05:10, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per all the above. Hats off! '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 09:55, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The hat has long-term significance. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 17:30, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – Even though I'm a techie, I acknowledge the long-term significance of the hat. [[User:Favonian|Favonian]] ([[User talk:Favonian|talk]]) 19:20, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
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== Fedoras are commonly associated with neckbeards in online culture ==

It should be fairly easy to find sources for this too. In fact I think the vice article linked does talk about neckbeards. Wikipedia should stay relevant to contemporary internet culture, where there's a stereotype associated with people who wear such hats.--[[User:Phil of rel|Phil of rel]] ([[User talk:Phil of rel|talk]]) 21:38, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
EDIT: it looks like someone removed the vice article from this article. This is the article I'm talking about [https://www.vice.com/en/article/8gevn4/i-bought-a-fedora-to-see-if-it-would-ruin-my-life]--[[User:Phil of rel|Phil of rel]] ([[User talk:Phil of rel|talk]]) 21:41, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

== Whoopee Caps ==

I feel like mentioning how fedoras were commonly used to create [[Whoopee cap|Whoopee Caps]] in the 20s-40s would be a good addition to the history and or American culture sections of the article. [[User:Submackeen|Submackeen]] ([[User talk:Submackeen|talk]]) 20:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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